Moscow may consider supplying Ankara with Russian missile defense systems

Russia may consider the issue of supplying missile defense systems to Turkey, reports RIA News the message of the press secretary of the president of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

“I would not articulate it this way, but, indeed, issues related to cooperation in the field of military-technical cooperation were on the agenda of contacts between Putin and Erdogan, various missile defense systems were mentioned. In the case of the desire of the Turkish side, Russia may consider the possibility of supplying them to Turkey in different variations ", - said Sands.

Earlier, a representative of the Erdogan administration said that during the visit of Vladimir Putin to Turkey, the heads of the two countries discussed the issue of Russia's participation in the creation of a national missile defense system of the republic.

“This is such a purely commercial issue, a very sensitive area of ​​cooperation,” added Peskov.

Comments

[katalonec2014]

As has already been written more than once, the S-300 systems are in service with many countries, so the supply of the S-300 to Turkey will not change anything, but will make money.

[Muvka]

Greece, like the NATO countries, has, and for a long time ...

[OLD FART]

Israel is in shock ..))))) Although Peskov says that this is a purely commercial move ... How to know, how to know ..

[User]

This is such a purely commercial matter.

If the matter concerns AME, then it cannot be exclusively commercial, this is not selling bananas, there may be consequences, especially if the talk about Turkey, which at the moment has occupied the territories of Syria and Iraq and generally behaves inappropriately, a sort of "exclusive regional power" , USA in miniature. Anyway, the whole thing is somehow dark.
PS They say money is not the main thing in life, but as you look, everything is bought, everything is sold.

[Monos]

Quote: User

They say money is not the main thing in life, but as you look, everything is bought, everything is sold.

Not all. Immortality of the Soul cannot be bought.

[hrych]

Quote: Monos

Not all. Immortality of the Soul cannot be bought.

But what about indulgences?

[Monos]

Quote: hrych

But what about indulgences?

As well as thimbles. Cheating. Cheating.

[NIKNN]

The feeling that we are getting rid of 300tok in favor of 500k ....
Only we ourselves are far from everything is closed ....

[elmi]

I believe that air defense systems should not be supplied to Turkey, because there is no guarantee that our former weapons will not turn against us (unless of course there are no bookmarks) Russia often fought with Turkey and it would be naive to wait from it, especially in light of recent events with our plane shot down .

[aleksfill]

Israel is not in shock at all. Israel has long worked out the S-300 purchased from Cyprus by Greece.

[hrych]

Quote: aleksfill

Israel has long worked S-300

So what did you do? Well, radar, well, seeker, the frequency of radiation changes. What did he do? Has the plane made it invisible again? Work it out, do not work it out, the principle is simple, you irradiate the target with a radar, you receive a reflected signal, calculate the coordinates, send an anti-aircraft missile to the calculated point, it captures the target with its seeker with radar or IR, or combined and that's it, there is no birdie. Whether buying or capturing an enemy air defense system gives something, I repeat, modern systems have tunable frequencies, and codes, for example, "friend or foe", army "gp es" and, accordingly, "glonass" are important. And the "codes" are the "codes" that are constantly changing

[parkello]

yes well)) what could they work there? over 12 years, these systems fired one shot at a total UAV last year. what could they work out when the S-300 was disassembled for 12 years? and who will let them work out something, and even in Greece?

[Bath]

But hne is angry. We will not forget - we will not forgive, we do not need the Turkish coast and a stab in the back from accomplices of terrorists))))) the conjuncture has changed it’s time to row the money and the hens are said not to smell

[aleksfill]

The Greeks bought the S-300 from Cyprus, Russia did not supply Greece.

[parkello]

you will probably be very surprised if I tell you that Cyprus and Greece have the same army. here the Cypriots have the same rights as the Helladites, in the army they serve by choice. who wants to serve at home, who does not want to serve in the general army. the same for us. we can safely ask to serve in Cyprus. because Cyprus is also part of Greece, and not some Cypriots live there, but Greeks. yes ... and they handed over the S-300 to us, but did not resell it.

[Inok10]

Quote: aleksfill

rivers bought S-300 from Cyprus, Russia did not deliver to Greece.

... the owners of the S-300 - Cyprus, the location of the island of Crete, Greece ...

