New transport-loading vehicle for ACS has passed state tests

The wheeled transporting vehicle (TZM) 2F66-1 developed by the TsNII Burevestnik is capable of replenishing ammunition self-propelled artillery systems (ACS) in a matter of minutes, according to News.

“Currently the installation has passed state tests. Its delivery to the troops will begin next year. The newest TZM will be delivered together with the divisions of the MSTA-SV ACS, for which the Ministry of Defense and the Uralvagonzavod corporation signed a contract in September, ” - told the newspaper in the Central Research Institute.

TZM developed on the basis of the truck KAMAZ-6560. In its body mounted revolving installation with 92 shots. “Turning around at the operator’s command, the installation with a special lever-rammer delivers the projectile to the pneumatic manipulator, which in turn“ captures ”the ammunition and transfers it from the carousel to the SAU charging installation,” the publication says.

Until now, the loading of ammunition in the ACS is carried out exclusively by hand. With the advent of TZM, this process is accelerated by several times - a full load of X-gun in 50 of art-shots is reloaded from 2-X66-1 to the installation in a few minutes.

“Each artillery battalion will include one transport-loading vehicle 2Ф66-1. Thanks to its use, the rate of fire of artillery units will increase by 2 – 3 times, and the time for replenishing ammunition will be significantly reduced. Now transport-charging machines, similar to the Russian 2F66-1, are part of the latest Swedish wheeled howitzer Archer. The product, made on the chassis of a Volvo A30D truck, carries a little more than 40 projectiles, which it loads into the combat compartment of the SAU also using a manipulator. Similar in their tactical and technical characteristics of the TZM are also part of the divisions of the French SAU Caesar ", - told the source in the Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[Banishing liberoids]

And before tezemku for sau it wasn’t fate to come up with-say, even when hyacinth and cloves appeared in the army, then you had to think about it

[lelikas]

Then there were many soldiers, and now, few;).

[Samaritan]

As always, a video to help, for those interested ...


from 16:30 minutes

[your1970]

for Gradov long ago, TZM were

[Incvizitor]

I understand the speech about her.
On the "Army 16" was just behind the "mstoy".

[There is an opinion]

And where is the revolver?

[x.andvlad]

And here he is.
Pretty solid mechanism. It is a pity I did not find a practical demonstration of its action.

[x.andvlad]

It seems to me that one TZM is not enough for a division. You need at least one per battery.

[okko077]

Very good information, but not more. Much more interesting is the issue of target designation for this SPG. It is interesting how the target coordinates are provided for this system with a firing range of up to 30 km only with conventional projectiles. In the performance characteristics it is written that with the help of the ASUNO "Success-S" system It is doubtful that such a primitive system using only visual means in the daytime and at night can fully provide target designation for such an effective, rapid-fire system. Why cannot use UAVs. With this direction connected are two absolutely false statements that "Wikipedia" presents to us. The first is that target designation for MSTs is provided by ESU TZ "Constellation-M". Firstly, this completely inoperative and outdated system does not work, as it was created for show, and secondly, it does not interact with the UAV. Lack of performance. But this is related to the second nonsense information on Wikipedia. It is associated with the UAV "ORLAN 10". It is written that this UAV provides the issuance of target coordinates in real time using the ESU TK, provided that the coordinates of known reference objects on the route are known and stored in memory. Think about all this nonsense. Enter the coordinates of objects to position the position of the UAV on the route in order to determine the coordinates of possible targets? And with the help of a non-working ESU TZ? And you read these tales and think that we have UAVs in the army that determine and transmit the coordinates of targets in real time ... Nothing, instead, spotters of fire ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: okko077

The performance characteristics say that with the help of the ASUNO "Success-S" system, it is doubtful that such a primitive system, using only visual aids in the daytime and at night, can fully provide target designation for such an effective, rapid-fire system.

Uh ... Do you even know what ASUNO is? What the hell are "visuals" ???
In short, materiel.

[okko077]

Lopatov, just for you in more detail. ASUNO receives coordinates from ASU "Machine-M". But read for yourself. Just pay attention to the performance characteristics of this system ..... I want to laugh and cry at the same time ...
LINKS
1.http: //armsdata.net/russia/0168.html. ;
2.http: //armsdata.net/russia/0170.html. .
Or maybe you are still picking out the coordinates of targets somewhere else? By phone, or smartphone, by radio.

