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Roscosmos will sign a contract to create a manned spacecraft of a new generation

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Roscosmos intends to conclude a contract with the only supplier represented by SP Rocket and Space Corporation Energia Korolev "to create a manned transport ship of the new generation (in the framework of the Federal Space Program of the Russian Federation on 2016-2025) with the alleged name" Federation "(Code number SCR ROC:" PPTK "), reports bmpd with reference to the procurement portal.




The contract price is 57,5 billion rubles, the estimated completion of works is 30 November 2025.

The OCD technical specification states:

"The purpose of the fulfillment of the MF (component) of the ROC is the creation of a manned transport ship complex (KPTK), having in its composition a manned transport ship of a new generation for flights to near-earth and beyond the limits of the near-earth orbit, including the safe return Earth with 2-th cosmic velocity, as well as the creation of rocket-space complexes; that ensure the conduct of a manned transport ship in near-earth orbit and when flying to the moon in unmanned nom and manned mode.

2.1.2 Flight Test (LKI-1) PTK:

- unmanned flight PTK at OISS in 2021;
- unmanned flight PTK with docking of the ISS in 2023;
- manned spacecraft flight with docking to the ISS in 2023.

2.1.3 Carry out an analysis of the flight test program and correct the documentation (if necessary).

2.1.4 Creating elements of the second PTK product

Technical requirements
З.1 Manned transport ship complex

3.1.1 CPTK should include:

- space head of the SH;

- teaching and training tools PTK and AU.

3.1.2 ASC should include:

- manned transport ship;

- emergency rescue rocket unit;

- assembly and protective unit.

3.1.3 KPTK should provide:

- launches of manned transport ships to near-earth and near-moon orbits;

- crew rescue in emergency situations at the launch complex, on the active part of the ILV flight, at the stage of descent in the atmosphere and landing;

- training of personnel for the performance of work with flight products and ground-based technological equipment, including the preparation of KGCH launches.

3.1.4 The space head must be unified for flights to near-moon and to near-earth orbits.


3 .2 Manned Transport Ship

3.2.1 PTK is designed to deliver the crew and payload to the near-moon or near-earth orbits and their subsequent return to Earth.

3.2.2 During a flight, a manned transport ship must provide:

- flight from near-earth orbit to near-moon orbit using inter-orbital transportation means;

- rapprochement and docking on a near-moon (near-earth) orbit with elements of the orbital lunar (near-earth) infrastructure;

- functioning as part of the near-earth orbital or near-moon orbital infrastructure;

- flight along the circumlunar / near-earth orbit in manned and unmanned modes;

- transition from the circumlunar orbit to the flight trajectory to the Earth;

- submersion of DOs in a given area of ​​the World Ocean;

- BA descent, VA regular landing. ensuring the safety of crew health, landing accuracy, and the suitability of the aircraft for future use.


3.2.3 When performing flights to the Moon, the following ratio of crew size, duration of an autonomous PTC flight and payload mass should be met:

- crew size - at least 4 people;

- the mass of the delivered / returned cargo is not less than 100 kg;

- the duration of the autonomous flight to the Moon, the flight through the OISL and return to Earth - at least 30 days;

- the duration of the flight as part of the element of the near-moon orbital infrastructure, taking into account the provision of the PTC with the means of the element of the near-moon orbital infrastructure in terms of the LSS, the SES, the CRTR, etc. - at least 180 days with a total flight duration of at least 190 days.


3.2.4 When performing flights in near-earth orbit, the following ratio of the number of crew, the duration of an autonomous PTC flight and the mass of the payload must be met:

- crew full-time - 4 person (must be provided with the possibility of placing for the descent no more than 6 people);

- weight: of the delivered / returned cargo - not less than 500 kg;

- the duration of the autonomous flight of the PTK in near-earth orbit:

1) when servicing the EZOI - at least 3 days;

2) when performing target flights with an 4 human crew - at least 14 days;

3) when performing target flights with a crew of at least 2 people — at least 30 days;

- the duration of the flight as part of the element of the near-earth orbital infrastructure, taking into account the provision of the PTC with the means of the element of the near-earth orbital infrastructure in terms of LSS, SES, SRTR, etc. - at least 365 days.


3.2.5 The multiplicity of the use of the returned apparatus when performing near-Earth flights and flights to the Moon - 10.

