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Why the light of Donbass illuminates not what you need?

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The material that I want to cover, my Donetsk friends indicated to me. They sent it just like that, without comments.


It is a pity, of course, that the hypothetical light of Donbass, the last rays of the unborn Novorossia, illuminate the utter stupidity of our inhabitants. And the usual desire for the average person to shout louder: maybe they will hear!

With frank stupidity must be fought. Otherwise, they will keep us by the barbarians. And, to be honest, we often help our “partners” with this.

Why the light of Donbass illuminates not what you need?


That's Motorola removed. But it does not help

Here, in fact, is one of the “soul screams” sent to me. One is enough to make a conclusion about the porridge that is present in the heads of our writers. And since there are a lot of people writing in this style, it means that there is a problem.

Especially when it seems to be an adult. But about the portrait a little later.

Let's start in the text.

“That's Motorola removed - blew up in the elevator. Today.
They kill, remove dangerous for Kiev, and for Moscow the people promoted by the people's war, the real leaders. Like Brainstorming. How are the leaders of the militia being destroyed now in Lugansk? The same Tsyplakova. He was tortured before his death, then hanged. Not pravoseki, but like "their". Still Givi stayed. But the trend is evident. ”


As they say, "everything is mixed up in the Oblonskys' house". All in one pile, just to make it look good.

Yes, Brainstorm - here you can not argue. Indeed the leader is indeed the people’s.

"Tsyplakov" - a moot point. First, not Tsyplakov, but Tsypkalov, and secondly, he was still a crook. Faced foreheads who remember history about the water treatment plant, he remembers. It was a fun little business.

Combat Pavlov - as if the level is clearly lower than the brigade commander or deputy chairman of the government of the LC. Apparently, for the importance of the company picked up.

But I will sort out all three "by the bones". As far as they were really dangerous for Kiev and Moscow.

Tsykkalov. Of all three - the safest. There was no threat to Kiev, and even more so to Moscow. Just because he did not know how. A companion of Valera Bolotov, knew how that he could: collect and share. Well, and steal. Where is the national security threat, kill, I do not know. The fact that it then took off to heights from which it is always unpleasant to fall is that fact. Actually, the matter ended.

Pavlov / Motorola. Did he pose a threat to Kiev? Of course, represented. Like any sensible commander, who knows how to command and kill. For Moscow? Do not make me laugh.

Cerebral. This yes represented. For whom more is difficult to say, but I repeat, as I thought earlier, that for Kiev. Although, if desired, when the "Ghost" was a full-fledged brigade, Mozgovoy could completely mess up the rustling. But still, that Moscow, and who Brainstorming. The final would be about the same, only the participants are different.

“The Donbass rebels turned out to be dangerous not so much for Kiev as for Moscow. I don’t share citizens of the Russian Federation and Ukraine here - people's commanders have long been above these formalities. ”

Nonsense always speak easy. Efforts less. How many conversations I had on this topic are difficult to count. And when it came to the most terrible question “What is ... dangerous for Moscow?” My interlocutors began to wrinkle their forehead and openly bleat. "Well, you must understand ..." and the like.

I have never been able to get an explanatory explanation from anyone. Never.

Speaking of Motorola: he threatened the homeland? Well, or the state? The fact that he was sitting in the DPR and the Ukrainian fighters taught the mind? Oh, yes, how one gave me: "He could go back and go into politics!"

I was so laughing, I thought my jaw was dislocated. Motorola. In politics. With his looks and swears. Hmmm ... To get into Russian politics, I need a little more than a positive PR and non-standard image. Girkin won, and what? That's it ...

“Zhenka Shabaevu called. That is sure - clean national leaders by order of "curators". They really want to quickly push LDNR "in Ukraine", but then Kiev cleverly behaves. It requires a lot of money, in fact - indemnities, to restore destruction. Ukraine itself has no means. We were told that the Kremlin is holding Ukraine for a sensitive place with the help of LDNR. And now, it turns out, the opposite is true. ”

It's great, after all, that there are “curators” on whom everything can be blamed. Or almost everything. I wonder what they would say and do such gentlemen, if there was no one to blame? Probably would have come up with something.

