T-72 and T-90 will receive electronic stuffing from "Armata"

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MBT T-72 and T-90 will receive a target tracking machine (ASC) and a computing unit (WB) from tank "Armata", reported News.

T-72 and T-90 will receive electronic stuffing from "Armata"




“At present, the Ministry of Defense is planning several options for large-scale modernization of T-72 and T-90 tanks. The list of promising components that are planned for installation includes the target tracking machine and the computing unit of the Armata T-14 fire control system. After the tests of the Armata and its electronic systems have been completed, work is planned on installing the ASC and WB on older T-72 and T-90 models. We plan that with tests we will derive upgraded "seventy-second" and "ninetieth" with new systems within 2 – 3 years, ”a military source told the newspaper.

According to him, the work on installing new components is facilitated by the fact that on all three tanks there is a fire control system (FCS) “Kalina”, however, of different generations.

"On the" Armata "is the most modern version of the" Kalina ". On the T-72B3 and T-90 installed OMS previous generation. In particular, there is an ASC on T-72B3, but with limited capabilities compared to Armata, and there is no such thing on T-90. But the ideology and technical solutions of all SLA are largely identical, so technically rearranging the blocks from “Almaty” to T-72 and T-90 is not so difficult. The only difficulty is to rewrite the mathematical algorithms with which the ASC accompanies the goal, and the WB calculates corrections based on the data obtained. To do this, you need to conduct a large number of training firing, both in motion and from the spot. The information obtained will allow to clean the algorithm and make it workable, ”the source explained.

Military historian Alexey Khlopotov: “The main advantage of such complexes is the complete exclusion of the human factor from the process of guidance, which is especially important in the stressful conditions of a battle. Each shot on the target becomes absolutely accurate and much faster than manual guidance. It is enough for the operator to choose the target, and then the ASC and the WB will do everything for it in a matter of fractions of a second. After that, you just need to select another enemy tank and repeat the process. ”
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  1. +21
    10 October 2016 12: 22
    Everything ... T-72 will live for centuries .... I knew .... now they will say we brought the T-72 to the level of protection T-14 and there is no need to purchase Armat! (((As at one time, we brought the T-72B3 to the level of protection T-90, and there is no need to buy T-90.

    Here, remember my words, despite the fact that T-14 is a new platform, soon there will be clever people who will say that Armata is another good modernization of T-72. There is also the same calculator as on the T-72 !!! Think of a capsule and a split crew.
    1. 0
      10 October 2016 12: 25
      Armata will be brought to mind as much as Pak Fa.
      1. +4
        10 October 2016 12: 30
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Armata will be brought to mind as much as Pak Fa.


        And T-90 brought to mind? I am for the new tanks and weapons. And for a moderate upgrade (T-90 and the system from Almaty, this is normal ...). But T-72 and Armata ... are already too ... ((Let's install the Armat system on T-55. Why not? Cheap and angry! What is happening in the army? Yesterday, only the news was that the Su-30 CM was transmitted in aerobatic team, but why do not new aircraft go to the airborne units of the VKS!? We have already updated the fleet?
        1. +4
          10 October 2016 12: 47
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          But the T-72 and Armata ... are already too ... ((Let's install on the T-55

          yes, put on what you want, if the drives are allowed, it will only take a long and long time to correct the statistics because the characteristics of the chassis and drives are different
        2. +2
          10 October 2016 15: 32
          why didn’t you bring it? T-90MS.
          and by the way, the T-90 does not exist, what is called the T-90 is the T-72BU. it’s just that Boriske had to show the country what new types of equipment are doing with him, and therefore the T-72 was called the T-90 because of good modernization.
          1. 0
            10 October 2016 16: 08
            and how many T-90ms for service? While we see the miserable t-72bz unfortunately and talk about the next * modernization * and we need new cars. Modernization unfortunately always takes place under the slogan to buy the cheapest and at least. 2300 armatures we will not see by 2020. It was announced that it is better case by 2020 the order will be completed by 70% ... but depending on the situation; budget cuts, problems in the construction of the fleet / purchases of the BMP-1 airborne forces, these 70% are only on paper, but in fact the t-72bz ... and so in every branch of the military. The best so far are the air defense, and the air force at the expense of the su-34 / 35 ka-52 ...
            ps just do not need cheers of patriotism just look at the numbers and plans for change.
            1. +13
              10 October 2016 18: 03
              poor t-72bz ?????? I'm wallowing! maybe read to you at your leisure what a tank KUV is? read, read, it will be useful for you, then discuss
              In my opinion, SUGGEST THIS WHEN A NEGER IN A MANUFACTURER IN KAZENNIK, A MISSILE PUSHES HOW HOW IN THE FIRST WORLD AND THE TOWER NICE IS PUNCHING FROM KERNYAKA 12.7, AND THE TRUNK RUNTED AND THE WEIGHT FOR 60 TONS IS Doubtful
          2. 0
            10 October 2016 16: 23
            Quote: just explo
            by the way T-90 does not exist