3.2.6 PTK should provide automatic and manual performance of the following operations when interacting with elements of the near-moon (near-earth) orbital infrastructure:

~ autonomous rendezvous with ELOIUEZOI;

- docking;

- undocking.

3 .2.7 Refueling should provide:

- rapprochement and docking with ELOI (EZOI);

- building and maintaining the orientation of the PTK in a near-moon (near-earth) orbit during autonomous flight;

- the issuance of the pulse of departure from the moon to return to Earth.

3.2.8 The on-board systems and the layout of the command compartment of the BA must ensure control of the STC when all the flight modes are performed by one person from either of the two work places of the command compartment of the VA.

3.2.9 PTK should provide landing in specified areas on the territory of the Russian Federation on land within a radius of no more than 5 km. ”

Works should be performed using the scientific and technical background created by RSC Energia under the state contract No. 19.12.2013-351 / 9990 / 13 from the 427 state contract for the design and development work of the PPTS (1 stage).

SCR OCD is divided into nine stages:

“1.Development of working design documentation for AU and MF AUU (PTK, RBAS, NWB), including the program and methods of metrological expertise. Metrological examination - the term 09.2018

2. Manufacturing of mock-ups and experimental products, autonomous tests and corrections of the working documentation of the PTK, SZB and RBAS. Metrological examination - the term 09.2023

3. Production of mock-ups and experimental products, complex and interdepartmental tests, adjustment of the working documentation of the hardware and software complex, the sanitary protection system and the RBAC. Metrological examination - the term 02.2025

4. Production and preparation of the flight model PTK, flight tests, including support of the flight PTK in an unmanned version in 2021 year - the term 03.2022

5. Preparation, including inter-flight service, of a flight model of a flight control system, flight tests, including support of a flight of a flight control system in an unmanned version of the ISS in 2023 - the term 03.2023

6. Preparation, including inter-flight service, of a flight model of a flight control system, flight tests, including support of a flight of a flight control system in a manned version of the ISS in 2023 - the term 03.2024

7. Space complex with PTK and PH of a heavy class “Angara-A5P” - term 09.2020

8. Manned space complex in support of the lunar program with a heavy-class PH - 09.2021 term

9. The manufacture of PTK components for flyby of the Moon is the term 11.2025. ”
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PJSC "Rocket and Space Corporation" Energia "named after SP. Queen"
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  1. Uryukc
    Uryukc 11 October 2016 14: 01
    +3
    4 people, 190 days, diameter 4,5 meters, landing on the moon, and the same module is returning to the earth ... somehow I can’t imagine it. What will they eat, drink, and breathe for six months? Enlighten the topic ...
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 11 October 2016 14: 08
      +4
      They will fly in a cryogenic chamber. Like a kine. smile
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      2. Conductor
        Conductor 11 October 2016 14: 15
        +10
        New cash cow? laughing laughing laughing
        supposed completion of work - November 30, 2025

        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 11 October 2016 14: 50
          +3
          He laughs well, who laughs ... without consequences ... Otherwise, the diamond jaw can be left at the shkonks (at best), at worst preserved .. and to be buried along with Berezovsky’s scarf. I dream about such a time ..
          1. Conductor
            Conductor 11 October 2016 14: 59
            +3
            I dream of such a time ..

            Do you dream that someone would kill Ilona Mask? A very strange desire.
        2. maxim947
          maxim947 11 October 2016 15: 58
          +1
          Everything connected with the future tense has not been taken seriously lately ... especially the dates .. well, God forbid
        3. sir_obs
          sir_obs 11 October 2016 16: 44
          +1
          Is he so happy that Russia continued to allow it to buy seats on its ships or did it establish the production of trampolines?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 11 October 2016 19: 28
            0
            Established the production of trampolines. Already fun bouncing on his CAC
            1. sir_obs
              sir_obs 11 October 2016 20: 04
              +3
              Yeah, but somehow it doesn’t work out with repeated launches, and there is no guarantee with the first ones.
              So far this is only a show.
              Even they do not rely on him much in Congress, they plan to buy seats in unions, why would it?
            2. In100gram
              In100gram 12 October 2016 16: 57
              0
              Quote: BlackMokona
              Already fun bouncing on his CAC

              The show is good, but live, from orbit, there were no splashes in my opinion. I could be wrong. Atmospheric tests of the parachute system.
        4. SPACE
          SPACE 11 October 2016 17: 14
          +12
          Quote: Explorer
          New cash cow?