Quote: parkello

you will probably be very surprised if I tell you that Cyprus and Greece have the same army. here the Cypriots have the same rights as the Helladites, in the army they serve by choice. who wants to serve at home, who does not want to serve in the general army.

... my regards ... ... absolutely right ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: katalonec2014

As has already been written more than once, the S-300 systems are in service with many countries, so the supply of the S-300 to Turkey will not change anything, but will make money.

S-300 - this is not missile defense, but air defense! ABM is S-500. The article mixed up something. Maybe we are talking about air defense?

[parkello]

depending on what modifications the S-300. if the PMU is still air defense, and if B ... then this is already AND missile defense too. but the S-400 is just that purely air defense, and the S-500 in general is still only a sample. and not adopted. of those systems that are adopted by the S-300V4 and is a component of missile defense.

[Inok10]

Quote: parkello

depending on what modifications the S-300. if the PMU is still air defense, and if B ... then this is already AND missile defense too.

... it all depends on what we hit ... what ballistic goals ... the OTRK, small, medium or ICBMs ... it's all different ... the old S-300PT was able to work on everything except ICBMs ... so C -300 is both missile defense and air defense ... S-400 has the ability to hit targets at a speed of up to 4800 m / s ... draw your own conclusions ... ...

[parkello]

and what should I draw conclusions, brother Inok? I already know what complex is capable of what. on ICBMs in general, the A-225s work with a vigorous loaf in their pocket. I wrote this very thing there above for a friend of the SRTs P-15. that it depends on what modification of the S-300 is still. and what missiles it has in containers. The S-400 is an excellent complex, I do not belittle it at all, but the S-300V4 is a specially sharpened complex against CD, OTRK and medium-range missiles. Of course, he can work on planes, but it's like ... where you can give them a machine gun, it is not at all necessary to shoot from a 125 mm tank gun. something like that in my understanding. The S-300V4 also works perfectly against unobtrusive targets such as "invisible ponte" aircraft using STELS technologies. because their reflection is essentially equal to the reflection of the CD. and yet this complex can work in conjunction with all other air defense systems and receive control commands from satellites. and here's another ... the S-400 missiles are the same as on the S-300. so they essentially have the same capabilities. it's just that the S-400's radar illuminates targets for missiles a little further. and the missiles are the same. one launcher can have 4 completely different missiles. both on the GOS and the height of work. GOS are different. 4 types it is like this ... whip up ... semi-active, active, with a laser channel, with two channels at once, with infrared and semi-active inertial ... there are a lot of these heads. Konashenkov, as it were, hinted about this in his briefing that for some unidentified aircraft, the range of the S-300 complex could become an unpleasant surprise.

[PSih2097]

Quote: SRC P-15

Quote: katalonec2014

As has already been written more than once, the S-300 systems are in service with many countries, so the supply of the S-300 to Turkey will not change anything, but will make money.

S-300 - this is not missile defense, but air defense! ABM is S-500. The article mixed up something. Maybe we are talking about air defense?

ABM is already S-300V (VM, V4) and S-400, true for RSD, but nonetheless ...

[vovanpain]

“This is such a purely commercial matter, a very sensitive area of ​​cooperation

That's for sure, only then you don’t need to talk about the knife in the back, which we’ll stick with our own hands.

[katalonec2014]

In any case, this is only an offer to participate in the tender, not the fact that we will win it, so it's too early to be happy or upset.

[hrych]

Quote: vovanpain

That's for sure, only then you don’t need to talk about the knife in the back, which we’ll stick with our own hands.

After the defeat of Saddam, when the integrated air defense system (French-made) was turned off and the existence of layered defense of the country ceased, many potential buyers of such advanced electronic systems would not take them from potential opponents. According to this, if Erdogan decided to get hooked on our system, we really have a peaceful prospect, he is very grateful to the GDP for saving his life, as well as for children and grandchildren because of a Russian coup d'etat and a coup in Turkey.

[GSH-18]

Moscow may consider supplying Ankara with Russian missile defense systems

I agree, but only with the appropriate "bookmarks".

[GSH-18]

Quote: katalonec2014

, S-300 systems are in service with many countries, so the supply of S-300 to Turkey will not change anything, but it will allow you to earn money.

