News of the project KHNUMX "Typhoon Airborne"

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One of the most interesting domestic developments of military equipment of the last time is a promising armored car "Typhoon Airborne". This armored vehicle is created specifically for the airborne troops and in accordance with their requirements. To date, the combat vehicle has been put to the test, including with the use of new types of weapons. Until recently, the amount of available information about the project left much to be desired. A few days ago, new information about prospective development appeared in free access.

New information about the armored car "Typhoon Airborne" appeared thanks to the latest publications of the blog of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, as well as the business electronic newspaper of Tatarstan "Business-Online". In their newest articles, some details of the development and technical appearance of promising technology are mentioned. In addition, other information about the new development, its prospects, etc. are given. Published data can significantly update the existing picture and add new details to it.




General view of the armored vehicle K4386 "Typhoon Airborne". Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com


It is reported that the armored car "Typhoon Airborne" received the designation KHNUMX. Earlier, armored cars from Naberezhnye Chelny had in their designations the name of the KamAZ automobile plant, but now it is being replaced with the only letter “K”. It is assumed that such a change in designation is associated with the desire of the Kama Automobile Plant to distance itself from military projects. In addition, the actual work on the new project is being carried out by the Plant of Special Automobiles, which is directly related to the Remdizel OAO, a subsidiary of KamAZ.

The development of an armored car for the Airborne Forces began at the end of last year and was completed in record time. In November, 2015, the customer and the contractor signed a contract for the creation of a promising machine, and in just five months the first prototype came out for testing. The project had special requirements directly related to the intended use of equipment. So, it was necessary to provide the possibility of parachute landing, as well as provide protection against small weapons and min. In addition, there were demands regarding the comfort of the crew and the landing.

Some technical details of the project have become known. Perspective armored vehicle K4386 "Typhoon Airborne", in contrast to the previous machines of his family, is not equipped with a frame for the installation of the main units. In connection with the requirements concerning the possibility of landing, it was decided to use a supporting armored body with the installation of all units on its mounting. Among other things, such an architecture has made it possible to achieve a noticeable reduction in mass: the Typhoon Airborne is about tons of 2 lighter than the K53949 two-axle armored vehicle.


The first known image of an armored car with a promising combat module. Photos Otvaga2004.mybb.ru


The armored body is built on the hood layout and has a common habitable compartment that combines the offices of command and landing. Reservation security level not specified. Judging by the individual references of officials, we are talking about the fifth class of protection according to domestic standards. This will provide protection against most types of small arms used by the conditional adversary. Measures have also been taken to increase protection against explosive devices. In the corresponding openings of the hull are installed armored glass of the required shapes and sizes, allowing to observe the road and the surrounding terrain without the risk of injury.

The already used body shape, modified in accordance with the use of the supporting structure, is used. To protect the engine used hood faceted with a front grille. On the side, the engine is protected by inclined armor plates, to which the wheel arches are connected. The project provides for a habitable compartment with a complex-shaped body. Its front part is characterized by side compartments with door openings, while the central and aft have large niches for mounting wheel arches and fuel tanks. Above the tanks and arches, respectively, are placed niches that are available to accommodate certain units, including for the transportation of payload. In the aft of these niches are the volumes for additional cargo. Aft cargo compartments extend beyond the boundaries of the armored corps, forming a corridor for the landing of troops.

A diesel engine with an 350 horsepower, hp, fits under a protected hull hood. According to the latest data, the engine of the Cummins company, manufactured under license in Russia, is used as the basis of the power plant. Used biaxial all-wheel drive chassis. The available engine allows the 11-ton armored vehicle to reach speeds of up to 105 km / h and travel on one refueling station to 1200 km.


Armored car on trial. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com


Existing samples of the armored car "Typhoon Airborne" is equipped with a set of hatches and doors for embarkation and disembarkation. The front jobs of the habitable compartment, intended for the driver and commander, have their own side doors of the automobile type. The troop compartment is equipped with a single aft door that opens to the left in the direction of travel. Coming out of the door, the paratrooper remains under the protection of the onboard units, after which it can descend to the ground. In the aft of the roof is a hatch.