          Who about what, and lousy about the bath. How much the people went down and degraded mentally and spiritually, it’s only mindful to milk, to cut, corruption, the topic is certainly a sore subject, but not to obsessive idiocy, each time there is a herd of lousy sheep, or insectoids with their own personal snouting who are looking for dirmos in any topic, probably experiencing pathological joy from constant life in such an environment, it seems they are not animals and could live, strange deeds of a sleeping mind.
          And before they were interested and dreamed of, aspired, it was an interesting and exciting topic, but now? "Yes, there were people in our time, not like the current tribe."
          Of course you can keep silent and then this sludge will be even more. negative
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 11 October 2016 19: 48
            +16
            Quote: SPACE
            Who about what, and lousy about the bath. How much the people went down and degraded mentally and spiritually, it’s only mindful to milk, to cut, corruption, the topic is certainly a sore subject, but not to obsessive idiocy, each time there is a herd of lousy sheep, or insectoids with their own personal snouting who are looking for dirmos in any topic, probably experiencing pathological joy from constant life in such an environment, it seems they are not animals and could live, strange deeds of a sleeping mind.

            ... everything is much simpler ... they have such a job ... all according to the training manual ... clearly:

            ... and in every topic, the same and with the same ... bully ... I have another question! ... when they start fighting with them on the resource! ... read the first comment:

            Quote: Uryukc
            4 people, 190 days, diameter 4,5 meters, landing on the moon, and the same module is returning to the earth ... somehow I can’t imagine it. What will they eat, drink, and breathe for six months? Enlighten the topic ...
            ... the question is, did a person read an article at all or did he flip diagonally? ... the answer in the article is black and white:
            the duration of the flight as part of the element of the lunar orbital infrastructure, taking into account the provision of PTC means of the element of the lunar orbital infrastructure in terms of LSS, SES, SOTR, etc. - at least 180 days with a total flight duration of at least 190 days.
            ... what kind of landing are you talking about? ... what 4,5 m.? ... to decipher in the mind the three letters of the LSS - is it a problem now? ... Life supporting system ! ... it's not a Navajo code to crack or an Inigma to untwist .. laughing
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 11 October 2016 20: 08
              +6
              P.S. ... for such a "first comment" less than three years ago ... they immediately hung the skulls on shoulder straps and forward with sausage along the small Spasskaya ... survived, it's good that even Apollo does not see this, eternal Memory to him! ... The rules of the VO resource must be thoroughly revised, opinion and outright flood are different things ... hi
            2. Thor
              Thor 11 October 2016 20: 45
              +1
              Those. it turns out just a sleeping module for the crew with pedals and an engine. Fuel, grub and toilet fly separately screwed.
        5. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 October 2016 22: 18
          0
          Mask has a lot of plans and at stake are huge injections of investors, from around the world to his company.
    2. RUS96
      RUS96 11 October 2016 14: 08
      +2
      The main base (ship) will be in the orbit of the Earth or the Moon. The "Federation" will be, so to speak, a cab. I think so)
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 11 October 2016 14: 19
        +1
        And how will this base appear there? Isn't the mule small for taking out the bases?
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 11 October 2016 14: 26
          +10
          After wiping off the dust from the developments with the inscription of the USSR, you can find out: "The first launch into the lunar orbit delivered a descent vehicle intended only for flights" Moon orbit - Moon surface - Moon orbit. "The second - directly an expeditionary ship for flights to the Moon orbit and back. the scheme could deliver not only a significantly larger number of people to the moon (in total, the expedition planned up to 8 people!), but also a significantly larger amount of cargo to the moon itself.This greatly increased the cost of the expedition, but also sharply increased its efficiency, both due to a significant increase in terms stay of the expedition on the Moon, and due to the possibility of conducting a much larger number of experiments and research. Ultimately, it was still planned to create a permanent station on the Moon. The landing modules were to become the very first premises of the future Lunar City. A similar scheme was assumed for the development program Mars "
          1. Uryukc
            Uryukc 11 October 2016 14: 37
            +2
            Quote: JonnyT
            After wiping off the dust from the developments with the inscription of the USSR, you can find out: "The first launch into a circumlunar orbit delivered a descent vehicle intended only for flights" Moon orbit - Moon surface - Moon orbit "


            Thank you for brushing off the dust from these products for us. Now everything is clearer.
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 11 October 2016 15: 17
          +4
          Quote: Uryukc
          And how will this base appear there? Isn't the mule small for taking out the bases?