Well, it's great that there is Zhenya Shabayev, who can instantly and confidently put everything in its place.

One sad. Neither the author of the material, nor Zhenka Shabayev, comes to mind that in order to shove the LDNR back to Ukraine, it is not necessary to kill Motorola. And Ukraine does not need to give money. Everything can be cheaply bungled.

Stop giving money and everything else to those who are in power in LDNR. And believe, rush back under the bravura marches under the blue-yellow flags.

Although in this case, yes, Motorola and others like him better to remove. For they can and on the backs of running from a machine to slash.

Long tried to understand who is Zhenka Shabaev. I understood one thing: you can envy posts with him. He is both the “official representative of the DPR”, and “the official representative of the OD“ Donetsk Republic ”, and the co-chairman of the“ Anti-Fascist anti-Maid Council ”.

In short, not working and not going. Apparently, Solovyov pays well for the work of “speaking head”.

“Moscow cannot open the LDNR. Enter the Russian troops to disarm the militia and transfer LDNR Kiev? Moscow cannot do this either, it is a loss of face. Pay a contribution? It is also impossible, it is a shame on the whole world and a recognition of its defeat. And wait until the forces of the ATO, taking advantage of the internal decomposition of the LDNR, will begin an onslaught - and thousands of people with weapons, the remnants of the militia, will begin to retreat into the territory of the Russian Federation? And this prospect of Moscow, bogged down in a meaningless Syrian adventure, also scares. "

So I see these thousands of people with weapons crawling across our territory ... Pissed off at everything and everyone. If I had not been aware of the changes on our border, I would probably have believed in the possibility of this. And so - alas ...

The rest of the comment makes no sense at all.

“Trap, gentlemen, trap. The only way out is to break the Minsk agreements and include the Donetsk ridge in the Russian Federation. For the sake of leaving the Syria. Yes, there will be new sanctions, yes, you have to spend money. But nothing - save on the Syrian war, the financing of a cash-free Assad regime and the restoration of Syria. For in the Donbass-Russian, and they are a hundred times closer to us Arabs. But, having turned on LDNR in the Russian Federation, you will avoid the onset of the anti-terrorist operation forces on the Donbass. Ukraine will not dare to open clash with the Russian Federation. Yes, and a partial sin, gentlemen chiefs, will be removed from the soul. "

Well, everything in place and it became. Here, willy-nilly, you will rejoice that such theoreticians are not allowed into the power yet. But laughter also parses.

Having arranged open aggression in Ukraine, let's avoid the onset of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Donbass. I agree. The only question is how and who will have to deal with later. Whatever one may say, but Ukraine is still a recognized sovereign state. And LDNR - no.

Of course, Mr. Kalashnikov deeply does not care about the opinion of the world community. The only thing worth reminding is that Russia is not the United States. And aggression against another country is unlikely to get away with us. Although it is possible and come down, but I personally would not want to check.

As for the cashless regime of Assad is also a question. One might think that the regimes of Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky are bathed in money. Maybe they are swimming, but also in ours. But let me remind you that in Syria we are officially, at the invitation of the legitimate government and the president. What about the territories of Ukraine (in the eyes of the world community) so to speak it is impossible.

To tear the Minsk agreements ... Again, it is worth recalling that we are not involved in the Minsk agreements. And we will tear them, or not, the wording of the deed will not change. Aggression. With all that it implies.

Who needs it? Find out at the end.

“But if you don’t do this, you will not be able to get out of the trap. Just throw the LDNR to Kiev - so he will work on the Crimea later. Subversive and terrorist.

