Lies and truth about the deaths of soldiers in Boguchar

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Another opus performed by Vladimir Vashchenko published "Gazeta.ru", thereby triggering a rather strong reaction in the media and the Internet community. A rather heartbreaking material about the state of affairs in the 54046 military unit, which tells how terrible the life of all the soldiers in Boguchar is.





Since we were in this military unit a month and a half ago, we observed it with our own eyes and talked quite tightly without a camera with personnel from privates to senior officers, it somehow doesn’t allow conscience to stand aside.

The fact is that not everyone in our army today is as beautiful as we would like. With such an investment in it ... But to write outright nonsense and fiction just to imagine everything in the spirit of 90's is a bust.

I said, I say and I will say that the most vile lie is when 20-25 percent of truth is added to it. Here is the case, only you can’t scrape even 20%, even if you kill yourself.

So, what we have according to Boguchar.

I will issue a few in the wrong order, as in that article, it will come out more consistently and logically. There, the author simply took all the dirt that could be invented, and dumped it without bothering at all. And we will go in order. Based on what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.

Come on.

1. In part, the uttermost mess in terms of security and safety.

“According to the former soldier (Nikiforov. - Comm. Aut.), In his memory the military unit repeatedly failed checks for anti-terrorist readiness.

“This is when the uncle walks quietly wherever he wants to go, and then comes to the commander or his deputy, shows a certain“ crust ”and says:“ Well, I am a “terrorist”, I have already “blown up” several times. In my memory, a part did not pass this test even once, ”Nikiforov noted.”


The revelations of this Nikiforov, who was the “clerk of one of the platoons”, are doubtful, which did not prevent him from being aware of the details of being at the battalion level. And to have "reliable" information that "one of the battalions has an article for exceeding its authority." This is simply to the question "was there a boy."

From myself I can say that in terms of paranoia, frank and unconvincing, in terms of secrecy, this part outdid all I visited. And leading by such a margin that the hair stand on end. Even Rabbits in Kursk, who work with a really new and secret technique, nervously smoke on the sidelines.

You can enter the territory of this military unit and walk there. In a dream or under drugs. We were admitted after half an hour of approval and under the watchful eye of an employee of the HRT department. Protection of state secrets.

So, as these defenders of the GT got, I was not reached anywhere else. Politely, culturally, with a hint of my intellect.

“Well, you understand that you can not shoot everything?”

“You after shooting will show us what you took?”

“Will it not be difficult for you to remove what we ask if necessary?”

In the end, I yelled openly. Yes, mother of God, the tsarina-intercessor (exemplary translation), what the hell do you have? T-72, taken out of GSVG? BMP-3? "Acacia"? Where are the secrets ???

In response, such a polite smile. Understanding. We have, like, our own work, you have your own.

By the way, the training process at the test site was quietly released to shoot without an escort. But it cost me, along with one of the platoons, to return to the territory of the unit, as the demonic guard of the ZGT immediately drew himself. Apparently, the fighters who sat on the tower, at the entrance to the range, reported on the radio. Three persons. With walkie-talkie and machine gun. Also so ... unobtrusive.

I had plans to take pictures on the territory of the unit, but again this lieutenant politely asked me to return to the car, and without the need not leave her. And about the shooting of the part, he also politely informed that he hadn’t asked for this permission, which means ... I wrote out such a polite bolt from the BTR.

You can, of course, say that this is for us all so tense. However, already on the road, they witnessed how the outfit at the checkpoint was enthusiastically shmonal a car that brought back buckles with water for coolers. I had to wait, there the two cars just would not go. I got out of my vehicle and asked the driver of “Gazelle”, who quietly smoked near his car, for how long. No, says now finish. "Are they always like this?" - I asked. Yes, calmly answered drove, I'm already used to. I have a time-based payment, in the office everyone is aware that it is here for a long time, so let them have fun ...

In general, I simply do not believe that a person in a civilian environment can so calmly walk through the territory of a unit without attracting attention. With the check-in service, everything is there ... in short, there is a bust, but it is better that way.

2. On the inhuman conditions of life.

“We live in tents all year round. You understand that you cannot bring a family with children to such conditions. ”

Also 5% truth. “All year round” is from June to September. It was in June that the transfer of the motorized rifle brigade to Boguchar ended. And began the preparation for work on site.

Yes, I agree with the fact that in Mulino conditions of life were magical. Talked about this and contractors, and officers. Of course, when to Nizhny Novgorod, where most of the servicemen lived half an hour on a minibus, this is fine. And then on you - Boguchar. Which though and the regional center, but ... And to Voronezh 250 km. With all that it implies. And to the bottom almost a thousand ...

I talked on this topic with one of the senior officers. But not very. “Odnushka” service in Boguchar is not a “treshka” in Nizhny, where the whole family remained.

But let's face it.

The first one. Where is it said that a soldier (from an ordinary to a general) should serve next to the house, constantly in one place, and so on? Yes, state interests demanded the redeployment of the motorized rifle unit closer to the border. So I'm sorry, this is not even a gain! There we have nothing to strengthen, for starters. Two tank parts for 500 km of the border. And that’s all. No, there are rocket launchers, air defense, electronic warfare. But really, the 20th Army is spread out in such an area that you calmly think about what will happen “in case of what” from the other side, that “a case of what” is generally not expected. For now, at least.

The second. The money allowance, maintenance, and so on, today in the army, has been raised to such a level that it is not a shame to send a person as a whole to serve where the command deems necessary. And, by the way, none of the officers discussed this moment in the brigade. So, rather, booze by inertia. Of course, I would like the best.

Third. I will then turn from him to the topic of arbitrariness and lawlessness. The same officers told me that work in connection with the relocation of the unit was not just a lot, but a complete blockage. And the working day lasts from 8 in the morning until 22-23 hours of the evening. And the weekend is purely for pro forma. Monday often really starts on Saturday.

This, of course, fits into the statutory "burden and deprivation of military service." But - to a certain limit. And the limit must come when all relocation issues are resolved. So there is a prospect. And everyone understands this.

They do not understand only those who openly shit on the head of really worthy peasants who, far from their families, protect our frontiers.

And more about life. Barracks and dormitories are being built on the territory of the unit. Fact. And the fact that the September commander of the Western Military District came to supervise this issue in September. We were invited, but we worked for ARMY-2016. Buildings were erected, communications are connected, and interior decoration is currently underway. And by the winter everyone who lives in tents since June will be settled there.

3. "Torture and beatings" in parts.

Everything is simple here. Reading the article, really felt the wind 90-x. I do not know where the Nikiforov and Kharitonov were dug out, which gave the heartbreaking details of their service, but this is for a person familiar with the army service, already in the category of hard drugs.