          1) Put the module into orbit.
          2) The acceleration unit was brought out.
          3) Docked.
          4) Entered into lunar orbit.
          5) Profit.
          1. Uryukc
            Uryukc 11 October 2016 15: 59
            0
            I see ... we are waiting for news about the upper stage and modules. Thank you brother".
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 11 October 2016 16: 38
              +1
              Quote: Uryukc
              I see ... we are waiting for news about the upper stage and modules. Thank you brother".

              There are accelerating blocks; they are satellites at the geostationary station. Modules, in principle, are also not a problem, there is experience in construction and even from the ISS you can chop off your piece if they are going to sink it.
    3. JonnyT
      JonnyT 11 October 2016 14: 09
      0
      so it’s kind of modular, household modules dock on the basis of tasks ..... although it seems to me that this is another adventure. from 2005 of the year they began to make a new ship, in 2009 type they created a federation model - that still a cash cow
    4. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 11 October 2016 14: 13
      0
      Flight to the Moon is 190 days ?? With landing and research time less than two weeks. Next you need a docked module with a brake and a starting engine (it remains on the satellite). You can dock additional equipment to it.
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 11 October 2016 14: 21
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Flight to the moon-190 days ??

        No 190 days whole operation.
        - the duration of the autonomous flight to the Moon, the flight through the OISL and return to Earth - at least 30 days;
    5. Palch
      Palch 11 October 2016 14: 23
      0
      they will eat holy spirit .....
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 11 October 2016 14: 30
        0
        Regeneration, recovery, all vital signs ?? No.
        One thing is clear for sure that if they still fly there, then they will not have a chance to gain weight.
    6. Gray brother
      Gray brother 11 October 2016 14: 53
      +1
      Quote: Uryukc
      4 people, 190 days, diameter 4,5 meters, landing on the moon, and the same module returns to the earth

      I suspect that there one module will not do.
      as part of an element of the lunar orbital infrastructure
    7. Tartar
      Tartar 11 October 2016 15: 26
      0
      Nothing has been written about the moon landing.
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 11 October 2016 15: 56
        0
        Quote: TarTar
        Nothing has been written about the moon landing.

        a new generation manned transport ship for flying to low Earth and beyond Earth orbit, including to the Moon,

        And how without landing, do you think they will simply hang in orbit? What's the point?
        1. Uryukc
          Uryukc 11 October 2016 16: 13
          0
          Comrades have already suggested that there will be a special module:
          orbit of the moon - moon - orbit of the moon.
          It’s not easy, however, to master the moon ...
        2. Igor V
          Igor V 11 October 2016 21: 53
          0
          Is it really hard to understand: a manned TRANSPORT ship. It will be transported from point A to point B of the world space of people and goods. sad
    8. siberalt
      siberalt 11 October 2016 16: 46
      +3
      Roscosmos will sign a contract .. "With whom? am Or is this "space" already a private company? If not, then the state concludes an agreement with itself with the bold (who have specific surnames) divided by it persons of the same flesh purely for cutting the budget. Maybe it's time to get back to planning and stop stealing?
    9. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 11 October 2016 22: 07
      +1
      A diameter of 4,5 m does not mean 4,5 m long. Most likely, the restriction is caused by the characteristics of the launch vehicle. The terms of reference look competently, but the schedule is locked up, don’t go to the grandmother.
    10. slipped
      slipped 11 October 2016 22: 33
      0
      17 cubic meters of space in the SA, of which 11 are residential, fly to the lunar station for 3 days, there is a toilet on board, grub too, landing on the moon is not in it, but in LM it is a separate cabin.
    11. Fidel
      Fidel 11 October 2016 23: 54
      0
      Ask the same with Apollo. The current there was such a height, not a diameter. Do not worry?
  2. evil partisan
    evil partisan 11 October 2016 14: 07
    +1
    Good news, of course. God grant that our designers and production workers succeed the first time. But still: how long in our space program there were no real breakthroughs. I read about the American mission to Titan every time with a pain in my heart ...
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 11 October 2016 14: 32
      +5
      On titanium belay and they have already found a replacement for Spielberg or not laughing
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 11 October 2016 14: 50
        +3
        Not. In general, Titan as Venus is just the opposite. In the sense, initially there was a minimum of interest (and to Venus a maximum, right up to the Venusians with bread and salt). However, then the first detailed mission was suddenly established, then Titan is the only object in the system where you can live on a long expedition with the current level of technology, conduct effective research + elementary life is very likely (on Venus, on the contrary, the first mission ascertained a branch of Hell).

