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In the museum of the Gulag hung a mannequin with a portrait of Solzhenitsyn

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Museum director stories Gulag Roman Romanov today said that "the vandals desecrated the museum." Desecration of the museum, namely, this interpretation is used by the custodians of the exposition and the management of the object, resulted in the fact that unknown persons hung a dummy on the territory of the museum, to which a photograph of Alexander Solzhenitsyn was glued.


A sign was posted on the dummy's chest, stating who was the author of this “performance”:
Mr. SOLZhEnitsyn from the communist youth of Moscow.


On the same tablet, Solzhenitsyn was called an enemy of the Motherland and a traitor who liked to mock at the truth.

In the museum of the Gulag hung a mannequin with a portrait of Solzhenitsyn


From the note about the action on Online this organization:
Many citizens will now wave their hands: they say, leftism, the fight against windmills, etc. And in our opinion, everything is correct. The theme of political repression of the past has today gained some painful popularity from our authorities. The Gulag Museum, monuments to Solzhenitsyn, memorials to the victims of Stalinism ... At the initiative of the Russian bourgeois authorities, the year 2018 has been called the “year of creativity” of this writer. Moreover, this is done not from some sincere sympathy for that part of people, which is not as huge as they like to shout, who have truly become victims of the mistakes of Soviet justice. Such objects are an attempt to cover up their own political inconsistency, tightening the screws and torn up in the state. It is most convenient to do this to the bourgeois government, pointing at the past: “Do you want socialism? You are crazy! There's a solid Gulag! Don't like the Spring Pact? And with a scoop, there was even less freedom, so thank for that too! ”

This action is not the first act of the will of the Russians regarding Solzhenitsyn. A year ago, in Vladivostok, a sign with large letters “IUDA” was already hung on a newly opened monument.


From the text it follows that the action is political.

Roman Romanov said that he would complain about the actions of representatives of the organization of the Revolutionary Communist Youth Union to the police. Museum Director quotes "Interfax":
We have a record from surveillance cameras and information on the website of this organization that they conducted it. We have every reason to appeal. From the point of view of the average person, this is horror, blasphemy and some obscurantism. From the point of view of the police, I think this can be interpreted as hooliganism.
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  1. Gray brother
    Gray brother 11 October 2016 17: 20
    +194
    They did everything right.
    1. the most important
      the most important 11 October 2016 17: 26
      +43
      Quote: Gray Brother
      They did everything right.

      They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in the year 37. Grandmother died of grief in 38 at the age of 42 years. The father (8 years old was him) was hidden by relatives under a false name ... So do not la ... la ... The personality cult never brings to good. Or himself from the NKVDeshnikov ?? By the way !! The modern militia-police has nothing to do with executions. He served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for many years.
      1. win
        win 11 October 2016 17: 28
        +14
        The country did not have time to finish reading "The Master and Margarita",
        how is it time to start "In the first circle" by Solzhenitsyn
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 11 October 2016 18: 48
          +21
          They did everything right.

          Solzhenitsyn described the Bolsheviks as the executioners of the Russian people. Someone did not believe this. Well, that’s confirmation. Not from dissidents, not from liberals - but from the commies themselves. New faces, but the same habits.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 18: 58
            +132
            That is, for you, the Savinkovites, the Basmachis, the Vlasovites, the Krasnovtsy, the Banederaites and the other criminal public, together with Solzhenitsyn, is your own?
            Yeah, the best confirmation is that every anti-Soviet = Russophobe ...

            For example, today according to archival data, the number of victims of political repression under Stalin is known, namely 4 people.
            Solzhenitsyn talked about tens of millions, historian Roy Medvedev - about 40. And then who will surpass whom: I. Bunich - 100 million, Yu. Karjakin - 120 million, and finally B. Nemtsov - 150 million, / and this is with the then population of the USSR of 170 million !!!, and a certain Petrov did say a half militia ...
            Today, according to the documents of the Registration and Archival Funds Department of the former KGB of the USSR, from January 1, 1921 to July 1, 1953, 4 people were convicted of counter-revolutionary and other especially dangerous state crimes, of which 060 were sentenced to death , and not all sentences were executed. Of course, and these are very large figures, behind which are the tragic, even terrible fate of specific people.

            Here, among the total number of those shot, there really were spies, pests, saboteurs, and even terrorists.
            For example, according to the researchers of the Soviet Union's industrial development, Y. Mukhin and N. Ivnitsky, only in March 1930 and only in Ukraine, 521 terrorist attacks were registered (and how many have not been registered!), In the Central Center - 192, including 25 murders. Over 9 months of 1930, there were more than 1000 terrorist attacks in Western Siberia, of which 624 were killings and assassination attempts. In the Urals, in January-March there were 260 cases, and even in the peaceful Novgorod district of the Leningrad region there were 50 attacks.

            So, let's ask ourselves - can spies, terrorists and saboteurs be considered innocently repressed?

            The speech of Patriarch Alexy (Simansky) before the requiem about the repose of Joseph Vissarionovich is also very indicative.
            In it, in particular, it was said: “The Great Leader of our people, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, did not become.
            Great, moral, social power was abolished. The force in which our people felt their own power, which he guided in his creative works and enterprises, which he consoled for many years ...

            We, having gathered for a prayer for him, cannot pass by the silence of his always benevolent, sympathetic attitude towards our church needs. Not a single question that we addressed to him was rejected by him; he satisfied all our requests. And a lot of good and useful, thanks to its high authority, has been done for our Church by our Government. The memory of him is unforgettable for us, and our Russian Orthodox Church, mourning his departure from us, escorts him to the last journey, “the path of all the earth”, with fervent prayer.

            In these sad days for us, from all sides of our Fatherland from bishops, clergy and believers, and from abroad /! / From the heads and representatives of churches, both Orthodox and heterodox, I receive many telegrams in which prayers for him, and condolences are expressed to us on the occasion of this sad loss for us. "

            This admission of Patriarch Alexy raises extreme doubts about Joseph Vissarionovich’s complete guilt of persecution of the Church, as well as guilt in general, since otherwise, it is not possible to stand and rebuild the Power ..
            http://d-b.livejournal.com/323780.html
            1. Landing Station6
              Landing Station6 12 October 2016 08: 59
              +26
              Solzhenitsyn spoke of tens of millions

              It got to the point that his fabrications are referred to as a HISTORICAL FACT. Although proven a thousand times - Solzhenitsyn lied hopelessly.
            2. 73bor
              73bor 12 October 2016 09: 23
              +13
              The most interesting thing is that all those killed during the Civil War, as well as German prisoners of war of the Great Patriotic War, are counted among these victims of Stalinist repressions! I do not condone the repressions of the Stalinist regime, I also had shot relatives, but the numbers here are completely different! Reading Solzhenitsyn, one wonders, who then fought at the front, are they still sitting? What does this writer manage to reflect the fact that the Wehrmacht, we just overwhelmed with corpses!
            3. alex86
              alex86 12 October 2016 20: 26
              +2
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              That is, for you, Savinkov’s, Basmachi, Vlasov’s, Krasnov’s, Banederov’s and other criminal public

              Where did you get this? You make up false fabrications and pretend that someone said that? As a follower of the executioner-Stalin and a convinced nkvdeshnik you adopted all their traditions. Interestingly, on long winter evenings do you dream of breaking some ribs of your people or tearing out your nails in a basement of the people? Or from humanism of the highest measure of social protection, a bullet to the back of the head? Probably waiting for the revival of the ChK-GPU-NKVD-MGB-KGB (missed something?) And again the MGB?
            4. Bloodsucker
              Bloodsucker 12 October 2016 20: 40
              +6
              Quote: alex86
              Where did you get this? You make up false fabrications and pretend that someone said that? As a follower of the executioner-Stalin and a convinced nkvdeshnik you adopted all their traditions. Interestingly, on long winter evenings do you dream of breaking some ribs of your people or tearing out your nails in a basement of the people? Or from humanism of the highest measure of social protection, a bullet to the back of the head? Probably waiting for the revival of the ChK-GPU-NKVD-MGB-KGB (missed something?) And again the MGB?


              And what do you so painfully perceive as I said? Another fan of Belykh? Or even worse ...
              Monuments to collaborators appear here and there in the open spaces of the dismembered USSR.
              In Ukraine, Bandera with Shukhevych, we have Mannerheim with Wrangel. There they sing for example Ostap Vishnyu, a terry nationalist, we have a terry Russophobe-Solzhenitsyn.
              What makes the current elite related to the traitors of Russia?
              It is impossible to take seriously the tale of the "atrocities of the Bolsheviks", wandering from white propaganda to fascist, from fascist to American, and from American to reform.
              We will not take Goebbels's propaganda seriously, and then Solzhenitsyn's ones written in America with the help and dictation of the secret services of the States, in which Germany attacked our country in order to save us from the “bloody yoke of the communists,” in Solzhenitsyn, “opened” our eyes, on supposedly millions of repressions ..
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 11 October 2016 19: 56
            +81
            Quote: Mahmut
            Solzhenitsyn described the Bolsheviks as the executioners of the Russian people.

            This lover of the Russian people called for bombing the USSR with nuclear bombs, and together with all honest people for whom his soul allegedly hurts.

            The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 11 October 2016 21: 31
              +14
              This lover of the Russian people called for bombing the USSR with nuclear bombs,


              Why so? We read the lie, you liked it by the pattern of worldview, repeated. Somehow indecent for a respected person. Let's ask Solzhenitsyn himself;
              ... (wrote) back in his book "A grain was pleased between two millstones" 15 years ago: "God, I did not call for war, the American press misinterpreted it, - but it was in this form that it reached our compatriots ... go and shout now" (Novy Mir, 1999, N 2, p. 83). In 1975, he believed that there was no need to fight America; on the contrary, a policy of "open palms" was needed.

              By the way, Solzhenitsyn understood that the United States was not at war with communism, but with Russia, already in America. After which it was closed by a hermit in Vermont. And I realized this perhaps before the former citizens of the USSR. It is jarring that in general an honest person and a Russian patriot are blamed for inaccuracies and artistic decorations. Then what about Mayakovsky? What can be said about Twardowski? And you can call and name surnames and surnames.

              The question is, for the sake of the present moment it is necessary to embellish history? How many of these "current moments" will there be, and that each needs its own story? I will tell you dear, and you are really dear for me, that after going through fire, water, and copper pipes, I saw enough that Alexander Isaevich himself would have written me as a dreamer. But this is my life, which means my story given by the Almighty, which I value with every cell of my being. Such is the life that Heaven brings us different weather, and Styx takes away. Therefore, we accept it with gratitude, be it hail or drought, cold or the beauty of summer. There are eccentrics who want to throw stones into the sky, or paint puddles, but they are just a manifestation of this. Our strength lies in solidarity and love, you will begin to find out who loves truly and who is not very much, you will lose unity.
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 11 October 2016 20: 15
            +20
            Boy, look at yours. Yes, read the stories carefully, but do not lie to Solzhenitsyn and others like him.
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 11 October 2016 21: 41
              +12
              Quote: Hupfri
              Russophobe is communism. Because the internacist. Or do you love your people or blacks and other hegemons from around the world.

              Said the man with the nickname Hapfrey laughing
          4. 34 region
            34 region 11 October 2016 22: 33
            +31
            18.48. Mahmut! When boxes of money are seized during searches today, is this probably dispossession of honest and hardworking people by the lazy and drinking citizens of Russia ??? The executioners came and dispossessed, having seized the room of money? belay
          5. vezunchik
            vezunchik 12 October 2016 05: 50
            +11
            if not for the Communists, manure would have died, a liberal damn ...
      2. Million
        Million 11 October 2016 17: 28
        +37
        where do your relatives and the incident at the museum?
        1. Allitet
          Allitet 11 October 2016 22: 21
          +1
          What it is? Hang a Solzhenitsyn doll in a museum? Kindergarten by God! What is your organization turning into, Mr. Zyuganov? I think the "old school" people from this party don't do that.
        2. tihiy
          tihiy 12 October 2016 05: 24
          +6
          Quote: Million
          where do your relatives and the incident at the museum?

          and the main thing for him to declare about himself ..
          It is the "Most important" ...
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 11 October 2016 17: 29
        +56
        Quote: the most important
        My grandfather was shot in 37.


        You will argue that all condemned for nothing?
        1. the most important
          the most important 11 October 2016 17: 36
          +21
          Quote: Gray Brother
          You will argue that all condemned for nothing?

          And what could a collective farmer do in a remote village in Siberia ?? and also having five young children ??? Well, if only you were in a conspiracy with Tukhachevsky and on his orders to take all the strategic aviation of the USSR into the air and start bombing the Kremlin! By the way, my grandfather was completely rehabilitated in 1976.
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik 11 October 2016 17: 39
            +13
            here the communists byak, also rehabilitated themselves! belay
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 11 October 2016 17: 46
            +30
            Quote: the most important
            And what could a collective farmer do in a remote village in Siberia ??

            I do not know. In the 20s, interesting things were going on in Siberia - intervention, Kolchak ... maybe he participated there somewhere ..
            1. captain
              captain 11 October 2016 18: 40
              +12
              One West Siberian (Ishim) uprising of the peasants against the Bolsheviks, which is worth in 1921-22gg. encyclopaedia-russia.ru ›article.php ... There, the Bolshevik guys took their souls. They beat those who believed them. The communists quickly explained to the Russian peasantry that everything could be promised, we would hang it according to the fact that the peasants, whom they had promised and distributed the land initially, believed, helped the Bolsheviks to come to power. But they were brutally deceived. We reached the handle for 1985 g, we bought bread abroad.
          3. Anton Yu
            Anton Yu 11 October 2016 17: 48
            +55
            I sympathize with your grief, but do not tell me who wrote three million denunciations?
            1. the most important
              the most important 11 October 2016 18: 00
              +10
              Quote: Anton Yu
              I sympathize with your grief, but do not tell me who wrote three million denunciations?

              In the case, all the names are addresses, but I do not believe that people themselves deliberately wrote. The case was concocted by the operas SOLOPOV and his boss DERYAGIN. They brought dozens of people under execution WITHOUT COURT !!! At the moment, in the entire area where they served there are NO PEOPLE WITH THESE Surnames !!! The executioners should know that even after 80 years no one will forget anything.
          4. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 18: 15
            +61
            Quote: the most important
            In the case, all names are addresses

            Does the file have an ARTICLE number?
            Well, name it, otherwise it’s all some kind of scream, like the screams from the Memorial NGO-which is now recognized as a FOREIGN agent, in fact, he receives grants.
            I somehow read, grandpa, served ... then the relatives were lucky enough to pick up the jackpot for rehabilitation, bang, and there, the bouquet-killing of the collective farm chairman’s family, arson of the barn with seeds ... and that's okay, innocently repressed .. grandpa. .
            In Dagestan, in Izberbash, it’s all unique, I went to the military commissariat as if to work, everyone demanded that they give him status = Member of the Great Patriotic War and all the benefits ... rummaged, found, found-Dedulko, part
            nickname of war, in the Caucasian Legion of the Wehrmacht, then .. innocently repressed ...
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 11 October 2016 18: 42
              +21
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              In Dagestan, in Izberbash, it’s all unique, I went to the military commissariat as if to work, everyone demanded that they give him status = Member of the Great Patriotic War and all the benefits ... rummaged, found, found-Dedulko, part
              nickname of war, in the Caucasian Legion of the Wehrmacht, then .. innocently repressed ...

              Hmmm ... like in a bearded joke:
              - And I brought shells to the soldiers!
              - Little Johnny, you're a real hero! Thank you?
              - Yes, I was told "Seer gut, Voldemar! Seer gut!"
            2. veteran66
              veteran66 11 October 2016 19: 02
              +5
              and it is not necessary to dump everyone in a heap, the chairman slammed, so there was a reason. Under the chairmanship of such "chairmen", how many people were killed. And he set fire to his grain, only previously selected by such "chairmen". And the enemy's accomplice got his, this is completely different.
            3. the most important
              the most important 11 October 2016 19: 07
              +2
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              Does the file have an ARTICLE number?

              Anti-Soviet agitation. Agitated against the Soviet government. Quite a standard article in those days, Art. 58 of the Criminal Code.
            4. Koshak
              Koshak 11 October 2016 20: 53
              +8
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              Dedulko, a participant in the war, in the Caucasian Legion of the Wehrmacht, then ... innocently repressed ...

              They invited the grandfather, who Chapaev saw, to share his memories with the children.
              - I lie, it means, on a steep bank, I see through the sight Vasily Ivanovich from me floating across the river. And I lower the bar on the machine gun, lower it ...
            5. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 11 October 2016 22: 19
              +10
              I somehow read, grandpa, served ... then the relatives were lucky enough to pick up the jackpot for rehabilitation, bang, and there, the bouquet-killing of the collective farm chairman’s family, arson of the barn with seeds ... and that's okay, innocently repressed .. grandpa. .
              In Dagestan, in Izberbash, it’s all unique, I went to the military commissariat as if to work, everyone demanded that they give him status = Member of the Great Patriotic War and all the benefits ... rummaged, found, found-Dedulko, part
              nickname of war, in the Caucasian Legion of the Wehrmacht, then .. innocently repressed ...


