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New Ukrainian mriya: visa regime with Russia

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On the wave of the conductor's wand, Ukrainian media resources, including Internet portals, radio stations and television channels, began to publish polls as to whether readers (listeners, viewers) support the initiative to introduce a visa regime with Russia. In turn, the media initiative was "lowered" from the bar of the Maidan "Vlada". Even before the introduction of a visa regime with the Russian Federation, the “Vlada” itself expressed itself rather sluggishly, with the mind of the Maidan realizing that Russia will respond to symmetrical measures and ask all the “earned money” to get visa documentation. However, now even the obvious tension in the looks of the frowning people of the same “mined workers” on their own authorities does not seem to stop Kiev. It is necessary to understand what is the reason for this turn of events?


First you need to present the results of one of the surveys about visas from the Russian Federation, organized by the Ukrainian media. It's about the question UNIANwhich was formulated as follows: “Do you support the initiative of introducing a visa regime for Ukraine with Russia?” Readers of this Ukrainian information resource were asked to choose one of four answer options:

1. I support 100%, and paid visas must also be introduced. Moreover, this should have been done two years ago.
2. The idea is relevant. But the visa regime should be selective, with relaxed conditions for a number of categories of Russians.
3. I am against it. Why aggravate the situation even more?
4. Here you will fight a little in the ATO against the Russians - let's see how you will be against it.


After several hours of posting the survey on the Internet, about 2 of thousands of users voted, and at the time of preparing the material, the results were as follows:
For the first option - 65%, for the second - 7%, for the third - 26%, for the fourth (and this, judging by all, the winners of the championship in uporosis) - 2%.

New Ukrainian mriya: visa regime with Russia


The conditional start of the Ukrainian campaign to discuss the issue of introducing a visa regime with the Russian Federation at this stage was given by the statement of the Verkhovna Rada Speaker Andrei Paruby, who called the possible introduction of visas "necessary measure" in connection with the detention in Moscow of Colonel GUR of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry Roman Sushchenko. His (Sushchenko), in Kiev, by the way, is still called “the journalist” and the Ukrainian “special correspondent in Paris.”

Interesting, in general, the movie ... Mr. Sushchenko - citizens, in fact, of Ukraine. And it was he who flew to Russia ... you see, on vacation (he himself stated this during interrogation) - without a visa (for we have a visa-free regime). And Paruby calls the “necessary measure” the introduction of visas with Russia ... The answer. For the answer, I'm sorry for what? Some kind of "quantum" logic in one word, which they are trying to push through as a blessing through the Ukrainian public.

After the statement of Parubiy, the public Maidan exclaims in a single impulse: “Yes! Give visa regime with the Russian Federation! There is no need to vatniki klyatyh privechat on the most independent Ukrainian land! ”The results of opinion polls in Ukraine confirm this impulse. That is, on the surface - the "true desire" of Ukrainian citizens to protect themselves from the “country of a-Khressor”. At least, that's how it is presented in the most truthful Ukrainian media in the world.

If, however, the logic is not Maidan-quantum, but real, then the Ukrainian population has nothing to do with it. The fact is that the visa theme in relation to Russia in Ukraine began to be so active immediately after the committee decision in the European Parliament. Recall a few days ago in one of the committees of the EP, European deputies voted for the possible abolition of the visa regime with Ukraine. Approved the initiative that the Ukrainians will be able to visit the EU countries as tourists, but for work they still need to purchase additional permits. Poroshenko then announced that it was a breakthrough of the century, a gift to him personally for his birthday - in general, peremoga. Now the question of the possibility of abolishing visas for Ukrainian citizens should be resolved at the European Commission and other EU bureaucracies.

For obvious reasons, the EU is interested in Kiev: what is it going to do in the event of the possible introduction of a visa-free visa with the European Union, taking into account Ukraine’s having a visa-free visa with Russia? Kiev kept silence for a few days, tried to find a solution ... The decision was suggested in the EU: without the introduction of a visa regime with Russia, there can be no question of the abolition of visas on our part for Ukrainians.