All this torture with the help of a field phone is generally a masterpiece! The author has clearly read some polymilatic chronicles in social networks. That they have "tapik" densely prescribed in everyday life.

“In 54046, I felt on my own skin what torture“ tapic ”(military field telephone) is. It was used occasionally by many officers in relation to personnel for “shoals” and “zalety”.

For example, I got caught with the phone, didn’t fulfill the task, didn’t give up the money on time (and we donated it regularly - to the needs of the company, as well as to other matters.


In the way ... not a part, but a criminal hangout of some kind. And, apparently, the word "occasionally" poorly describes the state of affairs. Because today's scourge of the army is just a war with cell phones. Somewhere they are supposed to be used at the weekend or in case of emergency, in some I personally observed their presence among the personnel. Kontraktnikov exactly no one limits, except for the guard duty.

And conscripts do go to all sorts of tricks in order to ensure that the usual gadget was with them as long as possible. Well, already accustomed to this youth. And then the war is really going on in full. And the command personnel does not always win, because the ingenuity of our youth in this respect does not yet have limits. And in each platoon there is a couple of safely hidden phones so, just in case.

So the punishment for such zalety should have been not just massive. Universal Apparently, it was for this purpose that a special unit had to be created. Patrol and torture service.

“Some were gathered into the support battalion; they kept order at the chipka (soldier’s cupboard) so that the soldiers would not steal and not be hooligans. The Chipok itself was, as it were, as if it were not there: it existed by personal agreement with the battalion commander, in essence it was an on-site outlet, from which the commanders of the unit received income. In short, on the one hand, these favorites served centrally and separately from the general mass, on the other hand, they could be used as an oversight structure in order to keep the soldiers in check, and woe to those who, due to some ridiculous chance, got to them. ”

Epic, right? Also a couple of questions drew. A supply battalion ... of what? Order in the territory of the part? Is it a bit much? Or part of the recruited by zones? And in general, how did the brigade commander manage to create a separate battalion? Do not understand what, to protect the "chipka"?

Or did the author have in mind such a structure as BOUP? Battalion providing training process? So this unit is inherent in either training units or military schools. Basically the last. And that such a battalion has forgotten in an absolutely combat unit - a question that will remain unanswered, since there is a doubt that Mr. Vashchenko generally served and understands what the keyboard is tormenting about.

But it's easier: he mixed mud thinner, but dumped it wider. The main thing - to stink stronger.

I think there will be those who believe in the nonsense, composed by Mr. Vashchenko. Based on "reliable testimony." But it will be, quite obviously, people who have seen the army only on the screen of the TV channel “Star”. Moreover, they do not trust this TV channel. But the normal and knowledgeable, about the creation of a certain criminal structure engaged in taking money from soldiers, torture and beatings, on the basis of a personnel military unit, will be believed only after using the same thing that the author took.

But I will come back to this in custody. And now about what started it all.

4. Deadly case.

It all started with the fact that one of the servicemen of the unit committed suicide by hanging. Actually, from this all rushed.

“... under unexplained circumstances, a soldier-contract soldier died. Co-workers say he committed suicide due to harsh conditions of service. The press service of the Western Military District categorically rejected a similar interpretation of events. ”

Yes, the press service of the ZVO is still those characters, of course, sometimes reminding me of the heroes of the cartoon about the Ice Age. Only they are not two, but more. But this time the information was shared. Well, purely by chance, in Boguchar I have relatives who are related to state structures of a certain orientation. So I formed a very specific picture.

The name of the suicide was asked not to be named, since the consequence and so on. Good. But the picture came out like that.

Indeed, a fighter of a motorized rifle brigade brought about life. From local. Signed a contract in the Boguchar. So there are still questions to the bogucharsky services responsible for selection for the contract.
The most difficult “conditions of service” in the process of passing it is a two-week field exit. The rest of the time, the fighter lived, as he should, in his wife’s private house, while still having his own apartment.

So the topic of abusing 35-year-old man for a year in a tent with the help of a telephone device, we immediately dismiss. For 35 years of age and contract.

“The guy had problems in his personal life: he left his wife, who had a child from him. She left, saying the following: "I don’t need a man who’s not at home for days."

So allegedly said one of his colleagues. I believe, by the way. But about the "rather difficult conditions of service," clearly edited the editors of "Gazeta".

The rest, apparently, the fighter was not lucky in his personal life. Except for a completely complete fool, I cannot name his former life partner. Probably you should not give figures on the salary of an ordinary contract. In the God-forgotten agrarian Boguchar these figures are very significant. For comparison, the average salary of a trader-market trader is 10 thousand. The lowest level civil servant is 14-18. Teacher at school - depending on the category from 8 to 15. Policeman - from 30. And being a military man is the height of desire. There are, however, categories that earn more abruptly. These are farmers, herders, combiners and other farmers. The average income of a private combine operator is 80-100 thousand per month. But he earns this money in spring and autumn. And we have to plow in the truest sense of the word.

So as a “fuse” for the whole stories we have a contractor with a clearly unbalanced psyche who has laid hands on himself and an idiot wife. But this is not our business at all, the main question is: where is the part? Questions, I repeat, should be addressed to those who have casually inspected the candidate for the contract.

I do not even want to disassemble the rest of the hodgepodge of dirt and other substances. Therefore, I proceed to the conclusion.

5. Personal opinion on the / 54046.

During the work, I visited many parts of different types of troops. And folded a definite opinion about today's army.

The main problem as a correspondent, I think, is not some kind of malfunction and dropouts, but a frank show. Yes, the one when the snow should be white and square, and the grass is green. Nothing has changed here, oddly enough. Much can not be shown simply because those who give us permission to shoot think so. Or on the contrary, it is best to show what one likes to those who order music.

But then often there is nothing to show. And there is nothing to talk about. And this year there was not one such event, after which I did not write anything.

But the report about the educational process in Boguchar and Roman and I consider it one of the best. It is in terms of the fact that there was no gloom. And the readers themselves made the following conclusions, which we talked about: it was a simple educational entrance to the training ground. With the old sub-shaman technique, with actually very poorly trained fighters who called in April-May and after KMB were engaged in the redeployment from Mulino to Boguchar.

Much of what we watched, the camera did not fall. Not because I didn’t want to take it off, but as a human being. And I wanted to take off. To be honest, something got into the frame. But not in the report.

In our work, we never aimed at “catching a beautiful frame”. We just wanted to convey the essence of the moment. But not as detached such neutrals, no. Both of us treat our army in the same way as two people who have served their day without pretensions. And look exactly like that. From the side, but on the side of the army. And we understand and appreciate, perhaps, a little more than those who have not been in the army.

