The Russian army is in dire need of conscripts: the spring call can double and become a record for violations

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According to the results of the autumn conscription, which ended on December 31 last year, only 135,8 thousands of recruits (this is a record number compared to other periods) went to serve in the ranks of the Russian army, while the service life of 240 thousands, called earlier, ended at the end of the year . In this regard, it is planned to “shave” about 2012 thousands of young people during the spring draft of 300.

Today, a third of the rank and file posts are vacant in the Russian army. Moreover, in some parts the military personnel is understaffed by as much as 35%, this concerns the ground forces, the coastal troops of the Navy, and the troops of radiation, chemical and biological protection.

According to the General Staff, there are a million people in the Russian army serving 1. Of these, 220 thousands of officers and 200 thousands of contract employees work on a permanent basis. In the course of the autumn draft, the strength of the Armed Forces can dramatically decrease to 800 thousand people.

However, representatives of the General Staff reassured by the statements that at the moment an increase in the number of conscripts is not required. The Ministry of Defense has repeatedly indicated its position: it is necessary not to recruit conscripts, but to reduce them. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Defense recognized the fact that in some branches of the armed forces there really is a shortage of military personnel, but the figure, 30 percent, does not correspond to reality. In fact, the shortage problem is of the order of 10%. All this is connected primarily with the process of transferring the army to the contract system.

There is no consensus in the Committee on Defense regarding the mass character of the spring draft this year. Viktor Zavarzin, who is the deputy head of the Committee, completely rejected all the arguments about a possible short supply. Another representative of the committee, Aleksey Zhuravlev, said that a meeting of the Ministry of Defense would soon be held, where the plan for the spring draft will be considered. According to preliminary data, the number of recruits will be lower compared to last spring (the spring call of 2011 was 218,7 thousand people). The first meeting of the defense committee will take place on January 19.

Some human rights activists warn that the spring draft will be held with serious violations of Russian legislation: these are raids on young people who evade service, this is a biased medical examination or sending recruits unsuitable for health reasons. In addition, it is noted that those who were born in the middle of 90, when there was a decline in the birth rate in the country, are overstepping the line of majority.

According to Sergey Krivenko, coordinator of the public organization “Citizen and Army”, in the current situation, even the number in 150 of thousands of people is the limit. He notes that such unpopular measures as overstating the call plan or increasing the length of service can cause discontent among people. In addition, there are no active external threats to Russia, so it would be quite logical (this implies military reform) to bring the number of military personnel to 2017 in the year to 1 a million people mainly due to those who will serve on a contract basis. To achieve this goal, according to Krivenko, it is necessary to recruit an average of 40-50 thousand people. Valentina Melnikova, who heads the Union of Soldiers ’Mothers Committees, in turn, recommended the members of the Duma Defense Committee not to dream of“ fantastic conscription plans ”, but to take up her direct duties, that is, to provide for military reform with legislative documents. According to Melnikova, this will help to more effectively solve the problem of qualified personnel in the army.

An interesting fact is that as a result of the autumn call-up of 2011, the people of Dagestan practically did not call at all in Armenia at all. According to statistics, the entire 121 man was sent from this republic, with the majority of the draftees being persons of Slavic nationality. This is largely due to the difficult relationship that arises between Dagestanis and their colleagues in the army. In this regard, even a new term appeared - “Dagovshchina” along with “hazing”.
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  1. Igor
    +2
    14 January 2012 08: 49
    Reform is in all its glory: a new look, a new form, hazing is not there, and the army is only disabled.
    1. +8
      14 January 2012 09: 09
      Any suggestions? Or just scratch your tongue?
      1. wk
        +7
        14 January 2012 09: 25
        I believe that an appeal for one year should be compulsory for all, except for patients, people with disabilities, and be carried out from 20 to 21 years old, when the human psyche is more streamlined. Delays are possible for graduation (optionally taking into account 1 year), but with the obligatory completion of service upon graduation. Only a UNIVERSAL appeal can create the reserve potential necessary for a possible big war with the possibility of bringing the army to 3-10 million in a short time (1-6 months depending on the mobilization) in case of complication of the situation, while I do not deny the possibility of a parallel professional army numbering 200-300 thousand capable of conducting protracted combat actions in regional conflicts (in the era of which peace enters) on an ongoing basis with the possibility of attracting and draft troops if necessary
        1. Farkash
          +5
          14 January 2012 13: 24
          I support you, just add that 1 year is not enough to prepare a full-fledged soldier.
          1. wk
            +4
            14 January 2012 14: 07
            Quote: Farkash
            1 year is not enough to prepare a full-fledged soldier.

