The media about the test in Syria, the Russian satellite-guided bombs

In 2015-2016 The Russian Aerospace Forces for the first time used in battle conditions the newest adjustable bombs with satellite-guided equipment, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

We are talking about high-explosive bombs KAB-500 used in Syria, which operate according to the “dropped-and-forgotten” principle and are capable of hitting targets in any weather and at any time of the day.

"In Syria, the KAB-500C was usually carried by Su-34 bombers, although it is possible to use this weapons and from Su-24M, Su-30CM, Su-35 and MiG-35 aircraft. Such bombs can be dropped both from high altitudes and above the battlefield at an altitude of 550 m. At the same time, the speed of the carrier can reach 1100 km / h, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

As representatives of the Ministry of Defense noted that “during combat use, the accuracy of targeting was significantly exceeded the previously stated characteristics”. According to them, deviations from the aiming point were no more than 5 meters.

Some sources also reported on testing in Syria of the newest bombs KAB-250С, created for the Russian advanced 5 generation aircraft. “The latest technologies are used in it and, accordingly, even greater accuracy characteristics have been achieved,” the author notes.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

With "gliding bombs" it is clear-done. But what about the loitering ammunition?

[cniza]

According to them, deviations from the aiming point were no more than 5 meters.

It’s the same as getting into a matchbox with such characteristics of a bomb.

[atalef]

Quote: cniza

According to them, deviations from the aiming point were no more than 5 meters.

It’s the same as getting into a matchbox with such characteristics of a bomb.

[Su24]

Quote: cniza

According to them, deviations from the aiming point were no more than 5 meters.

It’s the same as getting into a matchbox with such characteristics of a bomb.

Wow boxes)

[portyanka]

yeah ... everything is good about a matchbox, only the American missile defense is geared towards shooting down satellites.

[portyanka]

yeah ... everything is good about a matchbox, only the American missile defense is geared towards shooting down satellites.

[Tujh]

Quote: portyanka

yeah ... everything is good about a matchbox, only the American missile defense is geared towards shooting down satellites.

In fact, Russian satellites in the same way can bring down American satellites.

[svp67]

Quote: dmi.pris

But what about the barrage of ammunition?

Still galloping ...

[Rozmyssel]

The other day Konashenkov spoke out - "... Americans are welcome, our s300 / 400 are at your complete disposal, you still do not know all the surprises of our weapons."
So think about the real performance characteristics of missiles and bobm. In the traditions of our army, lower performance characteristics, but when they say about 5 meters, the radius of use of the KAB500 is already good, because 5 meters is already a bull's eye. What can I say? Death to our enemies.

[svp67]

A deviation of 5 meters for a 500 kilogram bomb .. yes, I will not envy the "addressees"

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: svp67

A deviation of 5 meters for a 500 kilogram bomb .. yes, I will not envy the "addressees"

Why envy them? They, I suppose, rejoice when they see what "wealth" falls to them

[jjj]

For the 500 kilogram bomb, the dangerous diameter of the affected area is 200 m

[AUL]

Of course, such a thing costs big money like a good SUV. And there are no goals truly worthy of such a bomb in Syria. But tests in real combat conditions are necessary.

[fzr1000]

She does not stand like a good SUV. She does not have an auxiliary engine. It's just a blank with rudders in the stabilizers. And what is the blurry photo for the article?

[dmi.pris1]

And the control system? Have you forgotten? After all, it’s also worth a lot of money. And about the photo .. They shot it in flight .. I'm joking.

[Tatar-in]

not much more expensive than an iPhone

[svp67]

Quote from AUL

And there are no goals truly worthy of such a bomb in Syria.

Yes there is. There were, in the form of command posts and points of storage of weapons and weapons.

[voyaka uh]

"" In the course of combat use, the accuracy of targeting significantly exceeded
previously stated specifications. ” According to them, deviations from the aiming point
were no more than 5 meters.

ABOUT! This is a good accuracy. So GLONASS is working.

And it was these funny stories about the miraculous sight of the FABs.

[sir_obs]

Glonas worked as far back as 1978, when I entered the naval school. It was only then called Sail (in the civilian version of the Cicada). There were fewer satellites and the opportunity to determine a place in the middle latitudes was provided approximately once every one and a half hours.

[portyanka]

GPS stupid Americans stole corny from the USSR, the American brain, poisoned by Coca-Cola, could not think of such a thing.

S.uku, who passed the development, put to the wall, but the point ...

[engineer74]

KAB-500 working on the principle of "dropped-forgot"

Do "cast iron" bombs behave differently? (except for "laser" ones) GLONASS works, you can see it on a bunch of smartphones with GLONASS. Only, EMNIP, this bomb costs 2 lam, once there was an article on this topic ...