Like a lieutenant colonel, he throws a tablet and a walkie-talkie to the ground, takes the machine gun and starts to show how to tumble with him correctly. As a contract sergeant interrupts the lieutenant and begins to explain the department’s actions in its own way, the lieutenant does not interrupt him with a formidable cry, but he listens no less attentively than the ordinary recruits. As later, these same recruits were sharing the last water with tankers who had gone crazy from the heat, who, due to the fact that the young were stupid, were slowly roasting in their tracked microwaves. As the battalion commanders sent two of their personal radio operators for water to the starting line. And the guys, who had dragged half a day on their backs to the walkie-talkie, were urysil a mile and a half and put a liquid on the canister (20 L). Running

At the camera? Come on, we already by that time were lying in the bushes. And the lieutenant colonel, when he tumbled, was sure that we were not around. We were not there, but the telephoto allowed me to capture.

Already at the end, being on the starting line and falling into the grass in the shadow of the car with the medical center, I involuntarily overheard such a conversation of soldiers of one platoon, who also returned from the landfill.

- That's what the "..." (I miss the zamkombriga call sign) so yelling at us? Did you forget something, that yesterday we performed a landing at the first time?

- Come on, the first time you might think ... Poret and stop.

- This is his these, journalists ... Then they will write some ..., and his ...!

With the words "do not write", I got out of the grass, which pretty embarrassed the guys. But we quite normally talked. They even gave us a compliment that we went so well with the attack.

I did not ask for names, did not read the names on the labels of flasks. Not interested in what a platoon, company, battalion. I just talked “for life” with private soldiers, as I had talked with officers before. Just for myself. And I would not mention this if it were not for this incident.

The guys were all from Nizhny Novgorod. Shock, of course, from understanding where it had come from, had already passed, but did not add joy. Of course, it’s one thing to serve in Mulino, in 60 kilometers from Nizhny, where it is quite possible to get a good way into leaving home, and Boguchar is another.

Asked, by the way, about the dismissals. The guys looked so weird, and asked one question: the meaning? Well, clean to the store for sweets, nothing more. And so it is better to sleep on the weekend.

This, by the way, to the issue of 500 rubles for the leave. Boguchar is not even a town. It is an urban settlement in 11 thousand people. And 5 thousands of soldiers and officers. With all the consequences. For the former inhabitants of a million-plus city - the melancholy is mortal.

“Somewhere in that life, they nakosyachili” - so said one of my interlocutors.

Of course, there was no such frankness, which is fully justified. Who knows what I sweat there then? But most importantly, I did not see in anyone either a doom like “oh, why did you give birth to me, mother,” or any such persecution. Normal guys tired for the day.

A platoon contract sergeant approached. What? Nothing, talk. Bosses, I suppose, wash the bones? Well, not without it. My Well, wash it. After 10 minutes, the location is advanced.

I asked, nothing about the boss so? Yes, the rules, he is quite a man. With us constantly, even spending the night in a tent, except for weekends.

Why am I writing all this in this way? Just because I spent the whole day in this part. More precisely, on its range with personnel. It can be seen well all the same to be seen when everything is done and said on camera, and when just like that, with tongues hooked.

I saw how these soldiers and their commanders worked. Seen the relationship between them. Respectful, by the way. Yes, during the educational process over the range not that the squadrons flew from the organs, the organisms and simply the mathews. But no one about the armor head pounded. So, shook off the flown, and then went or went. Working moments

Yes, personal impressions, but they are valuable to me. What I personally watched. And not only in this part. And I can say with confidence that having visited motorized riflemen, rocket men, anti-aircraft gunners, chemists, tankmen, raiders, pilots this year, I have never met any oppressive atmosphere that is described in that article. Yes, "standard insanity" is the place to be. Somewhere more, somewhere less. Apparently, shitty outgoing thing.

But trying to show that the criminal nature of the 90 model of the last century is flourishing in our army today ... With extortion, robbery, torture and other attributes of those times ...

Sorry, but this is from the enemy. From the meanest enemy who is trying to shove a spoonful of truth into a barrel of lies and to draw conclusions that our army today is a stash of immoral scum. Well, it's just that he (the enemy) is judging by himself.

I, to my joy, watched, and, I hope, I will observe another army. Yes, with flaws (well, without them without any), yes, with window dressing (this muck survives badly too), but it is in the process of becoming and turning it into that Army that can and should be proud of. Already today you can begin.

Yes, in Boguchar today is not easy. There while in terms of life is very stressful. But questions go to their decision, and the higher command helps to solve them. Otherwise, why did the commander of the ZVO have to fly there? To unfinished construction scramble? Probably not. Probably, in order to personally make sure that the soldiers will enter the winter not in tents with stoves, but in new buildings.

And the last. You can bring a lot of evidence of any "Nikiforovs" and other unknowns, I can also. But I will write personally from the two of us who worked there.

We do not have the slightest doubt that everything described in the “Gazette” and taken up by “sabbak bloggers” is a nonsense. Aiming exclusively at simply throwing mud at our army and trying to convince everyone that there is still no order or law. But this is a matter of the personal conscience of every writer.
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  1. PKK
    +10
    3 October 2016 06: 24
    The dirty tricks and the villains, now have great opportunities to carry their dirty thoughts to the people. But they will find sympathy only in the 5th column and traitors. By the way, traitors are calculated.
    They are that fly in the ointment in our "barrel".
    1. jjj
      +1
      3 October 2016 10: 01
      A couple of thoughts on the essence of the article. It is necessary to patronize journalists at the training ground. Anything can happen there. Like locusts scatter and fall into the most inappropriate place at the most inappropriate time. Undoubtedly, the increased attention to guests in the location of the unit is either a kind of window dressing, or there is a place to be that none of the outsiders should see. And this is not an object of military secrecy. On two or three phones hidden in the unit. Probably everyone has phones and tablets. This is a common trend for our aircraft. And no attempt to reduce their number does not help.
      When I was in the mid-to-late seventies of the last century, even from the military units of the Committee, when moving to the border with China, it was impossible to have either a personal camera or a transistor receiver. But it was all
    2. +12
      3 October 2016 10: 08
      I fully support Roman. And I saw such journalists this year. and talked with soldiers a lot. And with the officers.
      Today the army is really being built. New army. For some reasons, we pay more attention to technology and weapons. But the personnel themselves have changed. Service for a long time, as it was at the end of the last century, is not afraid. On the contrary, men go with pleasure. And the attitude has become the same.
      And the shit that is pouring on our modern army from powerlessness. From anger. From own inferiority.
      1. 0
        6 October 2016 14: 36
        Exactly. And also from the backwardness of the "enlightened and civilized" five-columnists. Life is more complicated and more diverse than the training manuals hammered into their heads. And this life went ahead, and ubldochki remained in the "blessed" 90s. Apparently they breathe shit easier.
    3. 0
      5 October 2016 16: 01
      Quote: PKK
      They are that fly in the ointment in our "barrel".