        Cassini-Hugens made a fundamental breakthrough on the topic.
        However, now everything has been cut into space. Therefore, TSSM rolled into 2020 +. This is a new expedition, with a long-term presence of robots on Titan, a special mobile umbrella in a balloon. A set of studies in the lakes of Titan, its atmosphere and soil.
      2. cap
        cap 11 October 2016 16: 02
        0
        Quote: 2s1122
        On titanium belay and they have already found a replacement for Spielberg or not laughing


        Found, and the script is written, the name is known throughout the world ... Styrilg! laughing
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 11 October 2016 14: 08
    +2
    There have been talks about the Federation ship for six years already, there is even a model. Well, it turns out that things will get off the ground .. I hope.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 03: 41
      +3
      Was on production practice at Energia in the department, head of the Soyuz spacecraft. They organized for us meetings with neighboring departments, and in one of them the "Federation" is being developed. The conversation with the head of the department was funny - he swore about their craft more than he spoke normally. And most of all - on the requirements for the product, the main of which is "Schaub is not like a Union and made of composites."
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 11 October 2016 14: 09
    +4
    Production of PTC components for the moon overflight - deadline 11.2025
    Americans urgently need to do something about it! laughing Or inherit traces around the landings. Or bang something. So that there are no landings. Or you can unfasten the grannies a lot so that the tracks are noticed laughing
    1. RUS96
      RUS96 11 October 2016 14: 13
      +1
      There was talk about sending a small satellite to the moon, so that he could only take pictures and transmit a picture. They even collected money. And what's the silence? laughing
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 11 October 2016 14: 20
        +6
        RUS96 hi
        There was talk about sending a small satellite to the moon, so that he could only take pictures and transmit a picture. They even collected money. And what's the silence?
        Yes, there was such an idea. But the American loot wins! laughing As I understand it, you can compensate for the cost of space without flying to the moon. And without photographing the places of "landings" laughing It is interesting when the photo will not show traces around the "landings" of astronauts. Probably a fairy tale about the Lunar wind will be blown away! laughing
      2. luka
        luka 11 October 2016 14: 53
        +1
        https://geektimes.ru/company/moonmodule/blog/
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        2. luka
          luka 11 October 2016 15: 11
          0
          Actually the company’s blog. In May, there was a meeting with the developers. A new satellite image was presented there: https://hsto.org/getpro/geektimes/post_images/ceb
          /675/dbe/ceb675dbe6eb71eb6070b7c30196dc45.jpg
    2. Uryukc
      Uryukc 11 October 2016 14: 25
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Americans urgently need to do something about it!

      You rejoice ahead of time this pepelats (Federation), which is somehow suspicious (see the first comment on the article).
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 11 October 2016 14: 45
        +4
        Uryukc
        You rejoice ahead of time this pepelats (Federation), which is somehow suspicious (see the first comment on the article).
        Looked .Fignya. Nobody in the Federation will sit in 190m for 4 days. The Federation is a spaceship that will be docked. Anything. A station, an interplanetary station, a lunar landing apparatus, etc. And certainly by itself He will not fly with 4 cosmonauts for 190 days, but his service in space for 190 days is like good morning.
  5. Palch
    Palch 11 October 2016 14: 22
    +3
    In terms of execution, garbage is complete. And the money is already almost 50% of the estimated cost of the project. Only Colonel Zakharchenko in cash and on accounts abroad just scraped 20 billion rubles ....
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 03: 43
      +1
      Yeah, they’re developing it for four years (no less), the name was just different.
  6. GEV67
    GEV67 11 October 2016 14: 26
    +4
    And a huge friendship saw against the background of all this dough cut.
    1. cap
      cap 11 October 2016 15: 52
      +1
      Quote: GEV67
      And a huge friendship saw against the background of all this dough cut.


