Viktor Bondarev: VKS RF will receive the first five T-50 in 2017

The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, announced that the first fighters of the new generation T-50 (PAK FA) will start joining the RF Aerospace Force next year. Interfax cites the statement of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Force:

Next year we will complete its (5-generation fighter) test. In this contract, the first five aircraft are included in the contract price. Therefore, next year we will start receiving these first five aircraft.

According to Viktor Bondarev, further large-scale mass production of these newest combat aircraft will begin with deliveries to the airborne units.

Victor Bondarev:

We do not stop receiving Su-35, Mi-28, Ka-52. In addition, we will receive upgraded equipment Tu-95 and Tu-160, which show excellent performance.

The first flight of the PAK FA in 2010 took place in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. For six years, the aircraft was significantly improved, found the latest on-board control system, not only the flight, but also weapons. At the moment, according to the manufacturer, six flight prototypes have been created, which are necessary for the tests, taking into account the observations from the flight crew in terms of operational characteristics.

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[hirurg]

The news is good today.

[Rozmyssel]

with new engines or what?

[cniza]

This is what happens with the engines, when we stop depending on a third party and get a breakthrough in engines.

[Voyager]

Who is the third party in this matter?

[Koshak]

Quote: cniza

This is what happens with the engines, when we stop depending on a third party and get a breakthrough in engines.

And on whom do we depend on engines for PAK FA?

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Koshak

And on whom do we depend on engines for PAK FA?

he finds it difficult to answer

[Koshak]

Quote: _Vladislav_

he finds it difficult to answer

Exactly. As the Russian proverb says: "I crowed, and there - at least don't dawn"

[ohtandur]

Now it's a pity that you can't put a minus. And do not even complain to remove this nonsense. Admin and VO on a note - this content is not good for the resource, here I do not agree with Roman about "you are holding on there."

[ava09]

From ourselves and our occupation economy ...

[andrewkor]

Are you a Chinese, dependent on a "third party" for dviguns?

[aleksfill]

The industry announced the readiness of a new engine for the PAK FA fighter

The engine of the second stage for the T-50 fighter (PAK FA) is ready. This was announced by TASS General Director of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant Alexander Pekarsh.

“The engine of the second stage is ready, it works. The tests are going according to plan, ”Pekars said.

At the moment, the T-50 aircraft undergoing tests fly on the AL-41F1 intermediate engine (“product 117”), created as part of the Demon Design and Design Bureau and similar in design to the Su-35S fighter engine.

[Rozmyssel]

Quote: aleksfill

OCD "Demon

what kind of "demon" is this? Did you come up with it yourself?

[Tibidokh]

Quote: aleksfill

The second stage engine is ready, running

Quote: aleksfill

T-50s undergoing tests fly on an intermediate engine

It turns out that he’s not ready. I would be ready, would have tested on the T-50.

[Nick]

Quote: Thought

with new engines or what?

Naturally with new ones, not with used ones. New engine of the first stage, product AL-41F1. The second stage engine, the so-called "Product 30", is currently undergoing bench tests. Testing of the second stage engine with installation on an experimental T-50 is planned to begin in 2017. Only after flight tests and modifications "Product 30" will be installed on production models

[katalonec2014]

Quote: hirurg

The news is good today.

Pleased, of course pleased, as it is clear from the article a series of 12 cars will not be limited.

[lelikas]

If I understood him correctly - we are talking about those machines that are already built and are being tested right now.

[Skubudu]

no, these are prototypes, they cannot be adopted

[n0isy]

1. Not only prototypes are tested, but also a pilot series.
2. Prototypes can be converted into a pilot series with a stroke of the pen.
If I made a mistake, please correct.

[Voyager]

Wrong. The vast majority of prototypes are made, so to speak, on the knee. In various configurations, with varied corrections in gliders, entrails, and with different (most important) installation methods for certain nodes. Maintenance of such devices, structurally different from the serial ones, will come to a standstill in the future.

[prorab_ak]

We bet on a bottle (you can also soda, and then write that you don’t drink .... here on the site directly the dominance of athletes ), what exactly will they be? Yes, and with engines from the 35th
Here you can still crucify for a long time about the statements of Bondarev, apparently related to the parallel universe .... yes, what is the point

[Voyager]

I don’t drink soda, but I bet on a bottle of a different content. PAK FA flies with AL-41F1 engines (product 117). Pass the test ed. 30 - engines of the 2nd stage. What side did the engines of the 35th find here?