            yeah, but there are Martians ...
        3. +3
          10 October 2016 16: 09
          What does it not supply ??? This is the third batch for the Knights ... and the "sailors" also received Millerovo (4 more are awaiting) ... The blast furnace has been completely re-equipped with SU-30SM ..
          Not so bad ... As usual, there will be a lot under the Christmas tree :))
        4. +6
          10 October 2016 18: 42
          Sorry, the heroes are the same pilots as the rest! I would even say that it is better than the rest, because on the basis of their actions and maneuvers, maneuvers are developed for the rest of the Air Force. As a result, they were generally the very first to receive the 30s as aces of the highest standard!
      2. +4
        10 October 2016 12: 36
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Armata will be brought to mind as much as Pak Fa.

        Armata is already in the troops, at the stage of military trials, and the PAK-FA has not left the LNII yet.
    2. +6
      10 October 2016 12: 28
      It's good that the previous generation tanks have a lot of modernization potential!
      And for export and service abroad - a fairy tale.
      And Armata will still be in demand. Both as a whole and individual technologies developed on it.
    3. +8
      10 October 2016 12: 34
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      That's all ... The T-72 will live for centuries .... I knew it .... now they say we have brought the T-72 to the T-14 protection level and there is no need to buy Armata!

      No matter how they would like to, but everything has a beginning and an end. Yes, the T-72 will serve our country more than once. Although I always believed that it was high time to carry out the modification of this machine AT THE MAXIMUM, that is, create a single tower and install it during the modernization on the T-72, and on the T-80, and on the T-90. Take the T-90MS tower as a sample. This way we will significantly reduce the costs of both training and supply.
      1. 0
        10 October 2016 12: 42
        It would not want to, but everything has a beginning and an end. Yes, T-72 will serve more than once in our country.


        Let what has been upgraded to the T-90 level serve. What's the point of bringing the T-72 to the level of the T-14 "armata" I don't see? The T-72 can also be "pulled up" to the level of the T-2000 from 2122 ... I see and feel the hand of the Minister of Finance Siluanov.

        T-72 - T-90 - T-14 Explain to me a bunch of T-72 and T-14 in generations?
        1. +2
          10 October 2016 12: 51
          If you do not see, then this is your and only your problem, professionals who deal with this issue do not eat their bread in vain.
          In general, play the World of Tanks ... or, in the upgrade version of Armata, everything will be better than writing here ...
        2. +14
          10 October 2016 12: 59
          Upgrades only ACS and WB. This does not make the T-72 equal to the Armata, but it increases the combat potential of the T-72 with minimal investment. I hope that new ammunition will be tightened up, we will generally live. What's wrong?

          Do you remember how our tanks were smeared at both tank biathlon, and the Chinese fell - are you comfortable with this state of affairs? Where does it say that new tanks will not be made? Why do you breed panic?
          1. +3
            10 October 2016 13: 02
            Quote: Uryukc
            Upgrades only ASC and WB. This does not make the T-72 equal to Armata, but it increases the combat potential of the T-72 with minimal investment. What is bad? Where does it say that new tanks will not be made? Why do you panic bred?