      That's right!
      But here it is necessary to separate the "wheat from the chaff".
      Wrote deliberate insinuation, discredited honor and dignity? What prevents to file a lawsuit?
      "The people's court will teach you how to beat the chairmen!"
      On the other hand, it is important not to go too far, because there are a lot of disgraces ...
      Publicity is important for their identification and correction.
      I will not recall, not entirely in the case, the village of Kushchevskaya, where all the judges, the police, the FSB and others called upon to ensure order were in place, but the journalists (there are also journalists) and the public had to reach the truth.
      But the very presence in Boguchar of a military unit from Mulino is a formless disgrace!
      It consists in the fact that at one time 10 guards TD were stupidly reduced and no organization core was created for the deployment of SMBr on the created storage base. This is a crime, the top of the mess. Although farts are not grieving, sort of. request
      Although it should not be so. It happened. Why? There was no order ... Is there any guarantee that the order has now been restored? I wish it were so. But full recovery cannot be a priori, for 80% of the soldiers are conscripts - this is the time.
      The order of military service, the disciplinary charter, law enforcement practice, the level of educational work are not fully consistent - these are two.
      Therefore, dishonest zhurnalyug responsible! But the state of affairs in our country is by no means the most powerful, but only the restored army should be transparent (in terms of, of course).
  2. +12
    3 October 2016 06: 26
    We have not the slightest doubt that everything described in the “Newspaper” and picked up by the “Sabback bloggers” is nonsense. It was aimed solely at simply throwing dirt at our army and trying to convince everyone that there was still no order or law.


    And I don’t have ... and be prepared that such stuffing will be in the future in a considerable quantity.
    Roman raised the right topic ...
    Often I sift through the Internet in search of interesting articles and there they write such nonsense not only about our army but about the people and the country as a whole.
    In the first place, of course, mud pouring mud on our homegrown liberals of various kinds, sometimes with well-known surnames ...
    who does not believe in it, go at least to the ECHO OF MOSCOW ... have fun in their verbiage.
  3. +14
    3 October 2016 06: 32
    The glory of the committee of nulliparous soldiers' mothers haunts some journalists. For them, the main thing is to throw dirt on the fan, and then the grass does not grow.
    And some believe these "mouthpieces of democracy".
  4. +3
    3 October 2016 06: 55
    Roman, do not be surprised about gazeta.ru. they can do just that. Another edition, especially the author's columns, touches. They skillfully pour out lusciously pathetic disgusting. And Russia is simply "this country" for them.
    1. +1
      3 October 2016 08: 02
      These scribblers from the newspaper did not have a chance to visit the Mulin regiment in 96 laughing when the main ones were in the mountains ... they lived with them for two weeks, on the third day they attached legs to the Afghan woman. Although, at the same time, everyone was afraid to get into the famous Mulinsky disbat.
  5. +5
    3 October 2016 06: 59
    According to the charter of the Armed Forces: A soldier must steadfastly endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service, if my memory does not change. Attention, the question: should we be equal to our "pantners" -coi without juice, toilet paper, armored caps, and other crap not to go into the attack? As for me, the entot "dzyadzenka" was related to military service, like the Pope to Zen Buddhism ..
    1. jjj
      +2
      3 October 2016 09: 48
      Quote: Shiva83483
      A soldier must endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service

      This situation is already in the past. Now instead of "hardships and hardships" - it is written: "Difficulties"
    2. +6
      3 October 2016 14: 21
      According to the charter and common sense, a soldier must defend his homeland, and not suffer heroically in peacetime due to the embezzlement of senior officials and their pathological stupidity and unsuitability. And do not cover the sloppiness and disgrace of the command with pseudo-patriotic slogans, which, when the unit was relocated, failed to provide rear support at the right level. And then about the reason for all the hype - if they had not attracted public attention to this problem, the soldiers would have lived in tents for another two years. And for all smart people - these tents look beautiful only from the outside, but live like you are in them all year round ......
  6. +16
    3 October 2016 07: 24
    And personally, it seems to me that in the modern army there is too much slobbery and liberties. You look on youtube what young boobies get up with in relation to the command staff, their hair stand on end. .. The elder is trying to find out who, attention, broke the jar of jam! , in the cockpit, (whoever tried in my time to bury a cookie in the nightstand, would have been prancing the whole company on the parade ground) In response, the horse’s rzhach for shooting, followed by putting it on YouTube. At the constructions, half at the command, they freely ring out, laugh in order, comment on the commander tearing his throat.
    Christmas tree winders! Yes, in our time and hazing was a lot of things, but there was respect for the officers, there was an understanding of discipline.
    1. 0
      7 October 2016 16: 03
      The presence of hazing in our time is an unequivocal confirmation of the absolute lack of understanding of discipline !!!! That's all the Christmas tree winders. The task of the army to fight. When the army sits on the priest for a long time exactly in peacetime, its inevitable decomposition takes place. This is also due to the lack of respect for officers who do not want to serve faithfully. And all this is said not about the dashing 90s, but about the quiet and rotten 80s.
  7. +3
    3 October 2016 07: 33
    The breed of such journalists originated in the early 90s. Many on a lie and falsification of facts have made a name for themselves. Therefore, such needs to be fought only through the courts, attracting slander. You won’t deal with them in a manly way - you’ll drag him on the courts himself. True, there were cases when the most odious and lacking sense of proportion were simply shot.
    1. +2
      3 October 2016 08: 57
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The breed of such journalists originated in the early 90s.