You yourself profuked the February-March 2014 chance of the year, when half of Ukraine could be taken without a single shot, relying on legitimate Yanukovich and getting under your banner a part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Now you have to pay for cowardice and stupidity. No murders of people's commanders will solve the problem. "


Sorry, but these half of Ukraine, they are for us how? And where? And what shishi? We would cope with the Crimea, the deeper I get into the Crimean affairs, the more my head goes around. And today I can say with confidence that if we extend the Crimea, we can and should think about Donbass. But not earlier. And there is still so much fuss with the Crimea that the construction of a bridge is a candy on a stick in comparison with a cake.

And with the fact that the killing of people's commanders will not help us, I fully agree with that. So they do not interfere with us (Russia). They interfere there. Whether elected, or appointees.

It is silly and not quite beautiful this publication on the background of the murder. PR on the blood can not be called, but ...

Perhaps it is time to say a few words about the author of the opus I condemn.

Maxim Kalashnikov (his real name is Vladimir Kucherenko) is a journalist, a futurist writer and a publicist. Secretary of the Central Council of the Motherland Party: Common Sense. Member of the Federal Council "Party Affairs".

One of the founders of the “25 Committee of January” is an association of imperial nationalists, which also included Igor Girkin, Yegor Prosvirnin (editor-in-chief of the Sputnik and Pogrom ultra-right website), Konstantin Krylov (founder of the National Democratic Party), Eduard Limonov, Anatoly Nesmiyan (“ El Murid ”).

Warm company, no doubt.

Nothing new, actually, and surprising. Public known and proven. Although, I confess honestly, the books of Kalashnikov read some. It's funny he has everything there. But an amateur. You have to be absolutely impotent imperial in order to penetrate. Although the love of Kalashnikov to the USSR I share.

Therefore, I have only one question. Want to preach your views - no one yet prohibits.

But what did Motorola do to you, what are you trying to do on his blood?

It's disgusting, gentlemen.
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  1. vkl.47
    vkl.47 18 October 2016 13: 11
    +11
    what kind of nonsense. Again Moscow is being nagged. None of them represented threats to Moscow. It's just nonsense. Nothing prevents banging a yarish and other ghouls. But no one does. All the commanders of the National battalions. Addresses and surnames are. And this is not a secret .the next bang "Givi". Moreover, also explode
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 18 October 2016 16: 11
      +12
      I have a feeling that in general the whole article is nonsense ... I don’t understand why ....
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 18 October 2016 16: 18
      +5
      I will add here a link to I.I. Strelkov (Girkin) criticized in an article by Roman Skomorokhov, so that everyone can appreciate, and WHAT I. Strelkov himself said about the murder of Arseny Pavlov (Motorola).
      Briefly, from what I. Strelkov said: the assassination of A. Pavlov was organized by agents of the Kiev regime who had long been embedded in the power structures of the DPR. Everyone resigned themselves to the fact that the LDNR should remain a part of Ukraine, and that is why they purposefully and constantly "remove" the brightest and most capable leaders of the resistance of Novorossiya.

      Details in the conversation I. Strelkova on video.
      https: //ok.ru/srochnayanovost/topic/65870255770498
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 18 October 2016 17: 11
        +1
        I will add here a link to I.I. Strelkova (Girkina)

        and why didn’t they take it away, not dangerous for M. and K.?
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 18 October 2016 18: 12
          +3
          They would have removed it if it had not left DPR, and Strelkov (Girkin) knows this, and therefore left. FSB Schnick, has experience.
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 October 2016 13: 20
    +10
    Otherwise, they will keep us for the barbarians.
    We were not held for barbarians when the EBN sucked Clinton. I'd rather be a barbarian.
    Stop giving money and everything else to those who are in power in LDNR. And believe, rush back under the bravura marches under the blue-yellow flags.

    Although in this case, yes, Motorola and others like him better to remove. For they can and on the backs of running from a machine to slash.