The volume of the habitable compartment behind the driver and the commander is given for the placement of weapons and troops. The support device of the combat module is installed in the central part of the vehicle. It is a structure of complex shape, occupying the space from floor to ceiling of the compartment. On the device cover there are hatches for access to the internal units. In addition, the screen and the control panel of the combat module are installed on it.

A vertical support inside the hull is used to install a promising combat module. As a weapon system on the K4386 armored cars, a remote-controlled combat module with cannon and machine gun weapons is installed. From the available data, it follows that this is a combat module, presented by the Petrel Research Institute at the recent Army-2016 forum. Inside the case of a characteristic polygonal shape is placed a swinging installation with an 30-mm automatic cannon. The paired machine gun is taken out in a separate casing, hinged on the left side of the module. Also, the combat module is equipped with smoke grenade launchers and an optoelectronic unit.

Behind the support of the combat module are places for paratroopers. In connection with the requirement to increase the level of protection, the troop compartment of the armored car is equipped with seats that absorb part of the explosion energy under the wheel or bottom of the hull. In a similar chair should be located the driver and commander. An interesting innovation in the troop compartment is the device for fastening the personal weapons of fighters. Between the landing chairs placed special mounts, which should be transported machines of existing models. The design of the mount provides reliable retention weapons in various circumstances.


Fighting module with 30-mm gun, presented at the forum "Army-2016". Photo Defence.ru


According to reports, by the middle of this year, the enterprise “Plant of Special Automobiles” built the first prototype of a promising armored vehicle. Later, new prototypes appeared. Due to the lack of ready-made combat modules, the initially experienced Typhoons-Airborne Forces were equipped with complex-shaped units that served as weight simulators. In mid-August, photographs appeared showing experimental equipment with standard weapon systems. Already at the beginning of June, the experienced airborne troops were shown to the command of the airborne troops.

As follows from recent publications, the overall appearance of a promising armored car for the Airborne Forces has already been formed and is unlikely to undergo major changes. Nevertheless, the project is still being finalized and improved. Some adjustments should be made according to the test results, others - due to the need to change the configuration. Of particular importance is the localization of production. It is reported that in the case of the experienced technique, the localization level reached 50% in terms of cost. The level of localization of different units is different. For example, for the "mine" chairs, this parameter is declared at the level of 80%. When launching mass production, it is planned to bring the overall degree of localization to 70-80% by mastering the production of some new units and replacing certain products of foreign manufacture.

In the context of the localization of production, the Business-Online edition cites the words of automotive journalist Alexander Privalov. He notes that the foreign engine was not created under the requirements of the Russian Ministry of Defense, and also doubts that it was possible to achieve one hundred percent localization in its production. However, this issue can be resolved. There are also problems with the suspension. In the previous project К53949 "Typhoonian" an attempt was made to use the aggregates of the Dutch production due to the lack of domestic ones. Kama Automobile Plant has already begun work on hydropneumatic suspensions. In addition, KamAZ proposes to begin the development of automatic transmissions with automatic control. Previously, domestic enterprises did not deal with these topics. “But in the end, they all the same realized that they would have to do it themselves, that not a single burzhuin on a saucer would bring a ready-made solution,” concludes A. Privalov.


View of the aft door, the troop compartment and the support of the combat module. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com


In parallel with the increase in the degree of localization, the authors of the project will have to carry out all the necessary equipment tests. The first checks, reportedly, took place in the spring of this year, soon after the completion of the assembly of the first prototype. Then it was planned to hold new stages of testing. So, in September they had to undergo pile testing, the purpose of which was to check the car when it was reset from a certain height. With the help of such procedures, the possibility of parachute landing without damage to the structure is confirmed. In the future, after completion of the factory tests, the state will begin. The timing of their start has not yet been clarified.

There are suggestions about the future of new technology. Sufficiently high performance and the possibility of landing with the use of parachute systems makes the armored car K4386 "Typhoon Airborne" a good fighting vehicle for the airborne troops. As a result, after completion of state tests, an order may appear for the supply of a large number of serial equipment, which will be distributed between a significant number of airborne units.

In its current form, the Typhoon Airborne Troops armored car is a wheeled combat vehicle capable of transporting fighters with weapons, as well as supporting them with cannon and machine gun fire. In this case, there is reason to believe that in the future, new versions of armored vehicles for the airborne troops may be created on the basis of the K4386 project. The characteristics and architecture of the armored car make it possible to build commanders and ambulances, as well as equipment with combat modules of various types that carry a variety of weapons.

