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Rosgvardiyu arm Tula pistols-machine guns

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For Rosguards, ultra-light submachine guns PP 2000, which have already been adopted by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Bailiff Service, will be purchased, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta With reference to the director of the Tula TsKIB SOO, Aleksey Sorokin’s branch of the Instrument Design Bureau Bureau.




According to him, “PP 2000 is small and light (its dimensions: 350x46x190 mm, weight 1,4 kg), made with a minimum number of parts in a simple design, while it is stable - almost no recoil with automatic shooting.”

Thus, “with a mass and dimensions comparable to the similar parameters of a modern military pistol, the PP-2000 allows effective fire at a distance of up to 200 meters, and thanks to a pistol cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet (caliber 9 mm) it can penetrate body armor and light obstacles”, added director.

A small bounce allows you to use weapon in enclosed spaces. There is also accuracy and accuracy of firing PP.

“You can shoot from it with one hand, you can use it as a second weapon, it easily hides under clothes. Spetsnaz uses it for “shield” - one arm is occupied by a fighter carrying a shield, so he needs light weapons with a large number of rounds, ”Sorokin explained.

In addition to the store with 20 cartridges, the 2000 PP has a magazine on the 44 cartridge.

Today, according to the director, Rosgvardiya is the main buyer of the submachine gun. The military does not have such weapons.
Photos used:
Sergey Pyatakov / RIA News
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  1. Danil Laryon
    Danil Laryon 9 October 2016 11: 51
    +6
    Well, here's the 2000 software come in handy. good
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 9 October 2016 12: 04
      +15
      Here is a real set .... And most importantly, operational work!
      It’s better here without weapons at all ...
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 9 October 2016 12: 32
        +27
        Great pp. In non-departmental protection since 2009 (now, respectively, in the Russian Guard). I'm from PP 2000 ...
        1. KCA
          KCA 9 October 2016 19: 46
          +3
          And the comrade, also in the general military police, is very dissatisfied, there’s nowhere to shoot from him except for the shooting range, only an unwise person in the city will shoot with PP, but the AKSU thing is strong and weighty, soothes from one blow to any part of the body
        2. 13 warrior
          13 warrior 10 October 2016 11: 00
          0
          Do not tell me, how convenient is the pp-2000 for long-armed?
      2. Stas Snezhin
        Stas Snezhin 9 October 2016 16: 40
        +8
        OLD FART, "And most importantly, operational work!"
        You sir, didn’t mess up anything by chance?
        Loud slogans and pictures - it’s certainly spectacular,
        but "Rosgvardia" and "operational work" ..
    2. The brightest
      The brightest 9 October 2016 12: 33
      +10
      Federal Bailiff Service
      And why the gun for the bailiffs of the court? That people have already begun to shoot back from sovinators-116 and PMa is not enough?
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 9 October 2016 13: 26
        +2
        Quote: Lightest
        Federal Bailiff Service
        And why the gun for the bailiffs of the court? That people have already begun to shoot back from sovinators-116 and PMa is not enough?

        I remember I worked as a loan inspector ... I took Fedyu a collector (two meters long, bronik and a corresponding person) It was very nice to talk with customers ... All the polite ones were immediately ...! wassat
      2. Homo
        Homo 9 October 2016 14: 20
        +2
        Quote: Lightest
        And why the gun for the bailiffs of the court? That people have already begun to shoot back from sovinators-116 and PMa is not enough?

        So not only "dandelion grandmothers" are debtors. Some also shoot back from the bailiffs. And what have the "juinals" to do with it? First - SEЕclerks, secondly they work with children, thirdly they are not there yet!
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 9 October 2016 17: 37
          +7
          Guardianship authorities are already seizing children from Russian families with or without, I dare to assume that a machine gun will not help them soon.