    I won’t even say anything, and so everything is clear from the article
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 18 October 2016 15: 54
      +1
      I have said more than once that with such leadership, LDNR has no future.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 18 October 2016 13: 27
    +14
    One of the founders of the “25 Committee of January” is an association of imperial nationalists, which also included Igor Girkin, Yegor Prosvirnin (editor-in-chief of the Sputnik and Pogrom ultra-right website), Konstantin Krylov (founder of the National Democratic Party), Eduard Limonov, Anatoly Nesmiyan (“ El Murid ”).


    I was struck by the death of MOTOROLLS ... very bad at heart.
    As for the above-mentioned gentlemen, sometimes it seems to me that they live in a virtual space ... in some kind of parallel world where everything moves according to their concepts.

    I have to disappoint ... it’s very easy to get into the war by swinging a saber under various pretexts, but it’s very difficult to end it.
    We’ll have to bury a lot of dead people, treat the wounded, save souls crippled by the war, rebuild the destroyed cities and villages ... this is the flip side of the war’s medal, and for some reason those who call for the start of hostilities do not say so.

    War must be avoided until the last opportunity, however difficult it may be.
    Motorola is sorry for the tears ... but here the guilt of the counterintelligence of the LDNR, in general the LDNR special services.

    I believe that after every commander killed in this way, the LDNR should suddenly die which famous Bandera is a scumbag or a radical politician in UKRAINE ... no matter how ... drown, choked on sweets or exploded in a car ...

    The main thing is that this is a regularity.
    For the death of MOTOROLLS, some JAROSH or PARUBY must pay with his life.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 18 October 2016 21: 28
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      after each commander killed in this way, the LDNR should suddenly die which famous Bandera is a scumbag or a radical politician in UKRAINE

      SHOULD..
      But so far no one has died. And this time, I suspect no one will die either.
      Of all the representatives of the leadership, ours and the LDNR, over the past two years, only one person reacted most clearly and specifically in difficult situations - Ramzan Kadyrov. And he, I suppose, would have taken on the role of a “punishing sword” with “pleasure” .. however, it’s not enough for the authorities to give such a command - “deep concerns” have become our hallmark.
      Or is Ukraine no longer the zone of vital interests of Russia?
  4. Engineer
    Engineer 18 October 2016 13: 31
    +8
    Of course, I respect the point of view of Roman on this murder, but five articles a day on the same topic, filed completely one-sided and categorically, like brute force. Moreover, you can’t blame anyone without evidence, and you’re neither a prosecutor nor an investigator, lord good.
  5. EDDI 76
    EDDI 76 18 October 2016 13: 34
    +1
    you can throw kakahi at me, but as one man from the Motorola militia told me, he was far from a saint, the same unflattering reviews about Givi (
    although Motorola is still sorry
    1. the lord
      the lord 19 October 2016 01: 46
      +1
      You, my dear, when you write such words, even if they cited examples for decency, in which he was not a saint ... And then he said a phrase, but there is really nothing to argue - Arseny really was not a saint, he did not observe the commandment "Thou shalt not kill", he didn’t put the other cheek under the blow. He was a warrior, he was a hero, he was a commander, a husband, a father. And it was all our way.
      It is not good for a decent person to write about him even such words in such a form.
  6. kolobok63
    kolobok63 18 October 2016 13: 36
    +8
    The article is provocative! The author himself most likely cannot figure out this opus! Question: what kind of audience is this all for? Anti-Russian, frankly, the article! hi
  7. urapatriot
    urapatriot 18 October 2016 13: 39
    +16
    The article is an excellent example of propaganda creativity. Such articles are riveted like a blueprint: several demagogic cliches - "Ukraine is a sovereign state", "we will not get away with aggression", "the world community"; plus instead of serious argumentation, an attempt to make fun of everything - "Don't laugh", "I laughed so hard", "It's always easy to say nonsense." Mandatory transition to personalities: "warm company", "rabid imperials". And for dessert: the moral and ethical assessment of the opinion that does not coincide with the official propaganda - "This is disgusting, gentlemen." But for me, it's so disgusting - to rivet such articles ...
  8. pts-m
    pts-m 18 October 2016 13: 43
    0
    It can be assumed that the “wiping of the feet” continues on our Russia. Although his own, though a stranger, is attracted to everyone with “poetry”.
  9. Belarus
    Belarus 18 October 2016 13: 47
    +4
    I believe that after every commander killed in this way, the LDNR should suddenly die which famous Bandera is a scumbag or a radical politician in UKRAINE ... no matter how ... drown, choked on sweets or exploded in a car ...