[voyaka uh]

"Do" cast-iron "bombs behave differently?" ////

Cast iron: "dropped-forgot-missed",
but exact: "dropped-forgot-hit"

Just one word difference

[basmach]

But who told you about "dropped-forgot-missed". You have ever been to the training ground. The circle in which the P-50-75 had to be put was with a radius of 10 or 15m, this is another 90g, Su-17m4 aircraft (and before that m2). And they put it down, and my squadron managed to bomb through the LDPE. And in the PrNK-54 there was a "navigation bombing" mode for working out on target coordinates

[ancient]

Quote: basmach

But who told you about "dropped-forgot-missed". You have ever been to the training ground. The circle in which the P-50-75 had to be placed was with a radius of 10 or 15m, this is another 90g, Su-17m4 aircraft (and before that m2)

Oh ... how much I "love" .. "urya-patriots" , well ...... "ice"

That would not write a lot of "bookFF" ...... and tell, but I ...... just an extract from the .. "document"

ORDER (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) of October 25, 2001 N 431

ON THE APPROVAL OF THE FEDERAL AIRCRAFT REGULATIONS FOR THE ORGANIZATION OF THE POLIGON SERVICE IN STATE AVIATION

Targets for bombing and launching missiles
(bomber targets)

Visual targets:
-101 Circle with a diameter of 100 m with a cross, daytime.

- A circle with a diameter of 200 m with a cross, daytime.

-103 Circle with a diameter of 100 m with a cross, night.

-103n Circle with a diameter of 100 m with a cross, night for
work with a dive.

-103 in a square with a side of 20 m and two in the center
fire with a distance between them of 2 m for
bombing and helicopter firing at
twilight and night.

-104 Circle with a diameter of 200 m with a cross, night

The second .... "komeska" ... is written with "E", ie. "KOMESKA", they NEVER took aim at the PVD ... either at the "risks" on the flashlight (method - "aiming at the hood"), or at the "reticle" with the setting angle !!!

When you "climb" and "read" somewhere, then look carefully .. ROUND PURPOSES with a diameter of 10 and 15 meters were for ... the aircraft of the PISTON AVIATION OF THE RKKA Air Force from 1930 to the very Second World War

[CooL_SnipeR]

Compare the speed of the piston and the jet - the ratio is equal to the horizontal CVO ... in the second it is an accuracy of 1 meter roughly

[ssergn]

Quote: voyaka uh

Just one word difference

And tueva a bunch of money

[svp67]

Quote: voyaka uh

And it was these funny stories about the miraculous sight of the FABs.

He laughs well who laughs without consequences ...

[voyaka uh]

The consequences of 15 dropping a pack of FABs are very difficult.
But one or two of them will fall into the designated goal - with any aim.
The rest will hit everyone around for several hundred meters.
So the Americans did 15 years ago.
To reduce the damage from "all around" they came up with accurate bombs.
It turned out that they are paying for themselves.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: voyaka uh

It turned out that they are paying for themselves.

Interest on the account balance, cashback, or all together?

[Professor]

Quote: voyaka uh

The consequences of 15 dropping a pack of FABs are very difficult.
But one or two of them will fall into the designated goal - with any aim.

This is if you're lucky. And it happens that everything is past.

[ancient]

Quote: professor

And it happens that everything is past.

Oleg .. well, not all the same .. "past the snout" ... something and ... fell At least the runway is out of order (300 meters "bit off", and there are a couple of holes in the center), you can only take off on the "ground",), you can't take off with the MRD ... the same picture.
But honestly ... the goal must be repulsed by the navigator YES (To set the task to destroy the air base with approach to the runway at an angle of almost 50 degrees ) this is how much you had to .. "drink"
A .. understood .. this is when the KSBU passed ... "operator by mistake" 0-face added
Well, then .. there is an order, the BZ is delivered .. must be carried out

Take it yourself and .. "turn" the chain of breaks with an approach of 5 degrees more than the value of the landing course what happens .. right ... PICTURE OIL

[atalef]

Quote: voyaka uh

ABOUT! This is a good accuracy. So GLONASS is working.

But what is the accuracy of GLONASS?

[insular]

Quote: atalef

But what is the accuracy of GLONASS?

Or maybe the keys to the apartment where the money is?

[Black Colonel]

So then to simple cast irons

[ImPerts]

Quote: tag

Any weapon is first tested at the training grounds, and then used in war. Raw weapons lead to unjustified losses among the civilian population.

