Zakharova explained to the Prime Minister of the Netherlands what should be considered "absurd" in the situation with "Boeing"

The representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, in her “Facebook” responded to the Dutch prime minister, who called Moscow’s absurd claims about the work of the investigative team over the collapse of the Malaysian “Boeing” in the Donbass.

“It’s absurd for a few months not to include Malaysia in the joint investigation team and not to let experts come to the crash site of“ Boeing ”under the pretext of their security”, - newspaper quotes Zakharov Look.

“And the absurd is not to collect all the wreckage of the aircraft and leave them to rot in the fields for several months. And, of course, the absurd is not to report to the Security Council (UN) on the progress of the investigation, inventing your own reporting forms. And to consider the data of objective control as insignificant (Russian radar stations) is absurd in the square ”, - stressed the representative of the Foreign Ministry.

Recall, on Monday, Ambassador Renée Jones-Bose of the Netherlands was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry, where she was given serious arguments about Moscow’s rejection of the working methods and conclusions of the investigative team.

“The Russian side still believes that they (the methods of work) were distinguished by secretiveness, opacity and bias. It was pointed out that it was unacceptable to ignore important objective information provided by the Russian side, which undermines the cooperation of Russian experts with the investigation and also compromises the efforts being made to establish a true picture of the tragedy, ”the ministry said.

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[DIVAN SOLDIER]

To whom she proves, no one listens to our gestures in the west. From the very beginning, when the Boeing was shot down, it was clear that we would be to blame, even if we had a thousand evidence of innocence.

[Hunt]

So is it like that, just what to do, be silent and worry about what is being done unfairly to us? No! At all levels to speak, even on ours at VO, a lot of people around the world visit the site! He who has ears, let him hear!

[_Vladislav_]

No matter what Zakharova says, no one will hear her in the west. Because the Western media simply do not publish or broadcast public statements of this kind. For example, how many times has been in Frankfurt, the content of Deutsche Welle is fundamentally different from the same RT. On the pages of newspapers you can only read about how, for example, the United States breaks the attitude and what the State Department thinks about it, and not a word that Russians think about it. Thus, a stable opinion is formed - that the Russians are evil, bad people.

[Temples]

it was clear that we would be to blame

If you consider yourself guilty - this is your problem and the victory over you of Western eXperts.

Zakharova's work is working.
He speaks the language spoken by the Foreign Ministry.

Do you have a complaint to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

What kind of panic do you have?

No matter what Zakharova says, no one will hear her in the west.

Heard already.
And listen to every breath.
This is a fact.
Unwind the "tape" for at least a year.

Just do not wait for the West to suddenly change and welcome the Russian world.
And then it will be the same - they have their own song, we have our own.
We are different and different interests.

Do not squander comrades.

[atalef]

Quote: _Vladislav_

No matter what Zakharova says, no one will hear her in the west. Because the Western media simply do not publish or broadcast public statements of this kind.

Broadcast. Like the latest statement by the Foreign Ministry

The head of the Dutch diplomatic mission was presented with arguments that one cannot ignore the objective information provided by the Russian side about the investigation of the plane crash in the sky over the Donbass in July 2014. The Foreign Ministry believes that this undermines the cooperation of Russian experts with the investigation, and also compromises the investigation. This explains Russia’s refusal to recognize the intermediate results of the investigation and doubts about its objectivity.

“The Russian side urged The Hague to carefully examine the primary radar data recently transmitted by Russia, which are the most objective evidence of what actually happened in the sky over Ukraine at the time of the disaster”, - declared in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

In particular, Russia asks experts to qualify the fact that Ukraine has not closed the airspace over the Donbass, despite the battles with the separatists.

I (as any normal human being, I think) have a lot to do with this statement on the 2 issue.
1. Why did the primary radar data have been transmitted only now and not a year or two ago? Does it seem to be positioned as the most important and indisputable evidence of why it was stored somewhere in 2 of the year?
2. Since when is a country that has not closed airspace more guilty than a rocket launching party?

Quote: _Vladislav_

. For example, how many times have been in Frankfurt, the content of Deutsche Welle is fundamentally different from the same RT

Have you ever seen that what the media (Russia) give out for domestic use and abroad - are fundamentally different?

Quote: _Vladislav_

Thus, a stable opinion is formed - that the Russians are evil, bad people.