    The main thing is that this is a regularity.
    For the death of MOTOROLLS, some JAROSH or PARUBY must pay with his life.



    I agree with you on this.
    Here the author writes that Motorola did not interfere with anyone and did not threaten, but it turns out that he interfered and threatened. As for the special services of the LDNR, I am tormented by vague doubts in the context of the killings of militia leaders (Dremov, Brain, Motorola) in their effectiveness. in Kiev, the Maidan leadership made various kinds of threatening statements, then no one attached any importance to this at all. They thought apparently: but something there is crazy.
    And yes, as for the elimination of the Bandera rabble, it is strange why so far no one of them has sent greetings to their great-great-great-great ancestors.
    When I read about the death of Motorola, I was simply in a stupor and my heart was rotten to such an extent that I wanted to howl from anger and scream.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 October 2016 14: 05
      +5
      Quote: Belarus
      When I read about the death of Motorola, I was simply in a stupor and my heart was rotten to such an extent that I wanted to howl from anger and scream.

      the gradual assassinations of important commanders in the LDNR, gradually taught them to think that the next one would come ... therefore, no stupor, no anger ... Arseny is a pity, he was a very, good soldier, but a "confusion" has long been settled in his soul - what is going on in the LDNR ? what the most interesting thing is that no one will give an answer to this question, all have only versions ...
      1. RRR
        RRR 18 October 2016 19: 45
        +2
        Andrey Yuryevich, Well, if the simplest and most logical option is to transfer power, as always in a civil war. There is such a pseudoscience - history. Here she is, you bastard, says this.
        First, many leaders of different directions appear. Then begins between them clarifying whose voice is louder and whose X is thicker. Something like this. For the notorious 20 centuries of civilization, nothing has changed.
  10. Deniosf
    Deniosf 18 October 2016 14: 21
    0
    Rave. What does Moscow have to do with it?
  11. aleks700
    aleks700 18 October 2016 14: 40
    +2
    Tear the Minsk agreements ... Again, it is worth recalling that we are not persons in the Minsk agreements
    It seems that only Russia believes that it is not a party to the conflict.
  12. BLOND
    BLOND 18 October 2016 14: 49
    +8
    Roman Skomorokhov, Donbass will not be under ukraine
    And we started without people like you, and thank God it’s not for you to decide what will happen next

    Yesterday I talked with a girl from Donbass (a kid in the second grade, received Russian citizenship - a refugee, they huddle in the corners they don’t give a mortgage percentage screwed up + prepayment)
    About Motorola said they killed ... You know what she answered?
    "Our tears will flow to the dill, oh how they will flow! God he sees everything!"
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  14. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 18 October 2016 15: 31
    0
    In this situation, we only have guesses and assumptions. As such, no one knows the essence, everyone believes that his truth is the most truthful. As a result, we have, once a swan, cancer and pike ... that is to say the least. The only thing I agree with is that we are not saints, everyone has their own skeleton in the closet.
  15. Retvizan
    Retvizan 18 October 2016 15: 48
    +4
    It was interesting to read, it seems like a voice in the desert ... the moment was missed in 2014, and now the options are bad and even worse.
    The IED in the elevator is a continuation of the "ubiquitous Ukrainian DRG". It's a pity these "DRGs" are not found on Bankova Street, and in the Kremlin (they were only close).
    In general, in Ukraine, the news sounded commonplace, just a list. The Donbass theme is "endless war" with ultimate goals.
    1. libivs
      libivs 18 October 2016 16: 09
      +6
      Perhaps so ... We also feel moral and psychological fatigue and a complete lack of positive prospects and emotions. Who is next? "an endless war with ultimate goals, the end of which is not foreseen." And believe me, it's very sad and disgusting at heart when relatives from Lugansk directly say that YOU betrayed us and sold us to Akhmetov and co, but there is essentially nothing to answer ...
      1. Retvizan
        Retvizan 18 October 2016 21: 50
        +1
        Quote: libivs
        And believe me, it’s very sad and insulting when relatives from Lugansk directly say that YOU betrayed us and sold us to Akhmetov and Co., and there’s essentially nothing to answer ...