One gets the impression that you are a designer and you do not like that the raw product began to be used in combat conditions.

[Muvka]

And where is it written that the product is raw?

[ImPerts]

Nowhere but ...

Quote: tag

Any weapon is first tested at the training grounds, and then used in war. Raw weapons lead to unjustified losses among the civilian population.

[Muvka]

Those. if I write that Obama walks in a thong, will you believe me?

[ImPerts]

Write. I will ask you about the rest of the wardrobe details.
Read the thread from the start. This is useful and makes it possible not to make hasty conclusions)))
On this I bow.

[sandrmur76]

Quote: Muvka

Those. if I write that Obama walks in a thong, will you believe me?

What is Obama walking around? I believe it.

[rotmistr60]

significantly surpassed previously declared characteristics

The Kulibins have not yet transferred in Russia, and they will not be transferred. As if some did not shout that all the bright minds had gone (fled) abroad.

[rotmistr60]

Yes, it is clear that on occasion it is possible to be wise with numbers. But below the characteristics declared by the customer you will not adjust. And the claimed characteristics are high.

[Vladimir61]

Given the development of global processes, it is now important for us to translate quality into quantity!

[Semen Semenovich Gorbunkov]

and where to get the bubble? Even Americans don’t throw their needles with expensive bombs, although they print money, what can we say about us. about)

[Semen Semenovich Gorbunkov]

But does it make sense more accurate than a deviation of not more than 5 meters?

[voyaka uh]

Sure. If you want to bang the underground bunker,
then accuracy of + - 5 m is not enough.
Mount in addition to satellite positioning also
GOS. But it is even more expensive.

[sq]

Of course it does, even for large calibers. Although there immediately comes out the need for precise aiming.

[orado]

Very beautiful product. It is written that beauty lovers were already in Syria

[Rurikovich]

Guys and girls! Smart and guided weapons - the notion of the West. Mostly the military, who like to cut budgets On the fingers - sights that allow cast iron to be dropped on military targets are much less sophisticated bombs. Syria has proven this. And now to the point. There are important and not very important goals, maneuverable and stationary, large in area and small, protected and not very ... Those that are of interest at the moment in Syria are destroyed by the exact hit in them of ordinary cast iron, dumped from great heights. Camps, concentration of forces, transshipment bases, etc. If the target requires getting into the window, then for such tselets there are guided cruise missiles. The only thing that requires adjustable bombs is the conduct of hostilities in the city, when you need to get into a separate building. But here, too, I personally have a question - for destruction in urban conditions it is much more preferable to have means that are adjusted directly from the line of contact. and the use of adjustable satellite bombs in urban areas is very fraught with the inevitable victims of the civilian population (Yugoslavia on the 99th proved this). So again, my personal opinion is that if the price of three to five pig-iron is much lower than the price of one guided bomb to destroy the same object, then all this fuss with adjustable bombs with satellite guidance is not worth it.
Means of destruction are selected on the basis of the tactical situation and if there is an opportunity to destroy the target in a cheaper way (the economy is not rubber), then you need to use just such a weapon. And the various bells and whistles on conventional bombs are nothing more than cutting some money. I don’t deny that there are separate targets that require an accurate hit with a powerful supply (buried bunkers, buried command posts ... There, yes, you can use special weapons. But this does not mean that in today's wars such targets at every step are quite common, which requires transition exclusively to such special ammunition Generally, most targets are destroyed by conventional bombs dropped from ordinary bombers with good sights.
This is, of course, my personal opinion. Such topics are generally specific and there are a lot of nuances, therefore there will be many both opponents of such weapons and fans. Everything is relative. But only the criterion in today's wars "cost-efficiency" remains important

[voyaka uh]

"Guys and girls! Smart and controlled weapons are a Western invention" ///

Guys and girls! not only smart and controllable weapons - a notion of the West,
but also hostile and alien to Russia electronics, genetics, cybernetics .
This was proved by Comrade Stalin.
And the list goes on.

[Parsec]

"In 1948, Academician Lavrentyev, director of the Institute of Mathematics and vice-president of the USSR Academy of Sciences wrote a letter to Stalin about the need to accelerate research in the field of computing technology and the prospects for using computers. On June 29, 1948, the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR I.V. Stalin signed a decree on in accordance with which the Institute of Precision Mechanics and Computer Engineering was established. "

"In February 1964, Wiener was interviewed by US News & World Report:
Question. Did you find during your last trip to Russia that the Soviets attach great importance to a computer?
Answer. I will tell you how big. They have an institute in Moscow. They have an institute in Kiev. They have an institute in Leningrad. They have an institute in Yerevan, in Armenia, in Tbilisi, in Samarkand, in Tashkent and Novosibirsk. They may have other Question. Do they use this area of ​​science fully when compared with us?
Answer. The general opinion - and it comes from the most diverse people - is such that they lag behind us in the apparatus: not hopeless, but a little. They are ahead of us in the development of automation theory ... "

And you stink like a knower. Dust off the brains, ex. compatriot.