            Better to perebdet than naddodet !! wassat I'm temporarily instead of MIKHAN on the forum))) I'm kidding))
            1. +1
              10 October 2016 13: 07
              Oh, finally it began to reach you, what is the point of upgrades ..
          2. +2
            10 October 2016 13: 33
            Quote: Uryukc
            Do you remember how our tanks were smeared at both tank biathlon, and the Chinese fell

            And I thought - no one but me noticed =)) More thoughts - only I want to see the T-80 at the biathlon?
            1. 0
              10 October 2016 13: 41
              Quote: Airborne6
              Another reflection - only I want to see the T-80 at biathlon?

              No, not only you))
            2. +1
              10 October 2016 22: 08
              I want to see the T-80 at the biathlon?

              the 80's gas turbine engine life is low, in one lap it will gobble up, all the same, it is not necessary to throttle it childishly in biathlon, it is necessary to exhibit five or six pieces for the race, but if the T-80-TD. then, in principle, no differences from 72
        3. +1
          10 October 2016 13: 01
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          What's the point of bringing the T-72 to the level of the T-14 "armata" I don't see?

          But you will agree that "Armata" still has a stage of overcoming "childhood diseases" ahead. How long will it last? And we need to have modern combat vehicles; moreover, we need to offer something to the allies and for sale abroad. And if you remember how many T-72s we have ... then it's stupid to refuse them, but send them to scrap metal.
          1. +1
            10 October 2016 13: 09
            Quote: svp67
            But you will agree that "Armata" still has a stage of overcoming "childhood diseases" ahead.

            I agree. It's clear. But you will agree. That we never used the full potential in the T-90 tanks? And the question is why? And one more, why do we have so few of them? Answer: because we have a lot of T-72s and thanks to the modernization, they approached the basic indicators of the T-90, which was not particularly modernized, and was produced in small quantities. I am afraid of this, the repetition of the story with the mantras "the level of modernization has approached ..." It's like the AK-74m to the level of the AK-12, but things are still there. AK-12 is tested and tested ...
            1. +3
              10 October 2016 13: 16
              Nevsky_ZU
              I also doubt that 2000 armatures will be rolled out, but I really want to make mistakes. However, analysis without comparison is empty business. Our potential opponents have nothing to boast of.
              About the T-90, I think ours went the most expensive way - by creating a new tank, and not the development of the previous dynasty t-62 t-64 t-72 t90, created a completely new vehicle. This is the most uncompromising solution.
              The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has a budget and it is limited, you need to choose a new car or massive modernization. I think the right choice was made, in spite of Western trends.
        4. +1
          10 October 2016 13: 14
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          What's the point of bringing the T-72 to the level of the T-14 "armata" I don't see?

          The FCS from Armata is the FCS from Armata, not Armata, with the number of T-72s which we have and in the world why not significantly increase their characteristics
        5. 0
          10 October 2016 13: 14
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          T-72 - T-90 - T-14 Explain to me a bunch of T-72 and T-14 in generations?

          Something the question is not clear at all? And you know how the T-72 differs from the T-90 and how much is required to eliminate this difference ...
        6. +2
          10 October 2016 20: 32
          Nevsky_ZU The meaning is that these tanks are already in the troops in large numbers, and they do not need to be made from scratch, and through an inexpensive modernization, you can increase their combat potential! What should I throw them into a landfill? T 14 will not have many other tasks.
    4. +2
      10 October 2016 14: 53
      T72 b3 - will be the basis of our tank units for a long time. Armata - by arming elite units and units standing in the most dangerous areas. The tales of 2300 armatures by 2020 were originally fables. Here are 2300 t72b3 and a couple of hundreds of armatures by 2020, this is real.
    5. 0
      10 October 2016 15: 06
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Armata is the next, good modernization of the T-72.

      This is still tolerant, some Christy recall, but what? Caterpillars, hull, turret, cannon, machine gun! All!
      Does Armata have it all? There is! Then what are the questions?
      Absolutely everyone is clear from whom the Russians stole the tank!
      Seriously, about eighty silence, again a conversation in favor of the poor.
    6. 0
      10 October 2016 17: 11
      We will not remember.
    7. +1
      10 October 2016 22: 47
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Just remember my words, despite the fact that the T-14 is a new platform, soon there will be smart people who will say that Armata is the next, good modernization of the T-72.