      Good day, Gennady! Unfortunately, it all started much earlier, practically from the beginning of perestroika. There was such a "journalist" Artyom Borovik, from his publications in "Ogonyok" about our army, and always in comparison with the American one, "the hair stood on end." It is now, as they say, "from the height of the past years," it becomes clear why the people were purposefully rebuilt against the armed forces. At this stage, when the army and navy have begun to gain strength, more and more such publications will appear. I agree with you, with this "brotherhood" it is necessary to fight, otherwise there will be no "life".
      1. 0
        3 October 2016 11: 30
        Hello, Tatyana.
        I well remember A. Borovik and his series of articles "How I served in the American army." But Borovik was the editor of Top Secret. And in "Ogonek" he was published pouring mud on everyone and everything, so the devil got out of my head. He died, and the "democratic" public screamed that they had poisoned the mouthpiece of democracy. Well, maybe someone can tell you. And I completely agree with you.
        1. +1
          3 October 2016 11: 46
          He did not die, but crashed in a plane crash.
          1. 0
            3 October 2016 12: 36
            I'm not talking about Borovik, but the one who wrote in Ogonyok.
  8. +4
    3 October 2016 09: 00
    Here what is called "two truths clashed." Vaschenko claims that the unit has repeatedly failed the anti-terror, according to the FORMER soldier, Skomorokhov claims the opposite. That is, we have before us a description of WHAT WAS and WHAT IS. Moreover, both are telling the truth. As a local resident, I confirm that earlier it was possible to wander through the fields, roll out to a tank parking lot, and continue to wander along it until the very necessary road is found. So, it is not entirely correct to say that the entire article in Gazeta.ru was fabricated in a shantan cafe. About non-human conditions of placement. There are a couple of km. from the military unit a marvelous military town, built by the Germans in the late 90s. Yes, only the Ministry of Defense was so zealous to get rid of its housing assets that now military families are huddled in odnushki. Well, quite simply about the hanged contract soldier. You can say much that he is to blame for everything, about his problems, etc. However, on the face of the fact that the commanders do not work with personnel. Soldier problems? You must endure hardships and hardships. Hanged himself? We'll type more.
    1. +3
      3 October 2016 09: 12
      Sorry, if we were talking about a new recruit, young, with not yet fully formed psyche and recently torn from the "mother's skirt", one could blame the fathers-commanders for this. But .., we are talking about a 35-year-old "man" who signed the contract, being "of sound (?!) Mind and firm memory." In your opinion, the commanders should have run after him with a handkerchief ?!
      1. +3
        3 October 2016 09: 25
        In my memory, a competent commander usually tried as quickly as possible to get rid of a 30-year-old drunk or idiot who went back to the army in his unit. If the commander "cared nothing", then such "soldiers of fortune" continued to serve with all the ensuing "miracles". Hanging, robbery, binge, there was a case when one of the binge choked in his vomit.
      2. 0
        4 October 2016 00: 55
        He signed a contract with the military unit, but where and where did he end up after signing the contract? The attitude to the "contract" service of an officer is the worst - he has already signed his contract having received officer's shoulder straps.
  9. +2
    3 October 2016 09: 08
    More journalists like you Roman.
  10. +3
    3 October 2016 09: 24
    The author is not convincing. I guess the truth is in the middle. And the mess and non-statutory and "400 ways of relatively honest money taking" certainly take place. Any part. Well, maybe, except for the Kremlin regiment. The question is where the balance has shifted. And this can only depend on the commander.
    A lot of versions, conjectures, personal conclusions, a statement by the ZVO press service, but not the conclusions of the military prosecutor’s office are stated about the death, and the author didn’t even mention that the original article says that this is the fourth death in a year (25% of the truth?). In my opinion a bit too much.

    But "The army is not just a kind word, but a very quick deed." And if the main thing has already been done, and a part is functioning normally, then thank God.
    1. 0
      3 October 2016 09: 34
      Quote: AID.S
      The author is not convincing.

      The author simply unsubscribed the article hot on the heels of his reportage. Well, they kept him at the checkpoint for a couple of extra minutes. Does this somehow cancel out the fact that there were no elementary plates around the tank park before? Some collective farmer will wander in at dusk, and a sentry will remove him. Fortunately, there were no sentries before.
      1. +1
        3 October 2016 10: 25
        Quote: tomket
        The author simply unsubscribed the article hot on the heels of his reportage.

        What a hot footprint, a month and a half has passed. As far as I understand, the VP has been conducting an investigation since mid-August and not because of a bad life, but perhaps because of its consequences. And when the investigation is underway, what picture will they show you? As in the program "I Serve the Soviet Union", on Sundays without fail. Her memory is blessed. Once again, unconvincing, weak.
  11. 0
    3 October 2016 09: 45
    And what about unregulated relations now? Who recently went down, write ... to my son in the winter in the army soldier
    1. 0
      3 October 2016 10: 51
      Quote: tsvetkov1274
      And now what about the hazing?