[Lopatov]

Quote: okko077

ASUNO receives coordinates from ASU "Machine-M"

8))) They used a newfangled name, and the whole meaning was lost. "Machine-M" has always been a KMU-Complex of Machines Controls. And as the name implies, the complex is designed primarily for Management artillery division.

Well, the reconnaissance capabilities of the battalion equipped with the "Machine-M" CMU are not limited to the means located on the battalion commander's vehicle and the battery commander's vehicles. There are external KNP and NP, there is a regular PRP. In addition, the complex receives reconnaissance. information from outside. From the senior artillery chief and along the line of the infantry.
Here, for example, a motorized rifle brigade. Two SAU divisions and MLRS division. Do you think that the goals that the BUAR of the artillery brigade detects are being archived? Are all these SNAR and ARSOM radars, sound reconnaissance, drones, optical reconnaissance just for beauty in the state?
And does the infantry have an order to never give the artillerymen the coordinates of their targets?

[your1970]

One of the most important tasks of BU and AR has always been the georeferencing of the terrain / route, topographic tracers in the composition appeared almost immediately after the Second World War. And without georeferencing to points that have coordinates, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get the coordinates of targets in conditions WITHOUT satellites. GLONASS will work - it’s wonderful, there will be no and / or the equipment will be screwed-up on the map, like 50 years ago, the last option is the PAB-2M compass in hand and forward.
For firing with such calibers, it’s enough ...

[Lopatov]

But now there is GLONASS .. And the ZhPS have not yet been blocked. Create high-precision terrain maps, geodetic networks. To connect to this business also a satellite constellation, UAV, aviation.
In turn, having a sufficient number of landmarks with exact coordinates on the ground, it is possible to use ANNs, even old ones, with accuracy sufficient for artillery.
Well, it is also necessary to develop ANN. It seems like the French are now in this field in the forefront. Take advantage of the Chinese experience. Steal and copy.

Boussol is not an option either. Astronomy for them seems to be covered, now only with gyrocompasses it is possible to determine the correction. And the "box" with a magnetic needle itself ... is somewhat outdated. And you can't attach it to every SPG.

[okko077]

But to use UAVs, radars, information from helicopters, airplanes is this weak in our information age? Do you know what a global information system is. Bead ...? In Syria, we cannot do anything with beads and satellites, and these are advanced armed forces ...?

[your1970]

and I’ll continue, they all unanimously forgot about the enemy’s electronic warfare, about all kinds of interference, etc. We plan to fight not with the Papuans, but with one of the strongest world powers, during which everything is possible ... and the satellites can suddenly end at once, and drones, they are also an expensive thing, that is, not massively reproducible .....
GIS is a good thing, only it is too early to bury a compass ...

[okko077]

And you, you need to chew everything and put it in your mouth, or is it such a way to cling to words, but not to see the essence? And what am I wrong in?

[Lopatov]

Precisely "chew" if you try to crush people with pseudoscience.

ASUNO, as the name implies, is located on the tool / installation. And is engaged in the guidance of this instrument / package of guides. Accordingly, it receives nothing but information in digital form. No "visual aids"

[okko077]

You are engaged in verbiage, in short, your MSTA will shoot with direct fire? They explain to you that there is no one to give out such digital information, there are no systems, there is no UAV ... And the MLRS "Tornado-S" shoots at 180 km, but where?

[your1970]

EVERYTHING IS LOST!!!
shot in the 40s at 18 km - and the strangest thing was - both we and the Germans .. Nothing fundamentally changed, only the speed of preparatory calculations for the shooting increased ..

[Lopatov]

I do not do "verbiage", I conduct an educational program.

Quote: okko077

no one to give out such digital information

That is, as "no one"? eight)))))))

[4bas]

If you had at least had an idea of ​​how artillery fire is being conducted from closed fire positions, you would not have asked such questions.

[okko077]

The same people sit in headquarters and do not know how to win in Syria. They, too, have not changed anything. But others live in a modern world undergoing an information revolution. What is modern war, what is network-centric warfare? It is a shame, we do not know how and do not want to be able .... Swamp .....

[Lopatov]

What the fuck are you going to use artillery in full in Syria? Nah ...