[Nick]

Quote: prorab_ak

We bet on a bottle (you can also soda, and then write that you don’t drink .... here on the site directly the dominance of athletes

And you would not be in danger of fulfilling the rules of the TRP ...
And the dviglo from Su 35 has slightly less traction and other controls. Compared with AL-41F1, it is somewhat simpler, but the basis for both engines is the same, yes.

[evil partisan]

Well, they survived ... until PAK YES would have lived ...

[Rash]

And there, up to PAK GZ (hypersonic), and there ... another 100 years would be nice!

[Magic archer]

I hope to see them soon in the northern sky of the Kola Peninsula! A beautiful and necessary plane!

[Nevsky_ZU]

Viktor Bondarev announced that the first fighters of the new generation T-50 (PAK FA) will start joining the Russian Aerospace Forces next year.

Is it immediately with the engine of the second stage? I would like to...

[sergeyzzz]

There is no engine of the 2nd stage yet. Here's a serial engine with a Su-35.

[siberalt]

Let's hope that Syria in 2017 is not over yet.

[the most important]

Quote: siberalt

Let's hope that Syria in 2017 is not over yet.
Reply Quote Complaint More ...

Syria will now be alive for a long time .... but the time has come to end the war and fly already in a peaceful sky!

[svp67]

Quote: siberalt

Let's hope that Syria in 2017 is not over yet.

I would be glad that everything would have ended there yesterday, but life shows that "there was washing" for a long time. The main thing is to have time to resolve the Aleppo issue before Clinton joins the White House

[dmi.pris1]

As a break-in of cars in combat conditions? But tell Oleg, what do you want this meat grinder to continue on there? I don’t want to. Even as a break-in of our systems. Our people die there, do you want this?

[Koshak]

Quote: siberalt

Let's hope that Syria in 2017 is not over yet.

Did you understand that you blurted out? Personally, I did not understand. Are you for the endless war in Syria, or for the cessation of the existence of this country?

[Prapor-527]

Quote: siberalt

Let's hope that Syria in 2017 is not over yet.

"Giggling Doctor" ...

[okko077]

The war in Syria will not end. Our VKS do not know how to conduct network-centric wars. We do not have information and combat systems. Possessing complete domination in the air, we cannot do anything, we do not know how, there are no systems and technical capabilities for this. A modern army in such a small area should see everything. And we do not even have the opportunity to ensure complete control on the approaches to Alepo. Okay, you can hide in the city, but on the approaches to it? And this is a modern army, modern means of reconnaissance, observation and target designation? Once again obos .... But what kind of weapon do we have, only it does not know where to shoot .... Why create new systems if we cannot provide them with information support on the battlefield? Again "ear" on rotten information legs?

[newcomer]

All the same in 17! and then shouted "barely to 20go invested."

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: newbie

All the same in 17! and then shouted "barely to 20go invested."

The question remains, with which engine? I hope not with the AL-41F1 from Su-35 (Item 117С)

[Voyager]

Stop spreading false information! At PAK FA, there have never been, nor will there be engines from the Su-35. Between products 117 and 117С huge difference!

[Gray brother]

Quote: newbie

All the same in 17! and then shouted "barely to 20go invested."

So this factory tests are ending, and the military is just beginning. So, in fact, somewhere it will.
There will be much more to be redone.

[Voyager]

I would not prematurely rejoice. Firstly, the Gray brother has already explained why, secondly, Bondarev himself says too much of the dubious.

[parkello]

Not certainly in that way. by 2020 it will already be in service, and in 2017, serial deliveries of the first 5 boards with engines of the second stage will begin. weapons often enter the army before they are officially taken into service. The same Su-34 entered the army in 2009, and was officially adopted in 2014. this is exactly the same with this dryer. there is only one detail. Su-34 managed to fight before it was adopted, in Georgia in 2008.

[Koshak]

Quote: parkello

Not certainly in that way. by 2020 it will go into service, and in 2017 mass deliveries of the first 5 boards with engines of the second stage will begin

If possible, about the engines of the "second stage", in more detail. As I understand from your remark, the "native" engines for the PAK FA are already ready, or what?

[Voyager]

They are in the iron, pass bench tests.