          And with inadequate debtors, the policemen and the court should talk, and not the "judicial collector" with PP2000.
        2. The brightest
          The brightest 9 October 2016 18: 27
          +2
          firstly, secondly and even thirdly. Children are taken by court order - that is, bailiffs.
          And with those who shoot back, the police are already talking. Among other things, bailiffs always accompanies the district police officer. And what’s that, right - time sheet PM.
          Quote: Homo
          they are not there yet!

          They don’t have any business, and the children are already being taken. By God they shot the whole shobla.
          arks.org.ru/index.php/yuvenalnye-technologii/iz-y
          atie-detej-iz-semi / 270-v-novorossijske-pogib-iz-y
          atyj-iz-semi-grudnoj-child
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 9 October 2016 18: 56
            +6
            Firstly, there are already a lot of cases when the guardianship authorities act AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION. Even in stupid talk shows on the first channels of history, these climbed out. And what is happening in the regions where journalists are not interested in traveling, only Yahweh knows. In Russia, in the field, each chief official feels himself to be a king-god-arbiter of fate. And there is no government for them, because everyone is tied to each other with corruption and ties: governors, mayors, big business bandits, heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the prosecutor’s office and departments of the FSB are all muddying business with their friends for the money of the people.
            Now let the district police officer accompany the police officer further. And he does not need PP2000, as some visitors to this site frantically want.
            1. Drzed
              Drzed 10 October 2016 04: 04
              0
              do not mention the name of the Lord in the bustle
        3. cast iron
          cast iron 9 October 2016 19: 01
          +11
          In your opinion, there are still no juveniles, but children are already being removed from Russian families in batches without trial. This is a breakthrough! Vote for United Russia, comrades! The funny thing is that this shobla does not even drive up to the Asians and Caucasians. He is afraid that they will all be slaughtered for seizure. And only Russians dutifully endure ... It seems that the government has the task of replacing the Russian population with Asians and Caucasians.
          1. ratfly
            ratfly 9 October 2016 22: 14
            +2
            Oh, it’s clear what Temko you paid! In other forum threads, too, take them away?
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 10 October 2016 02: 34
              +1
              paid you.
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 10 October 2016 02: 34
            0
            You correctly noticed this at the expense of substitution ...
          3. Donhapa
            Donhapa 10 October 2016 04: 45
            +1
            Quote: cast iron
            In your opinion, there are still no juveniles, but children are already being removed from Russian families in batches without trial. This is a breakthrough! Vote for United Russia, comrades! The funny thing is that this shobla does not even drive up to the Asians and Caucasians. He is afraid that they will all be slaughtered for seizure. And only Russians dutifully endure ... It seems that the government has the task of replacing the Russian population with Asians and Caucasians.


            They successfully replace him ...
        4. although
          although 10 October 2016 09: 39
          0
          They will appear, they will shoot back! and right!
      3. Koshak
        Koshak 9 October 2016 21: 09
        0
        Quote: Lightest
        And why the gun for the bailiffs of the court?

        Well, then, why do the traffic cops also need automatic machines?
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 10 October 2016 03: 12
          0
          what if you don’t want to give him money? belay

          experience of "communication" with those and others?
    3. warriordima
      warriordima 10 October 2016 02: 10
      0
      A small aviation gun.)) It's good that they remembered about him.
  2. fzr1000
    fzr1000 9 October 2016 11: 54
    +6
    And the military is unnecessarily.
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 9 October 2016 12: 03
      +6
      Unnecessarily, unnecessarily .... Police weapons, they are police weapons ...
      1. avt
        avt 9 October 2016 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: moskowit
        Police weapons, they are police ...

        Yeah! It was already .... under Marshal Misha.
        Quote: moskowit
        Unnecessarily, unnecessarily ....

        Yes, all the shooting without the need - the army has nuclear weapons. wassat
        1. moskowit
          moskowit 9 October 2016 15: 24
          +4
          You, dear, apparently mean Marshal MN Tukhachevsky? Apparently, you and Misha were "on a short leg". How then did Comrade Yezhov not notice you? Have you written your memoirs by chance? "Me and my friend Minya ..."
    2. avt
      avt 9 October 2016 12: 03
      +5
      Quote: fzr1000
      And the military is unnecessarily.