              I haven’t read it, it’s like a witness myself ... in the mid-80s our institute was united with a plant, the director of which became the “general” director. He began by speaking at the meeting with a patriotic fervor, after we were severely punished even for a minute delay, and a few months later this "ideological" committed suicide - it emerged as a policeman during the Second World War ... saved the family from shame ... so judging the past in the present is the last case - not everything is so simple and on the surface hi
          5. adma
            adma 11 October 2016 18: 23
            +19
            Quote: the most important
            And what could a collective farmer do in a remote village in Siberia ??

            For example, organize the case of collective farm cattle.
            Quote: the most important
            grandfather in 1976 was completely rehabilitated.

            And then in a crowd and rehabilitated.
            They worked like that - they planted them in an ugly manner, rehabilitated in an osprey.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 11 October 2016 21: 44
              +2
              And then in a crowd and rehabilitated.
              They worked like that - they planted them in an ugly manner, rehabilitated in an osprey.


              And you don't have to go so far, they wanted to give me up to a tribunal in '83, for bringing all the fighters out unharmed. Kvachkov got an introduction, a promotion and a "well-deserved dismissal due to shell shock" for making the whole group a bed. All this dirt did not end in one fell swoop, but oozed where in streams, where in a drop until today.
          6. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 11 October 2016 18: 40
            +25
            What could a collective farmer do in a remote village in Siberia?

            And what? The young Soviet government had no enemies? There were, and there were many, and socialism was like a bone in the throat of these enemies, they needed chaos and lawlessness, such as now, that is, Capitalism, and what do you think should have been done with them? And that’s not all, the denunciations wrote, the neighbor is on the neighbor because he has a carpet on the wall and I don’t have any wallpaper, brother for brother for taking his bride away from him, son for father because he didn’t give money for the movie, colleagues on top of each other so that it would be more profitable to free a place, such a strange time. BUT the bulk of the people 99% simply worked hard to build their future, their new country, the rest went to the Gulag.
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 20: 48
              +3
              , the rest went to the Gulag

              Specifically, you could be among them.
            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 11 October 2016 21: 51
              +13
              Quote: Hupfri
              Specifically, you could be among them.

              Or you could. Together, for example, with the "innocently repressed" comrade Helmut Becker, the commander of the infantry regiment of the SS division "Dead Head". Executed by slander, of course, in 1953. Pichalka, right?
          7. 34 region
            34 region 11 October 2016 22: 41
            +8
            17.36. The most important! But can large barmels fighting in Syria threaten Assad? Russian Aerospace Forces bombing innocent collective farmers? winked
            1. the most important
              the most important 12 October 2016 16: 55
              0
              Quote: 34 region
              17.36. The most important! But can large barmels fighting in Syria threaten Assad? Russian Aerospace Forces bombing innocent collective farmers? winked

              Turn on the brain ... And do not mix the fight against terrorists and repression of the thirties.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 11 October 2016 18: 44
          +21
          Personally, my relatives were not shot or repressed. Specially recognized! On the part of the father, the relatives were prosperous. Your store. Mill for 15 villages, etc. No one was touched with a finger. True, the great-grandfather gave the good himself, voluntarily to the Bolsheviks. He was able to cut losses apparently.
        3. Hapfri
          Hapfri 11 October 2016 20: 45
          +4

          You will argue that all condemned for nothing?

          700 were shot for spying by the DEAD during WWII. Was there 000 spies? Or shot for nothing? Or was it possible not to shoot?
          General Pavlov was shot for negligence. For negligence generally shot?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 11 October 2016 21: 02
            +17
            Quote: Hupfri
            For spying SMERSH during WWII shot 700 000

            Can the source be? And then, according to official information, for the entire period of Stalin’s reign, they didn’t shoot so much.
            Quote: Hupfri
            General Pavlov was shot for negligence. For negligence generally shot?

            It depends on what. In addition, even Khrushchev wrote that
            ... if we consider the issue from a legal and factual point of view, on which the court was based when it sentenced, then the grounds for conviction were evident
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 21: 45
              +1
              In addition, even Khrushchev wrote that

              Is it that Khrushchov who specially invented an execution article for Yan Rokotov for currency fraud and put it into effect retroactively? The great lawyer has nothing to say. You can shoot us all under this article. This is idiocy
              And then there is a definite punishment for negligence.
              But this is definitely not a shooting.
              This is the question of "socialist legality"
          2. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 21: 06
            +19
            For negligence, a criminal article, by the way, and in case of war, weighed down by losses, shot.
            Quote: Hupfri
            For spying SMERSH during WWII, 700 were shot.

            Where does the tsyfirka come from?
            Quote: Hupfri
            General Pavlov was shot for negligence.

            With 44 divisions, a huge number of tanks (approx. 3000), powerful artillery and aviation, the Western Front under his command collapsed in four days.

            From the memoirs of the head of the Department of Tactics VVIA them. Zhukovsky, Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General of Aviation Sergei Fedorovich Dolgushin, who met the war as a lieutenant in the 122nd Fighter Aviation Regiment (IAP) directly on the border, in the ZAPOVO strip: “... On the eve of the war, I served at an airport located 17 km from borders. On Saturday, June 21, 1941, the commander of the district general of the army Pavlov flew to us, the commander of the district air force, general Kopets ... Makarov and I were sent for aerial reconnaissance. At the German airport until this day there were only 30 aircraft. We checked this several times, but on that day it turned out that more than 200 German planes were transferred there ... ”

            A small comment. Simply put, an emergency reconnaissance urgently carried out in the presence of the two main persons responsible for the combat readiness of the district and its air force clearly identified the exceptional danger hanging over the USSR and, in particular, over ZAPOVO. Indeed, the explosive, more than seven-fold increase in the number of enemy aircraft at the enemy’s border airport meant that he was ready to attack the Soviet Union in the coming hours! Moreover, these data strictly fit into the framework of the General Staff directive of June 18, 1941 on the reality of the attack in the coming days, in connection with which an order was issued to bring all troops of all border districts to full combat readiness.

            What do you think, what did the commander of ZAPOVO General Pavlov do? If there is such data and such an order from the General Staff? And here’s what: “At 18 o'clock the commander ordered to remove weapons and ammunition from the planes. An order is an order - we removed the weapon. But the boxes of ammunition left. On June 22, at 2:30 a.m., an alarm was announced, and instead of taking off and covering the airfield, we urgently installed guns and machine guns on airplanes. Our guns were the first to install our unit, and then 15 enemy planes appeared ... ” Just think, what kind of order was given! In a particularly threatened period, when there is irrefutable evidence that Nazi adversaries are about to make an unsolicited “visit”, pilots of a fighter aviation regiment based just 17 km from the border are ordered to remove weapons and ammunition from the planes! And by whom? District Air Force commanders and ZAPOVO generals Kopets and Pavlov themselves! Neither one nor the other could not give such an order without each other - it was clearly agreed between them! I hope it will now be clear why, in the very first minutes of the aggression, the pilots — those who managed to take off — had to go ramming in order to defend their homeland — the very first ramming took place at 4 a.m. morning of June 15! After all, they had no weapons or ammunition on board. By order of two commanders!


            5. At 16.00 on June 21, the commander of the 10th SAD deployed in the Brest-Kobrin (ZAPOVO) area, Colonel Belov, received the encryption from the ZAPOVO headquarters of the following content: order of June 20 to bring the units into full combat readiness and cancel the vacation! That is, as in the first case, the ZAPOVO commander, Army General Pavlov personally authorized - the district headquarters could not give such an order without him - to cancel the General Staff directive of June 18, 1941!
            based on materials from sources
            http://maxpark.com/user/2059104700/content/682011
            http://ataman-krasnoff.livejournal.com/4307.html
            http://www.istorya.ru/forum/?showtopic=1700
            http://delostalina.ru/?p=742
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 21: 49
              0
              Where is the tsifirka

              Googel to the rescue. Jumps out right away.
            2. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 22: 13
              +1
              What do you think, what did the commander of ZAPOVO General Pavlov do? If there is such data and such an order from the General Staff?

              Well, these sheets do not need to be deployed here. I myself can pile on no less.
              Answer the question why then Pavlov was convicted of negligence.
              What am I expressing myself incomprehensibly?
          3. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 11 October 2016 21: 58
            +10
            Quote: Hupfri
            For spying SMERSH during WWII shot 700 000

            Otkel firewood? Gozman is not your relative?
            Quote: Hupfri
            There were 700 spies?

            How much was it? It is a pity, of course, that at that time there were no such delugans like you! You would have shown how to seize the homeland. Not that there is some Smersh!
            Quote: Hupfri
            General Pavlov was shot for negligence. For negligence generally shot?

            DARAGOY, and you work as an ACCOUNTANT? Do you have any idea about military service? Well there, left and right, tudes-syudy?
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 22: 09
              +1
              Otkel firewood? Gozman is not your relative?

              Well ka ka ka. What does Gozman have to do with it?
            2. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 22: 23
              +3
              You would have shown how to seize the homeland

              To steal? There was no thought to abduct or abduct in thoughts.
              Not to plunder.
              If it comes to defending the homeland, then you have already shown everything, showed everyone how not to do it. The emergence of the Germans near Moscow in October is called the collapse of German plans. What time! Means what? And in the next war it is so possible. Whoever ditched more than his soldiers is the hero.
              The collective farm system could not fight and act differently. He could act only this way and nothing else
              DARAGOY, and you work as an ACCOUNTANT?

              You are also burry to everything else.
              Have you heard anything about legality? About the code, legal proceedings?
              What laws are passed, then they are applied. And you can’t twist laws as you want.
              But in the USSR it turns out you can
          4. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 11 October 2016 22: 21
            +8
            Quote: Hupfri
            Well ka ka ka. What does Gozman have to do with it?

            And also, scum about that, with SMERSH "fought". You can even complain about me smile
            Quote: Hupfri
            then you already showed everything, showed everyone how not to do it. The emergence of the Germans near Moscow

            Those. you are not us? You're on the other side! This is clear from the first post. It is not clear how they got to Lelik.
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 23: 27
              +2
              You can even complain about me

              Complaining about you? In addition to amazing incompetence, I have nothing to present to you.
              You're on the other side! This is clear from the first post. It's not clear how they got to Lelik.

              Of course on the other.
              Do you really think that I am attracted to collective farm ideals?
              Are you ready to share the responsibility for the death of 27 million citizens? Yes you are just a cannibal, my dear
          5. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 11 October 2016 22: 36
            +7
            Quote: Hupfri
            You are also burry to everything else.

            Yes there is a bit. After people like you, sometimes you want to smoke a pipe.
            Quote: Hupfri
            Have you heard anything about legality? About the code, legal proceedings?
            What laws are passed, then they are applied. And you can’t twist laws as you want.
            But in the USSR it turns out you can

            Draw a poster and you can travel around the world with it. You can start at the Washington Regional Committee. Well, there fight for the rights of blacks, the Indians ... Drive them to Africa, tell us about the rights there ... Cut out, come on, the war is on! Lawyer, damn it.
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 11 October 2016 23: 38
              +2
              After people like you, sometimes I want to light a pipe

              It is noticeable that you smoke. Do not overdo it. And then hallucinations will prevent you from laughing senselessly
              ... Cut out, come on, the war is on! Lawyer, damn it.

              But from this, as Stirlitz said, it was necessary to start.
              So you can do anything, war, collectivization, industrialization, or whatever else .... everything will be written off. Well then everything is clear what I mean.
          6. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 11 October 2016 23: 46
            +7
            Quote: Hupfri
            Complaining about you? In addition to amazing incompetence, I have nothing to present to you.

            Yeah, where do I go against your competence?
            Quote: Hupfri
            Googel to the rescue. Jumps out right away.



            Quote: Hupfri
            Of course on the other.
            Do you really think that I am attracted to collective farm ideals?

            I'm just sure you are seduced geyrop European ideals and I am directly burning with impatience to learn the name of the country that "correctly" fought against Hitler.
            Quote: Hupfri
            Are you ready to share the responsibility for the death of 27 million citizens? Yes you are just a cannibal, my dear

            And so you transferred these victims to the USSR smoothly? You are a Nazi, I understand correctly?
          7. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 12 October 2016 00: 04
            +8
            Quote: Hupfri
            So you can do anything, war, collectivization, industrialization, or whatever else .... everything will be written off. Well then everything is clear what I mean.

            "Get up" industrialization! These are five balls! laughing
            And we also "got up" the war? Write more!
            1. veteran66
              veteran66 13 October 2016 06: 47
              +1
              "Get up" industrialization! These are five balls! laughing
              [/ Quote]
              Well, why not remember Lavrov? Well, you commies so blinded?
          8. justas-xnumx
            justas-xnumx 12 October 2016 20: 38
            +2
            No need to tell scary tales, here, read: http://www.universalinternetlibrary.ru/book/23035
            /ogl.shtml
      4. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 17: 38
        +47
        And?
        Call the article, for what? Or, as always, here are innocent everyone and that's it?
        You yourself served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... uh ... well, how did it hinder your father from having a grandfather who fell under the tribunal at 37, you won’t say that you weren’t given access?
        It may be enough to identify your 1 grandfather, with a verdict in court, with mythical millions of billions, like Solzhenitsyn’s?
        This is all your Solzhenitsyn
        http://ruskline.ru/analitika/2014/02/07/solzhenic
        yn_klassik_lzhi_i_predatelstva
        Nothing to do with this ....... well, in general, a lying person, I personally would not want to have.
        The cult of personality .. there would be PERSONALITY, there would be a cult, there is none and there is no cult.
        Despite the attempts to mold a "personality" out of Mizgir-Solzhenitsyn, it does not work.
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 11 October 2016 19: 14
          +8
          ... in court, with mythical millions of billions, like Solzhenitsyn’s?

          Do you respect Mendeleev? In addition to the fortress of vodka at 38,5 degrees, Dmitry Ivanovich calculated that by the year 2000, 600 million people would live in the Russian Empire alone.
          10 million in civilian, 30 million in World War II. Where are the rest of the people, Zin. There is no need to blame Solzhenitsyn if the stigma is down. And how Twardowski (friend Solzhenitsyn) spread rot for Vasily Terkin. Zhdanov with a company of party flocks taught a war veteran how to properly love his homeland. Yes, the gopher tried to compose fables about Solzhenitsyn. But this is where the whole millionth army of historians of Marxist-Leninist-scientific communists was in 1985. When our country in all the media was slandered. Where during perestroika these professional homeland lovers kept their languages.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 19: 36
            +16
            Even a great mind, even one like Mendeleev, can be mistaken.
            Take for calculation the size of the peasant family at the end of the 19th century and extrapolate it to 20, excluding the fact that every peasant family in the second generation living in the city gives only TWO descendants, this is the ERROR of the scientist used by liars, such as the one who first threw her professors from Boston.
            10 million in Civil, two-thirds of this, the WHITE and ANTANTES fault, it does not suit you, but it is.
            27 million in the war, and this is Hitler's fault, do you justify it?
            Together with the West, which nurtured, set Germany against the USSR.
            It pleases you, all these losses, you have the principle that every bast is in line, even if the bast is rotten.
            The clearest example, the intellectuals who didn’t understand anything, utterly perverted, who was at one time in the political structures of Igor Chubais, what all kinds of nonsense he’s talking about ... and ask him where he was with a couple of guides ..
            Chubais is a diagnosis
            https://cont.ws/post/395669#com4342638

            Repression (late Lat. Repressio - suppression, from lat. Reprimo - suppress), the punishment applied by the state. Criminal, political, and elementary collection of a fine for any offense is repression. We all know the Leninist definition of the state - "this is a machine for subordinating one class to another." Thus, under any regime, one of the functions of the state is repression. Therefore, under the USSR, there were naturally repressions by the state.
          2. chenia
            chenia 11 October 2016 20: 17
            +9
            Quote: Mahmut
            Do you respect Mendeleev? In addition to the fortress of vodka at 38,5 degrees, Dmitry Ivanovich calculated that by the year 2000, 600 million people would live in the Russian Empire alone.
            10 million in civilian, 30 million in World War II. Where are the rest of the people, Zin. There is no need to blame Solzhenitsyn if the stigma is down.


            Solzhenitsyn is a liar - unambiguously, and consciously (a person who had an engineering education does not have the right to make such mistakes - he knew what he was doing).

            Mendeleev - well, he’s not a demographer, it has long been proved that he was terribly wrong (and don’t sing about the US forecast - and there’s an error with the coefficient 0,8).

            And the forecast for population growth in the Republic of Ingushetia from 1950 to 2000. he generally 0,62 (in these years there were practically no repressions, there were no wars, so the percentage of growth is easily calculated).