The most important feature of the project "Typhoon Airborne Troops", which should be noted, is the development of commissioned airborne troops and in accordance with their requirements. Due to this, the design of the armored car was adapted to the intended use. In addition, the use of some ready-made ideas and solutions simplified both the development and future production of new equipment.

News of the project KHNUMX "Typhoon Airborne"
Commander of the Airborne Forces, Colonel-General V. Shamanov, during an introduction to the newest armored vehicle, 2 June 2016. Photo by Military-informant.com


The newest design of the armored car K4386 "Typhoon Airborne" was created in the framework of the ongoing program of rearmament of the army. Earlier, the command of the airborne troops repeatedly noted that the rearmament of this type of armed forces would be completed in the 2018 year. In addition, last year, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced plans to improve the combat capability of the Airborne Forces and their modernization as a rapid reaction force. In order to increase the combat potential of the troops, serial production of several types of armored vehicles has already begun. As recent events show, soon the nomenclature of new weapons and equipment for the landing troops will be supplemented with promising models.

Currently, the base of the fleet of military equipment of the Airborne Forces is made up of old types of armored vehicles, primarily airborne combat vehicles of the first and second models, as well as armored personnel carriers. Not so long ago, the start-up deliveries of new BMD-4M and BTR-MDM to a certain extent influenced the situation, but the amount of equipment built so far does not allow for a fundamental change in the existing state of affairs. The appearance of wheeled combat vehicles with cannon-machine gun weapons can affect the overall condition of the fleet of vehicles, ensuring a higher rate of rearmament.

The program of rearmament of the armed forces in general and of the airborne troops in particular continues. To increase the combat capabilities of the troops, a large number of new projects of equipment and weapons are being created. In the foreseeable future, the armored car K4386 "Typhoon Airborne" will have to become a new vehicle. In the near future, he must pass all the necessary tests, after which the issue of adopting equipment for weapons will be considered. In the meantime, the specialists of the developer organization and the customer need to focus on checking and fine-tuning the prospective sample.


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  1. 0
    13 October 2016 07: 55
    Is it just paranoia, or have the guys again got it right? Painfully intricate architecture for such a simple machine.
    1. +6
      13 October 2016 08: 46
      Kama Automobile Plant has already begun work on hydropneumatic suspensions. In addition, KamAZ proposes to begin the development of automatic mechanical gearboxes. Earlier, domestic enterprises did not deal with these topics.


      It is reported that in the case of experimental equipment, the level of localization reached 50% in value.

      Well, then do it and talk

      In general, everything that KAMAZ does I don’t like for 40 years, this KAMAZ could not make either a decent engine or automatic gearbox. And even their cabs are not ours, what are the designers doing there? But they attached the KAMAZ inscription to them in no Russian language — it’s a pleasure either to conflict with Maz or MZKT they can take their bread.
      This typhoon baby-shitty name - why isn’t ours there - almost all the units are imported. And where do they come from if the strategy of this plant is to do nothing of their own.
      They are moving this typhoon, but where is the WOLF, the perfect car, have you already forgotten?
      1. +6
        13 October 2016 09: 20
        Quote: Thought
        But where is the WOLF - a beautiful car, have you forgotten already?

        Street question ...
        Where is the "Wolf", the money for the development of which has been successfully mastered? Paid MO
        Where is the "Tiger-6A", the money for the development of which has been successfully spent? Paid by the Ministry of Internal Affairs

        It looks like all the money went to the media fight against Iveco-LMV?
        1. +1
          13 October 2016 09: 36
          Quote: Spade
          Where is the "Tiger-6A", the money for the development of which has been successfully spent? Paid by the Ministry of Internal Affairs


          The tiger banded in class 6 seems to be brought to mind, but the Wolf seems to have quietly disappeared.

          military acceptance
          1. +1
            13 October 2016 09: 48
            Quote: Thought
            A tiger banded in class 6 seems to be brought to mind

            He should have prepared him for the Gos two years ago ... Woz and now there.
        2. +2
          13 October 2016 12: 40
          Quote: Spade
          Where is the "Wolf", the money for the development of which has been successfully mastered? Paid MO