The main thing is that these systems in the end do not threaten our own aircraft in Latakia.
Turkey is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization; on the contrary, it is a member of the opposing NATO bloc.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: User

especially if we talk about Turkey, which at the moment has occupied the territories of Syria and Iraq and generally behaves inappropriately, a sort of "exclusive regional power", the United States in miniature.

And when did she behave adequately? We are natural historical rivals. We also flooded to the Caucasus, by and large, in order to close our steppe and central regions in the mountain gorges from their creeping expansion. Warlike Circassians, Crimeans, Chechens, former bats, went to the Turkish shores as And even in calm years, Turkey threatened us with the deployment of military bases, and in our neighboring SSRs, actively or not very much, but led subversive work. In the world wars, she showed her face. The truth in the Second World War was sitting like a mouse, but this is due to the fact that really acted wisely (and my allies in Iran and I showed how Turkey could rock the Caucasus. Nevertheless, as in the case of our other "partner" Japan, the USSR, even in the most difficult months, could not leave on the Soviet-Turkish border cordons and a detachment of border guards. They also held reinforcements. The Turks finally showed their true face in the Chechen war and in Karabakh (they pulled army corps to the border and already began to pull from the political tribunesabout intervention. Only a tough ultimatum from our General Staff returned the corps to the barracks. But if the Turks were persistent then and myopia, then they could have turned them into tactical nuclear dust and there would have been no need to discuss anything now
.And the words of Peskov are not entirely clear to me, what could be commercial interest in such a matter as missile defense? And if Peskov wants to start another intrigue on the topic of the Russian tour. Alliance, and so wash the west, even though NATO's official bributeny flips through, it will take an interest in how much combat work is taking place on the Incirlik base and on the radar of illumination they do not let fools go, but there the Americans are doing fine for the joy of both.
The Turkish stream has its own alternatives, so there is no way to put pressure on it. Rather, we ourselves become addicted.
The coast has beguiled, commercial interests can not be higher than the highest security issues, And ABM-air defense is such a question

[Kasym]

All these are Peskov’s fantasies - at the Turkish tender, the Chinese HQ-9 won, but NATO did not ...
That is, first there will be a tender, then "approval" from beyond the hillock.
It is realistic to deliver an air defense system only after Turkey withdraws from NATO.

[the most important]

Quote: katalonec2014

the supply of S-300 Turkey will not change anything, but it will allow you to earn money.

so the Kremlin can immediately sell the Turks ??? or do you still need to remember about the "knife in the back", 13 wars and the downed plane?

[Danil Laryon]

Why explain to me why.

[aleksfill]

What for? Or WHAT to replace? For citrus fruits and tomatoes that continue to be Azeri
Russian markets, where Russians cannot supply their crops grown in fields and household plots, for Turkish textiles destroying the Russian textile industry, for rolling Russian money and currency in Antalya.

[Yak28]

Ours as politicians are mentally ill, until Turkey leaves NATO, it is impossible to have any serious affairs at all, and it’s a crime to sell them weapons

[ltc22A]

Quote: Yak28

Ours as politicians are mentally ill, until Turkey leaves NATO, it is impossible to have any serious affairs at all, and it’s a crime to sell them weapons

Turkey is a NATO country and cannot have weapons of non-NATO origin (USA).
NATO and the USA will cry out: do not buy from Russia, buy from us. We have, although worse, but more expensive.

[VSZMK]

and cannot have weapons of non-NATO origin (USA).

They will issue it to the police. The police can not have NATO weapons (our armored personnel carriers are buying).

[aleksfill]

Our politicians? Would be our politicians if we remembered how many wars were with Turkey over
three hundred years since the time of Peter, who said: - Don’t believe the woman, don’t believe the drunk, don’t believe the Turk.

[Banishing liberoids]

Is this a joke? Can they bomb their fuel trucks together with them? But do not give nuclear weapons for temporary use? Since when did the Turks suddenly become friends with us ????????????

[Xroft]

So that they then downed our planes from s-400?

[OLD FART]

Quote: Xroft

So that they then downed our planes from s-400?

Even if this happens, we will know the nature of their actions and not only ..

[Mountain shooter]

What a good thing! Should a NATO member country supply such advanced missile defense systems as Triumph?
It's more like trolling ... Tomatoes - tomatoes (by the way, we most likely received compensation for Su, but we do not advertise, so as not to "humiliate" sensitive Erdogan, and a reason not to give the media a Sabbath), but our MOST popular weapon is to supply Turkey ? Although, to promise does not mean to marry ...