            I think if you are not very hard on yourself, you can easily make the calculations yourself. To do this, determine the growth (percentage growth) of European countries for the specified period - and that’s it (hereinafter - the test for your intelligence level).
      5. dr.star75
        dr.star75 11 October 2016 17: 45
        +20
        "Father (he was 8 years old) was hidden by relatives under a false name .." Well, why didn't they shoot the relatives? Didn't the grandmother die of her own death? Didn't they shoot, didn't they convict, didn't they exile?
        Are you not the daughter of an officer from the Crimea?
        1. Passer
          Passer 11 October 2016 22: 05
          +17
          Quote: dr.star75
          "Father (he was 8 years old) was hidden by relatives under a false name .." Well, why didn't they shoot the relatives? Didn't your grandmother die of her own death? Wasn't she shot, convicted, or exiled? Are you not the daughter of an officer from Crimea?

          Yes, okay, one character, with foam at his mouth, proved to me that the bloody Bolsheviks shot his grandfather at the age of 5 (for which it’s not clear), and his grandmother was sent to Siberia at the age of 37 at the age of 12. for the fact that she took three ears of wheat from the collective farm field, because there was a famine in the country, where she soon died on the construction of the Baikal-Amur Railway.
          To my question: "Where did you come from if your ancestors were tortured in childhood?", He was called an insensitive bastard, and did not receive an intelligible answer.
        2. the most important
          the most important 12 October 2016 16: 57
          0
          Quote: dr.star75
          Are you not the daughter of an officer from the Crimea?

          No ... I have nothing to do with you!
      6. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 11 October 2016 17: 54
        +21
        Unfortunately, at all times, the Russian government used to go too far. It was under the tsars and in almost all the years of Soviet power, now it has just "relaxed" to those to whom it is impossible to relax. But what Solzhenitsyn described is mostly fiction , resentment against the authorities. It is clear that you have had a great grief in your life, but Solzhenitsyn is not the person to whom monuments and museums should be erected.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 11 October 2016 18: 49
          +7
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Russian used to go too far.

          And can you name the power where the stick is not bent?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 11 October 2016 19: 17
            +3
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            power where the stick is not bent

            For distant lands, in the kingdom of the Fifties, in the fiftieth state.
            Everything else happens in all others.
          2. aleksandroff
            aleksandroff 11 October 2016 19: 18
            +10
            in the states now worse than that of Stalin. slavery in prisons is natural and they sit a lot just like that. who are interested, take an interest. and everyone is silent and no one repents. why are we forced to repent? from where 3 million killed were invented. in all the years there haven’t been so many people there? and the memory of Solzhenitsyn's traitor needs to be weathered.
      7. BARKAS
        BARKAS 11 October 2016 17: 56
        +17
        Solzhenitsyn many repressed hated for a lie such as the same Shalamov!
        https://cont.ws/post/309471
      8. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 11 October 2016 18: 02
        +9
        the most important and why did you hide your father, if he was 8 years old? you old friend apparently didn’t fantasize a lot belay
        1. the most important
          the most important 11 October 2016 18: 12
          +5
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          and why did you hide your father, if he was 8 years old? you my friend apparently didn’t fantasize a lot

          It’s hard for you now to imagine what was happening then ... Denunciations .. Of course there were, but when a person has a choice or sign a denunciation (people themselves didn’t write denunciations, they were illiterate, they just signed - they’re in business) or you go under the article, is it possible to blame them for this? It is possible that Solzhenitsyn fantasized a lot, but when you are holding on to your grandfather, then it’s not a fantasy ...
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 11 October 2016 19: 26
            +24
            By the way, the most important, you did not answer on what article your grandfather was shot.
            For example, when the Nazis bombed Leningrad at night, hundreds of flashlights shone in the sky, highlighting targets (from the stories of the blockade). Who would it be?
            My great-grandfathers were dispossessed. There were. My Soviet grandfathers put my grandfathers on their feet. Fact. Liberoid power ruined the country and killed millions. So that you can figure it out.
            Let me remind you. An article about Solzhenitsyn. I personally have enough of his videos in the USA where he calls on cowboys to bomb the USSR with nuclear bombs. This is the enemy.
            1. the most important
              the most important 11 October 2016 22: 36
              +1
              Quote: Barkhan
              By the way, the most important, you did not answer on what article your grandfather was shot.

              I repeat: Art. for conducting anti-socialist agitation. I repeat: in 58. I repeat once again that in 1937 he was completely rehabilitated. So the flashlight example is not suitable. And somehow it is unlikely that hundreds of flashlights illuminated the target (i.e. themselves ???). most likely it’s Zhdanov’s propaganda, in order to somehow explain its failures (stupidity) in the defense of the city.
            2. Hapfri
              Hapfri 12 October 2016 00: 01
              +2
              Liberoid power ruined the country and killed millions.

              Are these gerontocrats from the Central Committee of the CPSU liberoids? Or Komsomol members who became oligarchs? And what is such a beloved power of women! and disappeared overnight? And no one rushed to save the beloved system of all. No one.
              And millions suddenly took and ditched. But somehow imperceptibly. And now millions ditched in your glitches on foreign cars about which you could not even dream about in your favorite times.
      9. Etric
        Etric 11 October 2016 18: 04
        +27
        and who wrote a denunciation to your grandfather? Stalin? Beria? such creatures as Solzhenitsyn wrote, throwing good people into the crucible of repression.
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 18: 23
          +13
          Khrushchev, and after him the 'architects of Perestroika' under the name of 'victims of the repressions' cleverly united several completely different groups:
          Having examined the cases of convicted criminals, the Prosecutor General of Russia, MODERN RUSSIA, Kazannik publicly stated that "during the time of Stalin, the law was not violated."

          What else can we talk about?
          - State criminals (Vlasovites, policemen, other traitors, agents of foreign intelligence, saboteurs, etc.)
          - Criminal offenders who were convicted as counter-revolutionary criminals, according to the traditions of the time.
          - Innocently affected by the errors of justice (they cannot be avoided in any society, this was condemned in previous articles).
          - People affected by the unlawful (criminal) actions of clan (mafia) groups and individuals of state bodies (up to 300 thousand people, mostly rehabilitated in the 30s)
          - People affected by the clans of the emerging party oligarchy 34-39 years (mostly members of the warring factions)
          - Persons who resist the state policy in industrialization and collectivization (up to 200 thousand people).
          - Persons affected by centralized state repressions at the end of 39-40. conducted with the aim of preventing the seizure of power and property by oligarchic clans ('perestroika').

          Not only different groups of convicts are united into one, but also different periods of our history. For example, the period of the Red Terror, which was the answer (almost a year later!) To the White Terror. The period of the fight against banditry and the post-revolutionary lawlessness of the former Red "field commanders" and their subsequent punishment in the 20s and early 30s. Fierce struggle against foreign intelligence services and saboteurs in the 30s and the formed Trotskyist opposition
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      11. DarkMatter
        DarkMatter 11 October 2016 18: 33
        +24
        They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in 37.


        Do not confuse soft with warm. The conversation about Solzhenitsin, who was a liar, fantasized his books to tarnish his homeland, whatever it was. I would be a decent person - I would write the TRUTH, albeit a bad one, everyone knows what time it was. But do not multiply everything by five and pass off your sick fantasies as the cry of a free soul !!!
        Sharing him and I do not understand in any way how our authorities can put him on a par with Gagarin, Pushkin and Suvorov.
        1. DarkMatter
          DarkMatter 11 October 2016 20: 50
          +5
          Well, the continuation can be thrown
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 12 October 2016 12: 48
            +3
            There will be no Third World War.

            Because she is already going.

            Verbal, psychological. The war of meanings and images.
            In Russia, Putin announced the year of Solzhenitsyn.
            I do not understand this.
            It is as if in the fall of the 41st Stalin would declare the year of Mannerheim in the USSR. Or Kolchak. This fact shows that in a real war of meanings we are still unarmed. And if we need victory, we will have to sharpen the appropriate weapons. Not only Iskanders and Maces. Meanings and Values. Ideology. How to fight for psychohistory. One where 28 Panfilov and Solzhenitsyn are not heroes at the same time.

            The house divided in itself will not stand. It's time to decide on our past.
            Solzhenitsyn is the collapse of the USSR.
            And for Putin, this is the main tragedy of the twentieth century. How can you combine this in yourself? Solzhenitsyn - and the feeling of the tragedy of the collapse of the USSR with its pantheon of heroes? How can you go to war with this?
            We expect other words from Putin. Other heroes and characters.
            For whoever owns the past determines the future.
            If your hero is Solzhenitsyn - do not expect victory.
            And 28 Panfilov’s will not be with you in this war.
            They will leave the battlefield. Your destiny is defeat.
            We still do not have certainty in the heroes. Here we have a bungle. While we are in the position of retreating troops in November 41st. Behind Moscow. Nowhere else to retreat. The main battle is brewing. It's time to say the word to the world.

            "Comrades! Citizens! Brothers and sisters! I appeal to you, my friends!"

            And then we will overcome any adversary. And he, adversary, knows that.

            The ENEMY will fight differently - by meanness, bribery, treason. Slander. False heroes who are on their undercover records. And we will have to go through our battle near Moscow and create our own means of ideological defeat of the enemy. His ideological "Katyusha".
            https://cont.ws/post/397590
      12. veteran66
        veteran66 11 October 2016 18: 53
        +6
        Yes, everything is numbed by commies, but judging by the pluses, it’s not a site but a scoop that’s direct, Censor, just the opposite.
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 11 October 2016 19: 03
          +16
          Quote: veteran66
          Yes, everything is numbed by commies, but judging by the pluses, it’s not a site but a scoop that’s direct, Censor, just the opposite.

          I read you and my soul became calmer .... Russia is alive, and you didn’t have time to spoil our souls completely! hi

          Our generation is growing in combat ... Now without ideology, but the Patriots of the Russian Army and Navy!
        2. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 11 October 2016 19: 07
          +11
          Something affected by the repressions is in no hurry to file the case and the article on which the grandfather was convicted. Although he boasted the names of investigators. I’m such a bastard, I believe the facts, and expressiveness is not an argument for me.
        3. pv1005
          pv1005 11 October 2016 19: 13
          +16
          Quote: veteran66
          Yes, everything is numbed by commies, but judging by the pluses, it’s not a site but a scoop that’s direct, Censor, just the opposite.

          Well, they would go where in the rain or what an echo. Why are you here for the second year? request
        4. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 19: 44
          +13
          What do you need?
          Show love for anti-Soviet and Russophobia?
          Strange aberration of consciousness ...
          L.P. Karsavin (1882–1962) on the Great October Socialist Revolution, exiled from the USSR, on the notorious philosophical ship: “In essence, the policy of the Bolsheviks was, if not the best, then, in any case, under the given conditions, maybe the only suitable means for preservation of Russian statehood and culture. ”
          Perhaps the most prominent scientist and writer of the deportees - Nikolai Aleksandrovich Berdyaev (1874-1948) - took a clearly patriotic position in the war, supporting the Soviet people and leadership. “The German invasion of Russian land shocked the depths of my being,” he wrote in the book “Self-knowledge. The experience of philosophical autobiography. " - My Russia was in mortal danger, it could be dismembered and enslaved. There was a time when it was possible to think that the Germans would win. I always believed in the invincibility of Russia. But the danger for Russia was painfully experienced ... I divided people into those who wished the victory of Russia and those who wished the victory of Germany. I didn’t agree to meet the second category of people, I considered them traitors. ”Replace the name of the country, from Germany to America and everything falls into place.
          Therefore, Solzhenitsyn and his slander traitors.
        5. Stas157
          Stas157 11 October 2016 19: 47
          +4
          Quote: veteran66
          Yes, everything is numbed by commies, but judging by the pluses, it’s not a site but a scoop that’s direct, Censor, just the opposite.

          Well no! We have full edrosov and communist haters. One Marshal Romanov is worth it! So in this regard, complete democracy!
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 11 October 2016 21: 00
            +3
            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: veteran66
            Yes, everything is numbed by commies, but judging by the pluses, it’s not a site but a scoop that’s direct, Censor, just the opposite.

            Well no! We have full edrosov and communist haters. One Marshal Romanov is worth it! So in this regard, complete democracy!

            Alexander Romanov hates cops and communists, that's for sure ... But he didn’t use his official position, that's for sure (but sometimes ..))) soldier
            And now it’s become more interesting on the site, I’m learning a lot of new things! Previously, just a gang minus and that's all! laughing
            I feel sorry for them ... But still ready for dialogue ...!

            The site should be quiet and respectful ... bully
        6. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 11 October 2016 20: 33
          +6
          veteran66 along the way you are the son of Novodvorskaya! laughing
          1. veteran66
            veteran66 11 October 2016 21: 50
            0
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            in the course of the son of Novodvorskaya!

            not, the son of a simple major air defense pilot, but I hate Novodvorskaya - bow
            1. Bloodsucker
              Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 22: 01
              +3
              However, you behave like a neophyte - a fan of Novodvorskaya, word-of-mouth conversations and the train of thought are exactly the same.
        7. vvv-73
          vvv-73 11 October 2016 20: 51
          +9
          Yes, it’s you — lebiroids who can’t get away with it at all — blasphemed the entire Soviet period in the 90s.
        8. Hapfri
          Hapfri 12 October 2016 07: 52
          +2

          Yes, everything is nonsense for commies, but judging by the pluses, it’s not a site but a scoop,

          Slice of modern society. Aberration of memory. The Stalinist USSR appears to be harsh but fair society. Everyone believes that he would certainly be on this side of the thorn.
      13. avdkrd
        avdkrd 11 October 2016 20: 03
        +13
        Quote: the most important
        They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ???

        Times were harsh, Stalin was cleaning the country of compradors, repressions did not arise out of the blue. No one denies the excesses and abuses of some particularly stubborn (like Khrushchev) I do not know why and who shot your grandfather, but I sympathize. Tell me where is Solzhenitsin? Should his scribbling be appreciated for denouncing the "tyrant"? He was arrested in February 1945 (Karl's Victory Year!) For harsh anti-Stalinist statements in letters to a friend. Once again - in February 1945 !!! He's just a wicked mu ... And in the camps he got a good job - he did not fell wood and did not extract ore, but until 1947 he was an assistant to a parquet flooring worker at the construction of a residential building in Moscow on Leninsky Prospekt, then a foreman at an unloading center, a normalizer, and again a foreman. In 1947-1950. "Worked" in a clerical position in the special prison "Marfino", from where he was transferred to the camp during the inventory, since he did not have an academic degree and was not of any interest to science. In the camp, he was again given a dust-free position - a librarian. Both in prison and in the camps, Solzhenitsyn repeatedly had meetings with his wife. In the camp, he underwent a successfully performed oncological operation, which, according to statistics, is rarely successful. Solzhenitsyn, on the other hand, lived after it for more than fifty years. In fact, the figures for prisoners and those executed in the USSR do not exceed and even lower than in the United States for the same period.
        His track record in the "camps" unequivocally hints at cooperation with the administration, he was a mere snitch, which also characterizes Solzhenitsyn not in the best light. Resume - a person who fell under the skating rink of the system because he was an idiot and during the most difficult war allowed himself not just criticism (this is three months before the Victory), but insulting and defamatory statements (letters) about Stalin, during his imprisonment he had the opportunity to pick into to put on a "denouncing" novel about something that he himself did not see and which does not differ in certainty. It is clear that not everything in his work is a lie - 20 percent of the truth, maybe even half, but this is not a reason to make him a martyr of conscience. I fully support the action of the "communist youth". We ... still had to shit.
        1. Passer
          Passer 11 October 2016 22: 22
          +6
          Quote: avdkrd
          It is clear that not everything in his composition is a lie - 20 percent of the truth, maybe even half,

          I read all three volumes of this "work", well, maybe 20 percent will be scraped up, where he tells a loved one about himself (and that, in my opinion, is lying like a gray gelding, posing as an innocent lamb). For the rest, the whole story is built, mainly on the principle of OBS (here one convict told what he heard from another, and that one from the third, who either saw it himself, or invented it himself).
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        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 12 October 2016 02: 07
          0
          http://rusplt.ru/fact/opravdatelnie-prigovori.htm
          l here are some more small numbers in favor of your argument
        2. Hapfri
          Hapfri 12 October 2016 08: 25
          +2
          There are different numbers
          Until 1938, there were only about 1 million prisoners in camps and colonies, and in the most difficult years of Industrialization, there were about 0.5 million at all, as, for example, in 1934. That is, all the years of Industrialization, including 1937, and there was no talk of any “millions of convicts”

          On average, for two years in 1937-1938. 1000 to 1200 people per day were executed throughout the country. Never in the history of our justice have there been so many executions in peacetime. This is a medical, clear fact. The similar intensity of executions even of a completely stubborn person, but who has not yet atrophied to the perception of the numbers and scale of the phenomenon, can make one think. For a couple of weeks in 1937, more than all the military district courts and military field courts of Tsarist Russia were shot over for 100 years. How, then, can one talk about the bloody tsarism, about the whips of the officer, the hooves of the Cossacks and Colonel Riemann (and without this there’s nowhere), if there’s not a log in the eye, but a whole ship’s forest.
          There are also summary data in the FSB Central Asia. According to the Certificate 1 of the special department of the NKVD of the USSR on the number of people arrested and convicted during the period from October 1, 1936 to November 1, 1938 (Central Administration of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. F. 8 employees. Op. 1. D. 70. L.97-98. Original .. Published: The tragedy of the Soviet village. Collectivization and dispossession. 1927-1939. In 5 volumes. T. 5. Book 1,2. M.: ROSSPEN, 2006.) signed by Deputy. Captain Zubkin, the head of the 1st special department of the NKVD of the USSR, and Kremnev, chief of the 5th department of the senior lieutenant of state security, from 1 October 1936, to 1 November 1938, 668 people were sentenced to VMN.
          Until 1938, only about 1 million were in camps and colonies.