Maidannaya "Vlada" began to scratch a turnip in hard thoughts about what to do with the abovementioned foreigners, who in Russia, according to the most modest calculations (this is without taking into account the residents of the DPR and the LPR), more than 1,2 million people. If this million-plus will lose the opportunity to work in the Russian Federation in case of retaliatory measures of the Russian Federation in relation to Kiev, then the workers in the bank may rush to Bank and arrange a colorful performance. And taking into account the fact that the Maidan authorities are afraid of “thousands of agents recruited by the FSB” from among those who are still working in the bargain, Kiev’s headache is obviously getting worse.

What remains to Kiev in the circumstances? After all, on the one hand, a visa-free regime with Europe is the very thing for which the Maidan would begin to stand, but on the other hand, it is necessary to fulfill the requirements of the EU, which clearly does not want the Russians to get visa-free besides Ukrainians (even if they did not ask) . There is only one way out: to start dancing, while announcing to the workers in the Russian Federation who, after the introduction of the visa regime with Russia, will be able to go to work in any of the EU countries without hindrance. They lie, of course ... After all, in Ukraine today it is not customary to say that if the EU abolishes visas for Ukrainians, it is only for the purpose of waiting for those as tourists. But which of the Ukrainian citizens are tourists with the euro for 30 hryvnia and the standard of living in the country (Poroshenko's glory! ..) at the basement level among all European countries, including Moldova, is a rhetorical question.

Moreover, the Ukrainian “Vlada” will no longer be able to send “journalists” from the GUR MO to the RF; after all, if there is a reciprocal visa regime, it’s difficult to fly “on leave to grandmother” at any time convenient for Colonel GUR MO. .

In general, polls about the introduction of visas from the Russian Federation, organized within the framework of the entire campaign by the Ukrainian media, are another attempt to shift the responsibility onto the shoulders of the Ukrainian people. So that later the authorities had the opportunity to state: well, you yourself voted for it, and we (“Vlad”) heard you and went to meet you.
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  1. izya top
    izya top 6 October 2016 06: 16
    +6
    when they already dig a wall?
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 6 October 2016 06: 22
      +6
      then when we stop pumping them gas
      1. nnm
        nnm 6 October 2016 08: 28
        +1
        What are you saying ??? !!! They are fully confident that Slovakia will give them their own gas in reverse, with the same gas transmission system, by which Russia pumps it in the opposite direction ...
        1. Gamer
          Gamer 7 October 2016 15: 47
          +1
          the wall is standing, such a green one from a netting net and barbed wire on top, 400 million have already been spent, 200 more will be spent
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 8 October 2016 15: 11
            0
            How many meters of wall is it, do not tell me? Here the Chinese have been building their wall for several hundred years
    2. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 6 October 2016 07: 50
      0
      in order to dig it up, it is necessary that there is something to saw ..... and the pan of the chieftain has no gold reserves ....
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 October 2016 09: 25
      +18
      Maidan "Vlad" began scratching turnips in heavy thought

      Actually, here, oddly enough, but the desires coincide, for a long time for "migrant workers" it is necessary to introduce visas, except for the LDNR. Well, about despair. fellow
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  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 6 October 2016 06: 21
    +3
    "polls on the introduction of visas from the Russian Federation, organized within the framework of an entire campaign by the Ukrainian media"

    Are there still those who believe in their results? request
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 6 October 2016 07: 58
      +4
      in the survey results?
      ha ha ....
      but in this case, the result of the survey strikingly coincides with the opinion of the Russians, because in Russia for 2 years there have been requests to introduce visas for zrobitsch ..... and even better - to fence the country 404 higher, like any madhouse ....
      but my personal opinion coincides with the opinion of the leadership of Russia .... Visas from our side are a direct path to visa-free travel for gayrops for Svidomo ...
      1. Army soldier2
        Army soldier2 6 October 2016 11: 00
        +7
        Indeed, on the one hand, a visa-free regime with Europe is the very thing for which the Maidan would start to stand, and on the other hand, it is necessary to fulfill the requirements of the EU, which clearly does not want the Russians to actually receive a visa (even if they didn’t) .

