Media: Ordering corvettes for the 5 fleet, Germany "gives a signal" to Russia

German parliamentarians approved the purchase of five Braunschweig-type corvettes for the Navy for a total of € 1,5 billion, reports RIA News Post Süddeutsche Zeitung.

“To cope with new security challenges in the Baltic region, the Mediterranean Sea and the world as a whole, the coalition (the CDU / CSU block and the SPD party) intends to purchase five new corvettes for the German Navy worth 1,5 billion euros,”

- The deputy from CDU Eckhard Reberg told the newspaper.

According to the newspaper, the first 2 ships should be transferred the fleet as early as 2019, the rest until 2023

Now in the German Navy is in service with five corvettes class Braunschweig K 130.

Mainly these ships are used in coastal marine zones, incl. in the Baltic. Apparently, in connection with this, the newspaper decided that the fleet renewal was a “signal” to Russia.

Comments

[Muvka]

Does Russia give a signal for the production of 10 anti-ship missiles? Well done.
Or 5 X-32.

[hirurg]

Germany "gives a signal" to Russia
Somewhere it was already ....
Oh well!

[cniza]

Journalists have become great strategists and politicians, they have already begun to send signals to Russia, already that ...

[x.andvlad]

So what? There was recently an article about the fact that the Italian Navy received the fifth frigate FREMM.
These are not the signals that journalists stubbornly seek, but the usual process of updating the fleet. All economically developed countries seek to renew their fleet.

[Alex777]

If this is a signal for Russia, then the Germans were preparing to send it for about 10 years.
Journalists are pumping up on a completely level ground.

[Proxima]

Interestingly, the Americans recently launched a DDG-1000 project destroyer for $ 4,4 billion, and here, 5 corvettes for $ 1,5 billion. If we take the pricing policy at face value, then it turns out that the destroyer is equivalent to 15 corvettes? Something is wrong here. It is clear that a destroyer with bells and whistles is "invisible" and the like, BUT NOT FOR THE SAME PRICE! Its price will be equal to the cost of any one anti-ship missile, which will turn it into a heap of scrap metal.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Proxima

Something is wrong here. It is clear that the destroyer with bells and whistles is "invisible" and the like, BUT NOT FOR THE SAME PRICE!

When they tell me that we have terrible corruption, I remember how much the new American aircraft carrier and destroyer cost.
That is, of course we have corruption, but the scale is different.

[Krabik]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, of course we have corruption, but the scale is different.

Yes, the United States has monstrous corruption, so they have enough money to build destroyers, aircraft carriers, airplanes, submarines and satellites.

And we have much less corruption, but only enough money to produce boats with Chinese diesels ...

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Proxima

Something is wrong here. It is clear that the destroyer with bells and whistles is "invisible" and the like, BUT NOT FOR THE SAME PRICE!

When they tell me that we have terrible corruption, I remember how much the new American aircraft carrier and destroyer cost.
That is, of course we have corruption, but the scale is different.

And where does corruption? You are seriously mistaken. The institution of lobbying is one thing, but corruption is quite another. To spend money on the resumption of production of the obsolete IL-114 (including the idiotic idea of ​​"digitization") is lobbying. To steal money already allocated for the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, or the story with Oboronservis, is corruption. Do not confuse one with the other.
Americans need aircraft carriers and destroyers, but the Germans do not need them. If there is again a confrontation between Germany and the USA, then the Germans will build aircraft carriers and destroyers. And corruption has nothing to do with it.

[iConst]

Quote: Proxima

that a destroyer is equivalent to 15 corvettes? Something is wrong here. It is clear that the destroyer with bells and whistles is "invisible" and the like, BUT NOT FOR THE SAME PRICE!

Interesting calculations.
My opinion is that this is already a kind of manic desire to have the coolest things for "power projection".

Quote: article

Germany "gives a signal" to Russia

Long farewell purple beep.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Proxima

Interestingly, the Americans recently launched a DDG-1000 project destroyer for $ 4,4 billion, and here, 5 corvettes for $ 1,5 billion. If we take the pricing policy at face value, then it turns out that the destroyer is equivalent to 15 corvettes? Something is wrong here. It is clear that a destroyer with bells and whistles is "invisible" and the like, BUT NOT FOR THE SAME PRICE! Its price will be equal to the cost of any one anti-ship missile, which will turn it into a heap of scrap metal.

You are very far from the truth.
1. What will risk them at such a price. Aircraft carrier - 5 lard (one to one) and a GROUP is screwed around it. So "Bolt" will not walk alone in a dark forest.
2. You forgot - it is invisible. Radars do not see him (they say that theirs is accurate).
Can we throw 10 liters of alcohol on satellites, wipe the optics there, wash the nuts?

[The black]

In my opinion, we don’t have to react too emotionally to it. We have ordered and have ordered. This is their right, even if they want, they order it.

[Proxima]

Quote: Black

In my opinion, we don’t have to react too emotionally to it. We have ordered and have ordered. This is their right, even if they want, they order it.

I agree. We, too, once ordered Mistali and where are they now? You still need to live until 2023.

[NEXUS]

Proxima

I agree. We, too, once ordered Mistali and where are they now? You still need to live until 2023.