Come on you are all soft and fluffy.
In the West, there are only solid gays and perverts, America, with its economy, is falling into the abyss and will be bent tomorrow, China is simply vomiting for Russia, Erdogan is a friend.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: atalef

Come on you are all soft and fluffy.
In the West, there are only solid gays and perverts, America, with its economy, is falling into the abyss and will be bent tomorrow, China is simply vomiting for Russia, Erdogan is a friend.

)))))

[guzik007]

Atalefu Almost completely agree with you, except for one point:
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2. Since when is a country that has not closed airspace more guilty than a rocket launching party?
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In your opinion, has it been unequivocally proved that these acts were committed by different countries?
Even if we take into account that the beech was still released from the territory of Ukraine, even though it is claimed that the militia, but still from the Ukrainian territory?

[atalef]

Quote: guzik007

2. Since when country not closing airspace is more guilty than side rocket launched?
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In your opinion, has it been unequivocally proved that these acts were committed by different countries?
Even if we take into account that the beech was still released from the territory of Ukraine, even though it is claimed that the militia, but still from the Ukrainian territory?

I have written - PARTY.

[mealnik2005]

I (as any normal human being, I think) have a lot to do with this statement on the 2 issue.
1. Why did the primary radar data have been transmitted only now and not a year or two ago? Does it seem to be positioned as the most important and indisputable evidence of why it was stored somewhere in 2 of the year?
2. Since when is a country that has not closed airspace more guilty than a rocket launching party?

1. A MO briefing with detailed explanations a week after the tragedy, do you think is information hiding? All results have been reported.
2. And who launched the rocket? Russia's accusations based on photos from social networks are a forensic masterpiece. Where is the unveiling of US satellite images? Where are the dispatchers talking? Do not want to provide until they edit? In two years they could have tried.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: atalef

the radar was transmitted only now and not a year or two ago

I think there will be an explanation, because any normal person has questions, but I am sure that normal people are working in MO, there was no need to substitute them. In any case, a friend from UNIAN sent sand for comment to the Defense Ministry. Let's see.

Quote: atalef

Since when is a country that has not closed airspace more guilty than a rocket launching party?

Is the guilty party known? While Ukraine is responsible for its airspace, it turned out to be among the beneficiaries of the tragedy.

Quote: atalef

In the West, only solid gays and perverts,

Not all, judging by the 2 millionth demonstration in France of opponents of the legalization of gay marriage, but their opinion was ignored. It turns out gay people dominate?

[Simpsonian]

Quote: atalef

Laughter actually takes it all apart.
The behavior (in terms of throwing away dozens of official versions and iron evidence) resembles .... Does it resemble nothing?

It reminds one Israeli bat, which under each article is the same crap ...

Russia hasn’t put forward a single official version,
holes in the MH-17 iron cab correspond to a 30mm gun
all reports of "Anthea" - "if" it was "Buk".

Was it bad again in Israel with aliyah? anti-Semitism must be inflated.

[atalef]

Quote: Just

At the end of July 2014, the specialists of NPO LEMZ JSC, as part of the scheduled maintenance work, replaced the data carriers from the head processors of the Ust-Donetsk Utes-T route radar containing data on the air situation for July 2014, including - July 17, 2014 in the area of ​​the Malaysian Boeing crash over Ukraine.
Until now, the seized data carriers from the head processors were stored exclusively at the enterprise for the purpose of further monitoring the quality of the system:

Or falsification of data.

Quote: Just

The plant’s specialists, having checked the archival information stored at the enterprise for quality control of the TRLC operation, revealed the presence of possibly interesting materials for the July 17 2014 of the year

And before that, neither the Moscow Region, nor Almaz Antey, nor the TFR assumed that the availability of this information was yet another iron proof.
Laughter actually takes it all apart.
The behavior (in terms of throwing away dozens of official versions and iron evidence) resembles .... Does it resemble nothing?

Quote: Just

We are talking about the so-called primary radar images of airspace in raw form.
raw data was not provided, but this record (from 2016) was provided

Why didn’t she introduce herself?
So the record is yes, but not processed - no. Probably did not have time to process.