        I don’t understand how one mates with the other. A Ukrainian on the border with Poland will show his Ukrainian passport and, with a visa-free regime, will calmly cross the border. And the Russian will show a Russian passport. What does it have to do with the visa-free regime of the EU and Ukraine?
  3. Taygerus
    Taygerus 6 October 2016 06: 27
    +7
    the issue of visas is certainly absurd, does kuev really control the border of the LPR and the DPR with Russia, but with a mutual introduction, how many Ukrainian lads will return to their homeland without income received from the aggressor and working for it, this is another maidan, and the ropes are not stocked up, the old ones rode off, and new ones were not prepared, again zrad
  4. Sergey Shagilov
    Sergey Shagilov 6 October 2016 06: 33
    +17
    A letter to the Ukrainian from Moskol, Hello brother, although you do not consider me to be a brother, cotton wool, Colorado, let it be. Let me remind you from our common history, yes it is, because in the past we were ONE people, we fought off the Khazars together, went in a campaign to the Crimean Khanate to rescue from full of our relatives. When the Austro-Hungarians and Polish Poles tormented Ukraine, you came to your Northern brother and your brother defended, and after you decided to stay next to your brother and we again began to live in one big But happiness does not last long, a revolution has come, a civil war has begun, where brother fought with brother, father with son, we survived this troubled time together, there was a great famine where our children died, we survived this too. Then there was a rise, construction centuries, as we all believed then, there were many plans, but trouble came, WAR the brown plague and WE crushed this reptile together again, we survived the devastation, rebuilt a common new house and lived there while a handful of leaders decided for us all to live separately. We lived on paper separately, but in reality we didn’t share anything, until a bunch of villains who were also in power with the villain Yanukovych came to power by deceiving the bright future, moreover, she legalized the brown degenerates of these deficiencies and poured blood, your brother’s blood in Odessa and the Donbass, FOR WHAT YOU KILL THE BROTHER for. because he wanted to speak Russian along with Ukrainian, for that he knows that a free gingerbread does not bring pleasure and you still have to pay for it, and he doesn’t want to his house was overseer because of the Ocean, I ask WHAT YOU WANT BLOOD. At 90, we had a drunk Yeltsin who was doing what is happening now, and foreign advisers and the misery of the common people, buying up the country's leading enterprises by foreigners and great shame for their country. Remember your brother, they won’t help from overseas and they will throw as soon as you take more you will have nothing .psAbout Crimea, Crimea went home, people of Crimea do not want to be under the oppression of brown rulers, and blockades only increase hatred and confirmation that they made the RIGHT CHOICE. Sorry, what do you think, respectfully not a brother.
    1. private person
      private person 6 October 2016 07: 29
      +6
      The address Brother in relation to the crest should not be used in any form at all. And about the "right choice" they made it, and the visa regime, but from the Russian side, it will be a correct assessment of their actions.
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 6 October 2016 07: 57
        0
        Why strain, they want visas - to hell with them, let them at least stand on their ears. I farted at this madhouse from a large bell tower, the importance is not great. .
        1. avt
          avt 6 October 2016 09: 16
          +2
          Quote: Evdokim
          Why strain, they want visas - to hell with them, let them at least stand on their ears.

          good If they enter - well, we have the example of Georgia. Again, it is quite possible to separate "lambs from goats." albeit with the help of Russia, but by ourselves. Maybe a kick in the ass to the Khataskrains, and from their own ruler, this thought will reach the brain. Well, who will not reach - okay, and so good - the visa regime will be from both sides. bully
      2. Sergey Shagilov
        Sergey Shagilov 6 October 2016 08: 26
        +2
        Of course, the visa regime and an adequate assessment will be right, but not all Ukrainians are not brothers, many brothers in Ukraine are friendly to us, many are lost, and many are intimidated, and this appeal is designed primarily for the lost, do not lose faith that we can wake them up and open our eyes to reality. THIS IS AS A FAMILY, THERE IS TWO BROTHERS ONE GOOD, AND OTHER PROBLEM, BUT WE ARE FIGHTING AND ATTEMPTING TO HELP IT, AND DO NOT THROW IT AND DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE NOT HERE TO KEEP US.
      3. Retvizan
        Retvizan 6 October 2016 10: 22
        +3
        Quote: private person
        The Brother’s appeal to Khokhl should not be used in any way.