[Muvka]

Poke me in the place where it says about the S-400. I'm waiting.

[sa-ag]

"It was, it was ..." (C) Directly according to Ecclesiastes :-) There was a similar tender for the supply of the S-300, China interrupted with its cheap analogue, but that was the reason, the knife was pulled out from the back, it was wiped off the jacket and put it in your pocket until next time ...

[win]

until Turkey leaves NATO it can’t have any serious affairs at all,

Not all at once. First, air defense systems, then the Airborne Division to guard Erdogan, and then - exit from NATO and entry into the CSTO.
Oh and the kipzh will rise! ..

[The black]

You can consider it, but is it worth it to deliver? A betrayer once can betray a second

[Former battalion commander]

A betrayer once can betray a second

Clarification: instead of the words "may betray" in your proposal, you must write the word "MANDATORY TO BETRAY".

[Suharik.inline]

In this whole situation, I see only one thing: in this way someone wants to see what we have in this area of ​​the new and how much is new.
We looked, yeah, not that interesting, well, okay or yeah, but this is interesting.
It’s just that commercial interest would not go sideways in terms of technology leakage. I understand that here and there are not fools.
But after reading this news, there was only one thought, they want to buy for analysis.

[katalonec2014]

Quote: Suharik.inline

They want to buy for analysis.

You are aware that Russia put in the nineties one S-300 installation to Washington ... do you think they got acquainted with it?

[cherkas.oe]

I don’t imagine how tightly we made friends with the Turks that we will deliver even A 135 and C-500 to them, or what? Some kind of incomprehensibility, the authors of the note felted toli, the roofing felts .......

[serg2.72]

If you read the note carefully, there is not a word about the complexes known to all. It is about helping to create a system, namely a system, missile defense. It can be anything from strategy and tactics to radar and satellites, etc.

[rotmistr60]

“This is such a purely commercial matter, a very sensitive area of ​​cooperation”

Let's see how the solution to this "purely commercial issue" ends.

[askort154]

GDP with Erdogan trolley USA. Erdogan agreed to participate in our next S-300 in the next tender in Turkey for air defense systems. Last tender
was October 25, 2013 Then three companies participated:
- "Raytheon" with the "Patriot" air defense system - USA,
- "Eurosam" with the "SAMP / T" air defense system - Italian-French,
- "CPMIC" with long-range air defense system "FD-2000" - Chinese.
The Turks decided to conclude an agreement with the Chinese (because of the price). To which the Americans responded instantly, citing NATO standards. The Turks "refused" the deal with China. Now, knowingly knowing the reaction of the USA, GDP and Erdogan
made a loud joint statement. We will "look".

[minus]

If they deliver something, it will be different from the systems that are in service with us. Plus, in advance, you can implement in the design means to counter when attacking our objects.

[Polite Moose]

If Peskov's statement is not a trolling of the West, but the real intentions of Moscow, then I still don't think that the supply of the S-300 will be beyond reasonable. I am almost sure that the issue of supplying an export (cut) version of the system is being considered. With "bookmarks" from unfriendly use. And if our newly acquired friend (almost a brother), in exchange for the supply of the S-300, together with tomatoes and dates, will also give us the codes for the NATO recognition system "Friend or Foe", then with great pleasure I will look at the massive ejection from the window of everyone there Brzezinski, Biden, McKane and others hysterics.
PS And you can't do without the transfer of codes. Imagine a Turkish air defense officer who is accustomed to the fact that on the indicator of the Pedriota radar, his own are green, and the enemies are red. And in the S-300, the opposite is true. he can confuse something with an ustatka.

[alexmach]

I don’t know who they planned to troll there, but along the way, I think they troll their own people hardest. No, everything is clear that normal relations are needed with Turkey, Russia is interested in this. To develop some kind of economic relationship -
This is a good foundation for a normal stable relationship. Agreed on something in Syria - well done too. You also need to travel somewhere to the warm seas (there really is something blowing up all the time ...). But to transfer weapons, while advanced to the country half a year ago, having shot down our plane? Are you out of your mind then? Arms cooperation is, in my opinion, the highest measure of trust between countries, and not a commercial issue. Especially with a neighboring country. Did you get to the highest level of confidence so quickly?