[Simple]

Quote: atalef

1. Why the data of the primary radar was transmitted only now and not a year -

At the end of July 2014, the specialists of NPO LEMZ JSC, as part of the scheduled maintenance work, replaced the data carriers from the head processors of the Ust-Donetsk Utes-T route radar containing data on the air situation for July 2014, including - July 17, 2014 in the area of ​​the Malaysian Boeing crash over Ukraine.
Until now, the seized data carriers from the head processors were stored exclusively at the enterprise with the aim of further monitoring the quality of the system: identifying and analyzing possible malfunctions and preventing possible errors in the operation of the complex.
In July 2016, following an official request from the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation to Concern East Kazakhstan Almaz-Antey JSC to provide all available information on the Malaysian plane crash to assist the international investigation, relevant requests were sent to the enterprises that are part of the Concern, including and at NPO LEMZ JSC.
The plant’s specialists, having checked the archive information stored at the enterprise for quality control of the TRLC operation, revealed the presence of materials possibly of interest to the investigation for the 17 of July 2014 of the year. We are talking about the so-called primary radar images of airspace in raw form.
raw data was not provided, but this record (from 2016) was provided

read ATTENTIVELY:

https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/
1006 / debcd724fe7breport-mh17-crash.pdf

Ukrainians provided the same

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At the request of ICAO, countries are required to retain such data for 30 days, and in the event of incidents and incidents, a longer period. However, the Federal Air Transport Agency of the Russian Federation did not provide the necessary information: the disaster occurred outside of Russia, so the Russian side is not obliged to store this information.
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manipulations with raw data are practically excluded and meaningless, maybe
https://www.flightradar24.com/60,15/6


Maybe ours were waiting for the "readiness" of the report to omit both the Dutch and the Ukrainians from their raw data?
The world never saw the "secondary data" and ADS-B data ANNOUNCED in the report of the Dutch prosecutor's office and the video of the TRLK of Ukraine

There is a link to the ugly ones in the report, but where is the video?
WHERE ARE THE IMPRESSIVE PRESS CONFERENCE OF THE APU, AVAKOV, PARASHENKO with these video data?

Quote: atalef

2. Since when is a country that has not closed airspace more guilty than a rocket launching party?

1.) Which country LAUNCHED THE ROCKET? specifically. Link.
Do not rush like poop!
2.) "not closed"?
KAKLY write in their defense (not providing raw data)
Ukraine could not control part of its territory, part of the UkrAeroRukh technique It was located in the occupied territory, so the Ukrainian dispatchers worked on secondary data, which made it possible to conduct passenger sides through the ATO zone.
This is confirmed by the Dutch prosecutor's office
3.) 3 July 1988 year. Iran Air Airbus A300B2-203 airliner made a commercial passenger flight IR655 on the route Tehran-Bandar Abbas-Dubai, but a few minutes after departure from Bandar Abbas, flying over the Persian Gulf, it was hit by a ground-to-air missile launched from US Navy Vincennes missile cruiser. Killed all 290 people on board the aircraft (16 crew members and 274 passengers, including 65 children). During the launch of the missile, the cruiser Vincennes was located in the territorial waters of Iran.
According to government official statements The US airliner was mistakenly identified by the Vincennes cruiser as an attacking Iranian military aircraft. The 655 flight (Airbus A300B2-203) flew along a profile resembling the F-14A “Tomcat” attack profile , held by the Iranian Air Force. In addition, the plane took off from the Bender Abbas airport, which served not only as a commercial airport, but also as the Iranian F-14 airfield.
4) flight LN 114 on the route Tripoli - Benghazi - Cairo - Alexandria - Bahrain 21 on February 1973 two Israeli fighter F-4E Phantom II Israeli air forces over Occupied (at that time) Israel Sinai Peninsula opened fire to defeat PASSENAISERIS conditions of perfect visibility and WHEN he turned to the West.
Explanation of Israeli pilots: Libyan flag on the keel mixed up with Egyptian

30 ICAO participating companies voted to condemn Israel, the United States abstained from condemnation, and the UN found no reason for any sanctions against the country.

On the issue of the "Malaysian Boeing" ..
whose cows would moo, BUT JEWISH AND AMERICAN ALREADY WOULD BE SUSPENDED EXACTLY BETTER.

Quote: atalef

- are fundamentally different?

Well, cardinally, I’ll lie.