        in general, in common parlance, "Brother" is used by representatives of the Caucasians. Russian and Ukrainian rarely use this in communication.
        We are talking about the term fraternal peoples. Then decide for yourself. I'm not an adviser, but the information war has already formed everything that is needed (hatred, enmity, contempt and other troubles)
        1. rasteer
          rasteer 6 October 2016 10: 44
          +8
          It’s for you that only the Caucasians bachut, and in our Urals our brother has normal Russian treatment, although it is slightly profitable.
          1. Sorokin
            Sorokin 8 October 2016 18: 33
            0
            Well, more "land" or "drugan" overexposure of the ussollag.
  5. nik1321
    nik1321 6 October 2016 07: 14
    +7
    visa regime will lead to the need for many issues
    1) immediately more jobs will appear and order - and if anyone wants to stay in Russia then let them draw up documents in a legal manner.
    2) people of draft age will move to Europe at any cost and will work there with all their might - at the same time they will understand how they are treated there and how they are needed ... And when they start throwing them back, they will gain a lot of problems with this, because for now still do not represent in the EU-how many will be willing ..
    3) Donetsk and Lugansk will have to be recognized, albeit at least temporarily, at least somehow, because one of the reasons for the visa regime is the restriction of access to unrecognized republics. Which will entail increased tension between the Russian Federation and Ukraine ... and the EU.
    4) getting to the Crimea for a Ukrainian will be difficult .. as well as cargo from Ukraine to Russia ..
    5) yes and even more - if I’m not mistaken, I will have to demarcate the borders, as far as I know this has not been done yet (a good reason to do this along the border of Lugansk and Donetsk regions - and maybe more) Many other issues related to this issue will also disappear with Ukraine.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 6 October 2016 08: 45
      +2
      Quote: nik1321
      5) yes and even more - if I’m not mistaken, I will have to demarcate the borders, as far as I know this has not been done yet (a good reason to do this along the border of Lugansk and Donetsk regions - and maybe more) Many other issues related to this issue will also disappear with Ukraine.

      You are not mistaken. See Ban Ki-moon's statements at the end of his visit to Ukraine in January 2016.
      1. Retvizan
        Retvizan 6 October 2016 10: 23
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        See Ban Ki-moon's statements at the end of his visit to Ukraine in January 2016.

        this fake has already written and provided data many times. The headquarters of Medvechuk needed to be replaced by someone, for her fakes are not working out well.
    2. BABA SHURA
      BABA SHURA 6 October 2016 14: 54
      +1
      Do not forget that Donetsk and Lugansk are Ukraine, they have no other passports. And for the foreigner they will have to go to Kiev. The foreigner now costs from 8000 rubles, though this is done through the embassy.
  6. tiana
    tiana 6 October 2016 07: 20
    +1
    Forgive me my stupidity ... But how, "besides Ukrainians, do Russians actually get visa-free travel?" How? Here I am going from the Square to Poland, for example, and I will be freely allowed at the border with my RUSSIAN passport? Just because I'm coming from the territory of Ukraine?
  7. russmensch
    russmensch 6 October 2016 07: 22
    +5
    And I like such parsley ... Only about 2000 people were noted on the site. against 40 million, and the figure for the whole country is shifted. Ah well done ... Ours is still to study and study ...
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 6 October 2016 10: 25
      0
      Quote: russmensch
      Only about 2000 people were noted on the site. against 40 million, and the figure for the whole country is shifted.