      Sorry, I’ve been demobilized for a long time, but if your guy is smart, then you can not worry, he will not be lost.
    2. 0
      4 October 2016 06: 45
      How to tell you. It all depends on the part and the serviceman himself. But usually follow. An evening inspection of bruises abrasion was almost always. Which, in principle, did not stop the officers themselves from weighing the bream. The main thing is that there were no traces. And so you can serve. Almost everyone has phones. The phone numbers of the commanders of an army unit are hanging. So if you absolutely can’t tolerate it, then there is always a way out. But the main thing is commanders. I saw many excellent officers who helped soldiers and moral freaks who, on the contrary, scoffed.
  12. +8
    3 October 2016 09: 57
    The beautiful words of two people who really were in the armies on the other side of the television on the star channel. The army has always been a well-established organism with its own laws, and these laws were determined by the fathers-commanders, since the structure was closed inside the unit, you could meet everything that was back in the 90s, which can’t be said about the closed garrison, where the main part are military personnel and the rest are members of their families and PMO. And so, in order about HRT. Well, of course, if people came to your house with a camera and started taking pictures of your life, everything that happens would also probably begin to keep track of what is happening and not to take out the "garbage from the hut." I doubt very much about a polite smile, although if the camera is in my hands and the ability to write to the general masses, I probably also smiled usually everything comes from a series of sighing heavily and thinking to myself “and why did you put your facial expression on it accordingly” Another truth about monetary allowance which “ raised to heaven "a soldier who joined the ranks of the RF Armed Forces did not have a good paw" that is, his brother is not the chief of staff or the head of the food service "will have a position arrow this is the first grid well, the sum is symbolic of order 16-17 born in. with allowances of 20 tr if he is very lucky and he will have a driver's license category "C" then the second order of 23 TR
    And so let’s take a citizen, we open Avito work security guard supermarket Kirovsky 1500 days 15 days x1500 rubles 22500 simple arithmetic is not it? A father-in-law who comes to the service who does not have a tractor (who will drag him up) will get as a supermarket guard and periodically even systematically with every literally alarm and field exit sleep in a tent on the ground to earn a prostate or a supermarket guard who will sleep well, the worst thing is at ottomans and go home in the morning ... do you think you will grow up in the service and take up another position will earn a lot of money believe me all normal malomalski team positions and will be given to people who are well aware of any of your nachalnichkov and you will have a lot of bosses because you are a soldier. Are you going to become an officer, please, all roads are open, you are going to study after the second contract, that is, after 3 years of a madhouse, if you are going to a civilian university, then you and not an army officer need clueless but your staff officers, even if a miracle happens and your position coincides with yours education, and then there’s no way to miss the GUK, there is no military education, they thought they’re studying in the military forward all the ways are open for 5 years in the barracks for 15000 salaries and after distribution to wherever you go to the north you’ll be lucky even if you’re lucky it’s all smooth But in the very “G” in the armies, the essence of thinking is that to serve in the warmth you need to serve where it is not very good.
    And so now, on the topic of arbitrariness and lawlessness and relocation of the military unit, why these problems should concern military personnel under the contract after the word is key since the military personnel under the contract have a work schedule and they obviously should not worry who is there and where the 6 divorce has been transferred and at home and everything else, gentlemen, it’s chaos if you are not on duty if you have already committed such chaos, according to the order, the military have a time processing journal which must be paid separately for which it is severely beaten on the head commander in / h if it is, of course recording and otherwise "as so tovarish commander you do not comply with working hours of your employees?" well, and here it’s logical that there is no magazine, there are no problems, there is no extra money from the treasury for people who really work with hands day and night; unlike a soldier’s guard, it’s universal, he can sweep everything, carry it, saw it, build it, etc. ... and the main thing is that it’s all here and now about conscripts in general I am silently exploiting them as they can they can twice as much here the logic in general, they are simply conscripts. As for the requisitions from them, the most interesting topic here is to donate money to the needs of a company ........ The very word needs of the company introduces into a stupor what needs the company may nevertheless provide with the state, but here, after all, not everything is not there, and even if something is not delivered, something is not delivered and settles in the elders' pockets and other comrades who have access to company property money is collected as a rule 1 a new form of clothing came out comrade Shoigu came up with a fine fellow warm even warm thanks to him for this but one thing but I forgot to supply the uniform with the patches it’s necessary for the soldiers to buy patches and order some with the name for example in closed garrisons de reigns a monopoly price tag on the goods ohou what a great meaning and one that they know not to buy more warriors where as soon not have. Well, the Army didn’t equip the military with this, especially the conscripts, why are they robbed? Toilet paper is always not enough for the foreman; he refers to the fact that they give out little lies, just the less you need to take home. But at the end of the month, the foreman regularly distributes leaflets in which it is necessary to sign that everything was issued to everyone and everyone signs and otherwise .... And so the final stage of my opera, we will start the fight against stack phones from the beginning. Cell phones in the army usually take with them simple what are called tapiks without a camera without the Internet. They simply dialer and comrades officers and contractors manage to pick up them under the guise that they can put something on the Internet yes no the point here is not at all the same, but the point of this whole rotten desk is that the soldier cannot call at the right time when there is a mess in his relationship when, for example, a drunken foreman built everyone after the end and robbing everyone of money and cards due to the fact that he didn’t have enough for courtesans and a drink and motivated by the fact that if someone doesn’t give him to him afterwards he will arrange “outfits endless and no sleep after a day will personally go around and check the order and find any mote on the floor several times to wash the floor "well, and here the soldier will certainly give the last. Well, here the true officer valor manifests itself in the officer who remained behind the company duty officer, he just leaves the company at that moment without saying anything and despite the builds, the true officer can be added and one wonders if the formation is standing under an invisibility cloak and the foreman is swinging in different directions, I think underneath, but on the phones he has a sensitive eye, I would even say the smell of a dog, so here's the great misconception that all phones are stored in the office of the company commander, but the phones are really assigned otherwise not trustworthy for contract must be the same call home with the keys to the offices eg in Buryatia Yeshe or where ever. and the epilogue tell me why giving out phones to guys on weekends is very very rare for an hour to tell them that if something like this is going to be told everything is being written for you to follow our valiant service HRT phones will not be squeezed out altogether outrage and one sheer lies even from the media.
  13. +2
    3 October 2016 10: 08
    In general, for prophylaxis in establishing the truth according to Boguchar, it would be nice for Roman to go there again. And talk in non-business hours with a local contractor. I think the truth will quickly become clear if, of course, there is a desire to write the truth, and not the devastating articles of falsifications from the cafe Chantane. Fortunately, you do not need to go far.
  14. +6
    3 October 2016 11: 26
    He served in unit 54046 a year ago. I myself did not get to Boguchary, thank God, but I heard a lot. And nothing good. When this epic with the great resettlement began, I served for 3-4 months (if I am not mistaken, February-March 2015). People were thrown into a clear field, 200 people lived in sleeping bags on the floor. There were many guys of my call (we arrived together, we drove home together too), so I heard it firsthand. What can I say about the part if we had a stabbing at the "evening"? The reconnaissance company (the only unit with a permanent composition) got along with the Ingush, wounded the scout. Blacks in the army are a separate conversation, they are not in the service - at the resort. In March, I was lying in a medical company and saw a guy who could not walk properly, could not sit for even 5 minutes (the battery commander gave him a slap on the head and something pinched in his back) and everyone was on a drum. "Tapik" - 90, but it was not just "tapik" but a subversive machine (more powerful). The responsible officer (sober) with drunken double basses walked around and shocked the sleeping soldiers, they wanted me but I didn’t sleep, got the guy on the next bed (he didn’t understand why he woke up), then they pestered the orderlies. -. Saw drunk, sober, etc. I have a lot more to tell. In general, I was pleased with the service, I miss the fun times of the service, sometimes I didn’t stay. Yes, they beat me (mostly for the cause), but they sometimes mocked me. The author was shown a beautiful picture - "show off". How many such were in my memory.
    Who cares, I remember the names, ranks, and posts, and a lot of crap.
    1. +1
      3 October 2016 11: 40
      Hello troll! Maybe you’ll start telling the truth, at least indicating your name, and then:

      Quote: Aingof
      Who cares, I remember the names, ranks, and positions,
      ?!
      1. +4
        3 October 2016 11: 52
        Hello. My name is Ivan. I served in the 1GSADn 1GSAB in the military unit 54046 2014-2015. Who are you interested in?
        1. +1
          3 October 2016 14: 29
          I am not interested in anyone, being the wife of a military man, I know what it means to keep your mouth shut, which I advise you too. "Don't say that you know a lot, but rather know what you are saying."
          1. +1
            3 October 2016 17: 35
            Ahhh, so you are one of those - like "I am the daughter of an officer, I have been living in Crimea for fifty years. Just believe me, everything is not so simple with us." I once served not a year, but two. And talked with the wives of the officers. So don't ...
            1. 0
              3 October 2016 17: 40
              Dear BTV or whatever you are ..... don’t do your round eyes from fear ... this is all open secret ...
            2. +1
              3 October 2016 18: 37
              Quote: Palch
              Ahhh, so you are one of those - like "I am the daughter of an officer, I have been living in Crimea for fifty years. Just believe me, everything is not so simple with us." I once served not a year, but two. And talked with the wives of the officers. So don't ....