          ... Usually they make big eyes and use the phrase "just". Not 7 million were shot, but "only" 700 thousand. Allegedly, this "reduction" turns what happened in the USSR over these two years into "not so terrible and special."

          This demagogic device, by the way, is actively used by both Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis of all stripes. In Mathausen, not 1.5 million died, but "only" 320 thousand people.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 12 October 2016 10: 05
            +6
            [quote = Hapfrey] There are different numbers
            [Quote]
            On average, for two years in 1937-1938. 1000 to 1200 people per day were executed throughout the country.

            After this phrase, you can read all the rest, not a frank FALSE.
            There are also summary data in the FSB Central Asia. According to the Certificate 1 of the special department of the NKVD of the USSR on the number of people arrested and convicted during the period from October 1, 1936 to November 1, 1938 (Central Administration of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. F. 8 employees. Op. 1. D. 70. L.97-98. Original .. Published: The tragedy of the Soviet village. Collectivization and dispossession. 1927-1939. In 5 volumes. T. 5. Book 1,2. M.: ROSSPEN, 2006.) signed by Deputy. Captain Zubkin, the head of the 1st special department of the NKVD of the USSR, and Kremnev, chief of the 5th department of the senior lieutenant of state security, from 1 October 1936, to 1 November 1938, 668 people were sentenced to VMN.
            Another frank FALSE, Zemskov's research, which was not noticed in his sympathies for socialism, does not confirm this stuffing, the reference by Rudenko gives the exact figure for the period from 1921 to 1953.
            [quote] Until 1938, there were only about 1 million in camps and colonies
            [/ Quote]
            ... Usually they make big eyes and use the phrase "just". Not 7 million were shot, but "only" 700 thousand. Allegedly, this "reduction" turns what happened in the USSR over these two years into "not so terrible and special."
            Another demagogic technique, absolutely without any basis besides emotional coloring, give a tear.
            All nonsense taken from here -http: //corporatelie.livejournal.com/90414.
            html? thread = 5509678
            Feck techniques and photoshop, you can make any large number of "documents", mind you, the author of this dirty information is not listed.
            This demagogic device, by the way, is actively used by both Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis of all stripes. In Mathausen, not 1.5 million died, but "only" 320 thousand people. [/ Quote]
            In Mauthausen, Ravensbrück, Dachau, Auschwitz, people of different nationalities perished. In one of these camps, they were forced to change the sign indicating the allegedly exclusively "exterminated Jews in the millions" to more modest numbers - thousands. The tragedy was, but it was not only a tragedy of Jews ...
            So here is another terry FALSE.
            In relation to the population of the USSR, the Nazis applied the policy of the GENOCIDE, but something like yelling and regrets, strewing ashes on the head from liars about the Holocaust, you can’t wait for them, for them 27 million Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, other citizens of the country destroyed by the Nazis, not that number, not those people and in general can be forgotten about them.
      15. Robert49
        Robert49 11 October 2016 21: 09
        +4
        Is your grandfather a bandit or a representative of the 5th column?
      16. Smog
        Smog 11 October 2016 21: 44
        +7
        They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ???
        Or himself from the NKVDeshnikov ?? By the way !! The modern militia-police has nothing to do with executions. He himself served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for many years.

        Without words!
      17. 34 region
        34 region 11 October 2016 22: 25
        +7
        17.26. The most important! When are gunmen shot in the counter-terrorist operation today? When troops were brought into Chechnya, is this the suppression of a popular uprising? At first they promised independence to all republics, and then they began to bomb civilians? Although, apart from Chechnya, no separate republics bombed anymore. Those who harbor terrorists today are suffering from the Putin regime? Is gang suppression a cult of Putin’s personality? Are the troops who fought in Chechnya punitive detachments of the NKVD Putin?
        1. murriou
          murriou 12 October 2016 08: 46
          +2
          Current liberalists and bakers seem to think so.
      18. Shurik70
        Shurik70 11 October 2016 22: 35
        +15
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Gray Brother
        They did everything right.

        They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in 37.

        Don't confuse "cult" with the respect of the people.
        There were no cults in the USSR. This Khrushchev coined the term.
        My grandfather was captured in the 41st, fled twice, in the 43rd he successfully reached his own, until the end of the war in a penal battalion.
        And never did Stalin blame. He believed that everything was right. I believe in grandfather more than Solzhenitsyn.
      19. Saburov
        Saburov 12 October 2016 00: 06
        +6
        The fact that your grandfather was shot, I sympathize. But your grandfather cannot be an example of the whole system. And even more so 60-th millions from SZOLZHENITSyna allegedly repressed. Have you ever tried to raise the case of your grandfather and ask why he was shot? Many who raised the affairs of their relatives were reluctant to find out that they were involved in accounting fraud, theft of concrete, deliberate provocations, etc. And plus everything you need to understand what harm the system caused the Trotskyists, led by Yagoda and Yezhov in the apparatus of the NKVD. The first was a thief who even had an account with a Swiss bank, the second go.mos.ek, with an inferiority complex and both are obsessed with the ideas of the world revolution. In general, there is only one single recognized document regarding political repression and it is not in favor of fans of the Cult of the Person and human rights defenders. That is why they never mention him, but take not reasoned figures from the ceiling. Since the numbers of those shot, even up to 700 thousand, do not reach. Here is the document itself.

        PS History should be studied in archives with a signature, a seal and an archive register, and not in the camp tales of the informer and coward Solzhenitsyn.
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 12 October 2016 00: 10
          +7
          Well, a general review of who SALZHENITSyn is, how his comrades-in-arms and former friends, dissidents speak about him and how he got there at all. In general, do not be lazy and read the Gulag achipelago to understand what nonsense and frank tales he is poisoning there.
          1. Saburov
            Saburov 12 October 2016 00: 19
            +4
            In general, Andrei Fursov (Soviet and Russian scientist-historian, social philosopher, social scientist, publicist. Candidate of historical sciences. Head of the Department of Asia and Africa, member of the Scientific Council of the Institute of Scientific Information on Social Sciences) said well about this fuss with repressions and why it is actively shoved. RAS, Associate Professor, Department of History of the Near and Middle East, Institute of Asian and African Countries, Lomonosov Moscow State University, Director of the Center for Russian Studies, Institute for Fundamental and Applied Research, Moscow Humane University, Director of the Research Institute for Systems and Strategic Analysis).
        2. the most important
          the most important 12 October 2016 17: 17
          0
          Quote: Saburov
          Have you ever tried to raise the case of your grandfather and ask why he was shot?

          I have kept a copy of the file at home for about twenty years. This "case" consists of several pieces of paper. Now more papers are being collected for petty hooliganism (a fine of 1000 rubles). The standard charge of counterrevolutionary activity, participation in the struggle against Soviet power (Kolchak people came and lived at his house and at the same time caught deserters around the neighborhood). As if he could refuse and not let the soldiers into the house.
          1. Saburov
            Saburov 13 October 2016 17: 19
            +2
            Quote: the most important
            I have kept a copy of the file at home for about twenty years. This "case" consists of several pieces of paper. Now more papers are being collected for petty hooliganism (a fine of 1000 rubles). The standard charge of counterrevolutionary activity, participation in the struggle against Soviet power (Kolchak people came and lived at his house and at the same time caught deserters around the neighborhood). As if he could refuse and not let the soldiers into the house.


            Well, you see, that is, there was a reason. But the nuances of the matter are not known to us unfortunately. I will advise you to make an official request to the archive (by law, you should be given access or a copy of the criminal case as a relative, but this is if he has been rehabilitated) and the case is not based on three pieces of paper, usually a minimum of 20 sheets (testimony, conclusions, etc.). And it is entirely possible that your grandfather did not report this to the authorities on time or that someone from his friends remembered this for a long time.
      20. kazak08
        kazak08 12 October 2016 01: 27
        +3
        who was my grandfather, didn’t hang out with Tukhachevsky for an hour or worked part-time, or maybe Comrade Trotsky’s Leo, was preparing to meet with flowers or was it just from informing your friends at work? plopped in 38-39g
      21. ddd1975
        ddd1975 12 October 2016 03: 39
        +6
        Times were difficult - no one argues; And in my family there were immigrants and fear for the origin and relatives who fought with the Soviets on the CER until the age of 25. But from my great-grandfather (retired colonel for 46 years) I never heard accusations against the authorities (although he noted that there were "excesses"). But to praise a person with a dubious biography and to honor him as the ultimate truth is probably an overkill. Personally, my opinion about the citizen (I don't even know which country) the Slozhenitsyn is the most negative ... so I suggest that the guys understand and forgive ...
      22. Homo
        Homo 12 October 2016 06: 56
        +1
        Quote: the most important
        They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in the year 37. Grandmother died of grief in 38 at the age of 42 years. The father (8 years old was him) was hidden by relatives under a false name ... So do not la ... la ... The personality cult never brings to good. Or himself from the NKVDeshnikov ?? By the way !! The modern militia-police has nothing to do with executions. He served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for many years.

        I sympathize and condole with you, but what does Solzhenitsyn and his "hanging" have to do with your grief?
      23. mig29mks
        mig29mks 12 October 2016 07: 39
        0
        salzhenitsin is still a type !!! sat in a warm place at the library !!!
      24. rvRomanoff
        rvRomanoff 12 October 2016 07: 52
        +2
        Stalin's personality cult was created "from below" and not imposed "from above". At that time, although now it seems absurd to many, it was true democracy. And Sholokhov called the "truthful" Solzhenitsyn a "literary Vlasovist", so that he belongs in the noose.
      25. electrooleg
        electrooleg 12 October 2016 09: 22
        +3
        Quote: the most important
        My grandfather was shot in 37.


        Aw, nobody upset me. Because there was nothing.
      26. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 12 October 2016 09: 35
        +5
        What article was shot? Have you seen the deal? Today, the grandson of every urki imagines himself a victim of political repression and demands compensation and worship.
        1. the most important
          the most important 12 October 2016 18: 35
          0
          Quote: hhhhhhh
          Today the grandson of every urki imagines himself a victim

          And insulting from a distance, knowing that you will not get in the face in response is a worthy act of a man ??? Dress your skirt - it's yours!
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 12 October 2016 18: 52
            +2
            Your grandfather on this article?
            58-10. Propaganda or agitation containing a call for the overthrow, undermining or weakening of Soviet power or for the commission of certain counter-revolutionary crimes (Articles 58-2 - 58-9 of this Code), as well as the distribution, production or storage of literature of the same content entail by myself -
            imprisonment for a term of not less than six months.
            The same actions during mass unrest or using religious or national prejudices of the masses, or in a military situation, or in places declared martial law, entail -
            social protection measures specified in Article 58-2 of this code. [6 of June 1927 (SU No.49, Art. 330)].

            According to the modern Criminal Code, the actions of your relative are evaluated like this
            In the RF Code, they comply with Articles 275 (Treason), 279 (Armed Rebellion), 276 (Espionage).
            The notorious article 58.10 mentioned by everyone corresponds to article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Public calls for extremist activity).
            So do not knock out a tear and use the skirt for its intended purpose.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2016 20: 01
            +1
            Quote: the most important
            And insulting from a distance, knowing that you will not get in the face in response is a worthy act of a man ??? Dress your skirt - it's yours!

            redirect yourself you anonymously offended thousands of veterans
            by the way, tell me what your relatives were "repressed" for
            1. the most important
              the most important 12 October 2016 22: 14
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you anonymously insulted thousands of veterans

              I AM??? Veterans of what ??? No need to juggle! Veterans are those who fought at the front, and there are those in our family too !!! They are honored and respected, and still alive - long life! And those who shot the innocent are called executioners. And there is no respect for such, but only contempt! No need to put all in one line! True heroes - WWII veterans will be offended!
      27. Arztney
        Arztney 12 October 2016 09: 42
        +3
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Gray Brother
        They did everything right.

        They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in the year 37. Grandmother died of grief in 38 at the age of 42 years. The father (8 years old was him) was hidden by relatives under a false name ... So do not la ... la ... The personality cult never brings to good. Or himself from the NKVDeshnikov ?? By the way !! The modern militia-police has nothing to do with executions. He served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for many years.

        Once shot it means it was for what !!!!
        1. the most important
          the most important 12 October 2016 18: 21
          0
          Quote: Arztnei
          Once shot it means it was for what !!!!

          So the executioners reasoned then ... so they like now argue.
      28. Arztney
        Arztney 12 October 2016 09: 43
        +3
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Gray Brother
        They did everything right.

        They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in the year 37. Grandmother died of grief in 38 at the age of 42 years. The father (8 years old was him) was hidden by relatives under a false name ... So do not la ... la ... The personality cult never brings to good. Or himself from the NKVDeshnikov ?? By the way !! The modern militia-police has nothing to do with executions. He served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for many years.

        Once shot it means it was for what !!!!
      29. Kalinvagen
        Kalinvagen 12 October 2016 11: 36
        +2
        Can you see the article, by which they shot him? order number?
      30. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2016 12: 15
        +5
        Quote: the most important
        My grandfather was shot in 37. Grandmother died of grief in 38 at the age of 42

        iii ?!
        What does this have to do with a mediocre hack and who wrote prison tales called "the Gulag archipelago" ?!
        Quote: the most important
        The cult of personality never brings to good.

        in order for the cult to have a personality, this is a big problem in history, there were not so many of them (personalities)
        Quote: the most important
        Or himself from the NKVDeshnikov ??

        your name is not gozman disgusting and disgusting ?!
        for such words in the face I want to give

        “I am dying, but I am not giving up! Goodbye Motherland! 20 / VII - 1941 " These words are inscribed on the walls of the barracks, in which the 132nd separate battalion of the NKVD troops held the defense

        In the battle for Moscow, 7 divisions, 3 brigades and 3 armored trains of the NKVD troops fought

        The 1st, 20th, 21st, 22nd and 23rd divisions of the NKVD troops fought in the defense of Leningrad.

        The main fighting force in Stalingrad was five regiments of the 10th division of the NKVD with a total number of 7900 people. The division commander is Colonel A. Saraev (who was the head of the Stalingrad garrison and fortified area). Having occupied a defense zone at the front of 23 km on August 1942, 35, it was the 10th division of the NKVD, the backbone of which was made up of border guards, that reflected the attempts of the advanced units of the 6th German army to take Stalingrad on the move.

        In the winter of 1924–43 The People's Commissar of Internal Affairs formed a separate army of the NKVD consisting of six divisions. At the beginning of February 1943 she was transferred to the army, received the name of the 70th army (became part of the Central Front). The soldiers of this formation showed heroism in the Battle of Kursk, stopping the strike force of the 9th German army, trying to break through to Kursk. Subsequently, the 70th Army distinguished itself in the Lublin-Brest, East Pomeranian and Berlin offensive operations. By the end of the war, all divisions of the 70th army were awarded orders and honorary titles.

        More than 100 thousand servicemen of the NKVD troops were awarded orders and medals. Over 200 were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. About 100 thousand gave their lives in the name of Victory.

        He himself served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for many years.
        when you don’t talk about it anymore, DO NOT POSTER POWERS
      31. Poppy
        Poppy 12 October 2016 14: 54
        +3
        why were they shot? what article? have you seen the deal?
      32. Faith
        Faith 13 October 2016 15: 05
        +1
        You somehow shyly kept silent about the reason for the execution, the plundering of socialist property? robbery? mb aggravated rape? Maybe the grandmother hanged herself from shame? Or are you just lying? Among the "repressed" 9 out of 10 ordinary criminal trash. And yes, the NKVD and the current Ministry of Internal Affairs are completely different things, it's just a shame to just be a cop.
      33. maximka
        maximka 13 October 2016 16: 06
        +2
        Judas Solzhenitsyn calls for a nuclear strike on the USSR
    2. win
      win 11 October 2016 17: 30
      +8
      Solzhenitsyn's article "How can we equip Russia?" could write
      in one word: "Nothing."
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 11 October 2016 17: 52
        +13
        Quote: Siegen
        Solzhenitsyn's article "How can we equip Russia?" could write
        in one word: "Nothing."