      So this is a normal reception. The same petitions to the president - 10 people noted - that Ukrainians are bad people ..
      In addition, electronic through the site is easy to wind up to one person. And here 2 thousand trifle on wrapping.
      In addition, UNIAN is not the most popular.
  8. Waltasar
    Waltasar 6 October 2016 07: 30
    +1
    requirements of the EU, which clearly does not want Russians to actually get visa-free in addition to Ukrainians (even if they didn’t).
    I did not understand this moment. After all, a visa-free regime is for citizens, and if a Russian citizen who entered Ukraine without a visa decides to fly to Europe, deploying it at the airport passport control is not a problem, but there are no land borders.
  9. nnm
    nnm 6 October 2016 08: 25
    0
    Do you want to close Roshen in Russia, non-brothers?
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 6 October 2016 10: 27
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      Do you want to close Roshen in Russia, non-brothers?

      "Non-brothers" will not answer you. Those that were called by them, for a long time, were given something. And I will answer --- our partner with your business, and the chocolates bloom and smell. Ordinary Ukrainians have nothing from this business.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 6 October 2016 11: 15
        +7
        Quote: Retvizan
        long wanted something. And I’ll answer --- our partner has your business, and chocolates blossom and smell. Simple Ukrainians have nothing from this business.

        Yes, yes, Retvisan doesn’t have you, just everyone has it. fellow
    2. rasteer
      rasteer 6 October 2016 10: 48
      0
      why does he work for our economy, does he create jobs for the workers, let him continue in the same vein ... and then they expropriate everything from him, so that means he wasn’t in the enemy’s mood and our oligahoff was still doing better
    3. Gamer
      Gamer 7 October 2016 15: 56
      +1
      Vlasovite Bandera is always a brother, but not vice versa)))
  10. PKK
    PKK 6 October 2016 09: 08
    0
    Yes, ordinary people didn’t ask again, active Svidomites responded, and they don’t even go to Russia. But the most interesting moment is how visas will be introduced on the borders of LDNR? Or they won’t, considering these lands are Ukrainian. And also with Crimea, Ukraine Crimea considers its own.
    1. avt
      avt 6 October 2016 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: PKK
      But the most interesting point is how visas will be introduced at the borders of LDNR? Or they won’t, considering these lands are Ukrainian

      Arrived ..... request Yes, they already issue their passports! The Great Ukrainians cut them off from their paperwork - blank dumb.
  11. Phosgene
    Phosgene 6 October 2016 09: 33
    +1
    It is high time for Russia to introduce the toughest visa regime with Russophobic states and deport their patriots from Russia, with the deprivation of their Russian citizenship, if any.
    1. Gamer
      Gamer 7 October 2016 15: 54
      +1
      for this we need steel organs! I read a day or two ago - the trainman on the railroad was dead, he returned from Russian earnings to misfortune.
  12. Batia
    Batia 6 October 2016 09: 47
    +1
    For God's sake! They crave for a geyrop-flag in their hands and a drum around their neck. There will be a mutual answer. One thing is embarrassing - this is leading to ever greater disunity of the fraternal people. Although I already doubt the existence of "brotherhood" between us.
  13. masiya
    masiya 6 October 2016 09: 58
    0
    Insanity grows stronger, the felling of a tree knot on which simple Uraintsy sit with increased pressure continues with success, let's continue the flag in your ass ...
  14. Retvizan
    Retvizan 6 October 2016 10: 34
    +4
    This is not mriya. And the actions of some. Which would just bite something else. HERE and they bit. To relatives. The very same Ukrainians. People with relatives in the Russian Federation are not interested in such a law.
    And retaliatory measures will hit harder. However, you understand the first goal of all these laws in the Russian Federation - not the Russian Federation at all. And for those who illusory support her, family ties and trips. There are many of them mainly in the southeast. At least he does not consider her an enemy (or separates politicians and relatives). This is against whom this law is directed. Deprive relatives of access. Separate the last strings of a family plan if not culturally so. The cut will go to families. I always shared the actions of politicians that the Russian spill that the Ukrainian (however, this is one gang of watering can). But what this gang wants to do with nations is worthy of contempt ..
    About the law itself
    The final word will remain with the Cabinet.
    The "opposition bloc" has already stated that it will not support the introduction of visas, as this will negatively affect the Ukrainian migrant workers in Russia.
    Earlier, "Strana" analyzed whether the Rada will vote for visas with Russia. The interlocutors of "Strana" in the deputy corps disagree on the prospects of the document. Some admit his failure in the session hall even though the speaker Andrey Parubiy is among the authors. Even the coalition partners in the Petro Poroshenko Bloc (BPP) oppose the adoption of the document.
    As "Strana" reported, the introduction of a visa regime with Russia threatens the residents of the territories not controlled by Ukraine with new problems. If a visa regime is introduced, Russia will have to open consulates here, but it is clear that Ukraine does not recognize their existence. A diplomatic collision will appear. If you send residents of Donetsk and Lugansk for visas to Kharkov or Odessa, there will be a collapse.
    There was no EU smell here. A purely hawkish initiative. Kindling at any cost. And as always unprepared. The consequences are not calculated, a violation of our own interests, we cut off our hands, our own, and even which money is sent. And their share in the country's income has increased even more. I just want to ask a question to the deputies. Who are you fighting with? Hike with Ukraine. They have their own country "aggressor"
  15. Hapfri
    Hapfri 6 October 2016 10: 37
    0
    After several hours of posting the survey on the Internet, about 2 of thousands of users voted, and at the time of preparing the material, the results were as follows:
    For the first option - 65%, for the second - 7%, for the third - 26%, for the fourth (and this, judging by all, the winners of the championship in uporosis) - 2%.