        Yes, Luhansk and Donetsk residents the worst thing is to be between two fires.
        We are still sitting far from them, we are reasoning, and they ...
        Damned money .. the world of capitalism ..
        If we are tired - they should have apathy already. In this situation, man is no longer up to the struggle and ideals (for what and why)
        some endless 2 years
  16. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 18 October 2016 16: 35
    +3
    The article is of course "muddy" -stamp !!! But the most important question remains open - what are the DPR and LPR, because even we did not officially recognize them !! -what's next ???
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 18 October 2016 21: 52
      +1
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      what is the DNI and LC, because even we have not officially recognized them

      respected choice. And then darkness. If officially it is Ukraine, but unofficially it is a bayonet .... in the fate of people.
  17. larand
    larand 18 October 2016 17: 10
    +7
    the author, however, is too self-confident and categorical in giving out assessments. As if he alone knows the truth, and the rest are "boys, pants with straps."
  18. parafoiler
    parafoiler 18 October 2016 17: 24
    +2
    Rest in Peace, Russian Soldier Arseny Pavlov -Motorola. Earth You rest in peace.
  19. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 18 October 2016 17: 39
    +1
    Quote: tolmachiev51
    But the most important question remains open - what is the DNI and LC, because even we have not officially recognized them !! -what's next ???
    Dear, When we say that Poroshenko and his clique took power in Kiev illegally - are we right? Maybe yes. Then why do not we want to see that a copy of the Kiev events occurred on the territory of LDNR (we will not discuss motives, only about the essence and methods). So what is LDNR and how do you recognize them against this background ???
    1. Thompson
      Thompson 18 October 2016 18: 09
      +4
      How famously twisted the plot. That is, you offer to fight with them politically, verbally, ideologically ???
      Try to stop the criminal threatening you with these methods and I will agree with you ...
      Maybe.
      Or the events of 14 years taught you nothing and did not open your eyes to anything?
      Can we send you with a mission or messiah to Syria to the Islamists? They will quickly find use for your head.
      I especially liked it- (let's not talk about motives, only about the essence and methods!)
      These are the same criminals, from your point of view, is any defender !!!
  20. CKORPII
    CKORPII 18 October 2016 18: 54
    +2
    another nonsense
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 18 October 2016 19: 25
    0
    Quote: Thompson
    These are the same criminals, from your point of view, is any defender !!!
    My dear, you either do not know how to read, or think shallowly. What does Syria have to do with it? And the essence of the phenomenon is an attempt at a coup d'etat or, more softly, an armed rebellion (the law does not take into account the motives of a single state). you can choose other formulations, it will not become easier and will not change the essence. So how do you recognize? By double standards or yours?
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 18 October 2016 21: 18
      +2
      Quote: avg-mgn
      So how do you recognize? By double standards or yours?