            I think it’s quite enough if you are engaged in full-fledged preparation ... I myself served 2a years, and so, 70% of conscripts in the company were engaged in the construction of general dachas, serviced officers ’houses, did some left work at the cement plant (probably not disinterested for the command staff) .. and I admit I didn’t really want to leave for 2 years, when more than half of the peers did not get there at all.
            1. Patriot of Russia
              +3
              15 January 2012 23: 09
              I support. he served himself not so long ago. conscripts are engaged in anything but combat training. the officers just did the business. tariffs for daily, for daily leave, for thieves' outfits, where you can cut the dough, (say, patrols), and just free ones. constant levies "for the needs of the company", etc. half a year and a lieutenant in a wheelbarrow, not to mention the majors
        2. snek
          +3
          14 January 2012 16: 46
          Quote: wk
          be carried out from 20 to 21 years, when the human psyche is more streamlined

          Maybe the bullying is over and it will help to reduce it a little (although it will not save us from community members), but this measure has obvious drawbacks - by this time a fairly large number of people are either starting a family or taking systematic steps in this direction. Plus do not forget about the work.
          Quote: wk
          Only a UNIVERSAL draft can create the reserve potential necessary for a possible big war with the possibility of bringing the army to 3-10 million in a short time

          Just calling is not enough. Firstly, in order to have a reserve, it is necessary to intensively engage in combat training in ALL parts, which is not available now. Secondly, there should be regular (at least annual) fees so that the skills are not forgotten. This is practically nonexistent.
          1. wk
            0
            14 January 2012 18: 01
            Quote: snek
            Secondly, there should be regular (at least annual) fees so that the skills are not forgotten. This is practically nonexistent.

            About 3 years ago, I went to such fees, truthfully not myself, but on behalf of the director at work "bought out" his personal driver who got there, and I assure you from my observations and his stories, this is a complete profanation + large material costs, because according to the law these three months the salary of the reservist at the place of work is paid by the state, and there drunkenness and idleness flourish on the spot ... although some are very happy to take a break from work, mother-in-law ...
          2. wk
            +1
            14 January 2012 18: 25
            Quote: snek
            a large number of people or start a family

            by this time, not so big, in addition, large families can be encouraged with the opportunity not to serve (there will not be many of them, and the benefits from their "regeneration" will be no less than from service), by the way, in the Soviet Army such benefits were provided as Now I don’t know ... well, as for work, it’s possible to legislate the consolidation of the workplace, as for pregnant women ... but very often, during real hostilities, the psyche of a soldier could not stand it precisely because of his age, and many peoples have adulthood count from 21 years old!
        3. alexander hjcnjd
          -1
          15 January 2012 22: 42
          I think better call with 24
  2. Igor
    +4
    14 January 2012 09: 21
    Quote: rexby63
    Any suggestions? Or just scratch your tongue?

    If they cannot defeat bullying, then let the young call and the old-timers be divided in different parts.