          EMNIP was still wooed for VV, and he is not fundamentally different from the "Tiger", except for "modularity" - a module for people / a body for loot.
          He’s kind of dumb.
          1. +4
            13 October 2016 12: 55
            WOLF series cars are bad?
            Excuse me, but why are they bad?
            http://vnedorozhnik-inform.ru/bronirovanny-avtomo
            bily-volk-foto-video-characteristics.html
            Ask the 82 mm battery commander what he would prefer, Kamaz or Ural biaxial, with "armored" body and heated arcs with a seat, or for example VPK-39273.
            At the same time, ask the foreman in the MCP, uncle, but toby was not good if there was such a machine as to bring the PSU and deliver the food, and the junk needed to carry the company, probably more likely than not.
            VPK-3927. The basic model of the Wolf family is a car (4 × 4) with a protected single-volume (7,2 m³) functional module (it was not presented at the exhibition MVSV-2010). The internal volume of the cabin (control module) for the other versions is 2,4 m³.

            VPK-39271 "Wolf-I" - a car (4 × 4) with a secure control module and a separate functional rear module (4,7 m³) for transporting personnel, equipment installation, with a given level of protection.

            VPK-39272 "Wolf-II" - a transport vehicle (4 × 4) for the transport of goods and personnel with the possibility of installing various functional modules.

            VPK-39273 "Wolf-III" - a car (6 × 6) with a functional module (10,3 m³) for transportation of personnel, equipment installation, with a given level of protection. According to the developers, the car was assembled two days before the opening of the exhibition MVSV-2010.

            Читать полностью: http://xn----7sbb5ahj4aiadq2m.xn--p1ai/guide/army
            /tr/vpk3927.shtml
            1. +2
              13 October 2016 13: 14
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              At the same time, ask the foreman in the MCP, uncle, but toby was not good if there was such a machine as to bring the PSU and deliver the food, and the junk needed to carry the company, probably more likely than not.

              A normal truck is better than this misunderstanding, due to the initial versatility of use.
              VPK-39272 "Wolf-II" - a transport vehicle (4 × 4) for the transport of goods and personnel with the possibility of installing various functional modules.

              As a result, there will be only one module (who will carry the second one after it?) And, as always, this module will not be the one that is needed. laughing
              Separate transport module is generally ambiguous thing - hollowing a butt into the partition to communicate with the driver is an occupation for the stubborn.
              VPK-39273 "Wolf-III" - car (6 × 6)

              The same misunderstanding, only longer.
            2. +1
              13 October 2016 16: 58
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              WOLF series cars are bad?

              The fact that they do not exist. The development money was cut, but there are no ready-made samples.

              Well, about the commander of the mortar. Their cones were always full, the fighters had nowhere to sit. How is it to ram in a "Wolf" or another little car of this class?
            3. 0
              13 October 2016 18: 24
              Quote: Gray Brother
              A normal truck is better than this misunderstanding, due to the initial versatility of use.

              I do not agree, on the front end, to drive an onboard Ural.Zil, it’s more expensive for itself, it has been tested by practice.
              From the captured g66, there was a pit lined with metal.
              And the car in the company, we need, fact, verified.
              Quote: Gray Brother
              As a result, there will be only one module (who will carry the second one after it?) And, as always, this module will not be the one that is needed.
              Separate transport module is generally ambiguous thing - hollowing a butt into the partition to communicate with the driver is an occupation for the stubborn.

              Is it stubborn to force one to put elementary TPU with connectors in the module-weakly? So if the manufacturers do not, any foreman will guess if the field telephone is stuck there, if the need makes it.
              [quote = Gray brother The same misunderstanding, only longer. [/ quote]
              And the biaxial losharik, Kamara shooting gallery, in a mortar, not a misunderstanding?
              Especially when they gave it, but the ramps and everything else that was in 66 was simply "forgotten" to be installed regularly, they were grateful to the mortar men ..
              In general, if such a machine was, at one time, in a company, I'd rather have it than 131 zil or urals with tarpaulin armor.
              [quote = LopatovThe fact that they do not exist. They drank the development money, but there are no ready-made samples. [/ Quote]
              Well, this is as always ... there is no one to lean against these saws.
              Quote: Spade
              Well, about the mortar commander. They and the cones were always full, the soldiers had nowhere to sit.