      They dug a hole for themselves, my dear. Kiev Russia recognized? I admitted. So why not recognize the DPR-LPR's right to independence? If we are talking about abandoning "double standards" ..
    2. Thompson
      Thompson 19 October 2016 21: 00
      0
      Dear, do you always want to embrace the immense?
      When you speak of recognition, speak only of it.
      And when you talk about, I quote you- Maybe yes. Then why do not we want to see that a copy of the Kiev events occurred on the territory of LDNR (we will not discuss motives, only about the essence and methods).
      That is somewhat different. The only thing I can say is that they should not be recognized, but expanded to the entire territory of Ukraine!
  22. avia1991
    avia1991 18 October 2016 21: 12
    +2
    Having organized open aggression in Ukraine, we will avoid the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass.
    What kind of "open aggression", it is interesting to know, the author is talking about here? After all, if I'm not mistaken, this is about what is needed
    include Donetsk ridge in the Russian Federation.
    , right?
    And the rest of the author's sarcasm smacks of something ... rotten stuff, in general. You, Mr. Skomorokhov, "of all trades" - this has long been known. But it would be interesting to know from whose submission you suddenly took up the problems of the Crimea - more precisely, in what capacity did you deal with them, if you make the following conclusion:
    the deeper I get into Crimean affairs, the more my head goes around. And today I can say with confidence that if we extend the Crimea, then we can and should think about the Donbass. But not earlier.
    Are you an economist by education? An experienced regional manager? Or even higher? Do you make such an assessment based on WHAT? ..
    The only thing I agree with is the ending, in the sense that ARSENA PAVLOV DOESN’T NEED TO BUILD A CHEAPER SELF-PRIOR TO DIE. IT'S ANIMAL.
  23. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 18 October 2016 22: 56
    0
    Quote: avia1991
    They dug a hole for themselves, my dear. Kiev Russia recognized? I admitted. So why not recognize the DPR-LPR's right to independence? If we are talking about abandoning "double standards" ..
    Do not distort, be honest with yourself, it is not necessary in front of me. Russia recognized Poroshenko as the President of the popularly elected and the fact that the two regions did not partially vote does not contradict the Constitution of this state. So you don’t need to powder the brain to yourself or to people.
    Like the vast majority of Russians, I sincerely wish LDNR self-determination, but within the framework of constitutional reform (which Minsk-2 is directly aimed at). Otherwise, recognition of LDNR will not even be discussed, but there will be international pressure and blockade that they will not survive and we will not be able to help them.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 19 October 2016 00: 13
      +1
      Right. If we recognized Poroshenko as the president of Ukraine (although we might not have recognized it), then talking about the illegal seizure of power in the outskirts is stupid. Therefore, MINSK-1,2,3, etc. only aimed at changing the Constitution. And if this happens, then the sculpture of D. Washington in the Capitol will applaud us.
    2. libivs
      libivs 19 October 2016 00: 29
      +6
      Is it Donbass Tse Ukraine, and Pedro Lipetsk is a respected partner? For the second year, you rub this Surkov crap on the box. Not tired? Well, we, glory to you, God don’t fire at us with large calibers every day, but what about the Donetsk people? When they rebelled, did they want such an outcome? Do you remember all these official bushes about Crimea that the guarantor rubbed on us? Russians do not abandon their? Or again say that no one promised anything to anyone? And how beautifully the Russian Spring began. A sincere impulse, a sense of pride in our country, for our people, for our president. How did it end? A banal oligarchic agreement in which Akhmetov played the main role, plus partners scared. This is April 14th. And then generally extravaganza began. Yes, in the month of August they really helped, but only in order to take control of the popular impulse, to pohder and vulgarize everything sacred and, in the end, to sell elementarily. But why be surprised? In our country, all domestic politics is carried out by a similar Surkovism. Maybe I'm emotional, but at least honest. The blood of Bednov, Ishchenko, Mozgovoy, Dremov, Pavlov and many thousands of dead Donetsk residents and Russian volunteers calls for revenge and I really hope that at least in heaven a worthy punishment will overtake not only Kiev ghouls, but also some of our politicians.
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 22 October 2016 01: 35
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Like the vast majority of Russians, I sincerely wish LDNR self-determination, but within the framework of constitutional reform