    To take away from the military registration and enlistment offices the right to determine who should serve and who not. Indeed, these are the people who are interested in them because they give the plan from above from above, so they row everyone.
    1. itr
      +1
      14 January 2012 09: 55
      Hazing was and will be there if the army begins to call in 35 years when the brains prevail over harmonies
      1. +3
        14 January 2012 10: 33
        No, at 35 it’s too late and hard at this age to experience full-fledged army loads
    2. +5
      14 January 2012 10: 31
      Incorrect answer. While I was serving, there was an experiment with units of one call. Guess how it ended. And it's not about hazing, it's about educating your generation. If a person is told from kindergarten (I can't find another word) that the army is evil, it's bad, then the person will strive to avoid the army all his life. And when he does get there, even in an exemplary unit, he will subconsciously oppose himself to his colleagues. If at the same time he is physically prepared, then the case ends with bullying on his part, if not, then they will infringe on him. And how many of you are now "prepared" for the service? In my opinion, more than 2/3 of the total number of young people of military age. Why am I saying this. The very first thing is to start educating from a young age in the spirit of healthy patriotism. (probably, as in the states, at the moment, Israel seems to have fucked up its youth) And educators should be people who should not even think of the thought: "Who needs it, educate these kovs." it is the prerogative of the IHC to determine whether a person is fit for service or not. So we must start with them.
      1. +6
        14 January 2012 13: 05
        The first step is to return to school primary military training, by the way and retirees will go retirees to work with pleasure.
        1. Bayun
          +1
          15 January 2012 08: 43
          I completely agree - there should be an NVP at school. For example, instead of life safety. There will be more benefits, especially if you introduce a course of survival in the wild.
          1. azgard
            +1
            15 January 2012 12: 28
            Now it’s already like NVP is included in the program, it is only included in the OBZh and classes 10-11 are in progress
  3. Igor
    +9
    14 January 2012 10: 11
    Quote: itr
    Hazing was and will be there if the army begins to call in 35 years when the brains prevail over harmonies