Remember once and for all. For artillery of any army in the world, regardless of the degree of its involvement in "information revolutions", "network centricity" and other Douai theories. For American artillery and for North Korean ...
A. The vast majority of the fire missions performed by artillery are planned. Unplanned - force majeure. This is due to the fact that
B. Artillery is not a spherical horse in a vacuum. Her tasks are infantry support. And do not throw a couple of shells at the truck just discovered in the bushes. And if, for example, a real target is found in the depths of the enemy’s battle formation, and artillery must be fired at a planned target in a ravine in which perhaps is the enemy’s reserve, which perhaps able to delay the infantry, they will shoot at the ravine, and not at the real observable target.
Yes, there are goals that are hit out of turn. SHAHN enemy, NP and KNP, artillery and others like that. Complete list in the Primers. But this exception rather confirms the rule. For these goals are precisely the infantry threatened.
Well, and most importantly, what you apparently do not realize at all
B. The vast majority of targets for artillery are group / areal. Firing a single target is a wild force majeure. This is a long time. it is ineffective. And for armored targets, it does not apply at all. Only precision munitions.

Quote: okko077

It is a shame, we do not know how and do not want to be able .... Swamp .....

What the hell is "able"? Sharp as an electric broom to detect a single target and immediately. wasting no time, open fire on it. Without taking into account the tactical situation ???
Give each battery several UAVs and arrange a "free hunt" ???

It is too long. This requires a huge expenditure of shells, it is fraught with the fact that the surviving infantry, having suffered huge losses through your fault, simply sends you for a walk in the gully. One way.

[your1970]

artillery - in general, the thing is quite conservative - no one canceled the protection of the infantry ..
Apparently the opponent simply does not imagine what the spread of shells is during normal live firing, and how many guns / shells are needed to destroy a single target ...

[pv1005]

Quote: okko077

The same people sit in headquarters and do not know how to win in Syria. They, too, have not changed anything. But others live in a modern world undergoing an information revolution. What is modern war, what is network-centric warfare? It is a shame, we do not know how and do not want to be able .... Swamp .....

In short, classical, everything is around (censorship does not pass) and only you are one Dartanyan. How could you have fought without you?

[Homo]

Quote: okko077

Very good information, but no more. A much more interesting issue is the provision of target designation for this self-propelled guns.

A very "smart" thought. But out of place. When will you learn to write on a topic? Maybe you should have written: "Yars or Sarmat, much more interesting, etc."!

[Lopatov]

Each artillery division will include one 2F66-1 transport-loading vehicle. Thanks to its use, the rate of fire of artillery units will increase by 2–3 times, and the time to replenish ammunition will be significantly reduced.

I wonder how it is? Again, the Ministry of Defense was not a specialist, but an "effective manager"?
- The rate of fire will not change. It does not depend on the load time of the transported BC.
- The time of replenishment of the BC for units will not change. Simply replenishing with TZM is more convenient. Many operations can be done in advance. But if they plan on one machine per division ... It's like giving one shovel to an infantry platoon. Of course, there will be some increase in productivity. But the basic cubature, as before, will be taken out by small infantry shovels.

How it's done now: there is, for example, an SPG platoon. A car drove along the line, the fighters removed and laid the required number of capping with shots near each car. After that, the loaders from the ground, together with the mechanic, the gunner and the loader shell, serve the ammunition, if necessary, they are loaded, and thrown onto conveyors. Inside the vehicle, the commander "prescribes" the projectiles, the charging charger places the charges in their regular places.

With the use of TPM, the stage of ammunition maintenance (cleaning from "pushers" / conservation grease, pieces of paper) and oxidation can be done in advance. And if there is one TPM for one ACS, then the replenishment will be made faster, moreover, without the participation of the calculation. If there is one of them per division ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: okko077

And to use UAVs, radars, information from helicopters, airplanes is this weak in our information age?

Again money for the fish ... Damn, it's not about ASUNO, it's about the methods of topographic location. And again your cute "set". And if we recall ballistic training here, will you also start broadcasting about the need for UAVs?

Understand that artillery is a lot more complicated than you think.

[infantryman2020]

One TZM per division is ridiculous. Just do not say that this is such a cost savings.
For example, the Americans TZM M992 - for each SG type M109A ... This is a real increase in combat capabilities. Moreover, they have a unified base chassis, that is, cross-country ability and security are also unified.