[newcomer]

Nevsky memory, what difference does it make, if only it would go faster into the series. Gray brother, it’s written the first five planes are included in the price of the contract and will go to Moscow at 17m. Voyager, ... "Bondarev says too much of the dubious." ???

[Voyager]

What surprises you? Earlier in 2015, Bondarev announced that the aircraft will go into production in 2016, and this is only one example on the topic. If you dig, you can find a lot of high-profile promises.

[newcomer]

you see, or I am conveying my thought incorrectly, or I simply do not understand. I am only happy that the first five cars will go to MILITARY pilots at 17m. they will feel them with their own hands, they will understand what it is in the end. and questions with engines, well, excuse the engines of the first stage, too wow, “bomb”. officially he will go or for military trials it doesn’t matter to me, it doesn’t matter what “doubtful” says Bondarev. all that matters is that finally the military flyers will master this model.

[Voyager]

Well then I will explain to you, because it looks like my subtle hint is not understood. The fact that Bondarev announced the supply of 5 vehicles to the troops in 2017 also means that this will actually happen. (in 2017) Hence the conclusion and return to the beginning of the conversation -> Do not rejoice prematurely.

[Koshak]

Quote: Voyager

What surprises you? Earlier in 2015, Bondarev announced that the aircraft will go into production in 2016, and this is only one example on the topic. If you dig, you can find a lot of high-profile promises.

Well, so dig, and publish. Everything else looks like "one grandmother said" or "an unnamed source who wished to remain anonymous." "Quotes in the studio", as they say.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Koshak

Well, so dig, and publish. Everything else looks like "one grandmother said" or "an unnamed source who wished to remain anonymous." "Quotes in the studio", as they say

Kindergarten. Here's a quote from Bondarev, and not even about 2016, but about 2015.
http://vz.ru/news/2013/3/4/623017.html
"Serial deliveries to the troops of the fifth generation T-50 fighters (Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation, PAK FA) will begin in 2015," Lieutenant General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force (Air Force), said on Monday, adding that production issues have already worked out ".

[Voyager]

They say. Is the example you brought me not enough for you? You will find the rest, not small.

[svp67]

Today is some Day of Russian Aviation

[Dryuya2]

Quote: svp67

Today is some Day of Russian Aviation

a bit more
=====
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/532482
"Russian Knights" received four Su-30SM fighters
Moscow. October 14. INTERFAX.RU - The aerobatic group "Russian Knights" has received four super-maneuverable Su-30SM fighters from the Irkut corporation, Interfax was told by the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Defense Ministry.
The press officer noted that the Russian Knights squadron will be retrained in the future to use this modern technology.
"By the end of 2016, Irkut will hand over to the Russian Knights a second batch of Su-30SM fighters in the amount of four aircraft," the representative of the Russian Defense Ministry emphasized.
As for the Russian Aerospace Forces, military pilots will annually receive 20-24 Su-30SM super-maneuverable fighters.
“We buy these planes every year, practically we will receive up to a regiment of planes, that is, 20-24 per year,” said the commander-in-chief of the troops, Viktor Bondarev.
According to him, in the next 10-15 years this plane "will not be equal in the world."

[uskrabut]

The first PAK FAs are likely to go to training centers (Lipetsk). We must first train the instructors, and then parallel to the training of combat pilots and the saturation of the VKS equipment.

[Damir]

engines ... engines still need to put new !!! and of course the news is good !!!!

[Holoy]

Avionics is troubling. Avionics has always lagged behind us ... There are no questions to Geometry and to the engine ...

[Genry]

The information management system will be implemented at the PAK FA in 2016, and from 2017 on drones ...
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160302/1382896776
.html # ixzz41kvcwWwW

[The leader of the Redskins]

It won't be long to wait. Just over a year. December 2017 will show how our commander-in-chief is able to keep his word, or so - "the man gave his word, the man took the word" ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It won't be long to wait. Just over a year. December 2017 will show how our commander-in-chief is able to keep his word, or so - "the man gave his word, the man took the word" ...

Under capitalism, PR is everything, but reality is nothing. So it’s not wise to catch Bondarev on a lie.
However, pre-production aircraft will indeed go in 2017. Perhaps not 5, but less, but in 2017.
Another thing is that they will be on combat duty (according to the American initial operational readiness) somewhere in 2020. But the main thing is that the process is underway.

[Voyager]

Quote: lelikas

If I understood him correctly - we are talking about those machines that are already built and are being tested right now.