    In Israel, when former Russian immigrants who served in the Republic of Armenia were drafted into the army, these natives also tried to impose bullying in the Russian army in Russian, however, several public trials and the problem were solved.
    1. prykordonyk
      +2
      14 January 2012 14: 24
      I agree that if there are non-statutory relations in the RA, this means that it is beneficial to the management.
      1. petor41
        +5
        14 January 2012 19: 48
        Well, what are you writing about? Eliminate bullying! Is it some kind of material object or loophole in the legislation, or what is it? This is a common social phenomenon! You at least turn inside out, even put an officer on every soldier, even sue everyone - hazing will not go anywhere, because this is a normal phenomenon for people who spend day and night together 24 hours a day for 365 days! People have emotions! Once you knocked someone just because of a bad mood, he grabbed, the second time you deliberately knock him, he grabs, and then it will go back to normal! It's common for kids to hurt each other in the sandbox! There will always be "cool" and "fuckers"! And with bullying the same thing! The only way to combat bullying is to keep the soldiers busy from getting up to lights out, so that they don't have free time at all! I looked at this bullying from the inside for 8 years (3 years of Sura and 5 years of VVUZ) weak-minded people are always exposed to bullying (among the common people, fuckers), physically weak but brave or principled no one touches! We need to educate our children properly, so that men grow out of them, and not doormats like now!
        1. Lakkuchu
          -2
          14 January 2012 20: 42
          Absolutely right.
        2. SAVA555.IVANOV
          -3
          15 January 2012 14: 58
          Well, if the officer thinks so, then let the army be "Emo", rappers ", goths, drug addicts and alcoholics, prostitution is already flourishing, it turns out like this ??? !!
          1. petor41
            +2
            15 January 2012 15: 16
            SAVA555.IVANOV
            Why distort my words? I’m telling you that hazing is a social phenomenon that has always been and always will be, once there was once more less (now I think there were fewer more in the USSR) Example: for 1-2 years of higher education institution they lived in The barracks were tough hazing among cadets, as soon as in the 3rd year they were transferred from the barracks to the hostel and there was free access to the city, hazing almost immediately disappeared, although the same people remained! The barracks gives birth to hazing, but without a barracks in any way! Even though honors from intelligent families to put in the barracks will still appear hazing!
            1. SAVA555.IVANOV
              0
              15 January 2012 19: 23
              DO NOT LIVE WITHOUT Jokes !!! Enough for us to "break lances" I really have emotions and a real vision of the problem, so tell me how to overcome it. Otherwise, the "soldiers' mothers" will be persuaded by figures like Nemtsov and Kasparov to meet careless officers at the checkpoint and beat them with bags and scratch their faces, the mother's power is boundless, such a resonance will go not far from the revolution, which will come in handy for the enemies of the former USSR. ...
              1. petor41
                -1
                15 January 2012 21: 52
                SAVA555.IVANOV
                What other jokes when you and a couple of "comrades" throw mud at the officers! In your words, you are no less than 40 years old, it is very sad to listen to this from the older generation!
                1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                  0
                  16 January 2012 00: 34
                  Well then, dear "Whatman", let's leave jokes and think about my proposal seriously "EMO" and "GOTA" I do not like, but something like "Snow is spinning", "Land of fathers", "A soldier is walking around the city" and from modern Mikhail Kirilov "Sineva" in general, in this spirit, maybe those couple of comrades will stop sling mud)))
  4. Owl
    +1
    14 January 2012 10: 14
    Where they went - they came to that. The populist decision to shorten the term of service in the Armed Forces has led to the fact that in the Army and the Navy, unprepared servicemen are "doing military service". As it turns out, shortening the service life does not reduce the number of mowers.
  5. SAVA555.IVANOV
    0
    14 January 2012 11: 43
    Because so many officers themselves are simply chukhans (just to not work, there’s no war) back in 89, when I saw how my grandfather was pretending to be an officer, my attitude began to change slowly. OFFICERS !!! I WALTE IN A DIFFERENT LOAD AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THE ARMY IS NOT A SHAME FOR YOU. YOU IN THE DIVISIONS SOLDIERS ARE EASTERING, MONEY IS EXEMPTED FOR PERSONAL DISAPPEARANCE, WHICH IS SHORT, IS SHORT, IS SHORT, IS STARTING IT WAS YOU YOUR AUTHORITY WHICH YOU GAVE SUVERS, NAKHIM, EARS EARNED, FOR THE CAUCASUS AT ALL, YOU BEFORE THEM AND IN THE SOVIET TIME YOU HAVE BEEN OPERATED, CONSIDERED !!!!! !!
    1. petor41
      -1
      14 January 2012 19: 53
      SAVA555.IVANOV
      Words choose Ch.M.O. K.O.N.CH.E.N.O.E. all under one comb do not row U.R.O.D.! As people like you, the land wears N.E.D.O.U.M.O.K. !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently you and E.B.A.L.I. in the unit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. petor41
        -1
        14 January 2012 20: 04
        SAVA555.IVANOV
        Sorry immediately !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. petor41
          0
          14 January 2012 21: 16
          Again them because of emotions broke angry
      2. SAVA555.IVANOV
        -2
        14 January 2012 23: 31
        ABOUT !!! PITUH CARDBOARD OUTLET !!!!! "OFFICER" WHAT ARE YOU ???? WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING THE TRUTH IS AFRAID OF !!!! OR YOU THINK THANKS TO MY COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT BE PAYED !!! ???? SKIN !!!!! OR DID YOU AT LEAST TO ONE MOTHER EXCUSE !!!! ????? IT GOES TO SERVE DO YOU SEE !!! ???? SHOULD NOT WORK !!!!!!! ????
        1. thatupac
          0
          15 January 2012 01: 21
          Troll, calm down, otherwise you’ll fly into the ban, that death is like for you lol .
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            -6
            15 January 2012 07: 09
            Quote: thatupac
            otherwise you’ll fly into the ban
            AND!!!! That’s what !!!! So are you BATCHING !!!!!! ????? Shut up you chumakhhod, someone touched you !!! ???
            1. petor41
              -1
              15 January 2012 08: 01
              SAVA555.IVANOV
              Scoundrel, it’s disgusting that there are such!
              1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                -6
                15 January 2012 08: 27
                Well, tell me about yourself too, will I see what kind of GADAY you are ??