    These are all frauds, I will not believe for anything.
    In Russia, about 5 million, with families of 15, see if they have problems with visas.
    We then introduce visas too, this is inevitable in a similar situation
  16. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 6 October 2016 10: 46
    +1
    Judging by the commentaries, the Russians are very willing to build a wall, at least the most thoughtless part of them.
    1. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 7 October 2016 00: 46
      +1
      Why stupid? I would create minefields in their place along the entire length of the border.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 8 October 2016 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Ferdinant
      Judging by the commentaries, the Russians are very willing to build a wall, at least the most thoughtless part of them.

      What does the Russians have to do with it?
      Russia only does what it takes RESPONSE measures on what is imposed on Ukraine by its curators. The ability to decide something on their own, Ukraine does not have.
      So Russia's introduction of a visa regime as a response, the answer is not to Ukrainians, but to mattresses and Europeans.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 8 October 2016 11: 01
      0
      Quote: Ferdinant
      Judging by the commentaries, the Russians are very willing to build a wall, at least the most thoughtless part of them.

      What does the Russians have to do with it?
      Russia only does what it takes RESPONSE measures on what is imposed on Ukraine by its curators. The ability to decide something on their own, Ukraine does not have.
      So Russia's introduction of a visa regime as a response, the answer is not to Ukrainians, but to mattresses and Europeans.
  17. Retvizan
    Retvizan 6 October 2016 10: 46
    +1
    This is not mriya. And the actions of some. Which would just bite something else. HERE and they bit. To relatives. The very same Ukrainians. People with relatives in the Russian Federation are not interested in such a law.
    And retaliatory measures will hit harder. However, you understand the first goal of all these laws in the Russian Federation - not the Russian Federation at all. And for those who illusory support her, family ties and trips. There are many of them mainly in the southeast. At least he does not consider her an enemy (or separates politicians and relatives). This is against whom this law is directed. Deprive relatives of access. Separate the last strings of a family plan if not culturally so. The cut will go to families. I always shared the actions of politicians that the Russian spill that the Ukrainian (however, this is one gang of watering can). But what this gang wants to do with nations is worthy of contempt ..
    About the law itself
    The final word will remain with the Cabinet.
    The "opposition bloc" has already stated that it will not support the introduction of visas, as this will negatively affect the Ukrainian migrant workers in Russia.
    Earlier, "Strana" analyzed whether the Rada will vote for visas with Russia. The interlocutors of "Strana" in the deputy corps disagree on the prospects of the document. Some admit his failure in the session hall even though the speaker Andrey Parubiy is among the authors. Even the coalition partners in the Petro Poroshenko Bloc (BPP) oppose the adoption of the document.
    As "Strana" reported, the introduction of a visa regime with Russia threatens the residents of the territories not controlled by Ukraine with new problems. If a visa regime is introduced, Russia will have to open consulates here, but it is clear that Ukraine does not recognize their existence. A diplomatic collision will appear. If you send residents of Donetsk and Lugansk for visas to Kharkov or Odessa, there will be a collapse.
    There was no EU smell here. A purely hawkish initiative. Kindling at any cost. And as always unprepared. The consequences are not calculated, a violation of our own interests, we cut off our hands, our own, and even which money is sent. And their share in the country's income has increased even more. I just want to ask a question to the deputies. Who are you fighting with? Hike with Ukraine. They have their own country "aggressor"
    the detention in Moscow of the colonel GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Roman Suschenko. He (Sushchenko), in Kiev, by the way, is still called the "journalist" and the Ukrainian "special correspondent in Paris."