Indeed ... and the THREE frigates that were built for the Black Sea Fleet, we sell, because there is no domestic GSU. But you don’t need to bathe ... we’ll still draw. Right?
If this is the attitude to the fleet, then you can safely forget about nuclear destroyers, aircraft carriers, etc. right now.
If the adversary is arming himself, then console yourself and say that this is not scary, stupid and criminal. The Germans are 5 corvettes, the Japanese are 5 frigates, the Turks are 5 destroyers, and you see, there are NATO ships around, and we have nothing to oppose them.

[Proxima]

Quote: NEXUS

Indeed ... and the THREE frigates that were built for the Black Sea Fleet, we sell, because there is no domestic GSU. But you don’t need to bathe ... we’ll still draw. Right?

Dear, maybe we won’t troll in such a cheap way? But the emoticon is fully consistent with your personality. By intellect, you are not disfigured, especially when it comes to knowledge of the materiel.

[Neputin]

But it did not seem to me that NEXUS was trolling someone. And his remark is correct and in the subject. With such a pace of military shipbuilding, we will soon not be the same as the ocean, but we will no longer control the Baltic puddle.

[Inok10]

Quote: Neputin

But it did not seem to me that NEXUS was trolling someone. And his remark is correct and in the subject. With such a pace of military shipbuilding, we will soon not be the same as the ocean, but we will no longer control the Baltic puddle.

... another "strategist", a great "industrialist", an expert in shipbuilding and tactics of using the Navy ... pay attention ... facts - 0 ... the conclusions are "all-propalipolymers" ... in Russia they write a lot of things in the shed, but inside there is firewood ... it is not surprising ... this Nexusy ...

[NEXUS]

Inok10

in Russia, they write a lot of things on the barn, but inside - firewood ... no wonder ... this is the Nexus.

You know better, maybe you can see that you only read such literature.

[Proxima]

Quote: Neputin

With such a pace of military shipbuilding, we will soon not be the same as the ocean, but we will no longer control the Baltic puddle.

The all-out man? I will try to list the warships that have been launched in recent years (in this century - that's for sure). BOREY-class nuclear submarines - Yuri Dolgoruky, Alexander Nevsky, Vladimir Monomakh, Yasen project - Severodvinsk nuclear submarine. Frigates - "Admiral Essen", "Admiral Grigorovich", "Admiral Makarov". Rocket ships - "Grad Sviyazhsk", "Uglich", "Veliky Ustyug". Watchmen - "Tatarstan", "Dagestan". I no longer mention such "trifles" as 6 submarines of the "Varshavyanka" class launched over the past 2 years. And if you bother to look into the plans for the construction of new ships, where everything is on schedule, you will be pleasantly surprised - they are grandiose. Is this not enough for you? If even more, then you can stay without pants.

[NEXUS]

Proxima

The all-out man? I will try to list the warships that have been launched in recent years (this is for sure). BOREY-class nuclear submarines - Yuri Dolgoruky, Alexander Nevsky, Vladimir Monomakh, Yasen project - Severodvinsk nuclear submarine.

Well, let's figure it out, moron ...
Boreas say ... let's talk about the Mace. She is flying? To the point of these Boreyevs, if they actually have NO "teeth"! And our entire underwater nuclear shield is supported by the Dolphins from Sineva.
Further ... Speak ashes. The deadlines have already been postponed for 2 years. And in the series of ASHES, EVERY NPS will turn out to be the head one, as they will all be different, which means that they will, unfortunately, be built longer than the serial ones.

Frigates - "Admiral Essen", "Admiral Grigorovich", "Admiral Makarov". Rocket ships - "Grad Sviyazhsk", "Uglich", "Veliky Ustyug". Watchmen - "Tatarstan", "Dagestan"

Frigates are great ... but we only build them slowly and in insufficient quantities. At the same time, Sarych destroyers are written off, and their replacement is slow, in the person of these very frigates. In 15 years, at least one destroyer or cruiser ship was built? The fleet is aging faster than we are updating it. I have already said, so for a moment, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, Moscow will soon celebrate 40 years, and he has no replacement, like the rest of the Atlanteans.
So there is nothing here to build an optimist from oneself and shout slogans. This makes the fleet no easier.

[Proxima]

Quote: NEXUS

Well, let's figure it out, moron ...

Just don't pretend to be a reasonable pessimist here. The word "mind" is key here in this phrase. Take at least only the Severodvinsk shipyard. Only fourth-generation nuclear submarines on stocks - 7 units! Class "Northwind" - "Prince Vladimir", "Prince Oleg", "Generalissimo Suvorov". Ash class - Kazan, Novosibirsk, Arkhangelsk, Krasnoyarsk. IT'S LITTLE FOR YOU ?! If Bulavas do not fly, then there is no need to build nuclear submarines? Gorgeous logic. The designers will sort out the "Bulava" somehow without you, don't worry. No one says that everything is going smoothly with the modernization of the Navy. There are difficulties, but I see no reason for yelling like “everything is gone” and “sold Mother Russia”. Where were you such "clever guys" in the 90s and 0s, when the Armed Forces were really fighting in full force?

[alekc75]

amers have troughs which are also 40 and so what?

[NEXUS]

alekc75

amers have troughs which are also 40 and so what?

Excuse me, how many ships do mattresses have and how fast do they build them?

[Uncle Murzik]

NEXUS why doesn't the "mace" fly?

[NEXUS]

Uncle Murzik

NEXUS why doesn't the "mace" fly?

Dear, what flies well? Then what is already being done for its early modernization, as well as work on a new sea-based ICBM? Don’t tell, uncle?

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Uncle Murzik

NEXUS why doesn't the "mace" fly?