[voyaka uh]

Cybernetics even gave birth to a stable expression in Russia that entered
in all dictionaries of the Russian language: "the corrupt girl of imperialism."
Type any search.
By the way, I don’t know why you chose nickname: Peach, written in Latin letters.
After all, peaches smell very nice.

[ImPerts]

1) Not cybernetics, but genetics;
2) A sales girl was invented by Khazin, who worked in the Raikin Theater (it seems in the 1964 year).

[fzr1000]

"it was all invented by Churchill in the eighteenth year"

[Professor]

According to them, deviations from the aiming point were no more than 5 meters.

But what about the lack of taxes in the world of Hephaestus? He allows you to put any cast iron on the target with the same accuracy?

[demiurg]

Hephaestus has a CWO more. Like 20-25 meters. That is the accuracy of a very good pilot. The question is different, resetting and maneuvering before resetting is automatic.
My sofa opinion is quite sufficient.

[Professor]

Quote: demiurg

Hephaestus has a CWO more. Like 20-25 meters.

It is reported that the car was equipped with a specialized computing subsystem SVP-24-33 "Hephaestus", which will bring the accuracy of conventional bombs falling to precision weapon level.
Deck Flankers receive Hephaestus: the first steps in the modernization of the 279th OKIAP. Are there enough measures?
Author: Evgeny Damantsev

Especially when you consider the work of "Hephaestus", which allows you to lay high-explosive and concrete-piercing monsters with precision, not inferior to adjustable bombs.
Are Tu-22M flights to Syria so expensive?
Author: Roman Skomorokhov

SVP-24 calculates the parameters (speed, altitude, course) at which the "stupid" bomb should be automatically dropped exactly at the moment when its uncontrolled flight will lead it exactly to the target (within 3-5 meters)
The Saker: Technology Summary - How Russian Engineering Thought Operation in Syria Possible
Posted by: The Saker (Saker Saker)

Quote: Bograntz

And what is the problem? In doubt about its existence? It may start with what appeared earlier: adjustable bombs or a modern sight.

Doubts about the declared characteristics of a non-taxing complex.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: professor

Doubts about the declared characteristics of a non-taxing complex.

It is a pity that there is no one to ask ....

[Parsec]

Acuity repeated repeatedly dulls ..

Your "no analogue in the world" as a reprise of a bad clown - irritation and some sympathy for the clumsy, grimacing awkwardly in public.

[ancient]

Quote: demiurg

Hephaestus has a CWO more. Like 20-25 meters. That is the accuracy of a very good pilot. The question is different, resetting and maneuvering before resetting is automatic.
My sofa opinion is quite sufficient.

The opinion is almost correct ..... 10-15 meters, but ... everyone misses something - ... "at B / m from a height of 500 meters or less"
Wake up surprised, but when performing combat use (on .. not "hot" machines) in modes using PrNK or PNS ...... RESET ALWAYS on .. AUTOMATIC " (the current and calculated longitudinal ratios are compared ... such a yellow bar on the left and such a bar on the right on the PPV) ... agreed .. "together" .. here you are .. "reset" (with the BC pressed) of course
In the photo, here is the moment of reset

[Bogranz]

And what is the problem? In doubt about its existence? It may start with what appeared earlier: adjustable bombs or a modern sight.

[Denimax]

Anyway, you cannot drop a freely falling bomb with the same accuracy as a controlled one. Of course, you can calculate everything, altitude, speed, and such a blanket will not blow the wind very much when it falls. But the error in the uncoupling of the bomber in a split second will already give a spread. On the video you can see how they fall near the buildings, big explosions but to the point .... Although if the managed hit the center of the building, there would be enough bombs weighing 50 or 100 kg.

[ancient]

Quote: Denimax

Anyway, you cannot drop a freely falling bomb with the same accuracy as a controlled one. Of course, you can calculate everything, altitude, speed, and such a blanket will not blow the wind very much when it falls. But the error in the uncoupling of the bomber in a split second will already give a spread. On the video you can see how they fall near the buildings, big explosions but to the point .... Although if the managed hit the center of the building, there would be enough bombs weighing 50 or 100 kg.