[nekot]

Quote: atalef

Broadcast. Like the latest statement by the Foreign Ministry

pliz, an example of broadcasting the latest statements of the Foreign Ministry?
"Since when has a country that has not closed its airspace more guilty than the side that fired the missile?"
Substitution of concepts: who says that someone is more to blame? They ask for an assessment of this fact, especially since no matter who launches the rocket, most likely (as the Dutch say) it was launched by mistake (if not by mistake then the only beneficiary is Ukraine), and the tragedy itself became possible precisely due to the non-closure of airspace over the combat zone, that is, this is the root cause. Although, of course, Ukrainian air defense back in 2001 proved that any aircraft in the vicinity of its airspace is in danger.

[Aleksander]

Quote: atalef

I (as any normal human being, I think) have a lot to do with this statement on the 2 question. 1. Why did the primary radar data have been transmitted only now and not a year or two ago? Does it seem to be positioned as the most important and indisputable evidence of why it was stored somewhere in 2 of the year?

A person interested in this story does NOT have a similar question. I am sure that you also know about the briefing by the Deputy General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation from 21.07.2014. Then the meaning of the question is incomprehensible (in addition, of course, to fool readers and look at their reaction). Yeah...

From the statement:
Dear representatives of the media!

Ladies and Gentlemen!

In connection with the July 17 crash of a Malaysian Airlines Boeing-777 passenger plane flying along the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur international air route, a lot of conflicting information has recently appeared. Therefore, the Russian Ministry of Defense counted necessary to submitheld by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, objective control data.

Etc.

Quote: atalef

2. Since when is a country that has not closed airspace more guilty than a rocket launching party?

From all time and time: its action (or rather, criminal inaction) to admit the aircraft to the danger zone was PRIMARY, entailing already secondary-downing of the aircraft. BUT normal countries with such prohibitions in such situations saved dozens of aircraft.

Who is to blame for the danger to the aircraft over the volcano? A volcano or a country that has not blocked access to the zone above the volcano? According to your logic, the volcano

[faridg7]

Quote: atalef

2. Since when is a country that has not closed airspace more guilty than a rocket launching party?

Your practice, you hollow the Syrian army in response to the shelling of the terrorists, arguing that the government is responsible for everything that happens in the country, why should it be different in Ukraine?

[Saint George]

1. The timing of the transmission of information from radars is connected with the commission of inquiry in the Netherlands. We first proposed to them to analyze the secondary data, what we observed on the screens, but this did not suit the commission and they asked for the primary data that goes from the antennas themselves to the processors for processing. Also, time was lost to extract this data from the memory of the radars. Therefore, there is no mysticism here, the timing of the transmission of such information is to blame for the West itself. He is not interested in these data, they are at odds with their position and they are doing this in every possible way to delay the process, forcing Russia to carry out often unnecessary actions.
2. It is always the fault of the country that could have stopped the catastrophe first, and this is Ukraine, which did nothing. And what if another civilian plane was shot down by the Ukrainian air defense? Who would you blame then? There is a precedent for the Russian Tu-154, which the Ukrainians shot down over the black sea. An apology has not yet been received, which means Ukraine does not admit its guilt. This is arrogance, which confirms the dishonesty of Ukrainian intentions in the investigation of the Boeing crash over Donbas. "The thief has already been caught by the hand, so he tries to get away for the second time."
3. And how do you see this process of transmitting distorted information to the Russian media abroad? I imagine this only with the help of the media that work abroad. These include RT. And we can watch this channel on-line, and makes a comparison between what we transmit and what the western channels report.

[ivan48857]

They did not read the article carefully - "Representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova answered the Prime Minister of the Netherlands in her Facebook". What does it have to do with the Western media that do not broadcast something there. FB can be read by anyone in the world.

[victorsh]

Dear! To our great regret, ours conduct videoconferences for SPETSOV. This is me, who served as an officer in the air defense (RTV, ZRV) for 24 years and has a class-master (you will be surprised, but I am the deputy for VR and I personally took the chief of division headquarters for class). to understand their report. But for a "stupid" western man in the street, one should be "simpler".

[guzik007]

layman should be "simpler"
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... It couldn't be easier, a primitive cartoon, and that's it! ! The stupid western man in the street "with the air of a connoisseur will lean back on the sofa and say the sacramental:" Martha! I thought so! these are all angry Russians "and she is relieved to finish her hamburger.