      It’s better for anyone like a sniper, and maybe a Marxman like the second instead of a pistol - everything is better than PYa and even Stechkin. Especially if the main trunk is something like CORD.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 9 October 2016 12: 23
        +4
        About tankers and pilots with snipers did not think.
        1. The brightest
          The brightest 9 October 2016 12: 40
          +3
          Quote: fzr1000
          tankmen and pilots with snipers

          Absolutely.
        2. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 9 October 2016 13: 48
          +8
          Quote: fzr1000
          About tankers and pilots with snipers did not think.

          For them, the very thing ...
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 9 October 2016 12: 26
        +4
        An army with a 9 mm cartridge cannot be determined. And with a gun too.
        Now they are talking about weapons based on 9x21.
        If Makarov is replaced with his 9x18 cartridge, then it will be clear what kind of army PP is needed.
        IMHO type MP-5 and with 9x21.
        1. avt
          avt 9 October 2016 14: 10
          0
          Quote: Alex777
          An army with a 9 mm cartridge cannot be determined.

          Well, something like that- uncle-a-ah-.a .... as well as
          Quote: Alex777
          with a gun too.
          Although for the good, well, in the presence of stocks of different-caliber pistol cartridges, the best option is Stechkin's Berdysh with a set of interchangeable barrels.
          Quote: Alex777
          IMHO type MP-5 and with 9x21.

          laughing They missed the hike in life quite for themselves under this patron the developed system "Gyurza" - "Veresk" but somehow, with all the nishtyaks, the specialists preferred to walk in formation along Red Square, in particular, with "Val" - .. Vintorez "under 9x39 request That’s how they answered you IMHO laughing In principle, it is understandable - without bothering, they received a specialized weapon that is not inferior, but at short distances and superior in efficiency to a Kalash. 9x21, of course, a weight cartridge and a barrel for it, respectively, serious. However, this is how heavy the second campaign is. But if they align qualitatively, Gyurzu "in the Boa constrictor" .... well, maybe .... maybe .....
        2. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 9 October 2016 14: 13
          +6
          Quote: Alex777
          If Makarov is replaced with his 9x18 cartridge, then it will be clear what kind of army PP is needed.
          IMHO type MP-5 and with 9x21.

          Why MR-5? "Heather" 9x21 ...
          SP10 (with a bullet with a special steel core of increased armor penetration),
          SP11 (with a low-reso lead bullet with a lead core),
          SP12 (with an expansive bullet of increased stopping power),
          SP13 (with tracer bullet).
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 9 October 2016 14: 19
            0
            Those who used Heather did not praise the workmanship ...
            1. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 9 October 2016 14: 49
              +1
              For them there is "Vityaz-SN" ... 9x18.
        3. mr.redpartizan
          mr.redpartizan 9 October 2016 15: 33
          +1
          Cartridges of 9x19 mm and 9x21 mm are approximately equivalent, but I am more inclined to 9x21 mm. A cartridge with a longer sleeve has greater potential for modernization.
      3. Max T.
        Max T. 9 October 2016 12: 41
        +10
        Sniper APS is still better. The layout and shape of the PP-2000 is a bit uncomfortable for carrying with a second weapon. In addition, he comes with a flashlight in the kit. The friend does not have him in the photo, but he should be under his left hand. Entirely small. With PP-2000 it is necessary to work with the LCC or with the collimator (this is all put on the bar above). This software is a good option for a scaffold and a high-rise worker. This was convinced in practice. In general, a short battle is a very convenient weapon.
      4. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 9 October 2016 13: 25
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Who, like a sniper, maybe Marxman, like the second, would not hurt instead of a gun

        That's right ...
      5. poquello
        poquello 9 October 2016 20: 23
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Quote: fzr1000
        And the military is unnecessarily.

        It’s better for anyone like a sniper, and maybe a Marxman like the second instead of a pistol - everything is better than PYa and even Stechkin. Especially if the main trunk is something like CORD.