      You are obviously not up to date. T-14 is already included in the state defense order. MO plans to purchase as many 2300 pieces. The first, ordered in quantities of 100 pieces, the T-14 batch is already entering the troops.
    8. 0
      11 October 2016 11: 39
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Everything ... T-72 will live for centuries .... I knew .... now they will say we brought the T-72 to the level of protection T-14 and there is no need to purchase Armat! (((As at one time, we brought the T-72B3 to the level of protection T-90, and there is no need to buy T-90.

      Here, remember my words, despite the fact that T-14 is a new platform, soon there will be clever people who will say that Armata is another good modernization of T-72. There is also the same calculator as on the T-72 !!! Think of a capsule and a split crew.

      a bit "turn on" your head and compare how much Armata costs and how many "72" ... and besides other things, these Armata need MASS (taking into account our vast territory) -and two hundred pieces of the weather will not do ... this is 400 fancy Merkavs for Israel - behind the eyes ... so the modernized T 72-t T90 is something that is needed in conjunction with a small amount of these same Armats
  2. 0
    10 October 2016 12: 22
    OBD T-72 and T-90 will receive a target tracking machine (ASTs) and a computing unit (VB) from the Armata tank,

    What is HBS? Basic Battle Dunk?
    1. +1
      10 October 2016 12: 31
      Quote: Fregate
      What is HBS? Basic Battle Dunk?

      Well, I think "ochepyatka", as the secretary heard and wrote, say thank you that it is not an OBS ...
  3. 0
    10 October 2016 12: 24
    Well, well, good luck. And the tankers will be happy too.
  4. +3
    10 October 2016 12: 29
    Quote: Fregate
    OBD T-72 and T-90 will receive a target tracking machine (ASTs) and a computing unit (VB) from the Armata tank,

    What is HBS? Basic Battle Dunk?

    In terms of 72ek - D - Dinosaur.
    1. +1
      10 October 2016 22: 04
      and the viewer is afraid of dinosaurs even in the movies, but how will it come out in reality, what will
      1. 0
        12 October 2016 15: 18
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        and the viewer is afraid of dinosaurs even in the movies, but how will it come out in reality, what will

        Yes, I remember in my distant childhood, I got to see a film, Japanese, so then, it was already scary to go to the toilet.
  5. win
    +8
    10 October 2016 12: 34
    And the American tank man charges.
    What stress he will have algorithm?
    1. 0
      10 October 2016 22: 11
      Yes, like a German tank. after loading until you take a seat in the chair and grab the handrails, there will be no shot
  6. +1
    10 October 2016 12: 34
    The T-72 is easier to write off with its shells crammed all over the Tower ...
    1. 0
      10 October 2016 13: 44
      And let's wait until the time when he will be replaced, but he will always have time to write off.
    2. +3
      10 October 2016 18: 14
      and in Abrams, Leopards, Challengers, etc., the turret niches have splinterproof armor of 20-30 mm, so the 12.7 pierces them, but they somehow don't write off anything, not a single Soviet tank from 12.7 mm died, and the Abrams died, so no need to hum the tales of the Vienna forest
    3. +2
      10 October 2016 19: 43
      It is easier to install a KAZ than to scold a good mass tank.
  7. 0
    10 October 2016 12: 35
    By the way, by the way, ASCs have been installed and working for quite some time.
  8. +2
    10 October 2016 12: 42
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Everything ... T-72 will live for centuries .... I knew .... now they will say we brought the T-72 to the level of protection T-14 and there is no need to purchase Armat! (((As at one time, we brought the T-72B3 to the level of protection T-90, and there is no need to buy T-90.


    Write nonsense. T-72 is full in the army, and Armat none. Now imagine how much time is necessary to release 2000 tanks Armata? Do you think they paid for them and they will all be in the Army at once? As if not so. On the release of all planned tanks will take ten years, or even more. And all this time, the tankers will ride the Soviet T-72, because why spend money on their modernization and keep them on alert, if a little bit and soon will be Armata tyschami!
    1. 0
      10 October 2016 12: 47
      Quote: Engineer
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Everything ... T-72 will live for centuries .... I knew .... now they will say we brought the T-72 to the level of protection T-14 and there is no need to purchase Armat! (((As at one time, we brought the T-72B3 to the level of protection T-90, and there is no need to buy T-90.