[mr.redpartizan]

No arms sales to hostile countries, only neutrals and allies. The whole history of relations between the countries tells us that Turkey is a centuries-old enemy of Russia, like the Germans and the Anglo-Saxons. S-300/400 can and should be delivered to India, China, Iran, North Korea (if paid), Indonesia, Vietnam, Algeria, Egypt.

[avg-mgn]

When commercial interest does not give a sound look at the politico-military sense of action, this is not good. Turkey is not a partner, but a cunning and treacherous foe. No way !!!

[BOB044]

It turns out that Russia can show the US nevermind. That's good.

[jetfors_84]

In such matters, it’s important not to make money, but to get political benefits from it

[nik1321]

what a short memory ... and an immense thirst for profit .. it seems that the current leader will step on this rake more than once ...

[akudr48]

Turkey will not buy any serious weapons from Russia, except, for example, hunting carbines.

all this is just a PR game and no more.

but the hearing caresses, how come the Turks are going to buy S-300 from us ...

[Evil 55]

Great caution is needed in dealing with fools and Ottomans. For their instability is known, and corruption is great ..

[afrikanez]

But Turkey really needs our missile defense missiles ???? I doubt it very much, after all, Turkey is a member of NATO.

[Praetorian4]

Just yesterday our plane was shot down. In honor of the deceased, even the street was named, the hero was given .. how much noise there was, and now some negotiations are in progress about the supply of missile defense. This, in general, what does it mean? Some nonsense.

[weksha50]

"Moscow may consider the possibility of supplying Ankara with Russian missile defense systems"...

But is it for us - is it necessary?

"This is such a purely commercial issue, a very sensitive area of ​​cooperation.""...

That's right, very sensitive ... Commerce should not slow down the activity of the brain ... Moreover, with such a "businessman" as Erdogan ...

[Holoy]

Bumblebee Again ... Why Arm a Potential Enemy? In the Kremlin, the campaign lost touch with Reality ...

[Former battalion commander]

Well okay! Now the Turks will shoot down Russian planes without even raising aircraft into the sky! I pressed the button and the REGULAR drying was knocked down ... What and how do Russian "strategists" generally think? THE ETERNAL enemy of Russia - Turkey, a member of the NATO ENEMY Russia, will be armed with Russian weapons! Fiction! Despite the fact that to the REQUEST of an ally of Belarus to SELL (!) These complexes for the protection of the COMMON airspace, there was NO OPPORTUNITY (!?). There is an OPPORTUNITY to the enemy to sell (!), But to the ally there is NO OPPORTUNITY! Hence the question! Russian leadership WHO DOES REALITY WORK FOR?

[viktor.]

Quote: katalonec2014

As has already been written more than once, the S-300 systems are in service with many countries, so the supply of the S-300 to Turkey will not change anything, but will make money.

Turks have no faith. they have seven Fridays in the week it is better to control them with our air defense

[dzerzhinsky]

Russia may consider the delivery of missile defense systems to Turkey, RIA Novosti reports the press secretary of Russian President Dmitry Peskov.

Great news! Then it will be more convenient for the Turks to shoot down our planes - one is not enough. After all, shooting down our plane with our own rocket is a class!
It seems that some of our next "leading" cretin in the government has completely lost his mind. If only to grab and grab money. Mouth and ass.
But Peskov would be nice to look into the eyes of relatives and friends of the deceased pilots before saying this.

[Evgeniy667b]

The stupidity and greed of our power continues to break records! And they immediately sing along on the VO website. This is a business, money will come to Russia. Isn't that brainwashed? Washed and how! So they signed the S-400 Indians ... Only the money will not go to strengthen the defense, but for specific pockets, pah-bank accounts.

[Dusseldorf]

So comrades are doing everything right , time you gentlemen so come to the bile!