Dear, what flies well? Then what is already being done for its early modernization, as well as work on a new sea-based ICBM? Don’t tell, uncle?

Andrew!
Are you this? :)
Urya-patriots even "got" you?

[Cat]

There is no sense in controlling the Baltic puddle by aircraft carriers. Offensive Offensive operations, it makes sense to us to carry out the indicated theater of operations as meaninglessly. Considering the Kaliningrad region, it’s enough for us to have light naval forces, good aviation, air defense and means of destruction of land-based ships such as the bastion and the coast.

[Cat]

Here is the next argument, containment.
Definitely cheaper than a corvette.

[Observer2014]

Cat

There is no sense in controlling the Baltic puddle by aircraft carriers. Offensive Offensive operations, it makes sense to us to carry out the indicated theater of operations as pointless ...........

Absolutely right . Close the coastal zones of land-based anti-ship missiles with a range exceeding the use of weapons on enemy ships, Sorry partners.

[vvv-73]

Well, why talk about it if there are no gas turbine units, and Ukrainian ones are not available. From the fact that this is repeated, they will not appear. Until we make ours, there will be no ships.

[NEXUS]

Proxima

Dear, maybe we won’t troll in such a cheap way?

Dear, where did you see trolling here? Regarding the transition to personality, so your pearl -

Intellect you are not disfigured

clearly shows that they dropped you in childhood, they dropped you. Lack of culture, the first sign of stupidity, dear.

this is especially true of knowledge of the materiel.

... please provide a source of information ...

According to Nikolai Novichkov in the article "India to acquire three Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates from Russia" published by Jane's Defense Weekly, Russia is selling to India three frigates of the improved Project 11356, previously built for the Russian Navy. This was announced by a source in the Russian defense industry.

“According to the source, an agreement has been reached, India will receive the second three ships of project 11356 (Admiral Butakov, Admiral Istomin, Admiral Kornilov) originally intended for the transfer of the Russian Navy. India also ordered 12 sets of spare parts and accessories ".

Here is the source.

... and what are the findings? ... half a half save who can?

I will answer with your very "wise" phrase-

... maybe we’ll essentially talk, not try on the laurels of Edgar Cayce and Baba Vanga? ...

[EvgNik]

Quote: Proxima

Dear ............... matches your personality. Intellect you are not disfigured

You should not write such things. First, estimate that they will write to you like this, but they can. Minus, dear.

[Proxima]

Quote: EvgNik

You should not write such things. First, estimate that they will write to you like this, but they can. Minus, dear.

I don’t abuse it, but when it’s not clear to you why the emoticons with fingers at the temple are sent and trolls are off topic .. In any case, I'm sorry.

[EvgNik]

Quote: Proxima

but when you don’t understand why

In any case, keep yourself in control. Do not like it - ignore it (often you have to write this word recently, sorry there are no minuses - they would put everything in its place).

[Inok10]

Quote: NEXUS

Indeed ... and the THREE frigates that were built for the Black Sea Fleet, we sell, because there is no domestic GSU. But you don’t need to bathe ... we’ll still draw. Right?

... please provide a source of information ... but, in fact, an empty talk ... not like a man ... with regards to the gas turbine, so many copies have already been broken ... which is not even interesting:

Within the framework of the import substitution program in Russia, it is planned to manufacture gas turbine engines, the base enterprise for which is the Rybinsk NPO Saturn.
"The first prototype of the GTU is planned to be placed on the test bench in 2017. Serial delivery to the ships under construction of Project 22350 may begin at the end of the same year. The first samples of the domestic GTU will go to Severnaya Verf," said Ponomarev. Source: http: // sudostroenie.info/novosti/15961.html

...

If this is the attitude to the fleet, then you can safely forget about nuclear destroyers, aircraft carriers, etc. right now.

... and what is wrong? ... in relation to the fleet? ...

If the adversary is arming himself, then console yourself and say that this is not scary, stupid and criminal. The Germans are 5 corvettes, the Japanese are 5 frigates, the Turks are 5 destroyers, and you see, there are NATO ships around, and we have nothing to oppose them.

... and what are the findings? ... half a half save who can? ... figam - a Native American hut, as one cartoon hero used to say ... especially general conclusions strike ... facts 0 ... but the conclusions are grandiose ... maybe we’ll actually talk, not try on the laurels of Edgar Cayce and Baba Wanga ? ...

[Neputin]

The fact of the matter is the respected inok 10, that the decision to locate and build a stand in Rybinsk was made back in the "shaggy" year 2000 and 6 lard rubles were allocated for this. Almost 17 years have passed. Where is the stand? Where's the money? Where are the engines for the ships. Here are the facts and the questions arising from them. There are no answers, I think, and if there are, then they are very unpleasant for all of us.

[Inok10]

Quote: Neputin

that the decision to place and build a stand in Rybinsk was made back in the "shaggy" year 2000, and 6 lard rubles were allocated for this.

... where is the source of information? ... where are the facts? ... if you confused an object with a finger ... then this is your problem ... don't confuse OJSC "Turboorus" jointly with Zorya-Mashroekt and really full-fledged production deployed on "Saturn", including the hot part that was done at birth at Zora ... how ridiculous you are gentlemen of the "criticism" ... Nexus pulled out the "source":

As Nikolay Novichkov reports in the article "India to acquire three Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates from Russia", published by Jane's Defense Weekly, Russia sells to India three frigates of the improved design 11356, previously built for the Russian Navy. This was reported source in the Russian defense industry.