      Ahead is still Mars, and the entire Universe.
      ! "no money", but we are holding on "to the moon". laughing
      Against the background of a 3% increase in GDP, dreaming is not harmful.
      Serdyukov (not the one in the Airborne Forces) will issue a fifth-generation nano helicopter to the mountain. The nano tank passes the second stage of tests, so secret that the money allocated for development (so that the CIA does not recognize), had to be kept at the person responsible for this very secret officer.
      But as an optimist, I believe.
      In spite of everything, our military base on the Moon will be as promised by Roskosmos.
      True, this task was set by Comrade Stalin.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 11 October 2016 18: 35
        +3
        Stalin did not conclude "contracts" by himself laughing and didn’t saw the people’s grandmother for the sab on personal yachts and houses along the Mediterranean coasts and exotic islands around the world. All his "wealth" - the golden shoulder straps of the generally recognized Generalisimo, and the golden buttons on his uniform, in which he was placed in the mausoleum, were cut off by Khrushchev.
  7. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 11 October 2016 14: 46
    +3
    Concepts ... Tenders ... Contracts ... Layouts (at MAX) ... Drawings (Raphael found) ...

    Where is the iron? am

    And just recently there was a tender for 127 million rubles for "calculation of interplanetary routes to Mars, the moon and ... Jupiter"

    These millions are for the calculation! I just can’t imagine a more impudent and disgusting theft. And this despite the fact that nothing (except, perhaps, some pieces of the Phobos coffin) reached Mars. This is despite the fact that even the USSR did not fly to Jupiter! am
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 03: 46
      +1
      The calculation of the routes to Mars and the Moon is really a joke, but up to Jupiter, the trajectory oh, how difficult it is to calculate ... Some large asteroids are worth it, and even small ones there along the way ... chew on one point. But it’s impossible to lose, at cosmic speeds even dust particles can penetrate the rocket’s body.
  8. gg.na
    gg.na 11 October 2016 14: 59
    +1
    Roscosmos will sign a contract to create a manned spacecraft of a new generation

    New cosmodrome built good so manned ships too yes to be!!! drinks
  9. Gray brother
    Gray brother 11 October 2016 15: 08
    +1
    Where are the Americans with their "Constellation"? Ay, dear ones! lol
    13 years have already passed, and “Altair” is still not there.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 11 October 2016 15: 52
      0
      According to the initial plans, Altair was supposed to land on the moon in a manned version on December 7, 2015. am
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 11 October 2016 16: 45
        +1
        Quote: Gormengast
        According to the initial plans, Altair was supposed to land on the moon in a manned version on December 7, 2015.

        The Constellation program was launched back in 2003, under President Bush Jr. Orion, by the way, is from the same place.
  10. Berthan
    Berthan 11 October 2016 15: 19
    +2
    Contract price - 57,5 billion rubles

    Where all this will happen, in a prominent place - to arrange a museum of all kinds of different tools ...
  11. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 11 October 2016 15: 19
    +1
    At least 4 people, this means there will be just 4 people. And 4 people are few, it was not worth the fence and the garden, immediately give way to Orion. Even the ever-memorable Dawn, and then calculated on 6 people. The total mass of the lunar variant is about 17 tons and the use for launching a heavy Angara is expensive and redundant. Moreover, the diameter of the URM-1 is 3.6 meters, and the diameter of the ship is 4.5 meters, and the tip will be even larger. With such a knob a very ugly design will come out. For 57 billion rubles, Korolev would organize a manned flight to Mars.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 11 October 2016 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      immediately give way to Orion.

      So far, not a single American hero has climbed into Orion, they could at least send someone to the ISS on it.
      And then everything about Mars with the moon is screaming.
    2. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 03: 48
      +2
      Well, there is infa, that this device was originally designed for 8 people ... From there, from Energy.
  12. gorunov
    gorunov 11 October 2016 15: 22
    +1
    Where is the list of installed weapons?
  13. Diviz
    Diviz 11 October 2016 15: 58
    0
    the ISS will be flooded by 2023 - now the new ISS needs money. and then more money rubles. here they sell rockets for the currency here let them out and buy LCD monitors and other electronics in China. and then upgrade Soviet technology vtyuhivayut as something new.
  14. Holoy
    Holoy 11 October 2016 17: 39
    0
    In Samara, Buran did ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 October 2016 22: 13
      0
      Buran actually collected at the Tushino Engineering Plant.
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  17. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2016 20: 44
    +3
    Quote: Uryukc
    4 people, 190 days, diameter 4,5 meters, landing on the moon, and the same module is returning to the earth ... somehow I can’t imagine it. What will they eat, drink, and breathe for six months? Enlighten the topic ...