[Dusseldorf]

Quote: Gastat

Quote: hrych

Quote: Gastat

You should have a shock

Here you have to have a shock. The Russian Federation will decide for the sake of good relations to merge you and in a few days there will be no Yerevan. That is the difference between superpowers, regional and the rest of the small fry

You don’t have full info, Hrych, Russia tried to merge Armenia, supplying Azerbaijan with the latest weapons and delaying the supply of weapons to Armenia. All this resulted in the April war, when the Azeris would have at least chopped off several villages and at least one small town from the Armenians. in Karabakh. And the essence of this Russian-Azerbaijani plan is to make a blitzkrieg in a few days, put Armenia and Karabakh in a difficult position, then the sergeik himself will come running to the Russians and scream for help. And Moscow put forward the conditions- 5-6 you give the regions around Karabakh to Azerbaijan, we are introducing Russian troops at the places of contact between the troops of Armenians and Azeris and all the tiptops for Russians are Azeris for these 5-6 districts will enter the CSTO and EurAsEC, I will glorify Putin for some time, and the Armenians literally find themselves in a fist with Russia. But all this cunning Russian-Azerbaijani plan crashed on the staunchness and courage of a simple Armenian soldier who died in trenches but didn’t run. the axis was to capture a single living soldier, they got their dead bodies, over which your proteges abused and the most shameful, put their shame on social networks. So, Khrych, you Russians already tried to merge the Armenians.
By the way, after Putin’s recent visit to Turkey and a meeting there with Erdogan and Aliyev, the Turkish Foreign Minister stated that Turkey, Russia and Azerbaijan agreed on the Karabakh problem and solved it! Armenia SHOULD give Azerbaijan 5 districts around Karabakh! What time! Russians solve their problems in Turkey at the expense of Armenia. But is this Putin’s next cunning plan burned out? Just like that, even such a six as a serzhik will not risk 5 districts to give Aliyev without receiving a shovel handle in the ass.

Trolls and "widows of Armenian officers" have become more active. In the State Department there is a campaign for them for all occasions ... . Well, people work, of course ...

[Dusseldorf]

Quote: Dzerzhinsky

Russia may consider the delivery of missile defense systems to Turkey, RIA Novosti reports the press secretary of Russian President Dmitry Peskov.

Great news! Then it will be more convenient for the Turks to shoot down our planes - one is not enough. After all, shooting down our plane with our own rocket is a class!
It seems that some of our next "leading" cretin in the government has completely lost his mind. If only to grab and grab money. Mouth and ass.
But Peskov would be nice to look into the eyes of relatives and friends of the deceased pilots before saying this.

But this is already generally designed for suckers, because, as you, sir, are well aware that these systems are not designed to work on our aircraft.

[Phosgene]

Where is the FSB looking ?! It doesn’t seem to you. What is arming a NATO country that most recently destroyed the Russian Air Force’s aircraft with Russian weapons, all the more new types, is treason?

[Alexeika1984]

I think so too

[razved]

Erdogan does not miss a chance to annoy more heavily with ushaniya.

[complete zero]

there was an attempt to develop a helicopter for the Turkish air force (it had already been developed), but it didn’t go on sale ... the Americans blocked ... it will be here

[Alexeika1984]

I would not trust Erdogan would send against us then this is about or merges the principles of the mechanism to Amer

[Vodila]

Class !!! Let's all of NATO put our S-300,400,500 systems for the sake of dough and we will wipe our aircraft with rags on the ground.

[saltickov.]

You can immediately see who approves, but there’s nothing special to equip a NATO partner, and he will shoot you with these weapons again. Of course, nothing personal is just a business. After all, secret technologies how to trade them are a direct threat to our security.

[Spartanez300]

It would be the stupidest deal in history, Turkey has never been and never will be a friend of Russia at any time they will betray and hit in the back.

[Scorpio05]

And who is Russia's friend (besides the notorious army and navy), maybe China?) There are situational partners, let's say, who have forgotten their long-term plans for a while (in fact, they took Damansky). Claiming to be an affectionate big brother ... There are hangers and parasites sucking the Russian tit, but who do not forget to burn the Russian tricolor on occasion, spit on it and swear at the Russian leadership (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjBK- U1Y8U0 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb7ZfNTjs3s) ... Interesting Armenian know-how, Burn, offend state symbols and the top leadership of the Russian Federation, attack military personnel from the Gyumrinsky base ... and get Iskanders for all this ... Honestly "fellows" Armenians ... And Russia probably deserved such "allies" ...