        A terrible bore .. I remember trying to present him to us as a "savior of Russia" with his program (they drove on all channels for a very long time ...) and organized a trip on a train across all of Russia .... We don't like traitors, definitely! He wiped himself off and went into oblivion in the history of real Russia!
      2. Passer
        Passer 11 October 2016 22: 29
        +5
        Quote: Siegen
        Solzhenitsyn's article "How can we equip Russia?" could be written in one word: "Nothing."

        To begin with, the article "How can we equip Russia?" it was necessary to write in Russia (then the USSR), and not in the USA.
    3. tihiy
      tihiy 11 October 2016 17: 53
      +7
      Quote: Gray Brother
      They did everything right.


      his this Brekhunov photo, it would be nice to look in the outhouse ... in the most prominent place, above the point ...
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 11 October 2016 18: 02
        +7
        WELL HOW GUYS! HOW ALL OF YOU AGAIN TECHNICALLY REDUCED!
        A regular in, be vigilant and do not confuse the personal with the public, the true problems of throwing in those who are trying to manipulate us. Most often they use historical themes.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 00
        +4
        Some de ... ly hung a scarecrow, while others de..ly rejoice and joke.
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 20: 02
          +8
          Are you therefore a fan of stuffed animals?
        2. Shadow of darkness
          Shadow of darkness 12 October 2016 20: 18
          +1
          And the third de..ly generally react to it! In fact, there was no act of vandalism, there was an extravagant demonstration of their views, maximally drawing on hooliganism. What to test? The country was destroyed and Solzhenitsyn was then presented as "the prophet of Russian democracy and the undertaker of communism," now the pendulum has swung in the other direction. No one is going to officially close the museum, the property is intact! It is necessary to be calmer, calmer, then we can destroy less and create more. And everyone has their own opinion, let them express it! The main thing is that they learn not only to express their opinion, but also do not try to impose it on others.
    4. Vend
      Vend 11 October 2016 18: 10
      +5
      Quote: Gray Brother
      They did everything right.

      Well, not quite.
      Gulag Museum, Solzhenitsyn Monuments, Memorials to Victims
      I agree with the Gulag Museum and the monuments to the victims. And here is a monument to Solzhenitsyn, a man who never sat, but invented a book. You should not bet. It is enough to read the memories of the daughter of the photographer who took the picture of Solzhenitsyn in a cap and sweatshirt or read the review of his book, people who really went through the Gulag.
      And for those who do not believe in the existence of repression, here are photos made by me personally.

      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 11 October 2016 18: 32
        +6
        I read Margolin (a Polish Jew) in the 41st I got into the GULAG ... He writes interestingly, but purely in Jewish ... So Solzhenitsyn, it seems to me that he stole a lot! Rations, cold, hunger, guards, etc. .... There were repressions of the shooting camp ... There was a time like this, we survived all the same! And I think the Yeltsin Center will later be turned into the Palace of Children's Creativity and Innovation ... You don’t need to forget history, of course, but you don’t impose opinions either ... Time will put everything in its place, who was a bloody Judas!
      2. sinnik80
        sinnik80 11 October 2016 18: 33
        +20
        And where does the repression?
        The colony existed until 1928. This colony has nothing to do with the GULAG. From the word "absolutely". Among the children in the post-war years, there were many street children who traded in theft and other illegal acts.
        Trying to pull an owl on a globe?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 05
          +2
          Quote: greshnik80
          And where does the repression?
          The colony existed until 1928.

          In 1929-30. The "Solovetsky Criminological Cabinet" organized a "Colony for juvenile criminals" (i.e. for children from 12 to 16 years old), of which there were several hundred in Solovki, despite the fact that according to the laws of that time, children under 16 were still prohibited. years old to punish a concentration camp. (Later, in 1935, in the process of fighting homelessness, a law was issued according to which even 12-year-old children could be punished by "the highest measure of social protection" - by shooting). This "Children's colony", as everyone called it, bore the official name "Correctional labor colony for young offenders from 25 years old."
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 11 October 2016 20: 38
            +6
            Quote: RUSS
            "Correctional labor colony for young offenders from 25 years of age."

            From 25 years, mean? And how much? recourse
          2. sinnik80
            sinnik80 11 October 2016 20: 40
            +2
            But what exactly does this photo have to do with the Gulag? This time.
            Two. There were no criminals among the children? Or are they not now?
            It was this colony that was BEFORE the GULAG. And the author of the post wants to prove this horror of this structure to us with this photograph.
          3. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 21: 49
            +9
            Quote: RUSS
            (Later, in 1935, in the process of combating homelessness, a law was passed, according to which even 12-year-old children could be punished by the "highest measure of social protection" - by shooting).

            When do you stop lying?
            1. The twenty-second article of the Criminal Code of the USSR, which was in force in 1935, reads:

            "22. Persons under the age of eighteen at the time the crime was committed and women who are pregnant cannot be sentenced to death. ”

            This article did not change either in 1935 or later.

            2. The document above lists all the articles under which the minor was subject to criminal prosecution. None of these articles provides for capital punishment.

            http://pikabu.ru/story/o_tom_kak_krovavyiy_stalin
            _rasstrelival_children_4123082

            As for the "cannibal" of Stalin and his attitude towards children, there is a real story about how the Nazis during the war prepared saboteurs from the Soviet children - the so-called "buzzards". When the saboteurs began to throw in the rear, some of them immediately came to the confession and surrendered. What was Stalin's reaction when he was informed of this?

            “Stalin’s reaction to such unusual news was very unexpected. Here is what the KGB Major General Nikolai Governors reports about this:
            “So they arrested! Whom? Children! They need to learn, and not sit in prison. Learn - the damaged economy will be restored. Collect them all and send them to the vocational school. And the danger to our communications to report to the GKO. ”

            Here is a clear difference between black anti-Soviet myths and reality.
        2. Vend
          Vend 12 October 2016 09: 41
          0
          Quote: greshnik80
          And where does the repression?
          The colony existed until 1928. This colony has nothing to do with the GULAG. From the word "absolutely". Among the children in the post-war years, there were many street children who traded in theft and other illegal acts.
          Trying to pull an owl on a globe?

          Take a sweet one to the Solovetsky Islands, see for yourself what is there and how. Or to Kalym, also very curious. There are still prison areas. The tree has become white from time to time. Maybe then you stop writing nonsense.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 11 October 2016 19: 09
        +10
        Children's colonies were before the revolution. And Makarenko was the head of the colony for juvenile delinquents. What is an OTLON? Decipher the first two letters. Training Solovetsky?
      4. sergeybulkin
        sergeybulkin 11 October 2016 19: 25
        +3
        And for those who do not believe in the existence of repression, here are photos made by me personally.

        And where does the repression, it was a colony for juvenile delinquents. Say that now youngsters do not sit for murders, robberies, etc.?
      5. parusnik
        parusnik 11 October 2016 19: 59
        +5
        You also scored about two literary monuments ... by G. Belykh "House of Merry Beggars" was first published in 1930 and L. Panteleev, G. Belyh "Republic of ShKID" .. first published in 1927 .. Written by former juvenile delinquents ...
      6. Passer
        Passer 11 October 2016 22: 41
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        And for those who do not believe in the existence of repression, here are photos made by me personally.

        Yes, you got tired of your repressions, a colleague in a stall stole a box of vodka from me, didn't even have time to drink, got 7 years. Also a victim of repression. Why, by the way, we do not remember about the Stolypin repressions, but prefer to remember the Stolypin reforms, forgetting about the "Stolypin ties" and "Stolypin wagons".
        1. murriou
          murriou 12 October 2016 10: 56
          +2
          Quote: Passer
          they prefer to recall the Stolypin reforms, forgetting about the "Stolypin ties" and "Stolypin cars".

          There was also Stolypin's "simplified / expedited justice".
          There were Stolypin military field courts in which professional lawyers were forbidden (!) To participate, because they tended to object to sentences imposed on the basis of unsubstantiated suspicions, as well as to unjustifiably cruel, as compared to imputed charges.
          There were Stolypin mass executions, in which the dead were generally not taken into account anywhere, there was simply a person - and no person.

          And there was Stolypin's dizzying career rise for such "achievements."
      7. Shurik70
        Shurik70 11 October 2016 23: 01
        +2
        Quote: Wend

        And for those who do not believe in the existence of repression, here are photos made by me personally.


        And what does this photo prove?
        What among children are such scumbags that they do not shoot them only because of their age?
        And now there are such. Crippled, killed with particular cruelty, raped.
        But it’s not for the prisoners to put them in a real prison. Children no matter how.
        We need children's colonies, there’s no getting around it.
        1. Vend
          Vend 12 October 2016 09: 48
          0
          Quote: Shurik70

          And what does this photo prove?
          .
          This proves that some people do not want to put up with the negative aspects of the Soviet past. And there are not one such tablets. .Click to the Solovetsky Islands, walk along the bones, maybe then calm down.
    5. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 11 October 2016 19: 25
      +6
      Quote: Gray Brother
      They did everything right.

      What is education reform doing! Do not be discouraged, Dull brother, your inferiority is the result of your lack of education. Try at least something to read, besides the Internet, and believe me, your horizons will expand significantly. And I ask you to notice, your stupidity and lack of education, I do not seem to notice. Although this raises a certain understanding that the site has become a "tract" of people with limited access to education. wassat
    6. BOB044
      BOB044 11 October 2016 20: 09
      0

      78
      Gray Brother Today, 17:20 New
      They did everything right.
      Colonel and your last name by great-grandfather is not Yezhov
  2. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 11 October 2016 17: 22
    +22
    Now Yeltsin Circus, pah center, tear to hell.
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    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 11 October 2016 17: 37
      +16
      Quote: dmi.pris
      Now Yeltsin Circus, pah center, tear to hell.

      Mannerheim’s board has already been chopped with an ax
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 11 October 2016 17: 49
        +4
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Mannerheim’s board has already been chopped with an ax

        Evening ringing .. evening ringing ...
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 October 2016 18: 53
        +6
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Mannerheim’s board has already been chopped with an ax

        Hmmm ... in the city center, in the "Consular District", 800 meters from the "Big House" (the tallest building in St. Petersburg - from it you can see Kolyma), under the supervision of numerous surveillance cameras, some activists chop down a board installed with the participation of M ... Dinsky and Ivanov. And not a single police squad. laughing

        It seems to me that the authorities of the native Northern capital simply dream that this board would disappear somewhere - but without their direct participation.
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        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 11 October 2016 20: 48
          +17
          Quote: RUSS
          Apparently, all the same scumbags-Limonov will achieve the removal of the board, it is a pity if they make concessions to these red-bellied ushlapka marginals.

          Maxim, but I'm sorry that they did not have a puncher, so at least shoot me for 3 years with cotton bullets, but I cannot understand why and why a plaque was installed for this figure, whose troops blocked Leningrad in 1941-1944. they "distinguished themselves" in Soviet Karelia. Here, please explain. Maybe Hitler should hang a plaque nearby? After all, Leningrad was strangled and killed together. hi
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 12 October 2016 08: 39
            +1
            plaque to this figure, whose troops blockaded Leningrad in 1941-1944. And also "distinguished themselves" in Soviet Karelia.

            If blocked Peter would not have survived. Mannerheim left the Road of Life. Stalin personally deleted Mannerheim from the list of war criminals.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 12 October 2016 10: 01
              +3
              Quote: Hupfri
              If blocked Peter would not have survived. Mannerheim left the Road of Life.

              Refused attempts to break through KaUR and shifted the direction of the main attack north of Ladoga - this is now called "left the Road of Life"?
              The Finnish army simply didn’t have the strength to break through to the source of the Neva or Tikhvin (the battles on Svir, where the Finns managed to capture the bridgeheads, went on all September and October). Although in the north direction (in the Lodeynoye Pole area) in September 1941 Mannerheim personally came.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 12 October 2016 13: 36
              0
              Quote: Hupfri
              If blocked Peter would not have survived. Mannerheim left the Road of Life. Stalin personally deleted Mannerheim from the list of war criminals.

              Map of the Finnish occupation from which it is clear that they did not participate in the blockade of Leningrad.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 12 October 2016 13: 40
            0
            Quote: vovanpain
            Maxim, I’m sorry that they didn’t have a punch, at least shoot me with cotton bullets for 3 years, but I can’t understand why and why the board was installed for this leader, whose troops blocked Leningrad in 1941-1944

            Then, after that, the Romanian monarch Mihai l was awarded the Soviet award after his troops atrocities near Voronezh in 1942-43 !!!
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: dmi.pris
      Now Yeltsin Circus, pah center, tear to hell.

      As in Ukraine, Bandera demolish monuments, and so do we?
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 01: 24
        +2
        Monuments of a different system are demolished in Ukraine (moreover, to the person who created Ukraine within the present borders), but for us, the monument (ahem, sorry for the expression) was erected by the EXISTING system to the white general and military leader who held part of the blockade of Leningrad. The difference is not significant? And it’s necessary to bear such muck. And then we get to the monument to Vlasov (pah-pah-pah over the left shoulder) ...
      2. Shadow of darkness
        Shadow of darkness 12 October 2016 21: 27
        0
        Demolition of monuments is not the case, but the monument should be linked to our history and if the person is controversial, then not only the pros but also the minuses should be written to the monument. And so, to call monuments something that does not have a positive link to our history and country, it is more like imposing someone else's opinion, culture and rewriting history.
        PS I do not support unauthorized demolition of monuments either, but for the installation and demolition of such controversial monuments there must be legal and civilized methods of public influence.
  3. Million
    Million 11 October 2016 17: 26
    +13
    Good news!
    1. the most important
      the most important 11 October 2016 17: 37
      +6
      Quote: Million
      Good news!

      You can hang yourself next ... the news will be even better!
      1. Million
        Million 11 October 2016 17: 40
        +14
        I'll hang you first
        1. the most important
          the most important 11 October 2016 17: 46
          +3
          Previously, all Bandera threatened with reprisal, but now it’s just ... steel. Why is the world heading ?????
          1. Smog
            Smog 11 October 2016 18: 19
            +3
            Quote: the most important
            Previously, all Bandera threatened with reprisal, but now it’s just ... steel. Why is the world heading ?????

            Well, what do you want?
            Freedom of Opinion.
            1. mole
              mole 11 October 2016 19: 01
              +3
              I apologize for the previously written comment, there wasn’t much opportunity to get acquainted with the structure of the new site, I thought your post refers to the video about setting fire to the Mannerheim tablet in St. Petersburg.
              I think about Solzhenitsyn’s hanging - pure PR campaign is beneficial for the Gulag Museum.
              At the initiative of the bourgeois Russian authorities, 2018 was called the “year of creativity” of this writer. .

              I read about this museum only a couple of times in the news. I know that he is, but I am not interested in him. Moreover, he is not interested in those who are not interested in wandering around museums at all. It is necessary to draw attention to him, especially in the light of the latest hype associated with Medinsky.
              Something tells me that the victims of the Gulag are several times less victims of the "rampant democracy" of the 90s, who died from gang wars, drugs, alcohol, suicides, arbitrariness, etc. By the way, I did not find that someone from the really great people who made an indisputable contribution to the strengthening of our country, contemporaries of that period spoke badly about Stalin and his "regime". Even during the "thaw".
              Quote: the most important
              Previously, all Bandera threatened with reprisal, but now it’s just ... steel. Why is the world heading ?????

              Bandera did not threaten, they cracked down. And "they just ... began" - and now they simply began to PR.
          2. vovanpain
            vovanpain 11 October 2016 18: 21
            +13
            Quote: the most important
            You can hang yourself next ... the news will be even better!

            You yourself respected provoked, and then offended
            Quote: the most important
            Previously, all Bandera threatened with reprisal, but now it’s just ... steel. Why is the world heading ?????

            Here. Ask ka starting with yourself. hi
          3. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 18: 27
            +2
            Answer yourself where you are going.
            The phrase that anti-Soviet = Russophobe justifies itself as never before.
            Bandera’s say ... you know, for the authorities, that Bandera’s, that some kind of sulfur-boromaline anarchists, greens, oranges and others will always be the object for which the LAW will work.
            In the USSR, at that time the LAW worked, those who violated it themselves paid their heads for crimes.
            Quote: the most important
            You can hang yourself next ... the news will be even better!

            This phrase of yours, betrays in you, the heiress of the one whom the AUTHORITY has punished by the LAW.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 11
              +4
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              The phrase that anti-Soviet = Russophobe justifies itself as never before.

              Andrzej Wajda was an anti-Stalinist, anti-Soviet, but not Russophobe
      2. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 11 October 2016 17: 59
        +4
        And what did Vlad do to you? He has no complaints against you ... You prove once again that resentment can lead to hatred and anger towards others .. Just like Solzhenitsyna.
      3. mole
        mole 11 October 2016 18: 20
        +10
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Million
        Good news!

        You can hang yourself next ... the news will be even better!