[asbond]

"

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

To whom she proves, no one listens to our gestures in the west. From the very beginning, when the Boeing was shot down, it was clear that we would be to blame, even if we had a thousand evidence of innocence.

These are discoveries from the series "The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea". Do we need these zombies to listen to us? We need to do what we need ... Inside the country, those who wanted to understand - and good! And trying to convince the Western man in something is naive, there is still zombie at an unattainable height!

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: asbond

Do we need these zombies to listen to us?

Yes, exactly - zombies are obliged to listen, especially foreign ones. To shape public opinion, and to set the desired vector of foreign policy.
How zombies are born is just one source of information, that's all. You listen to only one point of view. You have no alternative and you are forced to agree and accept such information as the only true one.
He may be glad to take your word for it, but no one will tell your word to him. In general, from the Western media, I noticed a prevailing point of view - the US and the West are trying to do something, the Russians spoil everything and are silent at the same time.
But how are they silent when Zakharova was already embarrassed by the whole language trying to convey our arguments.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: _Vladislav_

Yes, exactly - zombies are obliged to listen, especially foreign ones.

I agree. The question is how to do this, given that the philistine will never be allowed to spud

[Finches]

Mark Rutte - a product of the Western system! They have that the infallibility of the Pope, that the infallibility of themselves is an absolute dogma ... The Orthodox cannot understand!

[Same lech]

Russia appointed sacrificial lamb ...
our liberals sing hosanna to liars from the WEST ... the show continues.

[gray smeet]

The policy is now done like this:

[gray smeet]

In the last couple of days, the West has been slowly discussing the scandal that arose when Bell Wellsman PR employee Martin Wells described how he was creating fake news under the Pentagon’s contract, representing al-Qaeda as a fiend of hell and creating sensational media occasions. In particular, he directed and shot staged videos about the brutality of al-Qaeda, which were then recorded on media - and these media were left on the bodies of Iraqis or in the premises they abandoned.

The Pentagon paid $ 540 million for fakes.

All of this says a lot about the "abundant evidence obtained from sources on the Internet", which Bellingcat and, in their words, the Dutch investigators are waving. Most likely Bellingcat is on the same grant or contract as Bell Potttinger.


http://www.prweek.com/article/1410858/bell-pottin
ger-spotlight-creating-propaganda-videos-us-milit
ary-iraq

[atalef]

Quote: gray smeet

In the last couple of days, the West has been slowly discussing the scandal that arose when Bell Wellsman PR employee Martin Wells described how he was creating fake news under the Pentagon’s contract, representing al-Qaeda as a fiend of hell and creating sensational media occasions

Quote: gray smeet

All of this says a lot about "a lot of evidence obtained from sources on the Internet",

[yawa63]

So, besides this, lay out information about a spontaneously exploded air conditioner, about delivering tactical nuclear strikes - be objective to the end, do not refer to information throws of one of the parties - the other side is clearly no better

[Ivan Ivanov]

All the same, you are talking about different things. In the first case, the PR team was engaged in intentional lies, in the second - it was about unverified data, the girl herself expressed a desire to give an interview, no one was preparing. And by the way, unlike the mentioned PR campaign (a similar one was also carried out by the Serbs), the plot was not replicated on other channels. The same story with the second video, someone sent a picture, Leontyev seized on the journalist.

[Simple]

yep
the presented "zalepukhi" is the result of TV activity and Leontiev's "affor" program (on a salary from Rosneft). This is not a PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE REPORT, or SC.

CNN 20.11.2015: No compromises with Russia on the blood of victims of Paris attacks.

There is only one country that benefits from the bloody terrorist attacks that occurred late in the evening on November 13 in Paris, the world capital of culture and love.

And this country is Russia. Rather, it’s not a country as such, but a regime led by a man who runs one of the most powerful, wealthy, and most dangerous feudal clans in the world.

So, what benefit did Putin derive from the Paris tragedy?

How is diarrhea from CNN better than diarrhea from 1TV.ru?
Does it smell different?

1. The Malaysian "Boeing" was brought into the territory of the DPR deliberately, the shift in the course that took it to the territory of the theater of operations is obviously deliberate. The machinations with the Boeing route are completely identical to the well-known provocation with the South Korean Boeing, which the Americans brought into Soviet airspace in 1983, after which it was shot down.