                Minus !! ?? Skin !!!!!
  6. Jeen
    -2
    14 January 2012 11: 52
    An interesting fact is that as a result of the autumn draft of 2011, almost no residents of Dagestan were called up in the RA. According to statistics, only 121 people were sent from this republic, while most of the conscripts were of Slavic nationality. This is largely due to the difficult relationships that arise between the Dagestanis and their colleagues in the army. In this regard, even a new term appeared - "Dagovschina" along with "hazing"
    Only Dagestan?
  7. SAVA555.IVANOV
    -2
    14 January 2012 12: 02
    Why is a country that does not defend its interests around the world contractors !!!! ????? What would in peacetime eat up budget money !!! ???? What would the guys keep in the barracks !! ?? Instead of starting families and raising Russian people !!! ??? What would their girls fuck and rubbish with their mistresses while they are sitting in the barracks !!!!!? ???? There are special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and other brave and trained fighters at different CTOs. It would be better if the money was sent to help the newlyweds, but there are many sore to those who are at the origins of such a problem as the lack of recruits.
    1. prykordonyk
      +4
      14 January 2012 14: 18
      The whole civilized world is gradually moving to a contract army. It is a fact!
      1. +3
        14 January 2012 14: 42
        I do not agree. a contract army should be present, especially in highly specialized professions. but the call must be canceled. army must be voluntary. wanted to serve, serve. I wanted to 18 perfectly, I wanted to 35 well. some incentives can be invented, such as free higher education, preferential mortgages, with part of the payment by the state. and with regard to the short service life, it is not true that it is not possible to teach a soldier combat skills or a military specialty in a year. We’re not trying to teach a fighter to pilot a TU-160. Of course, if you don’t teach a fighter, but fill up the current logs, go to firing once a year, then it’s not enough a year. it takes about 25 years then. bears in the circus are taught to ride a motorcycle.
        1. +3
          14 January 2012 17: 56
          Quote: core
          some incentives can be invented, such as free higher education, preferential mortgages, with part of the payment by the state.