        You can hang yourself next, then the news will definitely be even better!
        Why such an offer? From stupidity?
        I do not agree with the presence of such a tablet in any locality of the country, not to mention St. Petersburg. It’s been a long time since I’d be surprised how they didn’t pull it out before the decision of the most humane court, and did not flood it in the Neva.
        I take this Tablet as a personal insult. The tablet insults my grandmother, the memory of her sisters-mj; t blockades, my front-line grandfathers and grandmother who worked in the rear, not to mention my great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers.
        Ah, you sir, - Hamlo!
  4. win
    win 11 October 2016 17: 26
    +26
    Chapaev and Petka go through Zurich, and towards the Negro.
    - Who is it? - asks Chapaev.
    - You do not know, Vasily Ivanovich? Solzhenitsyn!
    - Wow, Petka, how they denigrated a man!
  5. dr.star75
    dr.star75 11 October 2016 17: 28
    +16
    And what is he offended by? we have a country of victorious democracy, has Solzhenitsyn fought for this? All they want is what they do.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 11 October 2016 17: 35
      +2
      That's right !! Do not try to condemn the story because it will condemn you !!
  6. aleksfill
    aleksfill 11 October 2016 17: 29
    +19
    "A mannequin with a portrait of Solzhenitsyn was hung in the Gulag Museum"
    By relics and firs.
  7. TeKuS
    TeKuS 11 October 2016 17: 30
    +12
    What a wonderful installation.
  8. Yak28
    Yak28 11 October 2016 17: 33
    +27
    Solzhenitsyn is an ordinary criminal who, after his time, dumped abroad and from there began to water his country with slops, delighting American patrons. The guys did everything right.
    1. bk316
      bk316 11 October 2016 17: 46
      +10
      Yes, he didn’t really water anything, read, so gray prose ....

      It's just that he, like Makar and other "liberal intellectuals", being a mediocre hack (labukh, actor), imagines himself an elite of the elites, a prophet in his fatherland and began to behave accordingly.
      It was never punished by hanging; it was treated with occupational therapy.

      We still have the same demo-scientists-informers were (Sakharov) and even democrats-drunks ....
    2. tihiy
      tihiy 11 October 2016 17: 57
      +9
      Quote: Yak28
      an ordinary felon, who, after his term, dumped abroad and from there began to pour mud on his country, delighting the American patrons. The guys did everything right.


      what ordinary criminal?
      The snitch was ordinary. "drummer"...
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 15
      +4
      Quote: Yak28
      The guys did everything right.

      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 11 October 2016 20: 38
        +2
        RUSS you are not far from the banderlog left! lol
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 53
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          RUSS you are not far from the banderlog left! lol

          Not far from Bandera went those who scarecrowed, and they apparently studied with the Nazis their style, gallows and a sign on the neck!
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 20: 57
            +6
            You, the notable anti-Soviet adviser, have no idea that you are showing yourself offensively, for it was Solzhenitsyn who called for this, and I remember that, and this causes rejection of the imposed pseudo-idol, a false conscience, supposedly our nation, in society.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 55
          +3
          What to blame for Lenin in Ukraine, what to pour over Mannerheim’s board and hang a scarecrow of Solzhenitsyn, vandalism, they are vandalism in Africa.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 21: 00
            +4
            Injected anti-communism and anti-Sovietism, in which you take part, will lead to bad results, are you achieving this?
            To put Lenin on a par with mannerheim? And with Solzhenitsyn, this is worse than vandalism.
  9. win
    win 11 October 2016 17: 35
    +22
    Dear Mosfilm Directorate!
    Sysadmin Styopa and a motorist with twenty years of experience Dormidont are writing to you.
    Recently, we have noticed a gratifying trend in the domestic film industry. As soon as the series "The Master and Margarita" was released, our fellow citizens began to read the novel of the same name by Mikhail Bulgakov. Then the series "The First Circle" was shot, and the public turned to the work of Alexander Solzhenitsyn... And no one was surprised at all that after the release of the series "Doctor Zhivago" the people woke up an interest in Boris Pasternak.
    So, dear management ... Wouldn't it make it difficult for you to film the books "Basics of working with Windows" and "Rules of the road"? Maybe then at least someone will start reading them? ..
  10. Phosgene
    Phosgene 11 October 2016 17: 36
    +26
    It is Solzhenitsyn and others like him who insult Russia, making it the fiend of hell. The GULAGG is in any country, including the United States, but the Solzhenitsyns do not dare to open their mouths on the United States, because these are Washington posts.
    1. the most important
      the most important 11 October 2016 17: 42
      +5
      Quote: Phosgene
      It is Solzhenitsyn and others like him who insult Russia, making it the fiend of hell. The GULAGG is in any country, including the United States, but the Solzhenitsyns do not dare to open their mouths on the United States, because these are Washington posts.

      Actually, he fought in the Second World War ... and he did not fight very badly ... without going into his work he should be respected only because he is a veteran of the Second World War.
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 17: 50
        +14
        Excuse me, and where is he, "fought well"?
        http://ruskline.ru/analitika/2014/02/05/solzhenic
        yn_klassik_lzhi_i_predatelstva
        Et about him "who fought"
        However, A. Solzhenitsyn was “lucky": the Germans crashed, the front rolled back, command and control of the troops was lost for a while - there was an opportunity to show heroism. But heroism was shown not by him, but by the foreman of the battery, which retained it, taking it to the rear. War is paradoxical. If we talk specifically about the sonometric battery, then the foreman's actions were correct: he saved the equipment and qualified personnel from useless death in battle, for which the sonometric battery is not intended. Why its commander Solzhenitsyn, who appeared in the battery’s location later on, didn’t do it - the question is open: “the war was written off” (there weren’t such trifles).

        But this episode was enough for A.I.Solzhenitsyn: he realized that in the war for socialism alien to him (he himself came from a clan of not the last rich people of Russia, although not from the main branch: on the eve of the First World War, uncle owned one of nine Royces ”, present in the empire) can be killed, and then the“ fix idea ”will not come true - a dream from childhood: to enter the history of world literature as Dostoevsky or Tolstoy of the twentieth century. So A.I.Solzhenitsyn fled from the front to the Gulag in order to survive with guaranteed. And the fact that he laid a friend is trifles against the background of saving the precious life of the future “great writer”. On February 9, 1945 he was arrested and on July 27 sentenced to 8 years in forced labor camps.

        Natalya Reshetovskaya further describes Solzhenitsyn’s arrest, where she was interrogated as a witness and also interrogated by other people. One of the witnesses, a sailor, a young midshipman, testified that Solzhenitsyn accidentally met him on the train and immediately began to engage in anti-Stalinist agitation. To the question of the investigator - “why didn’t you immediately report?” the midshipman replied that he immediately realized that in front of him was a madman. Therefore, he did not report.
        http://whatisgood.ru/press/books/solzhenicyn-veli
        kij-predatel-rodiny /
      2. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 11 October 2016 17: 56
        +5
        Did a decent person write a denunciation to his friend?
      3. tihiy
        tihiy 11 October 2016 17: 58
        +6
        Quote: the most important
        Actually, he fought in the Second World War ... and he did not fight very badly ... without going into his work he should be respected only because he is a veteran of the Second World War.


        Tukhachevsky also fought ... Everyone knows how
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 18: 29
          +2
          Quote: tihiy
          Tukhachevsky also fought ... Everyone knows how

          Bad fought, fact.
          I played in the conspirator, a kind of red Napoleon, from the filing of Trotsky ...
      4. Basil50
        Basil50 11 October 2016 18: 03
        +4
        About * front-line soldier * Solzhenitsyn, you can say anything but respect. I read his memories.
      5. dr.star75
        dr.star75 11 October 2016 18: 59
        +3
        Pavlov also fought, and after the same fought. Mannerheim also fought for Russia.
      6. moskowit
        moskowit 11 October 2016 19: 03
        +5
        He fought when all the people were fighting. And when the opportunity arose to "pull away" from the front, he immediately took advantage of it ... Yes, by and large, I was not at the front either. He served in the corps artillery as the commander of the AIR platoon ... Knowledgeable people know how far from the front line ... And why no one writes about the fate of his visa-a-vi, to whom he sent letters condemning the authorities' policy of softness towards to the Polish population, and who suffered much more ... This defendant (Solzhenitsyn) got off with a five-year term, and many of his colleagues remained in the Mass graves in Pomerania and Prussia !!! I repeat once more, a coward and a deserter!
      7. OLD FART
        OLD FART 11 October 2016 19: 31
        +3
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Phosgene
        It is Solzhenitsyn and others like him who insult Russia, making it the fiend of hell. The GULAGG is in any country, including the United States, but the Solzhenitsyns do not dare to open their mouths on the United States, because these are Washington posts.

        Actually, he fought in the Second World War ... and he did not fight very badly ... without going into his work he should be respected only because he is a veteran of the Second World War.

        It would be better to shoot him ..... In the subject of the collapse of the USSR and the subsequent bloody events that continue to this day, this "hack" played one of the main roles in the performance of the Western special services! And basically he is perceived by the population of Russia as not our liberal media and Western ones tried to "hammer" us! God "marks rogue" .. There is such a saying in Russia gentlemen! bully
  11. kepmor
    kepmor 11 October 2016 17: 38
    +11
    Now, if a mannequin with an erysipelas face were hung under the arches of the Eltsin Center, it would be nice to tens of millions ....
    And what to take from Isaevich ... scribbler, in a word.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 October 2016 17: 45
      +9
      It is a pity that Solzhenitsin did not at one time act the same way as now with his stuffed animal. It would be cleaner in the country.
    2. brelok
      brelok 11 October 2016 17: 47
      +2
      all ahead .....
  12. win
    win 11 October 2016 17: 42
    +24
    Two humanities say:
    - What is the difference between Tvardovsky and Solzhenitsyn?
    - Twardowski is an eagle, he can fly.
    And Solzhenitsyn is a bird without wings: he cannot fly, but he can spoil
    1. tihiy
      tihiy 11 October 2016 18: 01
      +10
      Quote: Siegen
      Two humanities say:
      - What is the difference between Tvardovsky and Solzhenitsyn?
      - Twardowski is an eagle, he can fly.
      And Solzhenitsyn is a bird without wings: he cannot fly, but he can spoil


      !!! +10000))) Well, right in the bullseye ...)))
  13. Disorder
    Disorder 11 October 2016 17: 44
    +4
    After all, what the situation was. The end of the war is near - I don't want to die. So he muddied "anti-Sovietism". And he muddied him competently - to be sent to camps, and not sent to a penal battalion.
  14. Stas Snezhin
    Stas Snezhin 11 October 2016 17: 44
    +19
    That's who you need ..
  15. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 11 October 2016 17: 44
    +7
    Those characters who profited immensely from the destruction of the Union suddenly dreamed of something like that, never happened ....... Some wealth is already not enough.
    Apparently I want to be the benefactors of RUSSIA and the entire Russian people. That would be praised for everything that was done with the country and people. Here is the EBN Center, the GULAG Museum, other centers such museums and monuments are planned.
    Traitors want to go down in history as saviors, so that descendants praise kinship! !!!!!!!THAT'S WHAT!!!!!
    It’s good that there are people who understand. Criminals should be identified.
    1. bk316
      bk316 11 October 2016 21: 41
      +4
      Traitors want to go down in history as saviors, so that descendants praise kinship

      And don’t worry, they have no chance.
      We have such a wonderful vaccination in this regard from the USSR that all these museums cause only laughter. Well, what a savior from a drunk who relieves the need for an airplane landing gear in heathrow? Here, at least in every village, according to the memorial, build - one result - EBN-ALKASH will be remembered
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 01: 35
        +3
        You - yes, I have (and even about half of my generation - born in 1993) - still have it, thanks to relatives. The current 15-16 year olds already have wild porridge in their heads. And what will happen to those who go under the table today? I don’t even want to imagine. With what they teach in schools and in what volumes ... Managers and advanced consumers, and that’s all ...
        1. bk316
          bk316 12 October 2016 10: 47
          +3
          and you tell your children about the history of the motherland, at least about what you yourself saw. I saved the video with the EBN conductor. No school can replace families.
  16. win
    win 11 October 2016 17: 47
    +14
    poetess Valery Vyushkova

    No, the scoundrel was not all the same!

    After all, Hitler for him is a hero of the bourgeois will!

    His anti-Soviet nonsense is held at school!

    Solzhenitsyn the liar is full of sins!

    Vermont scumbag, impudent all more,

    He cried out to Reagan: "Until socialism

    Will you tolerate ?! Moscow is time for a long time

    Bomb like Hiroshima! Is it a pity to the bomb, perhaps?! .. ".
    1. Sergey333
      Sergey333 11 October 2016 18: 31
      +4
      Bravo good good I did not read this verse, enlightened.
  17. jovanni
    jovanni 11 October 2016 17: 55
    +12
    Quote: the most important
    Quote: Gray Brother
    They did everything right.

    They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in the year 37. Grandmother died of grief in 38 at the age of 42 years. The father (8 years old was him) was hidden by relatives under a false name ... So do not la ... la ... The personality cult never brings to good. Or himself from the NKVDeshnikov ?? By the way !! The modern militia-police has nothing to do with executions. He served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for many years.


    I understand you well. My relatives also fell in due time. But because of this, I did not call on the Americans to bomb the Soviet Union, having previously faded from it. I suppose you also did not address them with this. And he called (a speech by Solzhenitsyn at Harvard University. 1978). What does the cult of personality have to do with it?
    This year I served in the army. Soviet.
  18. Humpty
    Humpty 11 October 2016 17: 57
    +14
    For me, the Solzhenitser defiled the Gulag during his lifetime. By your presence.
  19. Basil50
    Basil50 11 October 2016 17: 58
    +6
    For the * democratic * public, any manifestation of a CIVIL POSITION that is not coordinated with US emissaries is something unimaginable, just a crime. The fact that the RUSSIAN government pushes frank traitors and scum into the * classics * only confirms that they do it consciously, understanding who * these proteges * really are. All the same, these traitors and their attitude towards them and their patrons will have to be determined, if not today in the near future. Descendants will not be bound and the court will be very harsh. What will be the children and grandchildren of traitors?
  20. win
    win 11 October 2016 18: 05
    +18
    Here are some snippets from reviews of Solzhenitsyn.

    Vladimir Karpov, Hero of the Soviet Union, former finesman: “Yes, there were traitors in the war. They were pushed to a black deed by cowardice, the insignificance of the soul. But there are traitors in peacetime - it is you, Sakharov and Solzhenitsyn! Today you shoot compatriots in the back. ”

    Konstantin Simonov - writer and front-line poet: “To the depths of my soul I am outraged by the creativity and behavior of Solzhenitsyn. I completely agree with the statement of Pravda, I fully share all the provisions that are expressed in this article regarding Solzhenitsyn. "

    Marietta Shaginyan - writer, poetess: “I am surprised at our tolerance for such scum. Solzhenitsyn, remaining unpunished, corrupts our youth. And in general he is not a writer at all. I talked about this both in Hungary and in Switzerland. ”

    Sergei Mikhalkov, author of the Anthem of the USSR and Russia: “Solzhenitsyn is a man overwhelmed with rage and anger, neglect and arrogance towards his compatriots. Again, first of all, to the Russians. ”

    Chingiz Aitmatov, Kyrgyz writer (“And the day lasts longer than a century”, “Maternal field”, “White ship”): “If we want to truly play on the world stage, then let's follow the path of Gorky and Mayakovsky, not Solzhenitsyn.”

    There are many more such statements by writers from different Soviet republics and different nationalities, but we’ll add the names of previously not mentioned, but the keynote statements of which are: “There is nothing to babysit with him”, “Solzhenitsyn is an internal emigrant, a man who profits from anti-Sovietism”, “ There was a heroostrat, there is Solzhenitsyn ”,“ He touched history with his unclean hands ”, etc. These are Alexey Surkov, Stepan Schipachev, Leonid Leonov, Vadim Kozhevnikov, Mikhail Alekseev, Semyon Babaevsky, Sergey Ostrovoy, Agniya Barto, Belarusian Petrus Brovka, Kalmyk David Kugultinov, Lithuanian Justinas Martsinkevichyus and many others.
  21. win
    win 11 October 2016 18: 07
    +12
    The anger of indignation is filled with the statements of many figures of culture and science. Here are the names of only the most famous of them:

    Boris Chirkov, People's Artist of the USSR: "We fought and will continue to fight such people in life and in art."

    Mikhail Zharov, People's Artist of the USSR: "This son of a bitch has no place among us."