1. I absolutely agree with the first sentence.
2. With the second, no .. how do you level the errors (technical) .. "information sensors" -DISS, RV, KUS.
3. The intermediate wind blows away the "blank" even as
4. There are no delays in the reset circuit!

[Denimax]

If you are a former or military pilot, I will not argue. I can say I learned something new. I think if the bomb blows off, then this error is not significant (the windage is small, the mass is large, the fall speed is decent).
Here, accuracy probably depends on the on-board sensors. Unfortunately, you can’t determine what kind of deviations were there, either lateral or at the heading. All the videos were taken from drones.

[Zaurbek]

Well, we know that systems like Hephaestus, the higher the target, the more they mow ...

[atalef]

We are talking about high-explosive bombs KAB-500 used in Syria, which operate according to the “dropped-and-forgotten” principle and are capable of hitting targets in any weather and at any time of the day.

so if you were always - --- dropped - forgot.

[Black Colonel]

Duc SABy, too, like "dropped and forgot".

[ancient]

Quote: Black Colonel

Duc SABy, too, like "dropped and forgot".

LIKE THIS !!!
That's just .. if for air gunners it is necessary to "hang" them in the zone, otherwise .. they will not find it ... but on the ground when .. there in general .... you need exactly and in place, what would .. " illuminated "..where needed (oh" babai in 95 and 96 years old ... loved them very much) ..... it's dark everywhere, and they have .. in the mountains ... like during the day

[Ivan Ivanov]

Just like the type of robbed Ukraine? Tell us more

[demiurg]

Quote: professor

Doubts about the declared characteristics of a non-taxing complex.

Does Hephaestus have direct analogues?

How many videos on Syria I have not watched, I have never seen a stormtrooper throwing 12-15 bombs at once.
Two or four, and apparently got somewhere. For some reason, the Syrian army began to advance. This is clearly not from area bombing.

Hephaestus is enough for a big war.
Of course, I respect you (except for jokes), but I trust our military more.

[Monarchist]

In vain: Professor is a big specialist in Russian weapons. He must have doubts, and there is no doubt about Western weapons.
Perhaps because weapons are used against barmaley? Probably it is necessary to disarm or to request an Israeli resolution for each type of weapon

[Professor]

Quote: demiurg

Does Hephaestus have direct analogues?

It's like with the elusive Gonzales. He is elusive because no one catches him. They are primitive bourgeois, do not go against the laws of physics.

Quote: demiurg

How many videos on Syria I have not watched, I have never seen a stormtrooper throwing 12-15 bombs at once.

In general, I didn’t see the attack aircraft there:

Quote: demiurg

Two or four, and apparently got somewhere. For some reason, the Syrian army began to advance. This is clearly not from area bombing.

Judging by the Syrian media, and by reports of Elena Thundering, the Assad army has been advancing since 2012, winning victory after victory. By the way, all sorts of international human rights organizations claim that thousands of civilians (about 10) died under Russian bombs. Your Defense Ministry claims 000 dead militants and not a single civilian. World history does not know such a performance. This is the Nobel Peace Prize for Putin and Shoigu.

Quote: demiurg

Of course, I respect you (except for jokes), but I trust our military more.

Do not trust anyone. Especially for those who have been repeatedly caught in a lie.

[nadezhiva]

Weight,
And in 3-4 %% really, Russia and the Russians are to blame?

[Varaga]

Good accuracy for bad people. Exactly what is needed.

[Firstvanguard]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Yes, and normal adequate men on the site have been reduced lately, but all kinds of inadequacies have been added more and exponentially.

A consequence of the new resource policy, now all kinds of trolls plus each other and rating in the circle. It’s convenient because no one will deliver a minus.

[Mikhail Anokhin]

Accuracy is good for gravitational bombs, and for high-explosive accuracy is optional.
Even less, it is required for bombs with a thermobaric charge.

[Monarchist]

mav1971,
Are you a psychiatrist? We will know.

[kolobok63]

Guys, Hurray !!! More goods are good and necessary!

[colonel manuch]

More good and different products!

[Former battalion commander]

I want to say about the cost of such ammunition. The control system on such bombs is not expensive. Its composition: a processor, a position sensor in space (GLONAS / GPS or a CCD matrix), a battery, a pair of electric motors, plus mobile plumage. ALL! There, even gyroscopes and accelerometers are NOT MANDATORY to use (although even they cost 2-4 bucks per set). So, such ammunition is very promising for the mass production and high development of the economy of the country using them. The current prices for such ammunition are determined by the manufacturer’s desire to recoup past costs and invest in expanding and improving the product (I do not mention the corruption component because of the OBVIOUSNESS of its presence in any capitalist production system).