Why did 17.07.2014 so fly?

2. Boeing worked only with Ukrainian dispatchers - Kiev and Dnipropetrovsk, and it was there that the corridor was displaced north of the usual route. Russia or the militia could not send him to the conflict zone.

3: On Friday, July 18, 2014, President of the United States Barack Obama made a statement in connection with the crash of the Malaysian liner in Ukraine. The head of the American state made his statement from the White House shortly after the speech of US plenipotentiary representative to the UN Samantha Power at an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council.

According to Obama, all evidence indicates that the MH17 flight was shot down by a ground-to-air missile in an area controlled by Russian-backed separatists

Samantha Power openly made it clear that her country does not exclude the participation of Russian personnel in assisting the separatists of Southeast Ukraine in launching a rocket in the Malaysian Boeing.


4. 22.07.2014.
Deputy State Department Spokeswoman Marie Harf:

"The plane was shot down by a missile from the ground, fired from territory controlled by separatists. We we have evidence that Russian-backed separatists have such systems"



5. June 2015 Washington refused to provide data on the downed Boeing 777 in eastern Ukraine. This was stated at a press conference by the representative of the agency Marie Harf. According to her, the United States will not provide Russia with satellite images that capture the crash site of a Malaysian Boeing that crashed near Donetsk.

Why so?

I would like invoices according to paragraphs 3 and 4, but it wasn’t farted by either Leontyev or magazine with 1TV ru.
and the President of the most honest country in the world and his representative (official) in the UN, and not at home, but in the UN and the State Duma in the same way.
AS? provide at least something?

And why on the 14-th page of the interim report the following text was deleted:

A NOTAM notice was circulated regarding airspace restrictions due to the fact that An airplane was shot down on July 14 at an altitude of 6500 meters


A radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down, the senior US official said. A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit, the official said. The United States is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from, the official said.
The Obama administration believes Ukraine did not have the capability in the region - let alone the motivation - to shoot down the plane, a US official told CNN's Jake Tapper.

[guzik007]

It was not worth it, colleague, to spread IT. We have other arguments. Moreover, this is a favorite method of our enemies-hide behind dead children.

[gray smeet]

Quote: guzik007

It was not worth it, colleague, to spread IT. We have other arguments. Moreover, this is a favorite method of our enemies-hide behind dead children.

The first photo does not open ...

[Evil543]

No, it’s necessary to hollow, hollow, maybe for the thousandth time it will reach them like giraffes and then the Dutch and the rest will understand that they were deceived somewhere

[AleksPol]

They are cutting giraffes nationwide for meat. Do not understand

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: Evil543

when the Dutch and the rest will realize that they were cheated somewhere

They won't understand. The installation from the "owner" was not the same.

[Azim77]

Rather, not "when the Boeing was shot down, it was clear that we would be to blame," but "was shot down on purpose to blame the militias and Russia." True, it didn't work out technically, but the goal didn't change ..

[dsm100]

In my opinion, we are the only nation in the world where the brain works in the right direction. They all got stoned or what? I'm awesome.

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Uncle Sam said: "Russia is to blame, period."

[valersvet]

that is what representatives of all nations in the world think, the picture seems to me like that.
Mary offsets!

[Warrior with machine gun]

for the Dutch this is the norm))

[1536]

No, they did not get smoked. They calculated that they would soon have nothing to eat and nothing to heat their nativity scenes and brothels. Ukraine was robbed overnight, they did not even notice how. But Russia is still untouched, rich, filled with oil, gas, industrial enterprises, nuclear power plants, flying into space. And all this is not theirs. From this you can just go crazy quietly. And you can become embittered and begin to prepare for an attack. Which they do. Some are quiet, others are violent. But you can expect anything from them.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And you can become embittered and begin to prepare for an attack.

and this is like an attack, as near Sur-Grave, or near Izvarino, but maybe !!!!!!!!. hahahaha, tode pus attack. petro complete

[EvgNik]

To what Zakharova said, it’s absurd to include Ukraine in the commission of inquiry. Nothing could be more absurd.

[Skubudu]

Any of the vassals of the United States, accepts the death of hundreds of their citizens for the sake of "Big Brother".

[aszzz888]

Maria said it well, but not for those minds and idiots who consider themselves to be the navels of the civilized world.