    Oscar Kurganov, film playwright: “Solzhenitsyn is an absolute anti-Soviet who hates Soviet power and tries to do everything to defame it. He is disgusting in his human qualities, I had to hear a lot about his behavior during his stay in the camps. "

    Boris Efimov, People's Artist of the USSR: "Solzhenitsyn irrevocably embarked on the path of betrayal, became a kind of banner for anti-communists and anti-Soviet leaders of all stripes."
  22. win
    win 11 October 2016 18: 10
    +13
    Here are some responses to the novel “The Gulag Archipelago”, from abroad, where the reaction of objective journalists immediately was very peculiar: “Literary nonsense of the first category, but anti-communist, and therefore valuable” (commentator on the Czechoslovak editorial office of “Free Europe” Karel Ezdinsky). "Idiocy. But he will sting the Bolsheviks, and that’s good already ”(Czech emigrant writer Karel Michal).
  23. win
    win 11 October 2016 18: 16
    +9
    The enforced introduction of Solzhenitsyn creations into the programs of schools and universities that form the morality, the morality of new generations, ultimately, designing and raising the moral level of the whole society to the future on the principle of “co-FALSE nizism” is immeasurably more harmful.
    And such a violent “FALSE-nization ”has been openly and openly conducted for several years and has already firmly established itself in the education system in Russia.
  24. Sergey333
    Sergey333 11 October 2016 18: 27
    +8
    Well done, praise. Solzhenitsyn is a traitor to the Motherland and he sat absolutely rightly and deservedly, very in vain that he was released at the time!
  25. starshina78
    starshina78 11 October 2016 18: 28
    +12
    Solzhenitsyn has long been recognized as a liar! All "Archipelagos" and his other stories are examples of lies and hatred for the Soviet system, the history of the USSR. And the introduction of his writings into the school curriculum is an attempt by the liberals to tarnish the USSR in the eyes of the younger generation. "The Year of Solzhenitsyn" is the worst one can think of.
  26. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 October 2016 18: 36
    +6
    I agree with those who hanged. Too many lies "not polite" wrote and published. I do not justify unjust trials and executions, but I shouldn't lie so openly. The time was such, merciless. The power struggle between Stalin and others was masked by such "companies" that masked TRUE GOALS. In the sense - they got a specific character, in a heap of innocent ones. It was a cruel and furious time, people went to death for their convictions ... In modern times - a complete inadequacy. But the mass character was in self-sacrifice.
  27. Baloo
    Baloo 11 October 2016 18: 43
    +5
    In the distant Soviet student youth I read Solzhenitsyn. In those days, for published in the Roman newspaper in 1968. "One day Ivan Denisych" could easily be jailed as an anti-Soviet agitator. The novel made a very realistic impression. Of course, the Gulag Archipelago is not a chronicle, but mostly fictional fiction, and not only Shalamov's notes are quoted, but also other witnesses of that trouble (I later read them too).
    I remember how they soiled Solzhenitsyn in Literaturka. Watch a video of Solzhenitsyn's speech in the States. Actually, this is all he is, like Vysotsky's response to the provocation in Paris: I don't like everything, but in our homeland we will figure it out ourselves. It was a hard time. I myself am the grandson of an "enemy of the people," whose parents were all to blame for the fact that during the period of collectivization they were able to organize a cooperative, to give work to fellow villagers.
    Sent to Siberia, landed in the fall in the middle of the taiga. We managed to take tools, warm clothes, seeds and a goat well. We managed to dig a dugout before the frost. The goat saved everyone.
    The youth’s act is provocative, it would be nice for the Shtirlits to take an interest in whose money the banquet is and who really stands behind these idiots. hi
  28. mr.fafes
    mr.fafes 11 October 2016 18: 44
    +8
    Solzhenitsyn is an enemy of the motherland and a traitor to the people, he chose the path of Judah.
    All his work is a complete lie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy9U4hhc_q0
    http://tormentorforum.ru/istoriya-9/solzhenicyn-p
    ozor-rossii-356 /
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 11 October 2016 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: mr.fafes
      Solzhenitsyn is an enemy of the motherland and a traitor to the people,


      Solzhenitsyn's novel "The Gulag Archipelago" is included in the school curriculum

      The corresponding order was signed by the Minister of Education and Science Andrei Fursenko. Now, excerpts from Alexander Solzhenitsyn's novel "The Gulag Archipelago" are included in the mandatory minimum content of the main educational programs on Russian literature of the twentieth century.

      Recall that in September 2008, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Education and Science to finalize the curriculum so that the work of the Nobel laureate Alexander Solzhenitsyn would be presented more fully... Until now, ordinary Russian schoolchildren got acquainted with Solzhenitsyn's work from the story "Matryonin's Dvor" in high school, and later, in the 11th grade, they passed the story "One Day in Ivan Denisovich." "The Gulag Archipelago" was included in the compulsory literature program only in the specialized classes of the senior school. And, by the way, many teachers thought this state of affairs was wrong.
  29. tinibar
    tinibar 11 October 2016 18: 48
    +1
    Quote: the most important
    Quote: Gray Brother
    You will argue that all condemned for nothing?

    And what could a collective farmer do in a remote village in Siberia ?? and also having five young children ??? Well, if only you were in a conspiracy with Tukhachevsky and on his orders to take all the strategic aviation of the USSR into the air and start bombing the Kremlin! By the way, my grandfather was completely rehabilitated in 1976.

    But it’s unlikely that they went to your unfortunate grandfather, investigating a grand plot in Moscow. His own g ... yes, from the Siberian collective farm, and tapped, out of envy, for example, and the other g ... de could not wait to report to curry favor.
  30. veteran66
    veteran66 11 October 2016 18: 56
    +3
    Quote: Uncle Murzik
    here the communists byak, also rehabilitated themselves! belay

    Well, yes, they are so kind, at first they drove the family two meters underground, and then they rehabilitated, now I’ll cry out with emotion. Cattle, damn it!
  31. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 11 October 2016 18: 58
    +8
    The man (Solzhenitsyn) hypertrophied his personal resentment and, for the sake of the West, doused the history of the country with mud. He replaced objective research with inventions, especially since it was encouraged by the caste of counter-revolutionaries within the USSR. With his "creativity" he removed the bricks from the building of the country, thereby contributing to its collapse and further total impoverishment of the people and extinction. I must say that all dreams, the so-called. intellectuals are idealistic in nature and in practice attempts to implement them lead to the destruction of the country. And the sad history of Russia is a witness to this. They should not be allowed to the stands, from which they hang their idealistic noodles on the ears of the people. hi
  32. veteran66
    veteran66 11 October 2016 19: 05
    +1
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    Despite the attempts to mold a "personality" out of Mizgir-Solzhenitsyn, it does not work.

    Yes, they didn’t try to drive into our heads that Sozhenitsyn was an enemy, but somehow it didn’t work, the communist propaganda didn’t pass .. Heh!
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 11 October 2016 19: 38
      +5
      Quote: veteran66
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      Despite the attempts to mold a "personality" out of Mizgir-Solzhenitsyn, it does not work.

      Yes, they didn’t try to drive into our heads that Sozhenitsyn was an enemy, but somehow it didn’t work, the communist propaganda didn’t pass .. Heh!

      No, well, it's definitely time for you to jump on the echo for the cookies. Yes
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 11 October 2016 22: 46
        0
        I explain it to meager, I don't like echo, well, I just hate it ... as for the horses for the cookies ... I am proud that Edik Basurin studied in one company, I hate the Bandera freaks, I will not write any further "ichtamnet"
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 12 October 2016 07: 21
          +1
          Quote: veteran66
          I explain it to meager, I don't like echo, well, I just hate it ... as for the horses for the cookies ... I am proud that Edik Basurin studied in one company, I hate the Bandera freaks, I will not write any further "ichtamnet"

          This is not your merit, but simply the course of history. I am afraid that for E. Basurin this fact is not a matter of pride.
          1. veteran66
            veteran66 12 October 2016 18: 49
            0
            "This is not your merit, but simply the course of history."
            In truth, if God wants to punish a person, then he robs his mind. Before quoting something, you need to at least read and comprehend it. The message of my post is that I AM Proud that I studied, and not trump that I studied, i.e. my attitude to the fact, not the fact itself. Do you get it? Or over the years of the Soviets only slogans have learned to read?
    2. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 11 October 2016 20: 48
      +4
      veteran66 you don’t even have enough mind to see who put the pluses! laughing you are in a clear minority, as are sexual minorities! lol
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 11 October 2016 22: 40
        +1
        I have enough mind not to stand in the general herd, which on the team bleats in the right direction, hesitates, so to speak, along with the general line of the party
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 01: 44
          +4
          Yeah, but they are smart enough to join the mainstream of "all of themselves independent and strong opposition."
        2. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 12 October 2016 06: 04
          +3
          so you stand in the same flock with the liberals! and moo like Newzvorskiy gozmans fool
  33. Shadow of darkness
    Shadow of darkness 11 October 2016 19: 22
    +3
    Russia! First, we bring down the king-priest, then we bring down those who brought down the king and now we bring down those who brought down the king! For starters, there would be no idols for themselves, so that later they would not choke on poison when they do not live up to expectations. hi
  34. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 11 October 2016 19: 22
    +8
    I read the only "masterpiece" by Solzhenitsyn: "One Day in Ivan Denisych." I barely mastered it. Solid lies and mat, mat and mat to the place and out of place. More - out of place.
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 11 October 2016 22: 42
      +1
      but I liked it, in the 10th grade I mastered it, but have you already painted all the books? Can it be too early to read serious literature?
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 12 October 2016 13: 52
      +1
      Solzhenitsyn and Shalamov are not the only ones who left memories of the Gulag. And there are also academics who left their teeth in the dungeons of the NKVD in front of the sharaks. Georgy Zhzhenov why did he end up in the Gulag? A team of artists rode to shoot films in the Far East. An American journalist rode in a reserved seat car. The distant road quickly brings everyone together. Here for a cigarette from the American journalist Zhzhenov and rewind term. Armor could not get on stage for a long time. Do you know why? His father is one of those Siberian security officers who, horrified and outraged by the scale of the repression, wrote a letter to Stalin. So Armored became an enemy of the people. And you say where does the peacock-mavlin. You need to know the story, my dears, so that there is no lawlessness. hi
  35. masiya
    masiya 11 October 2016 19: 22
    +11
    They did everything right, there’s a place for him, Solzhenitsyn’s fault is not that he wrote the gulag archipelago, but that he cheated with the numbers of the repressed as he wandered, that rubbish was taken by the West and our liberals, that’s to solve all the problems Stalin and the Victory is their role ... but in general the peasant is far from being honest and not a patriot of his homeland ... he fought - yes, but not everyone who fought was real people ... Vlasov and others like him also fought ...
  36. demotivator
    demotivator 11 October 2016 19: 28
    +5
    Whatever they say, but people still support such actions. People intuitively, at the subconscious level, understand that any anti-Soviet (Solzhenitsyn, in this case) is also a Russophobe at the same time.
    Solzhenitsyn was an anti-Stalinist and anti-Soviet - and therefore Russophobe.
    The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe, much less an anti-Stalinist.
  37. kit-kat
    kit-kat 11 October 2016 19: 29
    +3
    Not all, it turns out, were zombified. It is gratifying to realize this. Well done. For some reason, it has been customary for us to elevate enemies to the rank of the property of the country - Solzhenitsyn, Sakharov, Kadyrov ...
  38. nnm
    nnm 11 October 2016 19: 36
    0
    I see no reason to "spit" on the dead .....
    And Saich has only one worthy work - "Cancer Ward".
  39. Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 11 October 2016 19: 39
    +9
    Once again for those "offended by Stalin."
    "Orange" revolution in February 1917. led to the destruction of power in Russia. The liberals who overthrew the tsar were unable to retain this power. The Tsar was overthrown, the Church after the abdication of the Tsar was discredited (for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland), the continuation of the war was impossible to "explain". And now very few, but brave, decisive and selfless Bolsheviks seize this crumbling power. They win the Civil War (which means that the people believed them!). Revolutions in European countries are suppressed at this time. In a hostile environment, industrialization is needed, because Russia was an agrarian country. Collectivization was needed for industrialization. Food appropriation? And the USSR could buy machines only for grain. And without machines, a quick end. Crushed. At first they did not trade with the USSR at all, but during the Civil War they took out a lot of "whites" abroad, but the devastation remained. With excesses in dispossession and surplus appropriation, but coped! They got on their feet economically and created their own industry! At first, the "humane" neighbors wanted to simply strangle the USSR economically. Did not work out! Further, in the mid-30s, it finally became clear that they would have to fight Hitler. Repression? The 5th column had to be removed! Overkill? Was it better with "shortage"? Hitler took Poland in passing, France in just a month. He had the best army in the world then! They delayed the war as best they could, maneuvered. Nowadays, few people argue with the fact that in the late 20s the leading cap. countries began to "negotiate", and Hitler is their world order project. Only this project was not managed much less ISIS (the first experience and in general a feature of "live" projects). In the Second World War, they fought with almost half of Europe. On the Kursk Bulge, every second German tank driver was a Czech! With unprecedented efforts and huge losses, we overcame !!! We learned how to fight best of all. And our "allies" at that time made an atomic bomb and threw it off on 2 Japanese cities. For the civilian, mainly the population. They demonstrated in public ... They are the bulwark of democracy, they can. The race began with the creation of the atomic bomb. Again the price is the existence of the country. And they did it much faster than "they" expected. Further, it was necessary to urgently bring the number of bombs to the minimum strategically necessary number. Well, this was done somewhere in the early 50s. Those. almost until Stalin's death there was a "race to survive". Then, under his leadership, they survived this race! Comparing these times with those that followed is like comparing a ship in a storm, when the team is fighting with all its might not to drown, and in calm. And in the calm, the Solzhenitsins "blossomed".
    Stalin's fault is precisely that he was not enough to either prepare a replacement for himself, or live longer, or prevent his own poisoning. And everything worked out - how it happened ... Khrushchev came, who, in addition to "exposing the cult of personality", also declared communism by 80 ... Why then again declared war on the church, although under Stalin they began to "make up" ... And the USSR "rotted away" like a fish, from the head.
    And more - go to eot.su
  40. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 11 October 2016 19: 41
    +5
    veteran66,
    when, instead of screaming about tens of millions of repressed, there will be a normal analysis, and stopping, the actions, which are often caused by the fact that it is impossible to express a different opinion, how many are here, I think I read Solzhenitsyn’s nonsense about the poor and convicts driven into the forest and frozen, and the opinion of the prisoners who simply said it was bullshit, And the ravings of memorialists telling about the senior terror in St. Petersburg, when the population of the city was destroyed by their numbers in a couple of years and a little more, who then surrounded surrounded their hometown, undead zombies, or zombies those who still draw this get along? I also know almost nothing about my relatives, especially from my grandmother’s line, only a few photographs of the 19th and early 20th centuries have been preserved and that's all
  41. acetophenone
    acetophenone 11 October 2016 19: 45
    +3
    50 years late ....
  42. Galleon
    Galleon 11 October 2016 19: 47
    +7
    It is useless to try to explain something to those who again crave someone else's blood. Just do not know that they themselves will go to the slaughter. If not the first, then in the third wave - how to give a drink.
    In Solzhenitsyn, only one who has not read it can spit. I myself was hostile to him until I began to read. He began to read and realized that he was writing the truth.
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 19: 55
      +11
      Quote: Galleon
      I myself was hostile to him until I began to read. He began to read and realized that he was writing the truth.

      In what place and where does this writer have the truth?
      It is not worth talking about 2 truth2, if it is NOT in his writings.
      So what Shalamov wrote to, yes, the truth, but he was sick of Solzhenitsyn's "creativity," but as a covenant he co-wrote, after his death, none of Solzhenitsyn's admirers could dig into his archives.
      "The activity of Solzhenitsyn is the activity of a businessman, focused narrowly on personal success with all the provocative accessories of such an activity ... Solzhenitsyn is a writer of Pisarzhevsky's scale, the level of talent direction is about the same.
      On the eighteenth of December Twardowski died. At the rumors of his heart attack, he thought that Twardowski applied exactly the Solzhenitsyn technique, rumors about his own cancer, but it turned out that he really died /.../ Stalinist pure water, which Khrushchev broke.
      None of the "progressive humanity" should be suitable for my archive. I forbid the writer Solzhenitsyn and all who have the same thoughts to get acquainted with my archive.
      The secret of Solzhenitsyn is that this is a hopeless poetic graphomaniac with the corresponding mental warehouse of this terrible disease, which created a huge amount of unusable poetic production that can never be presented anywhere, printed. All of his prose from "Ivan Denisovich" to "Matreninsky Dvor" was only a thousandth part of the sea of ​​poetic trash. His friends, representatives of “progressive humanity”, on whose behalf he spoke, when I informed them of my bitter disappointment in his abilities, saying: “Pasternak has more talent in one finger than in all novels, plays, movie scripts, stories and short stories, and verses of Solzhenitsyn, ”they answered me like this:“ How? Does he have verses? ” And Solzhenitsyn himself, with the ambition inherent in graphomaniacs and faith in his own star, probably believes quite sincerely - like every graphomaniac, that in five, ten, thirty, one hundred years the time will come when he will read his verses under a thousandth ray from right to left and from top to bottom and their secret will be revealed. After all, they were so easy to write, so easy to go with a pen, we will wait another thousand years. “Well,” I asked Solzhenitsyn in Solotche, “did you show all this to Twardovsky, your boss?” Twardowski, no matter how archaic the pen is used, the poet cannot sin here. - He showed. “Well, what did he say?” - That it is not necessary to show it yet.
      After numerous conversations with S / olzhenitsyn / I feel robbed, not enriched. "
      The Banner, 1995, No. 6
      This was written by V. SHALAMOV.
    2. ava09
      ava09 11 October 2016 23: 30
      +6
      True, at the level of everyday life, a convict, even that is not complete, cannot be a reflection of the life of an individual who sold everything and everything, from the Motherland to his own senior comrades. Solzhenitsyn did not take place either as a Citizen or as a Man, and besides disgust, people with a mature worldview do not cause anything else ...
    3. murriou
      murriou 12 October 2016 01: 55
      +9
      Quote: Galleon
      In Solzhenitsyn, only one who has not read it can spit.