No

[cheburator]

The news is good, but it’s time to launch the conveyor for a long time - the enemy is not asleep!

[V.ic]

Quote: cheburator

it's time to start the conveyor

Conveyor means large-scale production. The production of aircraft is still small-scale, because from series to series designers improve product performance. It’s only the Bald Corn that squealed that in the USSR rockets are made like sausages.

[azer]

Finally. Another headache for mattresses.

[sandroart]

Yes, what a pain there, 35y covers it according to the main parameter - the quantity

[Voyager]

In addition to the aircraft itself, with its already assembled, but not run-in new engines of the 2nd stage, it will still take a long time to mess around. The same questions about the new weapons will hang for a long time, but as they say, the road will be overpowered by the one going. I hope the MO will not compromise for the sake of cost and early adoption.
Moreover, the Su-35 is a wonderful car. Probably the best for today that is created in fighter aircraft are supplied. I hope to continue their orders for a long time to be extended.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Voyager

Moreover, the Su-35 is a wonderful car. Probably the best for today that is created in fighter aircraft are supplied. I hope to continue their orders for a long time to be extended.

In my opinion, it’s wiser to finally catch the aiming container and increase the production of the Su-30 in Irkutsk, while Komsomolsk will completely concentrate on the T-50. And convert the Falcon under the T-50.
Su-35 (like MiG-35) planes, alas, lost their time.

[Voyager]

Why? In my opinion, the Su-35 is technically more advanced than the Su-30, which is currently being manufactured in Irkutsk.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Voyager

In my opinion, the Su-35 is technically more advanced than the Su-30, which is currently being manufactured in Irkutsk.

The Irbis is certainly more powerful than Barca, but with the real range of missile launch that there is a difference in the detection line, it is not so important. And most importantly, the double Su-30 (with a container) is more suitable for working on the ground.
If we are talking about a fighter of air supremacy, then the T-50 with a low ESR and the best avionics has a significant advantage over the Su-35.
Plus, the production of the Su-30 in Irkutsk has been worked out, while in Komsomolsk, things are not going so smoothly with the Su-35, and they plan to produce an even more complex T-50 there.
In total, the T-50 is more suitable as a "fighter of the first day of the war", in the production of which after 2020 it is more logical to concentrate all forces in Komsomolsk, while the Su-30 is more suitable for a more massive multipurpose fighter.

[Voyager]

I can not agree. The fact that the T-50 will now be the most promising fighter is understandable. Almost all modern Su are suitable for working on the earth, but the 34th is the main burden that is borne by us. As for the 35th, it is more modern than the 30th, its glider and filling will be more powerful, including the same radar (regardless of the range of missile launch, the sooner the enemy is detected, the better). Work was done to improve stealth and avionics. There were problems during the production, but at the moment everything seems to be fine, after almost fifty dollars of the process already completed.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Voyager

. Almost all modern Su are suitable for working on the earth, but the 34th is the main burden that is borne by us.

Without a container, they are nominally suitable (Su-34s pass through a separate column, they change Su-24 bombers). But the single-seat Su-35 is prepared "by air." It is more convenient to use the Su-30 as a multi-role fighter.

Quote: Voyager

Work on improving stealth

There is no significant improvement in the EPR index due to the airframe itself. Maximum RPM coating ..

Quote: Voyager

There were problems during the production, but at the moment everything seems to be fine, after almost fifty dollars of the process already completed.

If the Su-35 is left on the assembly line after 2020, they will take away space from the T-50. As a fighter of air supremacy, we need the T-50 in the largest possible number.
And then the Russian Federation is not the USSR, we cannot now have a fleet of 10 different types of aircraft.
T-50 is a fighter of the first day of the war, Su-30 is a multi-role fighter, Mig-31BM is an interceptor. What will be the function of a large number of Su-35? In our country, and for the sake of supporting the pants of the industry, they are also going to produce Mig-29M2.
We get an absurdly diverse fleet with 80-100 aircraft of each type.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Odyssey

T-50-fighter of the first day of the war, Su-30 multi-role fighter, Mig-31BM-interceptor. What will be the function of a large number of Su-35?

After the first day of the war, other days sometimes occur, also not peaceful.

Quote: Odyssey

As a fighter of supremacy in the air, we need the T-50 in the largest possible number.
.