      You better not stand for the "majority" here. The face will be more intact. "Popularly elected" Parash ?! This is the pro-American establishment you mean by "all the people of Ukraine"? Bravo bravo.
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Russia recognized Poroshenko as President
      This is not RUSSIA recognized. Putin is not all of Russia. The oligarchs are also not the weight of the PEOPLE.
      Quote: avg-mgn
      be honest with yourself, it’s not necessary in front of me.
      hi
  24. rruvim
    rruvim 18 October 2016 23: 48
    0
    In any investigation - the preamble "who benefits?"
    Russia - definitely not, it never even comes to a head;
    LDNR - the answer: this murder is not profitable from any side. If the leadership of LDNR wanted to find a reason to attack Kuev, it’s enough to allow the arrival of mortar blanks to the OSCE mission or, God forbid, to the School or the Boarding School, with all the consequences ... The second Chechen also began with the bombings of houses in Moscow, this was not enough, started with Dagestan. A reason to start a campaign on Kuev due to the vile murder of a national hero, not yet a reason to start this campaign. Yes, no one will.
    Dill - For Poroshenko, this is also not necessary, on the nose Minsk 3, the election of the US president, etc.
    But we all know that Dill, it is also in Africa Dill. There are a bunch of thugs who need the VSN to come. One of my acquaintances, a Svidomo degenerate, told me that if there is an offensive by the separatists, we will roll back to Raisins. They are somewhere near Konstantinovka. To my question "Why?" The answer is "Everything has been cleaned up here, but under Raisin you can get something" (the conversation was conducted in pure Russian). So, those who were driven into the ATO zone (and who asked for it himself) are asleep and see how retreating they will rob the population. And if the piglet is afraid of something (bills, factories), then these assholes from the National Battalions are ready to go to any provocation, so that there would be a war. Further, further and further. I even think the NSA, which controlled all the gadgets of Motor, his guard (guards), their minivan, the OTIS elevator, the "videotape" from the video cameras dropped information to these freaks. Before the US elections, maybe informally.
  25. rruvim
    rruvim 19 October 2016 00: 05
    +1
    For you, Roman. I respect you very much. You were there, but I can’t see it from the sofa. I don’t know which black cat ran between you and Zakharchenko, and the whole new leadership of the Republics, but I also believe that they have nothing to do with it.
  26. Kolya
    Kolya 19 October 2016 00: 53
    +3
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    For the death of MOTOROLLS, some JAROSH or PARUBY must pay with his life.
    Other

    The Russian elite does not have such plans, plans to make money. The West knows the Achilles heel of Russia. Sanctions are very effective.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 19 October 2016 01: 38
      0
      There are no sanctions! In the era of complete globalism, they do not exist. Everything is interconnected. Even Nat without sanctions. Sanctions are only in stupid minds and on television. Lack of working money, that's where the problem lies. Yes! This is the Achilles heel. Only not Russia, as in the Country, but our Ministry of Finance (or rather the people watching). And even then they do not have this heel, most likely they have there .. pa.
    2. the lord
      the lord 19 October 2016 01: 55
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      And here is the level that can be mastered not by the elite, but by a "group of comrades" with the appropriate training. Such deeds have been practiced since the time of the Italians' liberation struggle, when entire organizations of specialists took revenge on enemies and traitors even after many years.
  27. rruvim
    rruvim 19 October 2016 02: 05
    0
    I am more concerned about why Arseny was at the epicenter of the explosion (official version). The conclusion of the forensics is very important.
  28. carapace
    carapace 19 October 2016 16: 07
    +2
    Article - rubbish, writing - slime at the leadership, yuck, disgusting, no one writes the truth, be afraid. One patriotism, but not normal, but finished. Ask anyone in Donbas incognito and the people will tell you a lot, but after all, journalists should write openly as they are. Otherwise what the hell are they needed with their scribbles? The article is intended for Russians and the rest of Ukraine. It is a pity for Motorola, but his death is a natural result of coming to power in the "republic". The war will end someday and a lot will pop up, although a lot will be thoroughly cleaned up. The war in Donbass could have ended calmly by the fall of 14, not to mention the fact that the February Maidan might not have happened. People have a very short memory.