      I read it. I spit on him. Wipe off laughing

      Quote: Galleon
      He began to read and realized that he was writing the truth.
      And how, interestingly, did you manage to understand this from the writings of a liar? lol
    4. Kalinvagen
      Kalinvagen 12 October 2016 12: 53
      +1
      That where you dig that? Get on the censor!
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 12 October 2016 13: 17
        +2
        In 2003, Solozhenitsyn’s classmate and former friend Semyon Badash wrote to him, “I have an open book in front of me by Ilya Zilberberg,“ Necessary Talk with Solzhenitsyn ”(Ilya Zilberberg. 14 Colchster Vale. Forest Row. Sussex. Great Britain. 1976). Its author was friendly with the Teusha family, who secretly kept your archive. After Teushey’s apartment became unreliable, they, leaving on vacation, transferred it to Ilya Iosifovich Zilberberg. But by that time the gebists had already put Teushi's phone on the wiretap and knew everything in advance. On September 11, 1965, they rushed to a search of Zilberberg, took the folder with your materials, after which both Teusz and Zilberberg were dragged for interrogations for many weeks.

        “You not only did not take part in their fate, but for several months you didn’t appear with Theusz, and Zilberberg was even accused of collaborating with the GB.” The author accuses Solzhenitsyn of him that he was an opportunist, an informer and a deceiver. http://ttolk.ru/2016/10/11/%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%
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  43. vezunchik
    vezunchik 11 October 2016 19: 48
    +6
    Well done! This has always been the case with traitors to the people! Great article
  44. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 11 October 2016 19: 48
    +15
    Quote: the most important
    They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ??? My grandfather was shot in the year 37. Grandmother died of grief in 38 at the age of 42 years. The father (8 years old was him) was hidden by relatives under a false name ... So do not la ... la ...

    In my family there is not a single relative repressed under Stalin. And you, like many, did not write down the reasons for the arrests. Really strange? In the families of my distant and close relatives, who existed even under kings, who survived the civilian side of the barricades, survived Yagoda, Yezhov, Beria, and World War II, they were not repressed. It is also unclear how Solzhenitsyn survived this liar from the liberals. And he wrote lies, because, look on the Internet, there are opinions of former Gulag prisoners that lies in his stories are at least a dime a dozen. He did not know the real camp life and wrote, invented from someone’s words.

    Examples of his biography:
    Father - Isaac Semenovich Solzhenitsyn, Russian peasant (did not give Jewish names in Russian families). Isaac Solzhenitsyn during the First World War went to the front as a volunteer and was an officer. Here it is a lie in the biography. A peasant in the tsarist army could not become an officer. As a result of the revolution and civil war, the family was ruined, and in 1924, Solzhenitsyn moved with his mother to Rostov-on-Don. From 1926 to 1936, he studied at school, living in poverty. In the lower grades, he was ridiculed for wearing a cross and unwillingness to join pioneers, and was reprimanded for attending church. Under the influence of the school adopted a communist ideology. And then - a great career. War is an artilleryman. In the war he began to criticize Stalin (for “distorting Leninism”). In correspondence with an old friend (Nikolai Vitkevich) he spoke abusively about Pakhan, by which Stalin was meant, kept in his personal belongings a “resolution” drawn up together with Vitkevich, in which he compared the Stalinist order with serfdom and talked about the creation of an “organization” after the war to restore the so-called "Leninist" norms.
    And his anti-Stalinism is understandable. Dad is a prosperous officer and not a peasant at all. The family was miserable during the Soviet era. Children's memory of humiliation since childhood, scolded faith, poverty instead of a prosperous life. Here are the reasons for his formation as an anti-adviser.
    His conclusion:
    On July 7, 1945, Solzhenitsyn was sentenced in absentia by the Special Meeting to 8 years of forced labor camps and eternal exile at the end of his sentence (under article 58, paragraph 10, part 2, and paragraph 11 of the RSFSR Criminal Code).
    In August he was sent to a camp in New Jerusalem, on 9 of September 1945, he was transferred to a camp in Moscow, whose prisoners were engaged in the construction of residential buildings on the Kaluga outpost (now Gagarin Square).
    In June, 1946 was transferred to the system by the special prison of the 4th special department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in September he was sent to the closed design bureau (“sharashka”) at the aircraft engine factory in Rybinsk, five months later, in February 1947 of the year, to the “sharashka” in Zagorsk, 9 July 1947 of the year - to a similar institution in Marfin (on the northern outskirts of Moscow). There he worked as a mathematician.
    On May 19 on 1950, Solzhenitsyn was transferred to Butyrka prison due to a quarrel with the Sharash bosses, from where he was sent to Steplag in August to a special camp in Ekibastuz.
    Released 13 February 1953 year.
    And what was it in Ekibastuz? This is actually a construction organization - the construction of Ekibastuz coal opencasts, the work of the Irtyshuglestroy trust of the USSR Ministry of coal industry, the construction of urban neighborhoods, a heat and power plant that was supposed to work on Ekibastuz coal, a brick and cement plant, a woodworking plant, and stone quarries. Those. built Ekibastuz.
    Thus Solzhenitsyn did not know anything about the real Gulag in the North, beyond the Arctic Circle, in boundless Siberia and the Far East. He did not cut down the forest, did not rot in the mines, was not cold in the Far North, he did not know all that he wrote about. A liar or more rude LIAR and a surname corresponding to his life - SOLZHENITSYN (lied).
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 11 October 2016 20: 02
      +7
      No matter how we in Russia try to "vaccinate" to make that Solzhenitsyn is supposedly the conscience of Russia, etc .... Everything has failed for you gentlemen ...! He was a traitor and a snitch ... I recommend reading it, sometimes boring, but something is not bad for comparison and understanding!
      Enemies need to know from the inside men ...
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 22: 13
        +6
        Enemies need to know, right, get acquainted with one of those whose bones were dragged to Moscow.

        In November 1945, the worst enemy of the Soviet Union and Russia was sent to the United States from France by British intelligence, crushed to smithereens during the Civil War, General A.I. Denikin, whose by no means knocked down relics were recently dragged with fanfare to Moscow. Through their agents In the circles of the Russian emigration to the United States, the Britons organized an invitation for him to America, ostensibly to give lectures. Fulfilling, during the period of a highly protracted "tour" in the United States, the instruction of British intelligence, in June 1947, that is, shortly before his death, Anton Ivanovich Denikin sent a message to US President H. Truman, in which he clearly wrote out to the foolish head of the White House how to fight Russia in order to gouge it for sure! I emphasize, with Russia, not with Soviet Power and the Soviet Union! It is a strange practice of British intelligence to act by proxy from someone else's foothold. Denikin made his main point the "fight against the personality cult" of Stalin! After all, he wrote that it is necessary to begin with the destruction of the personality cult of Stalin, because "the fall of the main support of the Bolshevik hierarchy (Stalin's authority) will lead to the destruction and destruction of the entire structure." And “a coup d'état in Russia,” wrote the “patriot” Denikin (once again, I draw your attention to the fact that not in the USSR, but in Russia. - A. M.), “will lead to fundamental changes in the regime, and not to only personal rearrangements "! And at the same time he implored Truman to take into account all the mistakes of Hitler - presumably, as a "sincere patriot" of Russia, Denikin passionately regretted that Adolf Aloizovich failed to destroy Russia!

        http://litlife.club/br/?b=224588&p=25
        Well, as soon as he completed the task assigned to him, then he immediately grabbed a heart attack, and on August 7, 1947 he was gone. The usual practice of the Britons: the Moor has done his job - the Moor can safely go to the forefathers.

        In parallel, but in the same 1948, the Chariotir plan appeared, according to which the war against the USSR was to begin “with concentrated attacks using atomic bombs against government, political and administrative centers, industrial cities and selected oil refining enterprises, from bases in the West hemispheres and England. "

        In the first thirty days it was planned to bring down 133 atomic bombs on 70 Soviet cities in the Soviet Union. Including 8 atomic bombs - against Moscow and 7 atomic bombs - then called Leningrad St. Petersburg. Then another 200 atomic bombs and 250 thousand tons of conventional bombs!
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 October 2016 23: 35
          0
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          presumably, as a "sincere patriot" of Russia Denikin passion as regretted that Adolf Aloizovich failed to destroy Russia

          Actually, during the Second World War, he refused to cooperate with the Germans, so he should not be blamed for all sins.
    2. bk316
      bk316 11 October 2016 21: 51
      +5
      In my family there is not a single relative repressed under Stalin.

      I can tell a sad story how one of my relatives repressed another, and then vice versa.
      But why, do you doubt the thousands of innocently convicted?
    3. veteran66
      veteran66 11 October 2016 22: 52
      +1
      "Thus, Solzhenitsyn did not know anything about the real GULAG in the North, beyond the Arctic Circle, in endless Siberia and in the Far East."
      aha, the Irtysh flows in the Sochi area, and the Irtyshuglestroy trust has nothing to do with the GULAG, since it belonged to the Zdravkurort ministry, really, how does he know that? And as a result of sitting on "sharashkas" he wrote his "In the first circle" and a cool film and a book.
      1. ava09
        ava09 19 October 2016 13: 52
        0
        "Veteran of the SS" in the course, my mother wrote ...
  45. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 11 October 2016 19: 54
    +9
    A savage act. However, one should not expect anything else from the "left youth". Such thugs in their mentality are not far from the Maidan "horses".
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 11 October 2016 19: 59
      +11
      Savage deeds are what you do.
      On Thursday in Surgut, a bust of Joseph Stalin, set a few weeks earlier, was dismantled. According to the governor of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug Natalya Komarova, when erecting the sculpture, “the feelings of people for whom this story is connected with the fate of families and personal tragedy” were not taken into account.

      Andrei Fursov

      At first glance, the demolition of Stalin’s bust in Surgut and generally the attitude to monuments in our country look like devastation in the heads when the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. But in fact, there is a very clear logic behind this. Although we have written in the Constitution that there is no ideology in Russia, there is a de facto ideology. After all, ideology does not have to be proclaimed as a state one. Ideology can be realized in specific economic and political actions, in the nature of television programs, the selection of films for display, and so on. So, the ideology that we have is not just the ideology of quasi-liberalism. Quasi - because real liberalism died in the West between 1910 and 1920. What is now called neoliberalism is actually a cover for the robbery by the apex (not only in the West, but also in post-Soviet Russia) of the middle and lower sections of the population.
      https://cont.ws/post/396593#com4343543
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 11 October 2016 22: 34
        +6
        Are you saying that it was me who dismantled the monument? Alas, I have to upset you, I have not the slightest relation to Surgut and he did not even touch the monument with a finger. But the "action" to which the article is devoted, I really consider it barbaric - to protest against the recognition of repressions by hanging a dummy is like protesting against beatings through a mass brawl. In other words, the actions of these thugs are devoid of any logic and meaning and only give another reason for the opponents of communism to declare the lack of culture and savagery of its supporters.
        PS Anticipating possible objections, I will tell you that I am not a liberal, but a conservative, not an anti-Semite and not a "descendant of counts". Here is the enemy of communism, yes, it is. I do believe that there are serious errors in Marx's political and economic theories that separate them from reality. But, I will sadden you again, I sincerely love Russia and its people and consider Russia my homeland. So you won't be able to write me down as Russophobes, with all your desire.
  46. Altona
    Altona 11 October 2016 19: 59
    +6
    Quote: the most important
    They fell into insanity, Comrade Colonel ???

    --------------------------
    Today at Vesti FM historian Artur Gasparyan talked about political repression and Stalin. The phenomenon is certainly terrible, but Stalin himself is not the main figure there. Comrade Khrushchev was especially zealous, and the non-contributing intelligentsia itself wrote denunciations in batches, creatively and very willingly. But for some reason only Stalin is to blame. The era was harsh, and people were imperfect too.
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    1. NordUral
      NordUral 11 October 2016 20: 12
      +10
      The feeling is that the administration of VO sympathizes with the liberals. A selection of articles to confirm this. And the most relevant publications in those sections are placed where you cannot just express your opinion, as I am doing now.
  48. parusnik
    parusnik 11 October 2016 20: 05
    +1
    For 10 years of work where I have been working lately, 10 denunciations were written for me .. I can’t say otherwise, they were written at the behest of my heart, but I figured it out, but the scammers are wrong .. in 1937 .. I would be shot 10 times .. who wrote denunciations are working .. smiling .. really can’t say hello to them ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 11 October 2016 20: 43
      +4
      For 10 years of work where I have been working lately, 10 denunciations have been written for me
      .A those who denunciations wrote work .. smile ..

      Similarly. Half a year ago he came to the team, the most humane profession in the world, a civil institution, no secrets.
      After 2-3 months. noticed how they were taking pictures of me from the undercover: they stop me, ask a stupid question, while I answer, they turn me 90 degrees and out of the corner of my eye I notice a guy with a camera jumping out from behind a kiosk and taking pictures from 10-15 meters. Then provocations began at the place of residence and work. Well, for example. That year, when a well-known historian in our city died in the fall, at the beginning of summer two small cattle came up from our street and began to sell me a church book for a quarter. Like my grandmother left a chest with books. The book is old, written in Glagolitic, not Cyrillic. Lithograph or handwritten, I can’t say, I don’t understand, but the capital letters are scarlet, uppercase like diluted ink. After some time I saw this book in "Bukinist" and it cost like 24 Volga. The next day I ask if we’ll go and see grandma’s chest, maybe I’ll pick up something for work. Wondering what kind of chest? A. it was stolen, like a night! This cattle has already forgotten about yesterday's lies.
      Since childhood, I had no time to engage in stupid things. If not at school, it means in training or an aircraft modeling circle, or in the library of the Palace of Pioneers. Like everyone else, he studied and worked at the institute. How many tons of cement, barges with watermelons and tomatoes ....
      After graduation, all the time for one and a half, and most of the 3 shifts a week and in the afternoon to the fullest. And they didn’t arrange any provocations on my watch. Once, for three days in a row, two operatives tracked what time I left the house, what time I came to work and back. Then they sent a neighbor-drunk Kolyan. A clean, shaved, white shirt, ironed suit comes running in and tries to sell me a thick brand new gold chain for a bottle of vodka. The answer is: I'm not a woman to be weighed in gold tsatskami. I left, I followed him, peeking around the corner and saw: Kolyan was standing on the bent ones in front of these in black jackets and jeans near a black nine, waving his hands, muttering something guiltily. There are already three "witnesses to think about, neighbors like him. I met the bald one by chance in the Gardens market 8 or 10 years later. The lieutenant colonel, but not a cop. He recognized me and twitched, either to go to the shop, or to hide. Then he got up. , opening the door and waiting for me to enter first.
      He greeted me politely, only after that I recognized him. There were others. Until I started buzzing with each next provocation, the next woodpecker about the predecessors, only after that they brazenly and unceremoniously no longer climb. Still stir. It’s most offensive when co-workers with whom you work every day were provocateurs. If all these booths and clownery are described, then probably there will be a thicker War and Peace. Here the colonels have cash the size of a big city’s budget. And I, all my life from work to work, as a result of diabetes and hypertension, myocardial infarction on my legs, a sick spine, I can’t retire because I have children and grandchildren. One must work honestly and conscientiously as the late teachers taught. hi
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 11 October 2016 23: 29
        +4
        Where did you run from?
      2. arcgrz
        arcgrz 11 October 2016 23: 53
        0
        Svidomo crest?
    2. bk316
      bk316 11 October 2016 21: 48
      +3
      In fact, those who write that their relatives were not repressed, simply do not understand that they would do nothing bad to write a denunciation on you. Not surely the scammer will also be shot later, but you will not care.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 11 October 2016 23: 31
        +1
        So who is to blame then - the NKVD or the scammer?
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 12 October 2016 22: 15
          0
          Who is to blame that Colonel Zakharchenko went unpunished for a hundred years? His cash is a common fund Thieves in law or cops? And what is there in the garages of Zakharchenko and his relatives? All that is acquired by excessive labor, it must be assumed: three sheepskin coats, two video recorders .... wassat
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 11 October 2016 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      in 1937 .. times 10 I would be shot

      And why in 37, and not in the 30th? Or the 27th?
  49. Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 11 October 2016 20: 05
    +2
    captain,
    70 years reached the pen however request
  50. NordUral
    NordUral 11 October 2016 20: 09
    +1
    Well done boys!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 October 2016 05: 44
      +1
      I hope these gopniks get what they deserve!