              I agree. The state was created poorly, without taking into account the needs. It was implied that everything that does not interfere with the MB's standard equipment will be given with a VO (security platoon), practice shows that in no way.
            4. 0
              19 October 2016 09: 19
              (c) WOLF series machines are bad? Excuse me, but why are they bad? (c)
              One drawback of these machines is that they were not created for pr in SMRAD and for cutting spent funds. In the meantime, apparently this is their only success.
          2. +1
            13 October 2016 13: 04
            Quote: Gray Brother
            EMNIP was still wooed for VV, and he is not fundamentally different from the "Tiger", except for "modularity" - a module for people / a body for loot.
            He’s kind of dumb.


            the tiger is fully armored, the wolf with mounted armor, the wolf with variable clearance, pneumatic control, the tiger does not have this. Do you need leather seats in war?
            1. 0
              13 October 2016 13: 26
              Quote: Thought
              , a wolf with variable clearance, pneumatic control, the tiger does not have this. Do you need leather seats in war?

              Leather seats are optional (with heating if only), adjustable ground clearance is generally evil - the suspension structure is complicated in this case, new complex and expensive repair knots appear that may fail.
              pneumatic control

              Management of what? Probably a good thing while the engine is running and the compressor is spinning.
          3. 0
            13 October 2016 17: 01
            Quote: Gray Brother
            EMNIP was still wooed for VV, and he is not fundamentally different from "Tiger"

            No, really. At the time of the start of work on the "Wolf" in "Tiger" there were a bunch of imported units. Which the manufacturer forbade to use in army vehicles. There were no such restrictions with regard to the Interior Ministry's internal troops.
      2. 0
        19 October 2016 15: 09
        “But in the end, they all the same understood what they had to do themselves, that not a single bourgeois on a silver platter would bring a ready-made solution,” concludes A. Privalov.

        Wow, it came! And before that, what did you think?
    2. avt
      0
      13 October 2016 09: 33
      Quote: tchoni
      Is it just paranoia, or have the guys again got it right?

      Is it about two "suitcases" in the back and the passage between them? what Have you made a place to smoke on the go? wassat Other does not go to mind. bully Some version of a jihadmobile with a removable kung. Maybe they planned to hang it in the back instead of “suitcases", but then the back door immediately turns into a decorative element. and no one posted the detailed introductory information on this aircraft on the VO. Probably a strategically important facility, comparable to a nuclear submarine.
      1. +2
        13 October 2016 09: 51
        There one of the requirements is that everything "heavy" like disposable RPGs and other things must be outside the landing. So maybe this is the right decision. If you do everything according to your mind.
        1. avt
          0
          13 October 2016 10: 38
          what
          Quote: Spade
          There, one of the requirements is that everything "heavy" like disposable RPGs and other things must be outside the landing.

          Well, somehow the wish is clear
          Characteristics and architecture of the armored car allow you to build commander and ambulances, as well as equipment with combat modules of various types, carrying a variety of weapons.
          But almost as implemented ....... request Repeat
          Quote: avt
          I somehow don’t presume to draw conclusions based only on pictures - I don’t understand the flight of the designers’s thoughts in fulfilling the military’s assignment, and no one laid out the introductory notes on this machine in the military.
          Somehow I don’t even see from the presented -Is there an opportunity to exit through the side doors? The module is on the tower, and the drive is in the car? Is there really such a secret layout that it still cannot be published?
          Quote: avt
          Probably a strategically important facility comparable to nuclear submarines.
          1. +1
            13 October 2016 11: 06
            No, the fact that the layout is pretty mop-up is a fact. I wanted the best, got it as always. For example, because of the combat module, it is impossible to leave the car through the upper hatch. A rollover for anti-theft machines is a fairly common occurrence. And it’s not a fact that the aft door will not be blocked, especially with the supporting case.

            In place of the "trunks" and the corridor between them, you can indeed install a module with some kind of equipment. But in the absence of a normal side exit for the landing, big problems can arise.