... in general, there is life on Mars, there is no life on Mars ... science is not known ... highlighted boldly ... OBS ... in a word ...

[donavi49]

Yesterday we signed a document. The prime minister said bluntly:
Modi further added: "They also lay the foundations for deeper defense and economic ties in years ahead. The agreements on manufacturing of Kamov 226T helicopters, constructions of frigates, and acquisition and building of other defense platforms are in synergy with India's technology and security priorities . "

The agreement on the frigates of the 11356 project provides for the construction of two such frigates for the Indian Navy in Russia, and two more under the license of the Indian state shipyard Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) in Visakhapatnam, while the Russian side will assist in modernizing this enterprise and training personnel.

Well, here is the VIDEOPRUF:

[Sergey Kiselev]

Now the enterprise has been rebuilt, from scratch, work on the turbine is in full swing, I think we will see them earlier than planned. Surely there Ukrainians and collect them, because around checkpoints.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Neputin

The fact of the matter is the respected inok 10, that the decision to locate and build a stand in Rybinsk was made back in the "shaggy" year 2000 and 6 lard rubles were allocated for this. It's been almost 17 years

Excuse me dear, this is when "Saturn" was allocated 6 lards? In 2000, we did not know in a dream, not about the stand, nor about the marine theme For your information, there is already a stand, there is a new case of heat-resistant casting, it’s being equipped now.

[Neputin]

That's right, they didn’t know. Because the decision was not made by you. But the fact that it was accepted and money allocated was a fact. Apparently you flew past the money too. However, as always with us.

[Alex777]

Inok10!

Within the framework of the import substitution program in Russia, it is planned to manufacture gas turbine engines, the base enterprise for which is the Rybinsk NPO Saturn.
"The first prototype of the GTU is planned to be placed on the test bench in 2017. Serial delivery to the ships under construction of Project 22350 may begin at the end of the same year. The first samples of the domestic GTU will go to Severnaya Verf," said Ponomarev. Source: http: // sudostroenie.info/novosti/15961.html

Colleague Inok10!
On the project 11356 2 types of turbines are: 8 450 hp Marching gas turbine, 22 000 hp afterburning gas turbine.
Afterburners we really do. You spoke in detail about them in detail. 2-3 years and possibly. will be.
As far as I know, they didn’t even start marching.
At 22350, for example, instead of marching gas turbines - diesel engines.
Therefore, our "import substitution" at 22350 will not help 11356.
Although most of the moraemans clearly prefer the COGAG scheme. They say that gas turbines are both simpler and more reliable.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

On the project 11356 2 types of turbines are: 8 450 hp Marching gas turbine, 22 000 hp afterburning gas turbine.
Afterburners we really do. You spoke in detail about them in detail. 2-3 years and possibly. will be.
As far as I know, they didn’t even start marching.

... we go to Karpenko and there we read: M70FRU, DKVP unit, M90FR ... do three types at once, for all types of vessels ... Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/m90fr-saturn/ ...

[Alex777]

You can go anywhere.
I tell you the opinion of those who built 11356 denounced.
They described the situation in the following words:
Marching GTU 11356 - is expensive and for the sake of 3 frigates no one will do it. But on other ships it is not needed.
On paper, we have everything without ravines.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

You can go anywhere.
I tell you the opinion of those who built 11356 denounced.

... thanks ... I visit Yantar twice a week, my job is not ... not State Security ... I'm an energetic now, well, the one who is RedBull ... will you have any more questions? ...

Quote: Alex777

They described the situation in the following words:
Marching GTU 11356 - is expensive and for the sake of 3 frigates no one will do it. But on other ships it is not needed.

- GTE M75RU with a maximum power of 7000 hp
- GTD M70FRU maximum power of 14000 hp
- GTE M90FR with a maximum power of 27500 hp
.... and who said that the 11356 series will end on 6 units? ... become like The nexus ? ... source of information in the studio! ... there are also 5 Indian "pictures" you can't erase, two of which are in our shipyards ... and you want to say they will be DT-59 + DS-71 "Zorya-Mashproekt" ... blessed are those who believe .. ... will not ! ... there will be our M75RU + M90FRU ...

Quote: Alex777

On paper, we have everything without ravines.

... that other ... the Internet will endure everything ... well, here is no! ... the contingent is not the same ... do not tell Kaliningraders about the construction of 11356 ...

[Alex777]

This changes the matter.
I like project 11356.
If there are a lot of them, I will only be glad.
It seems to me that M75RU + M90FRU should be better than Ukrainian gas turbines. And, probably, they will require a lot of processing of the project.
What, even the packages will be delivered?
Thank you for the good news!

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

This changes the matter.
I like project 11356.
If there are a lot of them, I will only be glad.

... mutually ... TFR is very successful ... seven feet under the keel ...

Quote: Alex777

It seems to me that M75RU + M90FRU should be better than Ukrainian gas turbines.

... yes, the gas generator and the high-pressure turbine have been redesigned ... the "outskirts of the border" have been removed ... 10-12% as a result of an increase in power and fuel economy ...

Quote: Alex777

And, probably, they will require a lot of processing of the project.