              I have been living in Primorye for 35 years, having left for my husband from Sevastopol, and not for you, "how are you there," forgive me, to teach me how to live.
          2. +5
            3 October 2016 18: 37
            What's so secret? I don't know state secrets. But the officer who beat the soldiers with a tapik yes. It's a secret? I hope you agree that conscripts are people too? In connection with my specialty, I saw many officers, contract soldiers, conscripts. Lots of great people. And I have formed my own opinion about the military and about the army. Conscripts in the modern army are slaves. They are not taught, they are not needed by anyone. Why teach if in six months new ones will be sent? Tolya deal with the bass, they even give a premium for them if you have signed a contract in your department. You can get more money from him at times and you can teach him (he has been serving for 3 years). And the officer "white bone" - "khazyaina" will come to the office, collapse on a chair, feet on the table. I have tea quickly. And the clerk runs to give birth to "khazyainu" tea or coffee. Or, you know, such a joke came to mind, he sends a "khazyain" for a flash drive to a neighboring unit. I go in, knock on the office, introduce myself, the answer is: "I went to (3 letters of the Russian alphabet)" and so 3-4 times from floor to floor. Then they will call and give me a flash drive. Would you like it?
            1. +3
              5 October 2016 13: 06
              Well, you didn’t say anything arch-terrible. Himself served an emergency in the BB, in a convoy, 92-93g. Here you would be there at that time. Your service would seem to be honey. Everything is relative. And yet, for you and your kind - said, I say and I will say, the army, law enforcement agencies - this is a section of society. Moreover, due to the specifics of the functional, the slice is very painful in terms of negativity. What kind of society are these institutions.
          3. +1
            3 October 2016 21: 27
            Quote: B.T.W.
            I advise you. "Don't say that you know a lot, but rather know what you are saying."

            And let me ask what kind of conspiracy of such a Masonic lodge is?) We have all the officers are white and fluffy, and even think that the last scum crime is found among them? And if there are any, then neither rumor !!! Not a word! STATE SECRET !?
  15. +2
    3 October 2016 11: 37
    The base and housing stock in Boguchar remained good from 10 Guards of the tank division, it was withdrawn from Germany. The Germans rebuilt 49 houses. Now they are on the balance of the city. Apartments say they went up in price in Boguchar to 3 million per kopeck piece.
    1. 0
      4 October 2016 00: 29
      Who will provide them to the families of the military?
  16. +1
    3 October 2016 13: 33
    Not worth it so verbose. All pups write such libel for their own use. Among liberals, so to speak.
  17. 0
    3 October 2016 13: 40
    Reading such articles, sometimes I regret that I was not born twenty years later. And at the same time I think that I would not know the Soviet "soviet" school, as now neither my child nor the rest of the modern kids brought up on spiders and bats with others like them ... mother, mother, mother recourse ...
  18. +1
    3 October 2016 15: 05
    And I'm thinking, there is no need for `` personal opinions '', but a real check of the signal and if it is confirmed, severe punishment of ALL the guilty, up to the demonstration execution, in front of the formation. Enough to lisp with thieves, it's time to restore order in the country. In retail outlets, they use `` mystery shoppers '' for this, when an inspector comes to a supermarket, disguised as a buyer and looks at EVERYTHING with his own eyes (delay, matching prices on price tags and at the checkout, etc.). So, in this unit, you need to send several FSB officers, under the guise of conscripts who had a deferment from the draft and to sort it out on the spot.
    1. +1
      3 October 2016 19: 19
      Checking. Hmm. We somehow pushed the howitzer out of the box with a bar, with another self-propelled gun, resting it on the stern sheet of a non-working one. The matalyga was rolled out by handles. And the infantry is generally sad. I remember the shooting. Check-in so one BMP stalls, the second goes to light a cigarette and it will get up. They sent a tank. Here they are, by the way, "training", although they said that they were killed, but they were deaf solely because of crooked hands.
      1. +2
        5 October 2016 13: 09
        And when is the marching throw at the 12 km ski shooting range? The air temperature is -28, I saw skiing live for the first time in my life and is dressed in a fur coat, a hat and an old cotton quilted pea jacket. I wonder after what the current whiners would tell?
    2. +2
      3 October 2016 21: 32
      Quote: Phosgene
      And I'm thinking, there is no need here for `` personal opinions '', but a real check of the signal is needed and if it is confirmed, a severe punishment of ALL those responsible,

      Well, if you think about it, the article itself is a little strange. Especially when compared with the original source. In the original source, as part of the "scythe of death" walked, in the same article analysis with only one contrabass from the local. Author, well, you were there, ask what the fatalities are there. Go yourself and take a look at the life of the soldiers, how many cisterns with water they bring and how many people. Look into the bowlers, what people are fed. No, they paint us a blissful picture mixed with words that we must overcome difficulties, and who thinks differently are traitors. I believe that the author, once he has undertaken, must get to the bottom of the truth. Otherwise, the article written is no better than an article from Gazeta.ru. It will turn out to be a squabble of windbags.
  19. +4
    3 October 2016 21: 29
    Dear, did you yourself serve in the army ??? If you served, then what you wrote, the clerk, looks more like the truth than yours. For as you write yourself you were constantly grazed and not one of the fighters hr-e-n will tell you anything. Because you arrived and left, and the boys are just for a draw chat.
  20. +5
    3 October 2016 23: 12
    Quote: B.T.W.
    Hello troll! Maybe you’ll start telling the truth ?!

    but where is trolling here? and where is the lie here?!? If you have not been there, then it is not for you to judge! And I was there: the call-up spring-15 and this "wall to wall" I saw, and the guy who was driven with a bayonet in the shoulder blade, and participated in the investigative experiment. And how do you like the fact that a fighter of another unit does not come to his company (in which they were preparing for firing), takes someone else's machine gun, closes with him in the toilet and shoots himself with a cartridge that he hid. trolling? How do you like the Ingush, who was given all the documents 3-4 days before the dismissal and he came to the company commander, stuffed his face and took away his phone, after which he left the unit with peace of mind? And how do you all the same Ingush who felt better than the officers? Calmly walked around the unit, went to the SOCH (and they were not particularly looked for). So why should we keep our mouths shut, so that everyone thinks like in the army, cloudlessly and correctly?
  21. +4
    3 October 2016 23: 14
    B.T.V.,
    Hello troll! Maybe you’ll start telling the truth ?!