        Duc if tovarisch said that "police" means police))))
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 9 October 2016 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: fzr1000
      And the military is unnecessarily.

      Naturally unnecessary. Only for special operations of front-line intelligence. Although to some extent this weapon can serve both tankers and paratroopers. In any case, there will be no mass production of these weapons. despite its simplicity and manufacturability.
      1. Genry
        Genry 9 October 2016 13: 34
        +5
        Quote: Proxima
        this weapon can serve both tankers and paratroopers

        You confused the paratroopers with saboteurs. Paratroopers fight against combat units, and saboteurs against the rear. It will be good for paratroopers and tankers, with the PP-2000, to fight against a fighter armed with an assault machine gun and in body armor above class 2.
        At the front - only front-line weapons.
      2. Cat
        Cat 9 October 2016 13: 44
        +1
        Quote: Proxima
        Quote: fzr1000
        And the military is unnecessarily.

        Naturally unnecessary. Only for special operations of front-line intelligence. Although to some extent this weapon can serve both tankers and paratroopers.

        For special operations, front-line reconnaissance should be compact, with an integrated silencer and chambered for a battle distance of at least 250m. Currently, the army has a screw cutter and a shaft under a 9mm subsonic cartridge. The only receiver on them is to do more thoroughly.
        For the landing party, the PP-2000 is frankly weak. The Airborne Forces should be armed with a standard RA cartridge, but with a more compact weapon, I don’t know what came of the AK-12. The Ak-74S with the stock folded is a bit bulky, but more comfortable than the AKMS. There is a variant of the OTs "Groza" designed according to the bull-up scheme, but besides the compactness, the impressions from it are average.
        From the PP, I was impressed only by the "Bizon" under the ptron 9x21, but for the crews of planes and helicopters it is bulky. And for the submarine crews of armored vehicles, the 9 × 18 and 9 × 19 cartridges are frankly weak.
        The conclusion makes sense, switch the RA to a personal weapon of caliber 9 × 21, since it is good. Or the crews of equipment are content with the AKS-74U.
      3. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 9 October 2016 15: 15
        0
        Quote: Genry
        You confused the paratroopers with saboteurs.

        Apparently, the GRU special forces were meant, they wear the form of the Airborne Forces, but they have nothing to do with them ...
    4. Hog
      Hog 9 October 2016 12: 05
      0
      Tankers would be just right.
      1. Genry
        Genry 9 October 2016 13: 14
        0
        Quote: Hog
        Tankers would be just right.

        A tanker with such weapons at the front will be simply unarmed.
        PP can only help in battle up to 50m, with the enemy without body armor.
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 October 2016 20: 48
          0
          Quote: Genry
          Quote: Hog
          Tankers would be just right.

          A tanker with such weapons at the front will be simply unarmed.
          PP can only help in battle up to 50m, with the enemy without body armor.

          and sighting type 200 advertising?
      2. Cat
        Cat 9 October 2016 13: 45
        0
        Under the cartridge 9 × 21.
    5. The brightest
      The brightest 9 October 2016 12: 37
      +1
      This is only necessary for the military. Service weapons PM militia is not because it is so good. And because they do not kill, but delay. PP Stechkin was just specialists.
      1. Genry
        Genry 9 October 2016 13: 23
        0
        Quote: Lightest
        PM police weapons are not because they are so good. But because they don’t kill

        The cops need a reliable, small-sized and light gun - it’s better than a PM to be found by these criteria.
        And the 9mm bullet kills better and faster than 5,45, the so-called "stopping effect" above.
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 9 October 2016 15: 18
      +4
      Quote: fzr1000
      And the military is unnecessarily.