... no, they will not require ...
- GTE M75RU successfully passed GSI in 2006;
- GTE M70FRU successfully passed GSI in 2008;
- GTE M90FR successfully passed the GSI in 2008;
... landing sites, lines, etc. ... regular ... the question was different ... the gas generator and the high-pressure turbine were produced at Zorya-Mashproekt ... there was only a stand for the final tests, alas, earlier we were the USSR ... now everything is on " Saturn "in Rybinsk ... and a gas generator and a high-pressure turbine ... and a stand for final tests ...

Quote: Alex777

What, even the packages will be delivered?

... MPDITR! ...

Quote: Alex777

Thank you for the good news!

... you're welcome ...

[OLD FART]

Sorry for the Germans ....! According to the contribution, they will all go to us.
We will water you ....! You didn’t understand anything about the Russians about us!

[VAT22]

Starper, how much I read you, I don’t understand, are you a troll or are you really such a stubborn, sort of Ukrainian Svidomo, just the opposite?

[hirurg]

Quote: Black

This is their right, even if they want, they order it.

It's not what they order.
And how their press presents this, shaping public opinion.
Here, they say, look: This is all towards Russia.

[Amurets]

Could, put +100. You can’t say better. They want, let beer with sour cabbage and sausages order, they want corvettes. You all the pleasure, for your money.

Quote: Black

In my opinion, we don’t have to react too emotionally to it. We have ordered and have ordered. This is their right, even if they want, they order it.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Black

In my opinion, we don’t have to react too emotionally to it. We have ordered and have ordered. This is their right, even if they want, they order it.

Their fleet has not received new units for a long time. In the case of decommissioning of old ships, it generally becomes unworkable. Therefore, the Germans are forced to move. In general, on the performance characteristics of ships on waronline, interesting information was posted.

Interesting news from Germany. Due to the fact that the decisions on the new frigates, type 180, were kicked off at the "post-election", the Bundestag, on its own initiative (!) Allocated 1.5 billion euros for five additional K-130 corvettes, as the media write, "new modification". There is a suspicion that this could be a new CAAP-6 platform that the Germans will equip with their own equipment and weapons. The building will be carried out by Lürssen who recently bought blohm & voss. Both are permanent contractors of TKMS, so everything is possible, the design is common and the Germans invested financially in our project. The first two are planned to be received in 2019, like ours, but from a different shipyard ... :)
Today the Germans also began to suspect something. :) "Zeitlich fällt die Beschaffung mit den vier Sa'ar 6 zusammen (2000t, 90m, Hangar für SH / MH-60), die ebenso ab 2019 bereit stehen sollen - der Zusammenhang ist offensichtlich ". "Vielleicht kann man sich ja an der, bereits hier erwähnten, Saar 6 orientieren. Je nachdem natürlich, inwiefernn sich die israelischen Systeme gegen unsere austauschen lassen". "There is an obvious connection between the delivery time of two units in 2019 with the construction of four SAAR-6 (2000T, 90m, hangar for SH / MH-60), with delivery in the same 2019." "Maybe they are guided by the already mentioned SAAR-6. Depending on the level of possibilities of replacing Israeli systems with ours." etc. etc.
The benefits of cooperation, mutual.: Wait:

[Finches]

The ancient Roman orator Cicero said that "History is the teacher of life"but many, many centuries passed, and the German philosopher Hegel summed up everything that happened to humanity during this time in a paradox:"History teaches that teaches nothing" - unfortunately the postulate true today!

Humanity, once again, with abnormal persistence rises to the same rake, though forgetting that this rake has become nuclear ...

[cap]

Quote: Finches

Humanity, once again, with abnormal persistence rises to the same rake, though forgetting that this rake has become nuclear ...

A beautiful illustration of your statement, which is difficult to disagree with.

[Neputin]

"And only the Russians, stepping on a rake for the third time, are glad that they have not been stolen yet." M. Zadornov

[siberalt]

The Germans are prudently preparing to drive hungry beggars from the Baltic.

[electrooleg]

Quote: Muvka

Does Russia give a signal for the production of 10 anti-ship missiles?

Already have, and on duty!

[NEXUS]

electrooleg

Already have, and on duty!

We’ll launch Liana at full capacity and a new space grouping until the 25th year, so that we have around-the-clock intelligence, target designations ... as well as a UAV fleet of different classes, we will quantitatively increase so as not to look like amateurs on the background of mattresses in this matter, here then it will be possible to talk about the possibilities of a network-centric war of our weapons and rejoice. In the meantime, we are only at the very beginning of this path and ahead of work, start and finish.

[Smog]

these ships are used in coastal marine areas, including in the Baltic. Apparently, in this regard, the newspaper decided that updating the fleet is a "signal" to Russia.

and we will answer with the words of V.S. Vysotsky (slightly paraphrasing):

You send a signal: "What are you there?"
And you are sent back.

[Banishing liberoids]

And such a small order - for the sake of the State Department, you need to order a couple more aircraft carriers - nuclear, of course, a dozen new submarines, you can build five helicopter carriers - you can’t frighten one merkel with this

[dmi.pris1]

"Shooting gallery" for our "Bastions" and "Iskander" will turn out notable ..

[DenZ]

Iskander is not RCC.

[gispanec]

Quote: DenZ

Iskander is not RCC.

Yes, this Persian doesn’t care, even poplar, even cornet, even a wasp .... after all, he fled for a plus sign, and the mat part is a matter of liberals !!

[Thunderbolt]

Until these missile systems are suppressed, they will not be exposed to their fire. "I" and "B" are priority targets in the first wave of missile and bomb strikes, along with air defense systems and control objects.