    but where is trolling here? and where is the lie here?!? If you have not been there, then it is not for you to judge! And I was there: the call-up spring-15 and this "wall to wall" I saw, and the guy who was driven with a bayonet in the shoulder blade, and participated in the investigative experiment. And how do you like the fact that a fighter of another unit does not come to his company (in which they were preparing for firing), takes someone else's machine gun, closes with him in the toilet and shoots himself with a cartridge that he hid. trolling? How do you like the Ingush, who was given all the documents 3-4 days before the dismissal and he came to the company commander, stuffed his face and took away his phone, after which he left the unit with peace of mind? And how do you all the same Ingush who felt better than the officers? Calmly walked around the unit, went to the SOCH (and they were not particularly looked for). So why should we keep our mouths shut, so that everyone thinks like in the army, cloudlessly and correctly?
    1. 0
      4 October 2016 06: 19
      Hello. Where did you serve? Which department? I left home on December 17. As I heard more "black" companies came, that is, by definition, it could not have been better.
      1. 0
        5 October 2016 13: 40
        REB, resigned on April 24. In total, about 40 more came (maybe more), but, oddly enough, the most violent were in the last draft, there was almost no "bad" news from young Circassians and Ingush (well, "SOCH" and the bolt on the commanders is the standard)
  22. 0
    4 October 2016 00: 18
    After reading the "opuses" of the authors of articles about military unit 54046, both made unworthy conclusions. If one can disagree with the first author in part, then the conclusions of the second are outrageous. The redeployment of military units as needed - the General Staff knows better, but as always they forget about the personnel - the officers are PEOPLE and now it is not 2 or 1941! Regarding salaries, yes, they raised them, but I'm sure they don't pay allowances for "field conditions" in this military unit. Who will object that living in tents is not field conditions (except for the chief of finance)? It is very difficult to get into most military units through the checkpoint, precisely through the checkpoint, those who served will understand me! The main military unit was relocated to a permanent place, i.e. now this place of service until normal living conditions are created for the families of military personnel will be called "ass"!
  23. +1
    5 October 2016 09: 43
    B.T.V.,
    E-MY !!!! So I gave two years honestly to the Motherland in Primorye. I can name the numbers of military units - 28207 and 67915. And you know, I’m not at all afraid to give out military secrets, such as Aingof because there are already no these military units. No at all, even the remains of the foundations are overgrown with grass and bushes - I can throw a link in the internet! So you DO NOT NEED to tear outerwear on your chest like a vest .....
    1. 0
      5 October 2016 14: 18
      Thank you, but I know enough without your information. And "to tear the outerwear on the chest like a vest" is not a habit. It's just that we've been taught not to share information everywhere. Yes, times have changed. Now it has become "fashionable" to dump information, but believe it or not, as they say: "this is your own business." And yet, for the future: "You, compared me with the" officer's daughter ", and so not knowing the person, it is indecent to hang labels on him, and speaks of the bad manners of the opponent. I, to you, I sincerely wish you to pass such an attitude, to your personality. "
  24. +1
    5 October 2016 12: 07
    Gazeta.ru has always been a liberal cesspool. So the appearance of such materials does not surprise her at all. Another thing is surprising, but is it possible to give the MO to this geek for slander? Undress a couple of these to cowards who want to greatly decrease.
  25. +2
    5 October 2016 17: 19
    Quote: guzik007
    In response, horse rzhach for shooting, followed by putting it into YouTube

    And it all starts at school, when the boobies are penniless
    do not put teachers. All the same, the "people's" army is not good. And the year of service, too.
  26. +3
    5 October 2016 17: 27
    Quote: d.gksueyjd
    PEOPLE officers and now is not 1941 or 1991!

    E my, we once lived in towns where 50 km to the city along forest roads was in the 70s and 80s, they gave me to the soldiers’ barracks so that they wouldn’t hang out without supervision. No doubt, it’s good to live near the city when 30 minutes by bus, only to deploy equipment and missiles is better still in the woods and the personnel should train and not sit on the stove
    1. 0
      6 October 2016 00: 43
      Interesting article, interesting comments. All that remains for you is only the photo of the commanders, their personal numbers and phones to indicate. And so, in principle, the report on military unit 54046 is ready. Have you reduced military censorship or something?
  27. +1
    6 October 2016 14: 22
    Quote: B.T.W.
    Sorry, if we were talking about a new recruit, young, with not yet fully formed psyche and recently torn from the "mother's skirt", one could blame the fathers-commanders for this. But .., we are talking about a 35-year-old "man" who signed the contract, being "of sound (?!) Mind and firm memory." In your opinion, the commanders should have run after him with a handkerchief ?!

    You know, you can borrow any young recruit and 40-year-old man who has gone through Chechnya, especially with the arbitrariness and negligence of the "fathers-commanders", and this is what our "command" is very good at, now the leadership is mostly scum and bribe-takers , and full mutual guarantee. Even a big and fat one is laid down for an appeal to the prosecutor's office, as some of these would-be commanders say, the prosecutor's office is not a decree for us, we have our own instructions.
    1. 0
      6 October 2016 16: 59
      You know, Leonid, what you described is happening not only in the Armed Forces, but in any team, if the boss didn’t like the subordinate. I myself went through pressure from my superiors at one time, and my dad's instructions, which I always remembered, helped to survive: in order not to write explanatory notes, write reports (in several copies), keep your rear (to put it mildly) always covered). Something like this.
      1. 0
        7 October 2016 16: 10
        In short, knock yourself, that would not knock you! And when to serve or work ???? Some kind of rotten approach to life. Or is it so customary for submariners now?
  28. +2
    6 October 2016 19: 35
    I'm probably getting old, behind the times. What kind of motorized rifle brigade from Mulino?
    There is artillery training - 3 regiments. Himself in 85 finished. And where was the brigade? ...
  29. 0
    7 October 2016 18: 54
    I advise that blogger that he is trying with his inexperienced attempts to discredit our army to be interested in the subject this scribbler writes about, if there’s no tyumu then do not get into the hole
  30. 0
    7 October 2016 19: 12
    Quote: nachtigalsif
    Reading such articles, sometimes I regret that I was not born twenty years later. And at the same time I think that I would not know the Soviet "soviet" school, as now neither my child nor the rest of the modern kids brought up on spiders and bats with others like them ... mother, mother, mother recourse ...

    served in the Soviet Army and I think that those who sometimes howl "do not deserve not only trust but also the slightest understanding
  31. +1
    7 October 2016 19: 39
    I warn most of those reading this opus will upset many, he served in the troops of the Strategic Missile Forces, the Chechens and the Ingush and two Georgians also served with us. So we lived not bad at all, at that time we didn’t want to exterminate each other, so why did everything change
  32. 0
    9 October 2016 20: 03
    Quote: Palch
    The presence of hazing in our time is an unequivocal confirmation of the absolute lack of understanding of discipline !!!! That's all the Christmas tree winders. The task of the army to fight. When the army sits on the priest for a long time exactly in peacetime, its inevitable decomposition takes place. This is also due to the lack of respect for officers who do not want to serve faithfully. And all this is said not about the dashing 90s, but about the quiet and rotten 80s.

    Have you served in the army? Or the millstone from the liberal press do not give rest?
  33. +1
    9 October 2016 20: 07
    Quote: Palch
    Ahhh, so you are one of those - like "I am the daughter of an officer, I have been living in Crimea for fifty years. Just believe me, everything is not so simple with us." I once served not a year, but two. And talked with the wives of the officers. So don't ...

    It looks like you are that "officer's daughter".
  34. 0
    11 November 2017 18: 00
    Thanks, author. You read and believe that everything is the way it is

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"