      Tankers, aircraft pilots, sailors, a bunch of logistics specialists, just right ................ at the same time it can be completely modified for the task, even for special forces
    7. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 9 October 2016 15: 29
      0
      Well, I would not say that. Such a weapon would be useful to crew members of military vehicles as a replacement for a pistol. PP-2000 is half the weight of the AKS-74U assault rifle.
  3. Xroft
    Xroft 9 October 2016 11: 57
    +5
    They wrote about the 2000 software 10 years ago ..... as a result, they adopted it but didn’t really buy it, as the MVD officers go with Ksenia, nothing has changed. And the gun is so good.
  4. Holoy
    Holoy 9 October 2016 12: 01
    +7
    Why is this Guard even needed?
    1. Hog
      Hog 9 October 2016 12: 07
      +4
      As in "Inhabited Island"
      "The Combat Guard with heavy steps, is sweeping the fortresses with fire in their eyes,
      Flashing with military orders, etc. "
    2. The brightest
      The brightest 9 October 2016 12: 50
      +1
      In general, as I understand it, the reform of law enforcement agencies is coming. The FSB will be digested in the MGB. And the Guard will transfer part of the functions of the FSB. Purely IMHO
    3. Cat
      Cat 9 October 2016 13: 58
      +10
      Everything is logical: the leaders are afraid, and the police, for all their "negativism", will be with the people. So they try to "buy" with a ruble. True, there was not enough money for everyone, and the Rosgvardia had their own "black people", for example: Non-departmental security.
      The ideological level of distinction between the police and the police is interesting, especially in the governing documents.
      The oath of the police ends with the words: I serve Russia - I serve the law, and the police: I serve the law - I serve the people. So look for the difference to whom to suzhit "people" or "Russia". The creation of the Rosgvardia is the next stage in the search for the tops on what to lean on, in which case.
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 9 October 2016 17: 52
        +2
        The police are the capitalist's faithful watchdog. Read Dunno on the Moon. Nosov brilliantly described everything for five-year-old children.
        1. Cat
          Cat 9 October 2016 19: 56
          0
          If Medchediev had turned out in 2011 "a faithful guard dog", then it would be inappropriate to create Rossguaridia in 2016.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 12 October 2016 17: 25
            0
            Rosguard - this is the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, if you are not in the know.
      2. AUL
        AUL 9 October 2016 20: 19
        +1
        Everything is logical: the leaders are afraid, and the police, for all their "negativism", will be with the people. So they try to "buy" with a ruble.

        Cops (policemen) will never be with the people. They are the power, and the authorities always need to distance themselves from by-by.
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 9 October 2016 12: 08
    +1
    The time came for submachine guns, otherwise they believed in the versatility of AK.
    A friend praised Bison: comfortable and reliable. What is PP2000?
    1. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 9 October 2016 15: 44
      +1
      PP under the pistol cartridge are effective no further than 100 m when firing at a protected enemy. With the same dimensions and weight, I would prefer a weapon under an intermediate cartridge. PP should have a mass of about 2 kg and at a distance of up to 100 m to hit the enemy in body armor of the 3rd class and higher, otherwise its use loses its meaning.
  6. Karaul73
    Karaul73 9 October 2016 12: 13
    +3
    Why the military is such a miracle. If for tankers, then it seems to me better to have a short Kalash.
    1. Cat
      Cat 9 October 2016 14: 01
      0
      Combined cartridge - plus.
      Farther than the PP combat distance is a plus.
      Compactness is a minus.
  7. Titsen
    Titsen 9 October 2016 12: 20
    +5
    Interesting unit.

    Here is the link to the manufacturer’s website: http://kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/str
    elkovo-pushechnoe-i-granatometnoe-vooruzhenie / avt
    omaticheskoe-oruzhie / pp-2000
    1. cap
      cap 9 October 2016 13: 17
      +2
      Quote: Titsen
      Interesting unit.