You divide the cost of a T-50 unit into the budget of the Moscow Region, and many questions will disappear.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Botanologist

You divide the cost of a T-50 unit into the budget of the Moscow Region, and ...

- and what will be the result? That's just interesting
- if you multiply by 100%, you get the percentage of the "MO budget" that goes to the purchase of one T-50. I know for sure

[Odysseus]

Quote: Botanologist

After the first day of the war, other days sometimes occur, also not peaceful.

The meaning of the term is an airplane that must be used to gain air superiority in a war with a high-tech adversary.
I apologize for the showiness of the term.

Quote: Botanologist

You divide the cost of a T-50 unit into the budget of the Moscow Region, and many questions will disappear.

You probably didn’t read the discussion. I am for Komsomolsk’s full focus on the production of the T-50 after 2020. Voyager is for continuing the production of the Su-35 (which is also produced in Komsomolsk). And the Su-35 also costs a lot of money ...
By the way, the cost of one T-50 will decrease in the case of large-scale production.

[seti]

Quote: Thought

with new engines or what?

New engines will come later. Already covered earlier.

[Altona]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Its main drawback is the open engine nacelles, which will not allow to reduce the EPR below 0.5.

-----------------------------
EPR or infrared radiation? Probably the second is more important, since, as I understand it, there are no "cold jackets" yet.

[sandroart]

I got an idea. Collect all the publications here with statements about the receipt of the PAK FA in the troops in the 14,15,16,17 year).

[Phosgene]

According to Wikipedia, 12 Su-50s fly in Russia. In addition, there are several non-flying aircraft that are used for ground testing. It is high time to equip the RF Air Force with new equipment! Enough to kill pilots on old stuff that has long been flying off the required resource!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Skubudu

What they still have to do, just pour the bile ... The full 5th generation of the USA did not dare to sell to the Israelis, there are critical technologies of the 5th generation that are not in the castrated Penguin Fu-35.

And we F-35 is quite happy. By 2028, we plan to have 75 of these machines, largely with Israeli filling. Well, as for envy, there seems to be nothing to envy you, everything is in order with us.

In the first half of 2016, the standard of living of Israelis (private consumption expenditures per capita) increased markedly, its growth rate reached 5.1% per annum. This was announced on Thursday by the Central Bank of Israel.
The report notes that in the first half of 2016, GDP grew at a rate of 3.2% per annum, while spending on private consumption was more than double the GDP growth (7.2% per annum). Particularly strongly increased the cost of Israelis to purchase durable goods (the growth rate of expenditures per capita - 9.9% per annum).
Per capita expenses for food, drinks and tobacco grew, according to the CSB, by 5.3%, but current expenses in general (for food, housing, utilities, etc.) increased not so significantly (2.7% per annum).
The preliminary report of the CSB on the macroeconomic results of the first half of the year is very optimistic: all key indicators indicate accelerated growth after a recession last year.

[Muvka]

And which countries have imposed sanctions against you?

[Voyager]

Nothing personal, but you are happy with the 35th only because you can’t get anything else in your hands. Do you freely talk about the T-50 EPR, but are you happy with the 35th with all its jambs? This is not even funny.

[Skubudu]

[quote = Aron Zawi] [quote = Skubudu]
What else can they do, just pour the bile ... The full 5th generation of the USA did not dare to sell to the Israelis, there are critical technologies of the 5th generation that are not in the neutered Penguin Fu-35. [/ Quote]
And we are quite happy with the F-35.
[/ quote] [/ quote]

You are cunning ... Like Japan and Australia, Israel claimed the F-22, but the Americans refused to buy the F-22 because of the risk of theft of fifth-generation technologies, offering an airplane that looks like a fifth-generation airplane, which essentially not.

[MMX]

Again, these matrices about GDP indicators ... Nobody can explain how they (these indicators) specifically affect the welfare of citizens of a particular country for one simple reason: in any way, since GDP is needed as an objective criterion for assessing the state economy , and even that is relative (there are many options for calculating GDP, depending on the subject who is conducting the assessment).
Well, in the context of cost increases ... what is that rzhu)))

[Green trumpet]

I'd like to see the engines of the second stage, especially the nozzles) In general, the news is good! I personally would like the nozzles of the fifty kopeck engines to look like in the photo ...

[Green trumpet]

Initially, in this picture, the T-50 was depicted with nozzles from the "117C" engines. I replaced them with flat nozzles, which I painted in Paint.