[Muvka]

While these missile systems are being suppressed, ICBMs will fly up to the target ...

[Cat]

Iskander is quite useful for the basing points of corvettes.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Kotischa

Iskander is quite useful for the basing points of corvettes.

If the "blue" start first, then during the threatened period these corvettes will go out to sea to get closer to our Kaliningrad and its vulnerable communications. The sufficiently developed coastal infrastructure of NATO will allow them to be flexible enough to replenish and maneuver their forces. And are there too many targets for Iskander? Here you and missile defense radars need to extinguish and handle all airfields with accumulating aviation, garrisons of multinational forces in the Baltic States and East Europe. This means that they are already adding parking spaces for warships. And so there will be no missiles left for London ))) And all this is required from an ultraprecise, in its own unique complex, but the salvo of a missile brigade may not be enough for everything, and the change of firing positions and reloading will already be carried out under the supervision and firing of the enemy.

Quote: Muvka

While these missile systems are being suppressed, ICBMs will fly up to the target ...

To what goals, to Moscow, Leningrad and Krasnoyarsk? Only today I answered a thesis similar to yours, perhaps I will duplicate it. No one will shoot ICBMs as long as there is a possibility of resistance by infantry, tanks by the same Iskander.

A couple of dozen poplars that broke through the missile defense echelon in Europe and exploded in the same place would mean only one thing - that no less number of minutemans will strike at our large cities and military bases. Why should poplars be mentioned every time when discussing NATO military preparations? the doctrine provides for such strikes in the event of a big threat to our state. But until the usual means are exhausted, no one will give such an "order". But what is so simpler ... he set up missile divisions in Siberia and everything is sewn-covered.

[Vladimir 38]

It will not calm down like a nemchur, how many times they raked and everyone will not calm down .. Do not be famously with your signals, but how about awake at 45

[mr.redpartizan]

After arrival, a couple of dozens of poplars will definitely calm down, and forever. The last lesson never taught them anything, just like us, unfortunately. Conclusion - the enemy must always be finished, which has not been done. I hope that this time, nemchura fucks shit in full, raking the radioactive ruins of their cities with their bare hands.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

After the arrival of a couple of dozen poplars

A couple of dozen poplars that broke through the missile defense echelon in Europe and exploded in the same place would mean only one thing - that no fewer minutemans will strike at our large cities and military bases. Why mention poplars every time when discussing NATO military preparations? the doctrine provides for such strikes in the event of a big threat to our state. But until the usual means are exhausted, no one will give such an "order". And then what is so simpler ... he set up missile divisions in Siberia and everything is sewn up. Only it is easy for Kiselyov to grind the United States into powder from a Moscow studio. He will not receive a response for this, but will only be praised and patted on the head.

[Amurets]

Apparently, in this regard, the newspaper decided that updating the fleet is a "signal" to Russia.

Beacons for homing heads do not forget to put.

[mr.redpartizan]

It is better to immediately hit the Fritz bases in the event of a turmoil, and to hit missiles with nuclear warheads. One blue with several RGMs, released from the depths of the Arctic, is enough to completely destroy all German bases along with the nearest settlements.

[Wedmak]

Well, they would be like in a store, standing on the shelves. I took and bought 5 pieces and now they are already at the mooring wall for tomorrow. So we will build something for 2019. And to 2023 we’ll update the fleet in general.
However, the landlord’s business, the fleet is being renewed - well done, if only they wouldn’t climb to us.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Wedmak

So we will build something for 2019.

Well, we’ll probably build it. But not everything that was planned by GOZ-2020.

And to 2023 we’ll update the fleet in general.

But this, depending on how many percent ... The schedule for putting new buildings into the fleet has inexorably crawled to the right ... And this, alas! - bitter reality.

[Monarchist]

Now I have checked Vika: Braunschweig is inferior to our corvettes of project 20380. In the Mediterranean, he is not fig delal (low autonomy).
Newspapers are known to like to "embellish" to put it mildly and most likely about a signal from Russia to raise the rating of the publication. Therefore, all their signals must be sent to the BAM along the old track.

[tlauicol]

of course nothing. only here they were yanking all year there - then in Malta, then near Lebanon

[demiurg]

Good corvettes. But why?
By the way, why did they have 27mm with such tiny sectors of fire installed, who knows?

[Warm Padded Jacket]

what is this for the trough will be for 300 lyam?)))

[aszzz888]

Nemchura cuckered. They do not want to live in peace. What kind of people? (I mean their rulers).

[33 Watcher]

Having ordered 5 corvettes for the fleet, Germany “gives a signal” to Russia
... That ordered 5 corvettes.

[tinibar]

Quote: cniza

Journalists have become great strategists and politicians, they have already begun to send signals to Russia, already that ...

Yes, it’s not for nothing that journalism is increasingly being used, so you need not to convey objective information, if possible, analyze it, but make a cheap sensation, and even splash oil into the fire ...

[orado]

Accidents, breakdowns of all kinds. Crew scurvy and motion sickness. The team of active homosexuals

[creak]

Quote: orado

orado Today, 13:08 New
Accidents, breakdowns of all kinds. Crew scurvy and motion sickness.

And really, why the hell should we update our fleet, we’ll play a little, let the Germans spoil and kirdyk their fleet ...
It is time for the RF Armed Forces to introduce the posts of full-time shamans instead of combat training - dancing with tambourines ...
It is unclear why the RF Ministry of Defense has not yet thought of this and is still tinkering with the rearmament of the armed forces.