      Here is the link to the manufacturer’s website: http://kbptula.ru/index.php/ru/razrabotki-kbp/str
      elkovo-pushechnoe-i-granatometnoe-vooruzhenie / avt
      omaticheskoe-oruzhie / pp-2000


      Thank you. I looked at the link, the conclusion is unambiguous. Only specialists. NOT army is a weapon.
      But skeptics can answer there is no extra weapon, and it wasn’t, as long as there is a bloodthirsty sapiens.
  8. s9883300
    s9883300 9 October 2016 12: 20
    +3
    Definitely, helicopter crews need. And there are Cedars.
    1. Cat
      Cat 9 October 2016 14: 06
      +1
      PP required for 9 × 21 cartridge.
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 9 October 2016 15: 46
        0
        Cartridges 9x19 mm 7H21 and 7H31 are not worse.
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    1. Max T.
      Max T. 9 October 2016 12: 43
      +4
      Thought for a long time?
    2. The brightest
      The brightest 9 October 2016 12: 45
      +5
      The crowd of protesters will shoot "greetings" Such rubber bullets, does not kill, but it hurts.
    3. Monos
      Monos 9 October 2016 12: 53
      +8
      Quote: 0255
      Is it from them if they shoot at a crowd of protesters?

      Who needs you, the protesters! But when such "boys" are drawn behind your backs, then the machine will come in handy.
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 9 October 2016 16: 02
        +1
        Therefore, it is better to immediately beat from the CPV and NSV, as well as RPO "Shmel".
    4. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 9 October 2016 13: 02
      +7
      Quote: 0255
      Is it from them if they shoot at a crowd of protesters?

      No, from this ... KS-23.
      Moreover, they shoot not at the "protesters", but to suppress riots ...
      1. The brightest
        The brightest 9 October 2016 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: Prapor-527
        Moreover, they shoot not at the "protesters", but to suppress riots ...

        Admire these wonderful weapons, and most importantly, imagine which of them is "hello" trump))))))
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 14 October 2016 19: 32
          0
          On closer inspection, it’s rude, but reliable, and s.ka effective ...
    5. Koshak
      Koshak 9 October 2016 21: 19
      0
      Quote: 0255
      Is it from them if they shoot at a crowd of protesters?

      What, it became scary? Now, won't you go to the "Maidan"? There is already a benefit from this PP.
  10. vetor
    vetor 9 October 2016 12: 30
    +2
    As in the Soviet Union the beginning of the sample of the twenties was said - p.p. weapons of police and gangsters
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 9 October 2016 17: 54
      0
      In capitalism, in fact, both are the same.
      1. AUL
        AUL 9 October 2016 20: 25
        0
        And with us now?
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 12 October 2016 17: 26
          0
          And now we have capitalism. Enjoy it.
          1. rjxtufh
            rjxtufh 13 October 2016 00: 06
            0
            Quote: cast iron
            And now we have capitalism.

            You are lucky. What country do you live in?
  11. narval20
    narval20 9 October 2016 12: 34
    +3
    But why the hell is he to the bailiffs !? To defend against debtors when seizing property ??? belay
    1. The brightest
      The brightest 9 October 2016 12: 55
      +1
      They feel that people will begin to shoot back from the squad makers.
      1. Cat
        Cat 9 October 2016 14: 04
        0
        Protect yourself and your "business" with a "trough". laughing
  12. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 9 October 2016 13: 05
    +4
    The special forces use it for the "shield" - the fighter carrying the shield has one hand, so he needs a light weapon with a lot of ammunition "
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 9 October 2016 13: 18
      +2
      Good luck men! Whatever weapon is .... The main RAM! bully
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 9 October 2016 14: 07
        +3
        This is the FSO and not the FSB ... with an English rifle by the way ...
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 9 October 2016 14: 31
          0
          Quote: Holoy
          This is the FSO and not the FSB ... with an English rifle by the way ...