            And so nothing machine ... For example, to carry "Nonu-M1" - the very thing. Only to the mind the car is still finished and finished.
            1. +3
              13 October 2016 12: 21
              Quote: Spade
              because of the combat module, it is impossible to leave the car through the top hatch

              Why is it impossible? The module is next.
      2. +1
        13 October 2016 10: 09
        Back boxes like tank spare parts. Not all the same inside the landing squad to drag.
    3. 0
      14 October 2016 15: 09
      Here I am, not a urapatriot, not a traitor, a liberal, not even an outside observer, but what KAMAZ does and offers (yes, yes, they just threw away everything domestic even in the title), for the army it is a complete “f” with dubious content. Well, what can we say about an armored car whose heart (its presence under the hood) depends on the whim of Uncle Sam's company, otherwise a potential enemy.
  2. 0
    13 October 2016 08: 11
    there was a time that we drove only on killed UAZ vehicles that did not hold bullets, now there are an incredible amount of armored vehicles.
    1. +3
      13 October 2016 08: 37
      UAZ rides DShBr. Now they have been reformatted in an unknown manner. Either it will be ordinary infantry, but in blue berets and on BMD, or parachute airborne units, it is not clear.

      Yes, before in the DShBr one battalion was on BMD. But they could be transported by helicopter. And now the Mi-6s used for this have been removed from service, and the BMDs are heavier and larger in size ... It is a pity that this essentially separate branch of the army has been consistently destroyed since the time of Gorbachev. They will have to carry out their functions in a hurry with an armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicles without the necessary fire weapons.
  3. +1
    13 October 2016 08: 32
    1. Why Typhoon, and not the Tiger, which seems to have been accepted into the ground forces? Where is the unification?
    2. If the Tiger is bad for the Airborne Forces, then maybe the Typhoon is also suitable for the SV? For the sake of the same unification?
    3. And someone is watching the cost savings at a time when the money is not enough and robbing the population further is not very decent (although I want to)? Or, again, does the manufacturer dictate the conditions? Why not create a single platform for all wheeled vehicles of this class?

    And the rest, a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well ...
    1. +4
      13 October 2016 08: 45
      Quote: erased
      Why Typhoon, and not the Tiger, which seems to have been accepted into the ground forces?

      Shamanov was able to withstand the pressure of Deripaska and prevented the purchase of a super-expensive UAZ
      Quote: erased
      If the Tiger is bad for the Airborne Forces, then maybe Typhoon is also suitable for the SV? For the sake of the same unification?

      It is intended. The need for such machines as well as simpler ones, without protection against explosions, is simply enormous in the NE.
      Quote: erased
      3. And someone is watching the cost savings at a time when the money is not enough and robbing the population further is not very decent (although I want to)? Or, again, does the manufacturer dictate the conditions? Why not create a single platform for all wheeled vehicles of this class?

      Well, the general picture is as follows. Cars of the Typhoon type must be purchased because they are needed in the troops, the Tigers must be purchased because Mr. Deripaska should not lose income
  4. 0
    13 October 2016 08: 56
    Armored Police Cart. With a load of 3 tons on each of the wheels in the fields you can’t run a lot! But in the settlements it is easy! Not for nothing the rails in the photo, oh not for nothing ..... A tower with a cannon high is good, far away, only shooting from an ent cannon is possible only with the back door open, otherwise - That's it! , cranes to the crew, suffocate, robbed in their own powder gases. In general, this changeling is not a landing, but a gendarme.
    1. +10
      13 October 2016 09: 10
      Quote: cunning
      A tower with a cannon high - that’s good, far away, only shooting from an ent cannon is possible only with the back door open, otherwise - That's it!

      eight))))))))))))))))))))))
      This is not a "tower" this is a combat module. That is, the powder gases will not get into the "landing" with all the desire. If the back door is not opened 8))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      Quote: cunning
      In general, this changeling is not a landing, but a gendarme.