[Altona]

The plane was shot down by Ukraine at the suggestion of the USA. And now the West is engaged in "bleaching the dog". This must be constantly pointed out.

[Amurets]

Quote: Altona

The plane was shot down by Ukraine at the suggestion of the USA. And now the West is engaged in "bleaching the dog". This must be constantly pointed out.

Well, bleaching can be easier, with bleach or hydrogen peroxide, only for Obama you need to take the maximum concentration.

[Smoked]

Belatedly, they began to call a spade a spade.

[Delink]

Absurdity is that all of Europe and the United States still exist.
Oh, and all our simplicity, good nature and naivety!

[Volodin Dmitry]

We differ from them in that we have simplicity, good-naturedness, honor, decency and many other adjectives that are not known in the West

[Alekseir162]

To prove, to anyone, the obvious thing is, in my opinion, ungrateful. If a person is sincerely mistaken and wants to get to the bottom of the truth, you can help him in some way, explain something, but here is another case, conscience, swam with fat of complacency and well-being. Here, too, as folk wisdom says: “At least a count on your head amuse.” I wish you success, Maria Vladimirovna, and patience.

[major147]

The wreckage of the crashed plane was still smoking, and the culprit had already been appointed. Now they are adjusting and stretching "evidence" under the accusations.

[kuban]

Absurdity is to have such a premiere in the Netherlands. By the absurdity of his statements, he obviously ended up in the same school as the State Deputies.

[cheburator]

And also the absurdity is not to request the data necessary for the investigation from the United States and, of course, from Ukraine, while not using the data provided by Russia. If Russia and the militias are to blame for the assertion of these queers and homosexuals, then why have so far no evidence been provided on their part? One word - G. nids.

[An64]

All wonderful said Zakharova. That's just the radar data appeared the day before the announcement of the results of the investigation, and if you recall, the military briefing in 2014, then according to the radar and the Su-25 it was visible ...

[Simpsonian]

And the holes from the shells of his gun did not disappear.

[Alexander 3]

Here is the question, "Why would Russia shoot down a civilian board?" Why are we so bloodthirsty? Our experts have put everything on the shelves for whom? Indisputable evidence of the non-involvement of the militia does not interest anyone .. Is it really that everyone in the world is so uneducated, if not better.

[nik1321]

Zakharova is doing the right thing and this is the erroneous opinion that no one will hear or find out anything about it. The same people and they also use different sources - including the Internet, of course there are fewer than consumers of TV and newspapers, but they are there not the most stupid part of the population. It is much worse to keep silent aside .. then even if someone wants to find an alternative opinion they will not find it, no matter how they try. And the noise in the Western press is just noise - they get paid for it and nothing more, it (again, in my opinion) you need to pay attention to no more than barking dogs from the gateway.

[sergej30003]

there is a war going on and its name is information, while it rumbles on distant frontiers and there is nothing new here, the states carry out provocations on the territory of their vassals and will always blame Russia as an internationally independent country, the Western world will not hear the truth anyway, and this must be understood , for granted and stop making excuses, you just need to blame, because the force is in the truth, and it is on our side

[Batia]

Customers inf. wars with Russia will try to "zamylit2 all these answers. BUT! They are doing the right thing, no need to be silent. Somewhere and to someone the infa will reach. A grain by grain ... and there will be a final result.

[volodya]

It seems useless to convince those who do not want to listen to anything!

[Titsen]

Of course, I am very far from modern diplomacy, but I am sure that it is not necessary to write on Facebook, but send protest notes in response to such unfriendly statements!

[rotmistr60]

And to consider the data of objective control (Russian radars) insignificant is absurd squared

All is correct. It just doesn’t seem to you, then the whole world has become a theater of the absurd with the filing of the West, and are we just actors in it?

[Sakhalin.]

And what is the result of these statements? Nobody counts with us, and therefore it’s easier not to comment on these ghouls. Do your thing silently, confidently and until victory.

[kizhe]

Zakharova is clever. It is necessary to speak and explain unequivocally. Europeans have a somewhat different process of thinking about different situations. What does a European do to reduce the amount of water drained into the toilet? He buys a smaller volumetric cistern (or the entire toilet). What does Russian do? He just puts a brick in the tank, thereby reducing the volume of the tank.