          I know ... Just in between !! hi
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  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 October 2016 13: 47
    +3
    Under the strong armor-piercing cartridge 7N21 - quite a "second weapon". It is especially good that it shoots from a CLOSED SHUTTER! This means that it is much more accurate than a pistol (the barrel is longer, the emphasis, the initial velocity of the bullet is decent, hence the flatness), the rate of fire is not too high, it is easier to cut off 2-3 shots in short bursts. Well done Tula.
  14. PPD
    PPD 9 October 2016 13: 47
    +2
    Whether he needs it or not is determined only by practice. You can fantasize and theorize about as much as you like. In this context, it is better to create and not apply, than oh, as it would be good, but if we had ....
  15. 31R-US
    31R-US 9 October 2016 14: 28
    +2
    With our laws on the use (use) of weapons, it is "more correct" for a policeman to run away than to shoot from him. So as not to get a bunch of gemmor and not end up in jail.
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 9 October 2016 14: 35
      +3
      Using weapons, be ready to unsubscribe
  16. askort154
    askort154 9 October 2016 15: 14
    0
    Quote: STARPER
    Good luck men! Whatever weapon is .... The main RAM! bully


    Video from the next action movie. The loopholes of the Kremlin wall, the place of medieval archers took modern FSB snipers and brazenly posing.
    Not even funny. hi
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 9 October 2016 18: 05
      0
      someone will think - a cameraman. From far away not visible.
      On the other hand - the company's advertising trick.
      Somewhere I also saw a photo there, as it should be, two opposite the GUM with the Lobaev rifle, it seems.
      By the way, most fully he talks about the formation of the company in a dead end
  17. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 9 October 2016 15: 40
    +1
    Quote: 31R-US
    Using weapons, be ready to unsubscribe

    As our company commander said, "The more paper, the cleaner the ass" ...
  18. vetor
    vetor 9 October 2016 16: 33
    0
    The honorary title of Guard in the history of RIA RKKA and SA was awarded for heroism and dedication.
    The National Guard in the United States, Ukraine, there is identity, and the Russian Federation in the wake for something.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 9 October 2016 18: 50
      +1
      The capitalist government is taking leaps and bounds out of the shackles of communism. If it is fashionable for Western capitalists to call the Interior Ministry SS troops, then the Russian capitalists in the Kremlin will call in the same way that they would not think badly of them.
    2. Max T.
      Max T. 9 October 2016 22: 50
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      Do not measure by yourself. And think when you speak. Or maybe you just want to offend someone. We don’t need anyone to compare with.
  19. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 9 October 2016 16: 55
    +1
    The special forces and the Russian guard are not military, therefore - the main buyers ... But not the main ones - others are not military: border guards, collection, couriers?
    And the special forces of which: the GRU, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the engineering troops (they say they don’t need machine guns - they will thank everyone with a shovel)?
  20. rjxtufh
    rjxtufh 9 October 2016 19: 26
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    armed with Tula submachine guns

    PP-2000 according to the technical specifications, these are not submachine guns, but automatic pistols.
    Just such a peculiar, submachine gun appearance.
  21. AndreyS
    AndreyS 9 October 2016 20: 58
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    Prapor-527,
    Quote: Prapor-527

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    Prapor-527 Today, 14:49 PM ↑ New
    For them there is "Vityaz-SN" ... 9x18.

    You're not right. Vityaz-CH is made under the cartridge 9X19 mm. 9x18 mm is used in Cedar, Wedge, Cypress.
  22. Max T.
    Max T. 9 October 2016 22: 46
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    Quote: Prapor-527
    Quote: Alex777
    If Makarov is replaced with his 9x18 cartridge, then it will be clear what kind of army PP is needed.
    IMHO type MP-5 and with 9x21.

    Why MR-5? "Heather" 9x21 ...
    SP10 (with a bullet with a special steel core of increased armor penetration),
    SP11 (with a low-reso lead bullet with a lead core),
    SP12 (with an expansive bullet of increased stopping power),
    SP13 (with tracer bullet).

    I completely agree. There are few of them, but few.
  23. Alex777
    Alex777 11 October 2016 13: 08
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    Quote: Prapor-527
    For them there is "Vityaz-SN" ... 9x18.

    Knight - yes, impressive. He is 9x19.
    Its in 9x21 and with a 4-row magazine for 50 rounds.
    Great assault option.
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