      Ykspert such Ykspert ....
      You, my friend, are aware that the airborne forces of the Shishariks are almost as many as the BMD?
  5. 0
    13 October 2016 09: 20
    Yes, at least what you call it, even though the "module" is even "pedal", it must be used well .... and the entoy gun has "delays" more than once a month, but more often.
    1. +3
      13 October 2016 09: 24
      Uh, no ... A tower is a tower, and a combat module is a combat module. Even if the combat module is designed taking into account the possibility of replenishing the ammunition from under armor, it is airtight when fired.
  6. +1
    13 October 2016 09: 37
    Anecdote: They brought electricity to the village, gathered people for instructions. Instructed. They ask - do you have any questions? The old grandfather, smoking makhorka, addresses the chairman: so we understand everything, switches - switches .. you explain how kerosene seeps through the wires? So in the "module" - explain how the shells get there and who picks out the crumpled "crabs" from the cannon guts?
    1. 0
      13 October 2016 09: 56
      Quote: cunning
      So in the "module" - explain how the shells get there and who picks out the crumpled "crabs" from the cannon guts?

      All in advance. And if the delay in shooting, requiring digging in the mechanics, then only after the battle
      1. 0
        13 October 2016 10: 31
        After the battle, armored boxes of red color will remain. Each collective weapon has either a crew or a crew who maintain, operate, eliminate delays and malfunctions in the "permanent" mode, not "after the battle". Typhoonenok is intended for urban battles, this is unambiguous, but in a city under a multi-layered system of fire, it is impossible to eliminate delays and replenish ammunition without going into cover, which means that after the mobile system is jammed, the guns and the vehicle with the crew and the arrows supported by fire, this vehicle must retire to the ladies' room room to powder your nose ", right? So. And a simple question arises - "What the fuck is the button accordion?"
        1. +1
          13 October 2016 10: 46
          Quote: cunning
          After the battle, armored boxes of red color will remain. Each collective weapon has either a crew or a crew who maintain, operate, eliminate delays and malfunctions in the "permanent" mode, and not "after the battle"

          And where did you find the "collective weapon" here? This is an infantry transport vehicle. No more and no less. And the combat module with a very, very small ammunition battery is only for self-defense.

          Quote: cunning
          Typhoon is designed for urban battles, it’s definitely

          Wheel vehicle for fighting in the city ??? Hehe, in the style of the Italians - 6 hours standing under fire because the street was littered with fragments of buildings? Fortunately, the Iraqi fighters only had small guns and light mortars.
          When Komsomolskoye was cleaned, there and the tank could not drive everywhere
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            13 October 2016 11: 10
            The commander's individual weapon is the brain for making decisions. The individual weapon of a fighter is what he wears on his body. There is a section in the combat training program for MS units - Actions with weapons. So I "discover" collective weapons starting with the RPG-7, through the Utyos-Kord heavy machine gun, SPG-9, 2a28 cannon, 2a42 cannon, and so on to the submarine.
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      13 October 2016 11: 23
      When I see an armored car with a tower installation, I immediately remember the cartoon Gulliver in the country of midgets.
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    13 October 2016 13: 34
    I wonder what is the reason for installing the launch of smoke grenades on the frontal projection of the module? Why could not they be installed on the rear or rear-side? I wouldn’t have to make holes in the armor panels of the frontal part of the module, thereby weakening it, and simply not technologically! what
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    13 October 2016 19: 17
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    I agree. The state was created poorly, without taking into account the needs. It was implied that everything that does not interfere with the MB's standard equipment will be given with a VO (security platoon), practice shows that in no way.

    Three are carrying a mortar, the commander and gunner have their own devices, plus at least two people for ammunition. A total of 7 people. Plus the mortar itself, plus mines in the cork, plus a tank with charges. All this in "Wolf", and even more so in "Tiger" by no means tamp. Even if you forget about tents, stoves, bunks, floorboards and other things that are no less necessary.
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      13 October 2016 19: 27
      Quote: Spade
      Plus the mortar itself, plus mines in the capping, plus a tank with charges.

      1 car.
      Quote: Spade
      Three carry a mortar, their commander and gunner, plus two or more people in ammunition. Total 7 people

      2 car.

      3 car, KamAZ truck, Ural foremen (technician) batteries.
      Isn’t it better? Or expensive?
      At the same time, obviously-booking does not interfere, something is sewn up
      The materiel and infantry are covered, the calculation is the same, during the march and movement.
      Various junk, just under it one truck. It’s quite enough for a battery.
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        19 October 2016 21: 55
        Three cars for calculation ??? Battery Autobat ????? No it won't

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