    dullness in some articles is annoying. When to learn to write articles about Ukraine without grimaces and a level exceeding the village?
    There was no court-while he was only suspected. Is he already recognized as a spy on VO Alexei Volodin? Have you already held a trial and proved it? Moreover, you are kidding me. The information war is blind. And if you are wrong, if he really is not to blame and is a hostage of the current situation, where anyone - you, me or anyone else - can become a "spy"?
    Moreover, the Ukrainian “Vlada” will no longer be able to simply send “journalists” from the Ministry of Defense of the MoD to the Russian Federation, because if there is a mutual visa regime, it’s generally difficult to fly “on vacation to grandma” at any time convenient for the colonel of the MOU of GUR .. .?

    Alexey - who needs to go through any visa! You need to separate flies from cutlets
    In general, polls about the introduction of visas from the Russian Federation, organized within the framework of the entire campaign by the Ukrainian media, are another attempt to shift the responsibility onto the shoulders of the Ukrainian people. So that later the authorities had the opportunity to state: well, you yourself voted for it, and we (“Vlad”) heard you and went to meet you.

    What company? The hawks still had these plans in 2014. What they write about this is not a company. Proudly, such a whole company. The solution is not popular. Not yet accepted.
    And the method for our countries is very common. True selective.
  18. rasteer
    rasteer 6 October 2016 11: 02
    +2
    By and large, we could introduce visas long ago in order to exert pressure on Ukraine. Since 1.5 mil zarobotchane feed 5 million at least the population of the landless, and returning instead of breadwinners, they will become freebies in a country where there is no work anyway. But there is one serious BUT the fact is that these 1,5 million are the majority of the male population of draft age, many of whom knowingly went to Russia in order not to get into the ATO zone. If Russia introduces visas, they will all end up in this very zone and LDNRu cannot contain such a mass. So it seems to me that even in the case of the introduction of a visa regime ukram, we will not do this well, or it will be the most lightweight option. Actually, while there are no prerequisites for closing Ukraine, the conditions for a Russian-controlled explosion have not yet been created; there is no leader loyal and capable of organizing this.
    1. nnm
      nnm 6 October 2016 11: 28
      0
      I completely agree! the real goal is to return the able-bodied population to Nenko! For there is no one to kill, all the horse got over to the "axressor"
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 October 2016 12: 18
    +1
    Quote: iza top
    when they already dig a wall?