    Sorry, where did you find the phrase about landing on the moon? 190 days - what’s incomprehensible here? After all, it is clearly written:
    the duration of the flight as part of the element of the lunar orbital infrastructure, taking into account the provision of PTC means of the element of the lunar orbital infrastructure in terms of LSS, SES, SOTR, etc. - at least 180 days with a total flight duration of at least 190 days.

    Decrypt? The ship starts from near-Earth orbit, in orbit of the artificial moon satellite docked with the lunar orbital station. The autonomy of the ship’s flight as part of this lunar orbital station is 180 days. Then there is still a few days to return to Earth. In total, the autonomy is 190 days.

    Quote: sir_obs
    Yeah, but somehow it doesn’t work out with repeated launches, and there is no guarantee with the first ones. So far this is only a show.

    We don't even have this show. We continue to "dream" of reusable modules of the "Baikal" type. We have been dreaming for thirty years. And he does. With failures, accidents, but it does. We only dream

    Quote: Uryukc
    And how will this base appear there? Isn't the mule small for taking out the bases?

    Are they going to deliver the base there on the Federation? There are projects for interorbital tugs. In the end, modules can be thrown directly into the flight path to the moon. Yes, more expensive than a tug, but quite real

    Quote: Gray Brother
    There are accelerating blocks; they are satellites at the geostationary station. Modules, in principle, are also not a problem, there is experience in construction and even from the ISS you can chop off your piece if they are going to sink it.

    In fact, there are no accelerators for the modules of the lunar station yet. They are to be tested. Although the basis is of course overclocking modules for outputting loads to the geostationary. Only bigger and more powerful. Modules ... Yes, in principle, they are, you can take the ISS modules as a basis. Although it is best to use them after the end of the ISS operation for their own orbital station


    Quote: Palch
    they will eat holy spirit .....

    Have the side rations been canceled? By personal order? The daily diet is 1, 6 kg of food per person and 2, 5 liters of water. There will be no problem with water. And 300 kg of food per person for half a year (190 daily flight) is not a god knows what the problem is.

    Quote: Gormengast
    And just recently there was a tender for 127 million rubles for "the calculation of interplanetary routes to Mars, the Moon and ... Jupiter"

    These millions are for the calculation! I just can’t imagine a more impudent and disgusting theft. And this despite the fact that nothing (except, perhaps, some pieces of the Phobos coffin) reached Mars. This is despite the fact that even the USSR did not fly to Jupiter!

    Are you surprised by the price? But after all, how many tens of thousands of hours of computer time and by no means a personal computer will be needed to calculate the routes. Hundreds if not thousands of options. But on the ship flying to Mars, only the final version of the trajectory will be transmitted to Jupiter, without a lot of calculations. I think that the price is quite adequate. After all, it will be necessary to take into account not only the ship, as the cosmic body, not only the gravitational effects of the planets, but also the trajectories of a giant number of asteroids and other space debris. And these are calculations with a hundred variables.

    Quote: Jurkovs
    less than 4 people, it means there will be just 4 people. And 4 people

    At least 4 people do not mean at all that under certain conditions there will be 6 people. Everything will depend on the mission. The same Americans in different versions can have, for example, 7 people and 300 kg of cargo, 3 people and 4 tons of cargo, or just 7 tons of cargo (without people). The same thing here. Minimum - 4 people. The maximum will be determined from the conditions of the missions.

    Quote: Jurkovs
    Even the ever-memorable Dawn, and then calculated on 6 people. The total mass of the lunar variant is about 17 tons and the use for launching a heavy Angara is expensive and redundant. Moreover, the diameter of the URM-1 is 3.6 meters, and the diameter of the ship is 4.5 meters, and the tip will be even larger. With such a knob a very ugly design will come out. For 57 billion rubles, Korolev would organize a manned flight to Mars.

    17 tons into a circumlunar orbit? and "Angara-5P" is redundant for this ??? Not enough, I'm afraid.
    URMs. You take the option that currently exists. Alas, this option seems to be stillborn. We'll either have to radically alter the Angara-5 for manned flights, or even replace it with a more powerful rocket. So far, we are not going to replace them, so they give TTZ, taking into account the characteristics of the "Angara-5P" (because there is no other carrier yet)
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 03: 51
      +1
      They answered everything on the case, with me a plus. But about the development of new strands and superheavy - a question. Isn't "Rus" being developed? 5th in development, no? And she can already throw something like that.
  18. Uryukc
    Uryukc 11 October 2016 22: 41
    +2
    Inok10,
    Quote: Inok10
    P.S. ... for such a "first comment" less than three years ago ... they immediately hung their skulls on shoulder straps and forward with a sausage along Malaya Spasskaya ...