[BOB044]

Russia is already entered in the column of the culprit. This state sold its citizens for the sake of politics. So they pee in their eyes and they all God's race.

[1536]

The Americans confused Russia with Serbia. Probably they were let down again by geography. Having found the city of Belgorod on a map of Russia, the Americans were extremely surprised by this fact. After all, they already bombed Belgrade. What kind of obsession?

[ruskih]

When I read comments that they don’t hear and print us in the West, a logical question arises: Does the briefing take place in an empty hall or are there only our journalists? Not.
Is someone tracking publications? I think so. Why invite journalists who do not write about this in their publications? For mass? For check?
And of course we need to speak and write so that we are heard.

[uskrabut]

The Dutch Prime Minister doesn’t care, but the Russian people are pleased. So their damned, Masha, so!

[Atenon]

beautiful strong-willed woman !!!

[Lelek]

atalef,

Blah blah. The country in which the hostilities take place MUST close the skies in the area of ​​these actions. And don't fucking look for some squiggles. Even countries conducting military exercises or missile test launches cover the skies in these areas and warn all countries about it. So, "don't screw your brains, they are not your legs."

[Iskander Sh]

All this is empty. Maybe enough lies? So it’s clear that ours was accidentally shot down. We lie to ourselves only doing worse.

[Moskal 55]

Your shot down, willingly believe. Please remove our flag from your label, please, and your yellow-blue or star-striped hang!
It was profitable for you, so they shot down.

[Iskander Sh]

You write nonsense. Why Ukrainians shoot from Bukov? The militia has no aviation, our planes did not violate the borders of Ukraine. But ours covered the militia, from Ukrainian aviation and Ukrainian planes regularly fell. Even the first news was shot down by AN-26, but it wasn’t AN and the news was removed. This is collateral damage during the fighting, a random mistake.

This is a mistake that is expensive and will be even more expensive if our authorities continue to deny. Even the investigation was advanced to 2018, just under the Russian presidential election.

[Evil 55]

This is not absurd, it is elementary incompetence, the costs of the Bologna education system, bachelors from the Netherlands simply do not know how to investigate disasters ..

[Michael V.]

Well, they called this ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, asked questions, and then what? For the Dutch, voice from a puddle is more important than our thousand voices. I’m not talking about Malaysia at all.

[Leeder]

Quote: atalef

Why was the primary radar data transmitted only now and not a year or two ago? Does it seem to be positioned as the most important and indisputable evidence of why it was stored for about 2 years?

A counter question, - the Americans from the very beginning claimed that they have pictures of Buk with the launch of a rocket.
Where are they?
I think, having such evidence, no one would have objections, and nothing had to be investigated.

[Vasilij Pereira]

In the States, looked at the pictures and realized where the rocket flew from, so shut up!

[Oleg Grunin]

Quote: _Vladislav_

No matter what Zakharova says, no one will hear her in the west. Because the Western media simply do not publish or broadcast public statements of this kind. For example, how many times has been in Frankfurt, the content of Deutsche Welle is fundamentally different from the same RT. On the pages of newspapers you can only read about how, for example, the United States breaks the attitude and what the State Department thinks about it, and not a word that Russians think about it. Thus, a stable opinion is formed - that the Russians are evil, bad people.

Unfortunately in Australia, the same thing. They comment on only one side, the other side has no opportunity to speak out.

[andrewkor]

They ssssyyyy in the eye, all God's dew !!

[afrikanez]

If we "shave" these accusations, it will be very, very ashamed, both for the downed Boeing and for our Paralympians. You don't have to let this down just like that.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

atalef,
and in 2001, which side slaughtered the carcass in the Kerch Strait with your brothers and sisters by blood? By the way, today is October 4th, does not inspire anything?

[mr.redpartizan]

Yes, do not care about the opinion pod3,14ndosnikov. It is time to declare the EU and the United States terrorist organizations from the highest stands, which even the USSR did not dare to do. Empires of the past did not destroy foreign lands for the sake of chaos, but attached them to themselves or simply exploited them, but never shouted about democracy and human rights. It was a normal struggle between nations for a place in the sun, and these creatures destroy millions of people under humanitarian pretexts. Where is the logic here? The Third Reich at least honestly admitted that the war is being fought to expand living space, and not to bring Aboriginal people to democratic values.