[cedar]

A wonderful plane! Let it be five, "dashing trouble is the beginning." Give it fifty.

[Penzyac]

Quote: sandroart

Yes, what a pain there, 35y covers it according to the main parameter - the quantity

Well, yes, and corn farmers in this parameter cover both the penguin and raptor combined ...
There were thousands of Zulus for one "gatling" ... Do you think anything you can throw with "caps"? ...

[Sakhalin.]

As a layman and astonished reader, I really look forward to the arrival of new weapons in the Armed Forces, especially in the Air Force. In simple words, I would rather wait with new engines and weapons.

[IVINYUKHIN]

the United States has long been the fifth generation aircraft

[IVINYUKHIN]

which is why quasimodes rejoice, the Chinese 5-generation aircraft have long been selling for export

[Voyager]

Quote: Odyssey

T-50 is a fighter of the first day of the war, Su-30 is a multi-role fighter, Mig-31BM is an interceptor.

Odysseus,
The first one. Do not rely on large-scale deliveries of the T-50. In the next decade, we will receive them in units, because they are too expensive for our budget. But the VKS needs modern fighters in sufficient quantities and in such conditions I have no idea how the production of the Su-35 can interfere with the small-scale production of the T-50.
The second one. All our modern aircraft are designed as multi-purpose and equipped accordingly, of course, something less, something more. But here, relying on the multifunctional and versatile Su-30, you make a logical mistake, because the T-50s can do the same even more, but you cut them off precisely to the role of fighters of the first day .. it sounds beautiful, but nothing more. You painted the roles, but again the Su-34 was left somewhere on the sidelines. Well, let's reason logically. In addition to RPM, we also attribute the absence of PGO. Irbis beats Barca, the thrust ratio is higher, and the intelligent system replaces the co-pilot in many ways. For almost all parameters that can be painted for a long time, the 35th has advantages. In the end, and it can be understaffed with the missing containers. And despite the 35th’s significant superiority in the air, the aircraft has always been positioned and is still positioned as capable of firing at ground and surface targets when necessary. I don’t argue, it’s more convenient to do this from the 30th, but the 35th are ordered more, and will be ordered further. - This is an accomplished fact. You don’t think that fools are sitting in Moscow? In my opinion, most likely, ideally, the double 30CM will work out as a designator and coordinator for the 35th and will supplement the strike group itself.

[okko077]

The image of our army. There is a blind and deaf Titan, which improves weapons, with a nuclear heart exploding in a fall.

[Evil 55]

That’s it, 2017 will be the year the Syrian-Barmalean wars end ..

[complete zero]

Quote: svp67

Quote: siberalt

Let's hope that Syria in 2017 is not over yet.

I would be glad that everything would have ended there yesterday, but life shows that "there was washing" for a long time. The main thing is to have time to resolve the Aleppo issue before Clinton joins the White House

we are unlikely to have time ... how sad but it looks like we got bogged down in Syria for a long time ... to stuff the "bearded" with modern weapons ... in general, not everything is so rosy (IMHO)

[complete zero]

Quote: IVINYUKHIN

which is why quasimodes rejoice, the Chinese 5-generation aircraft have long been selling for export

the Chinese until now have not created a single sensible internal combustion engine, not only for the 5th generation but also for their main aircraft .. what kind of 5th generation is not funny))))

[klas000000]

Quote: ava09

From ourselves and our occupation economy ...

Not a smart answer at all

[kg pv]

After getting to know the site, VO noticed that we EVERYONE understands not only football and government, but also tanks and airplanes. Looking from the outside, you might think that there are designers, developers and, most importantly, test pilots and tankers sitting here all the time. At the same time, some with a clever look argue about PAK-FA because they fly on vacation 2 times a year by plane (and they are planes in Africa, there are how many there are at the airport and everyone is similar) Well, "tankers" are simple everyone who played with a toy. And now a question on the topic of the article - WHO OF WRITING A LOT OF BUKAFF HERE AT LEAST SEEN WHAT IS DISCUSSING HERE ?!

[Green trumpet]

My friend, of course, I'm sorry, but you wrote some complete nonsense! First, everything on the topic is discussed here ... this article specifically discusses an article on the T-50. Secondly, no one on this site claims to be designers, developers ... and tankers. Everyone expresses his opinion. In the third, not bukaff, but letters - stop watching udaff.com. Write in normal Russian.