    The wall dig up hard. Therefore, if they do not begin to build, then you will not have to dig.
  20. vladimirw
    vladimirw 6 October 2016 12: 29
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    Yes, bullshit, ukrofashists will introduce visas for citizens of the Russian Federation, but our authorities will not do this for liberals out of liberal convictions. I bet
  21. Retvizan
    Retvizan 6 October 2016 17: 25
    +1
    There is a good article. Alexey Volodin needs to pay attention to how articles on this topic are composed.
    Why does Ukraine need a visa regime with Russia and what consequences will it have for Ukrainians
    "Strana" answers the main questions about the visa regime with Russia
    http://strana.ua/articles/analysis/34476-zachem-u
    kraine-vizovyj-rezhim-s-rossiej-i-kakie-on-posled
    stviya-budet-imet-dlya-ukraincev.html
    So the Ukrainian edition publishes amusing information
    excerpt
    2. Why do authorities want to introduce a visa regime with Russia?
    A formal reason is the arrest of Slushchenko. But this, I must admit, is an openly drawn-out occasion. It is not clear how the introduction of visas for Russians can save Ukrainians from troubles, like the arrest of Slushchenko, in Russia.
    It could still be understood if Ukraine had detained a group of Russian spies on its territory and, in response to this, a visa regime would be introduced. But the arrest of a Ukrainian citizen in Russia is a really strange reason.
    Moreover, since the spring of 2014 Ukraine has introduced very stringent measures to control the entry of Russian citizens into our country. Many are not allowed in and wrapped up at the slightest suspicion right at the border control points. The mass arrival of unreliable Russians has not been observed for a long time.
    Apparently, there are two real reasons for the authorities to introduce a visa regime.
    The first one is another (and very bright) reason to show that we are still "at war" with Russia, while not declaring the war on Russia itself, not starting a real war in eastern Ukraine for the return of Donetsk and Lugansk, the Lipetsk factory to close, business schemes for the coal trade (in which Russians, representatives of the Ukrainian government, and separatists are actively involved) should not be closed. That is, the visa regime is a very convenient and safe way for the authorities to show society their "fight against the aggressor state."
    The second reason is to provoke a response from Russia in the form of introducing a visa regime for Ukrainians. This also fits into the concept of the Ukrainian authorities to minimize contacts of Ukrainians with Russians and Russia. And given that a visa-free regime with the EU is expected in the near future, the introduction of visas for travel to Russia will be a good reason to speculate about the final "civilizational choice" made by Ukraine. Again, it is much easier and safer for our authorities to demonstrate this "civilizational choice" by formal actions such as the introduction / abolition of visas than by fighting corruption.
    4. Will Russia introduce a visa regime with Ukraine?
    Logically, yes. As a rule, such measures are mirror-like and representatives of the Russian authorities have made it clear more than once in recent years that in the case of introducing visas for Russians, a similar procedure will be introduced for Ukrainians.
    At the same time, there is one important factor that may induce Russians to postpone the introduction of visas for Ukrainians. These are "DNR" and "LNR". The fact is that the residents of these territories have Ukrainian passports, and free movement across the border with Russia is an important factor in their survival. If a visa regime is introduced, Russia will have to open consulates here, but it is clear that Ukraine does not recognize their existence. A diplomatic collision will appear. If you send residents of Donetsk and Lugansk for visas to Kharkov or Odessa, there will be a collapse.
    Therefore, Russia will face a difficult dilemma. Or open consulates and cause another diplomatic scandal (by the way, the very need to obtain visas will seriously complicate the already difficult life of Donetsk and Luhansk people and cause discontent). Or send people to Kharkov and Odessa, which will generally make it impossible to obtain a visa for the vast majority of residents of the "DPR / LPR" (especially those associated with the separatist movement). Or start the mass distribution of Russian passports. Or to adopt a special law on "cross-border cooperation", which would spell out the rules on the possibility of visa-free entry into the Russian Federation, under which residents of the unrecognized republics would fall. Or to recognize the passports of the "DPR / LPR", thus de facto recognizing the "DPR / LPR" themselves.
    But, despite all these difficulties, the likelihood of Russia introducing a visa regime for Ukrainians as a response to a similar measure on the part of Ukraine looks very high at the moment.
    We will remind that earlier "Strana" reported that the former head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Konstantin Grishchenko doubts that the visa regime with Russia will help Ukraine.
  22. Go through
    Go through 9 October 2016 11: 15
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    I am for! Let there be visas, since such a booze has gone! It’s more likely that they will sweep away this non-government with a filthy broom, and canceling is always not a problem if everything comes to some normal denominator