    Why trifles, LET'S STRICTCHER - shoot at once))

    Quote: Inok10
    ... the question is, did a person read an article at all or did he flip diagonally? ... the answer in the article is black and white:

    I read the article - there are many letters, I did not fly into space, it is difficult to understand.
    I asked for support - my comrades helped,
    but illite Inok10 - negadue

    Quote: Inok10
    ... The rules of the VO resource must be thoroughly reviewed, opinions and outright flood are two different things ...

    Flood, this is your opinion about the rules.
    There was a question hidden in my comment, if you had read carefully, and not "diagonally", you would have seen it.
  19. Erg
    Erg 11 October 2016 23: 00
    +1
    I didn't get it - what's new? Enough to count us as idiots. If they want to make a cut, they would write so. Already tired of these "maneuvers". The people understand everything anyway. Against the background of this technical "breakthrough", we will again increase tariffs starting from the new year, and maybe even come up with several new taxes. All to Space !!! wassat
  20. Erg
    Erg 11 October 2016 23: 09
    0
    If at the official level we admit that Americans are still in 69, i.e. half a century ago, ahead of us "current" years so a hundred ... Maybe we ask the Yankees to share with us "experience"? Why develop something with which even 50 years ago there was nothing to even think about flights (and, moreover, landing) of a person on the moon. What do you say, colleagues? request
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 12 October 2016 04: 03
      +1
      And what, it’s true, in the skill of filming fiction, especially space, the Americans surpassed us, this cannot be taken away. And on the lunar program of Apollo 13 - questions ... to put it mildly - a lot. From carrier rocket statistics to space toilets.
      On the topic - was it then that the American landing module, like the whole apparatus, in principle, were composite? And what is the transition from the development and production of metal structures to composite - can you imagine ??? Only how much time does it take to develop and refine production technology. And if you add the extremely weighty and difficult to implement requirements for developers, it is not surprising that the implementation time is so long. Plus, the salaries of engineers for zealous ministry do not have it - either the old people are working at full strength (and they are dying out - this is a fact, there are fewer of them), or those who are working for an idea, and such a cat has cried now, because who (I exaggerate) from hunger die hunting? And especially for young specialists. Only in recent years, two things with salaries began to improve, and that - a little bit, and that - depends on the company.
  21. Larra anathema
    Larra anathema 11 October 2016 23: 10
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    Comments from goblins in this thread are annoying.
    Dear ones, you are not here, but in your favorite ukroschach.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 12 October 2016 02: 35
      +2
      Flies in the avatar are even more annoying, so what? laughing
  22. Old26
    Old26 12 October 2016 08: 47
    0
    Quote: CT-55_11-9009
    They answered everything on the case, with me a plus. But about the development of new strands and superheavy - a question. Isn't "Rus" being developed? 5th in development, no? And she can already throw something like that.

    Unfortunately, the topic "Rus-M" was closed by the head of Roscosmos Vladimir Popovkin at the end of 2011. By "pushing" the "Angara" he hacked to death a more promising project. As for the development of the heavy "Angara-5", yes, there are options, and as usual there are quite a few, but it is not known what will work and what will not.
    In the Angara-5P version (manned), it is capable of putting 20,8 tons into low-earth orbit, and 9,7 tons to the Moon. The more advanced "Angara-5V" with a hydrogen third stage is capable of putting 35 tons into orbit. But the question arises with the hydrogen engine. The manned "Angara-5P" for cosmonauts, let's say, is unsafe, compared to "Rus-M", less reliable
    1. Phoeniks
      Phoeniks 12 October 2016 18: 18
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      We will have two missiles, this "Angara" of all modifications from light to heavy, capable of withdrawing cargo weighing from 7 tons to 37 tons, and "Phoenix" about it, nothing is really known about it, only one thing is that it will be super heavy and will be able to withdraw cargo from 100 tons up to 150 tons. And the new ship "Federation", this manned ship, will be still a truck.
  23. Phoeniks
    Phoeniks 12 October 2016 18: 07
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    It's good!!!! huge plus !!!!
    Everything goes its own way! good