[EvgNik]

Quote: orado

Accidents, breakdowns of all kinds .....

Why so rude. I wish you success. Maybe we will come in handy.

[Mountain shooter]

Germany at this pace can beep until the 2100th year. Only Merkel will not last so much.

[ydjin]

Fuck, what will decide 5, as many as 5 corvettes in the Baltic, which is shot through by missiles and aircraft? Germans, you have nowhere to put money? Better feed the hungry children of Africa! You look less refugees roll over to you!

[kolobok63]

Gentlemen of the Bundes, can you send your messages to RUSSIA, right in the trash, 1945 FORGOTTEN ???

[shinobi]

I remember the story of F-22. We ordered 500 pcs. We received the first batch of 20 pcs and reduced the order to 200. As a result, they put into service 122 and curtailed production. Here the story can be repeated with the Germans. They will put frau on, but they will forget about the order or say no money.

[maxim1987]

Braunschweig Corvette

better deal with sausage, you get it better

[Holoy]

Well, the German surface fleet has never been a threat to anyone ... But SchA and their Ground Forces are about nothing ... Germany is no longer Germany at all ...

[EvgNik]

Quote: Holoy

... Germany is no longer Germany at all ...

Germany is Germany. And Fru Merkel is Fru Merkel. Two different sides of being.

[Holoy]

Quote: EvgNik

Germany is Germany. And Fru Merkel is Fru Merkel. Two different sides of being.

Far from that Germany, only by name ...

[KRIG55]

What the hell are these corvettes for? Usually we entered Berlin on foot or in tanks. But today you don’t have to go there, missiles will do their job. Well, they won’t even learn from their mistakes ...

[shadow]

Signal for what? In order for our sailors to practice exercises? Anyway, is it worth taking this information seriously? After all, they only said that they would order, or build, but nothing has been done yet, and therefore it is not known whether anything will be done at all.

[Neputin]

Corvette type "Braunschweig"
Displacement: 1840 t
Length - 89 m, width 13 m
Speed ​​- over 26 knots
Range: 2500 miles
Autonomy 7+ days, crew - 65 people
Armament: Tactical strike - 2 × 2 launchers of anti-ship missiles RBS-15 Mk.3 (missile range - 200 km, Mach 0,8 speed, ANN + GPS + ARLGSN guidance)
Artillery: 1 × 76,2 mm OTO Otobreda
Air defense: 2 × 21 launchers of Mk 49 SAM air defense system - anti-aircraft missiles RIM-116A, as well as 2 × 27 mm ZAK Rheinmetall AG MLG 27
PLO: 2 × 3 324-mm anti-submarine TA - torpedoes MU-90
Air group: 1 × NH90 or 2 × UAV

Although it is inferior to our project 20380, the corvette is not bad, it will do for the Baltic. And if there are 5 of them, then in general "zer good".

[tlauicol]

their already 5. will be 10

[aleks700]

If there is money, let them build. They have the right no less than Russia or Lithuania.

[Berg berg]

It gives a signal to Russia - Here you have goals for training, everyone has already beaten yours!

[Semenov]

Episode infovoy. Probably, it is possible to calculate possible threats from commissioning new corvettes, as well as countermeasures. Problems are solved as they arise, and here is the newspaper, 2023, some kind of prophecy.

[NEXUS]

Inok10,

... is it written by you? ... at 12:55 pm ... You were asked to confirm your words ... You blew bubbles and did not bring more than one source besides the English edition with a reference to an "informed source in the military-industrial complex" ... that is, as indicated above .. there is an inscription on the barn, and the barn is just firewood ...

Answering a TASS question whether a decision has been made to sell frigates, Ponomarev stressed: "(This) has not been decided." "We are still negotiating, we are working on a government contract. But such negotiations are underway," the agency's interlocutor said.

More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2730620

Well, where is the fence and where is the firewood? You did not provide me with a source from which it would follow that these frigates will remain in their homeland. Then the question is, Who is the talker?

not a single fact ... understanding your own position as "none" ... you start being rude frankly ... getting personal ...

Man, I answer you on your reciprocity and attitude towards the interlocutor.

It’s easy for you to immediately determine trolls ...

Here is a phrase that fully characterizes your mental potential. And remembering your - "I'll give it to the moderators", your remark is quite remarkable.

prove that this cannot be ... is not required to prove ... as a man, you are not what ...

A technical jump off the topic ... well done, straight man. The more I communicate in you, the more I am convinced that you are the troll, and brolling, bored. Well, okay, "a real man", continue to put forward slogans ... maybe someone will be interested.

[antikilller55]

I'm even afraid to imagine how many signals Russia has recently sent to all its "partners" by updating its Armed Forces and Navy

[razved]

Our response signal will be the placement of "Balls".

[EvgNik]

Better ferries would be built to transport themselves to the states, Australia, North, South poles from migrants.

[colonel manuch]

The adversaries do not like it! Nothing, let them get used to it. I think they will update the "stuffing" on the new Russian serial corvettes, then let them build at least ten, but the coastal component, in the enclave, needs to be strengthened

[EvgNik]

Mainly these ships are used in coastal marine zones, incl. in the Baltic. Apparently, in connection with this, the newspaper decided that the fleet renewal was a “signal” to Russia.

Nevertheless, the purpose of building these devices is incomprehensible. They will not solve anything. Then what to do? Question. Money nowhere to go?