[Scorpio05]

By the way, in no case do I urge, like the Armenians, to burn, insult state symbols and state figures. For me (as for most of my compatriots) these concepts are untouchable. I speak without any pathos. I am simply surprised at the sleight of hand of the allied RF equilibrists and almost no fraud ... almost))

[carbofo]

Bad idea, they are gay, and it’s better not to sell anything like that.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: Gastat

Quote: hrych

Quote: Gastat

You should have a shock

Here you have to have a shock. The Russian Federation will decide for the sake of good relations to merge you and in a few days there will be no Yerevan. That is the difference between superpowers, regional and the rest of the small fry

You don’t have full info, Hrych, Russia tried to merge Armenia, supplying Azerbaijan with the latest weapons and delaying the supply of weapons to Armenia. All this resulted in the April war, when the Azeris would have at least chopped off several villages and at least one small town from the Armenians. in Karabakh. And the essence of this Russian-Azerbaijani plan is to make a blitzkrieg in a few days, put Armenia and Karabakh in a difficult position, then the sergeik himself will come running to the Russians and scream for help. And Moscow put forward the conditions- 5-6 you give the regions around Karabakh to Azerbaijan, we are introducing Russian troops at the places of contact between the troops of Armenians and Azeris and all the tiptops for Russians are Azeris for these 5-6 districts will enter the CSTO and EurAsEC, I will glorify Putin for some time, and the Armenians literally find themselves in a fist with Russia. But all this cunning Russian-Azerbaijani plan crashed on the staunchness and courage of a simple Armenian soldier who died in trenches but didn’t run. the axis was to capture a single living soldier, they got their dead bodies, over which your proteges abused and the most shameful, put their shame on social networks. So, Khrych, you Russians already tried to merge the Armenians.
By the way, after Putin’s recent visit to Turkey and a meeting there with Erdogan and Aliyev, the Turkish Foreign Minister stated that Turkey, Russia and Azerbaijan agreed on the Karabakh problem and solved it! Armenia SHOULD give Azerbaijan 5 districts around Karabakh! What time! Russians solve their problems in Turkey at the expense of Armenia. But is this Putin’s next cunning plan burned out? Just like that, even such a six as a serzhik will not risk 5 districts to give Aliyev without receiving a shovel handle in the ass.

French historian Marc Ferro: The works of Armenian writers “present a very naive, clear vision of history; good and evil people, traitors and heroes act in it. Armenia, which has suffered defeats many times, eagerly extols its history and gives it a bright image of martyrdom. Dismembered, ruined, subjected to persecution, first of all by the Turks, excluded from the number of states, creates its own history on the verge of a golden legend. Giants and heroes act in it, who break the bones of lions, break the ribs of bulls. One can hardly imagine that such a nation can suffer defeats and lose statehood. However, in the Benedictine textbooks [we are talking about a manual on Armenian history for children published by the Armenian Benedictine monks in Venice in 1979] the misfortunes of Armenians are depicted so skillfully and sincerely that you finally cease to understand when Armenia was actually independent, and when foreigners dominated there ... The legend in this book is interwoven with reality, even when it comes to periods well developed by science. ”

[Scorpio05]

You have good Armenian fairy tales ... The main thing is that you yourself believe in them. They say that the "valiant" Armenians stopped the advance of the Azerbaijanis, defeating them, frustrating them and the Russians' plans to return the regions))) And what does Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan, the most authoritative military expert in Armenia, say? ... “In my opinion, our media are covering incorrectly these events. They say that these are aggressive, large-scale actions of Azerbaijan against Armenia. And not only they, say the officials, the Ministry of Defense, etc., ”Ter-Tadevosyan noted, stressing that in reality the Azerbaijani side set other goals.

“The enemy had a goal to find out where our forces and means are. What are our opportunities ... And they achieved their goal. To the host’s question, did Azerbaijan achieve its goal, the Major General answered in the affirmative.
“Reached, reached. This is called reconnaissance in battle. So it is known in military affairs, ”he said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oxVEaJBFJA

[KCA]

I’m personally interested in this question - export SAMs should be tuned to the buyer's defendant, who does it? Buyer himself? Yes, even if he himself, the options for removing codes are probably sewn into the complexes, i.e. Buying from us air defense systems, the buyer hands over all of its air force?

[aiden]

Still study. And the campaign knew that it could fly