      Write nonsense. T-72 is full in the army, and Armat none. Now imagine how much time is necessary to release 2000 tanks Armata? Do you think they paid for them and they will all be in the Army at once? As if not so. On the release of all planned tanks will take ten years, or even more. And all this time, the tankers will ride the Soviet T-72, because why spend money on their modernization and keep them on alert, if a little bit and soon will be Armata tyschami!


      We have for this purpose T-90 in the number of 600 pieces. They are the penultimate in the generation.
    2. +1
      10 October 2016 13: 35
      Quote: Engineer
      Write nonsense. T-72 is full in the army, but not a single Armat.

      Engineer so, on military trials of 100 Armats, the Bunderswehr has only more than 200 tanks. In my opinion, it's not as bad as you think?
    3. +1
      10 October 2016 14: 16
      Only on the site there was an article about the development of the T-34 before the war ... they put them in the troops, the crews were taught almost on the BT-2 ... here, at least until the T-14 reaches the troops, the crews will be more or less trained on the analogue. ..
    4. +2
      10 October 2016 17: 51
      nonsense you write, and that's why, if necessary, the T-72 carousel can be filled with tank UR KUV "Reflex" or "Svir" or "Sheksna" and tode
      1. not a single armored vehicle will come closer than 4000 km, and in the case of the installation of the Armovka KUV "Invar" even in five km, and you can also "weigh" the helicopters,
      2. shooting is carried out even with a short stop, even with a move, 3. the throwing charge is weakened, the barrel does not pull, increasing its fatigue period, a little dust after the shot, besides a clear sight of the target, is also stealth,
      4.KUV does not require any adjustment of the gun, nor a laser rangefinder, nor a ballistic computer, nor an antenna of a pressure sensor for wind direction,
      5. shooting can be done from a crooked barrel in case this happened
      - AND NOW ANSWER, WHAT TANK OF THE WORLD IS SUCCESSFUL? and we have 72, and we have a lot, less PR about any natev's armored misunderstandings, see
  9. +6
    10 October 2016 12: 49
    It’s not worth whispering about modernization, you have to rejoice. Armata tank is cool and promising, but obviously has its own shoals, both technical and those related to cost. 2300 units (under successful circumstances) are good for the coming decades, but the entire park will not be replaced. And if there are comrades here who believe that we should have Armat packs all in all, I’ll upset them: as for armored vehicles, the Ministry of Defense has already laid down a concept in which a smaller number of T-14s will be like command tanks and target indicators for T-72 modifications and T-90 and other units. So any little modernization of the old people will be on hand. And the extreme complexes at the moment like Breakthrough-3 are very good. Drawing parallels, in comparison with the Armata, this is a kind of Su-35 against the background of the T-50. Reliable, efficient, mature and handsome in the end.
  10. +2
    10 October 2016 13: 13
    Urya! But maybe better tankers themselves get T-14? And not in 10 years? ..
    1. 0
      10 October 2016 13: 21
      Quote: erased
      Urya! But maybe better tankers themselves get T-14? And not in 10 years? ..


      Common comment !!! And here everyone is happy with the modernization of T-72 ... And only a few people read between letters - the sequester of the military budget.
      1. 0
        10 October 2016 13: 31
        Sequest - as if not a secret, see the news))
        The modernization of thousands of T-72s is good news anyway.
  11. +4
    10 October 2016 13: 20
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    now they will say we have brought the T-72 to the level of protection of the T-14 and there is no need to purchase the Armata! (((As in due time, we brought the T-72B3 to the T-90 protection level, and there is no need to buy the T-90.


    set aside panic. Those who want everything modern and immediately need to have their genie with a lamp.
    Any realist understands that while a new model of military equipment will completely replace the previous years will pass (testing, revision, modernization of an industry capable of mass production of a new model, etc.) + huge financial resources are needed for this.
    It turns out that all these years you need to sit and not increase the combat characteristics of old models?
    No need to mix everything in a heap since the T-90 is just a deep modernization of the T-72 and not a new model. When the T-90 was brought to mind and the ability to put into series both military and designers it became clear that the tank had become outdated during this time + the groundwork for real modernization, increasing its combat effectiveness at times, has been completely exhausted, while the production price of the new T-90 was several times higher than the modernization of the T-72 to the level of T-72B3, which is close in combat characteristics to the T-90.