[Krabik]

Quote: teo28

Or did you, the hamster, forget how expensive the war with the Teutons cost us? ... But what to take with you, the Internet fighting hamster))

Firstly, I didn’t offer to bomb anyone, but said that the strategists were not intended for the Germans.

Secondly, the last war cost us so much because it was a point for Stalin to bomb the advanced units of the German army and its bridgeheads near the border.
Everyone hoped for a chance and waited for a rooster to peck at them.

As a result, all the troops at the border were lost, all the bridgeheads of a huge human resource were destroyed and a war of attrition was launched, in which the Russian winter and the allies won.
And the proud Russian soldiers swelled with hunger in prisoner of war camps.
However, none of them expected such cruelty from the Germans, otherwise they would not have thrown weapons so easily and surrendered to the Fritz;)

[Phosgene]

If Russia responded with the construction of 5 new universal missile corvettes 20385, one could speak of a qualitative re-equipment of the Russian Baltic Fleet.

[NordUral]

Float finely, comrade, give our strategists five vigorous aircraft carriers in each ocean.

[magician]

Expected. Today the EU and NATO, and tomorrow the Euro Bialowieza and the division of territories, Germany may also lose access to the Baltic from some small and proud Baltic people.)))))))))) This is so far the first green whistle, and what France will say ?

[Vadim237]

The real signal for Russia will be the Schweisen missile cruiser with a German missile defense system.

[masiya]

And they heard about the "Caliber" and none of their frigates from our missiles will not save them, because you can launch them wherever you want, even from a ship, p / L, coast, etc. so build new targets for our missiles .. allah you akbar, taking into account the gathering of Islamic refugees ... in Deutschland and nearby ..

[Altona]

I remember-aaa in this regard, the two most powerful German battleships "Tirpitz" and "Bismarck". Well, we know their fate, both went to the bottom without performing any ultra-useful actions, unlike the German submarines.

[twincam]

gives a signal to charge torpedo tubes)))

[NEXUS]

Inok10,

Nexus - a troll - of the purest water! .

Well, finally I became famous.

[kirgiz58]

"Braunschweiskaya" is my favorite raw smoked sausage, and corvetik will probably be the most favorite "food" for our sailors.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Proxima

BUT NOT FOR THE SAME PRICE!

My friend, the Americans can afford anything for a long time living in debt and can print money indefinitely. And the whole world is investing in their bonds

[NordUral]

It’s time for grandmother to bang bangs and grow a mustache. The end will be the same. But I am sure that the German people will not repeat the mistakes of the 20th century and will not fight with us, but will cooperate.

[Krabik]

The German people are the same as the Ukrainian and any other people.
The shepherd will drive the flock to slaughter and they will go screaming high Merkel to the attack and they will sacredly believe that the Russians are not people, but animals in the guise of people.

PS
This I myself came up with about the guise, and did not quote from the Torah, so that you are not fascist Jews, everything is fine;)

[Caretaker]

In the Baltic Sea, during WWII, the "mosquito fleet" and submarines were mainly operating. This is not to say that we do not need corvettes and frigates, but that aviation and coastal complexes, plus a strong air defense system, can become a sufficient weighty compensation for the fleet of adversaries in the Baltic. By the way, from the side of the enemy too, the main threat is aviation, ammo and coastal air defense systems.

In the Gulf of Finland, a frigate or destroyer is not a tenant for several hours.

[Wolka]

Yes, they didn’t give birth to the Fritz new Bismarck and Tirpitz, they shredded, and the flight of thoughts is not the same

[NEXUS]

mav1971,

Andrew!
Are you this? :)
Urya-patriots even "got" you?

Lesha, yes got it, honestly ... I understand when a healthy patriotism and joy for the military achievements of his state. And here, after all, in the catastrophic state of affairs in the fleets, this empty crowing got about giving a PLAN 25 YEARS FOR ONE FIVE-YEAR! Moreover, they refuse to see the truth at all.

[Jubilee]

while laying, while building ...
and the Iskander are ready

[NEXUS]

Quote: Anniversary

while laying, while building ...
and the Iskander are ready

And where are you going to shoot the Iskander? In Germany? And if the answer arrives? And there the third world war is just around the corner ... why should you think about your children, right? They can live in a broken-down world, if they still survive ... so do you think?

[Alex777]

Inok10,
Добрый день. Наткнулся на еще один вопрос:

Will you design a twin gearbox? We don’t have such a gearbox. And in general, the SSEU will no longer be
I decipher: we will no longer have gas-gas-turbine power plants with afterburner and marching gas turbines (COGAG). There will be only diesel - gas turbine or pure gas turbine (all-mode).
Why gearbox for what will not happen?

Can you somehow comment, if not a secret, of course?

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

Can you somehow comment, if not a secret, of course?

... повторюсь, хоть в другой ветке и ответил ...
- редукторами занимается "Звезда" Питер - все компетенции их
- системы управления "Аврора" Питер - еще с Советских времен их вотчина
... вот дался Вам этот "Зоря-Машпроект" ... стенд у них был и горячую часть газогенератор и турбину высокого давления делали там ... единственный стенд где можно было погонять в сборе все вместе с редуктором ... теперь есть в Рыбинске ... горячую часть тоже развернули в Рыбинске ... редукторы, редукторы ... даже в Советские времена в Николаеве делали только корпус и зубчатые колеса редукторов, вся ходовая делалась на Калужском турбинном и Кировском заводах этих редукторов ...