    The installation of a more modern automatic targeting system and a modern ballistic computer will make the T-72B3 a dangerous enemy and will cost a penny + the export potential will increase.

    The problem with PAK-FA is that the designers did not really have time for the allies (manufacturers of new missiles, manufacturers of a new engine) + the capacities for serial production of the aircraft were not completed.
    1. +1
      10 October 2016 14: 12
      PAK FA generally has no problems as such (I'm not talking about the little things that are inherent in absolutely all devices at the development stage), it’s just that during the times of the USSR, every step was not taken to publicize ordinary people and report on the development process, which should last for many years and shifting the deadlines . And now just that, immediately screams and everything was gone.
  12. 0
    10 October 2016 18: 02
    Uryukc,
    I think this is possible (about the T-80), but only with private funding. Why not?! Do we have rich people in Russia who are "sick" with tanks !? I think the members of the forum can add according to their possibilities. Imagine: "a popular Russian site has put its tank at the start of TB 201 *! It is manned by the best crew of the" oldies "(I think we have SUCH professionals who are not in the army) and equipped with SUCH engine !!! (we have a lot of aircraft technicians ).
    This will be a precedent !!!
    I understand that this is a fantasy. Bit I'd like!
    BUT WHAT IF!....
    1. 0
      10 October 2016 20: 05
      Your words to Ernst (owner of 1 channel) in the ears))
  13. +2
    10 October 2016 18: 46
    I think the news is great. As I understand it, 2300 "Armat" are "tanks of the first line", and the T-72 and T-90 are modernized for less dangerous directions and as a mob reserve. In addition, the T-90 is still a very tough nut to crack for "partners".
  14. 0
    10 October 2016 20: 00
    They would not have been in the way of "active defense".
  15. 0
    10 October 2016 20: 00
    It is necessary to modernize tanks of the T-72 and T-90 families, equipping them with a new turret with a 2A82 gun, a new engine with a capacity of 1200-1300 hp, DZ "Malakhit" and KAZ "Afganit", as well as modern FCS and other systems. In terms of survivability, the upgraded vehicles will not be equal to the T-14, but they will be able to reach the same level with it in terms of combat effectiveness. Particularly important is the installation of a weapon of increased power and a new control system, as well as the installation of a new DZ.
  16. 0
    11 October 2016 09: 38
    How many bikes do not improve, the bike will remain. It is impossible to invent another bike. And the T-72 is great in tank building. So put on it a good electronics and really many years will last.
  17. 0
    11 October 2016 11: 44
    Quote: you Vlad
    Nevsky_ZU The meaning is that these tanks are already in the troops in large numbers, and they do not need to be made from scratch, and through an inexpensive modernization, you can increase their combat potential! What should I throw them into a landfill? T 14 will not have many other tasks.

    Yes, there are probably a lot of them and there won’t be (Armat) they are expensive, and training will probably require at the level of officers and not annual soldiers ... so modernization is the right thing
  18. +1
    11 October 2016 17: 55
    Quote: svp67
    everything has a beginning and an end

    The CIRCLE has no beginning or end, there is a beginning and no end for the BEAM ...
    1. 0
      12 October 2016 01: 22
      Quote: Ru72Ru
      Quote: svp67
      everything has a beginning and an end

      The CIRCLE has neither beginning nor end ...

      oh, yes, you are a geometer, but what about a dragon biting its own balls
  19. +1
    11 October 2016 18: 11
    Quote: Siegen
    And the American tank man charges.
    What stress he will have algorithm?

    And what will be the smell? ...

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