          when in 2006 I signed a contract they promised that in the future a free tower!
          TOTAL = even having a veteran's advantage I pay 17 pieces per session (and the price rises! "! 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      2. SAVA555.IVANOV
        -2
        14 January 2012 16: 05
        "The whole civilized world" is fighting in Aganistan, Iraq, fought in Yugoslavia and Libya, is going to Syria and Iran AND LOOKS AT THE WHOLE FORMER USSR !!!!!!
        1. paul to
          +2
          15 January 2012 14: 18
          SAVA555.IVANOV
          Your avatar is cool Ivanov, I love both Mironov and Ostap, whom he plays, but your comments are not correct! I think Libya, Iraq and other countries have a different opinion about the "civilized world"!
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            -3
            15 January 2012 14: 48
            I say that the "civilized world" is not fighting in its own territories and it (NATO, the US Armed Forces) needs a contract army, there is a tough calculation
  8. zavesa01
    +10
    14 January 2012 12: 27
    People from the Caucasus are very strong with ethnic ties, while Russians have absolutely no ties with them, and the second is power sports. Caucasians are very appreciated for wrestling, boxing, etc. What can they oppose to modern urban marriages and village simpletons? Absolutely nothing. At the same time, at the age of 18 - 20 years, radicalism and opposition of oneself to the whole world are still heard. So it turns out I’m stronger, more entrepreneurial, more sociable, which means that you goof will work for me. If the team has immigrants from the Caucasus and 5-6 Slavs engaged in martial arts, and not sucking beer on the porches, then the attitude towards THESE Slavs is normal.
    Concerning hazing. Understand ANY group of people that society is accordingly MUST be a leader. After all, there are leaders and outsiders in the civilian world. Another important factor is interpersonal relationships. If in civilian life you can leave a team you do not like, then here it is not. You have to live with those people with whom fate has brought you together. Why there was a popular opinion that the army is a school of life. Not because I taught military skills, but just because I taught interpersonal relations, communication in a team, the ability to defend my point of view, and responsibility for saying and promising.
    Modern youth communicating on the Internet under a variety of nicknames has lost the habit of talking with living people.
    You can argue to me that not all of them are like that, but they hit just such.
    With regards to the officers. Respect is not shoulder straps, but a person. What is the authority of a lieutenant who has not seen life at all? For example: an officer’s career began with the cadet class, where he was hammered up from an early age on the exclusivity of the officer corps, then Suvorov, this is the same boarding school for orphans, then a school with the same relations with the same as himself. And at all stages he is told that he does not need to think, they have already thought for you. The order is not disputed. Failure to comply should be punished. A soldier comes to him who, since the age of 16, has already earned money on his own (these are precisely the ones who become leaders). At the exit, a soldier has much more life experience than an officer. And if at the same time, at least once from the side of this commander, an unlawful punishment or failure to fulfill LEGAL requests will follow, then ALL. The authority is lower than the plinth, the respect is completely absent, and the indication of any blunders begins, which leads to an even greater loss of authority and respect.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -3
      14 January 2012 13: 02
      Quote: zavesa01
      What is the authority of a lieutenant who has not seen life at all?
      Amers have in the training of a soldier such a concept as "brain power" or something in this regard, and the physical strength of an officer is simply obligatory, not 20 times to pull up on the bar, but in the full sense of the word, at least pull a comrade on his shoulders, in spite of what weight does he himself have. Well, and it is natural to support the laws of officers like "a crime against a serviceman is punishable as in war", execution on the spot, officers in modern conditions should be a caste in which to take only people assimilated in a given country according to universal human concepts and not grown up according to the method of sectarians, all kinds of nationalities, we see this following the example of Dzhokhar Dudaev
    2. Volkhov
      0
      17 January 2012 22: 31
      In nature, bullying disappears with a machine gun, which means that a soldier should always be armed, as it was in Russia and the USSR at its beginning, but the authorities need slaves, so there is a kindergarten in the barracks for overgrown children.
      Check nonsense about "standing up for yourself" on dogs - they are like people, different. There is always someone weak, tongue-tied, and there are those who want to show themselves against his background, and in a group. Psychologically, such people are afraid of wild animals, weapons, i.e. not ready to die for the right to be bullied, therefore for equality you need weapons and martial law on discipline.
  9. +6
    14 January 2012 12: 30
    Life in 1 year is stupid.
    Optimum service life in combat units 1,5 years.
    This allows you to train personnel to translate knowledge into skills and rotate painlessly for combat readiness of units. Hazing can be understood in different ways - there are its many manifestations - it's like a rainbow from quite harmless to unacceptable. And the color of each particular unit depends on the officers of this unit.

    Add immediately served 2 of the year
  10. zavesa01
    +6
    14 January 2012 12: 35
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    What would the guys keep in the barracks !! ?? Instead of having families and Russian people brought up !!!?

    The contractor must NOT sit in the barracks. This is a COMPLETE member of society, just his profession is to defend his homeland. The question is that we treat contractors as conscripts and therefore cannot recruit. And why the "contract" officers are NOT contract soldiers. Now in the army, ALL contracts are concluded simply by positions that are different for everyone, but our army is contractual. Both an officer and a contract sergeant, both must be highly professional WARRIORS, just each at his post.
    1. +3
      14 January 2012 14: 50
      the keyword MUST NOT, BUT IN FACT, they are sitting in the barracks, more precisely in cockpits, and the attitude is the same as for conscripts. cattle. senior officers rob them like sticky. remembering how mother was surprised when she saw how they clean the snow in the kindergarten, in the kindergarten, she asked the conscripts, they don’t say a contract, and mother told them, and I thought you were defending the MOTHERLAND, I would also work as a janitor for that kind of money. the salary in the kindergarten teacher 6 thousand.
    2. NKVD
      +3
      14 January 2012 22: 08
      PROFESSIONALS BEGIN THE WAR, AND LOVERS END.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        -2
        14 January 2012 23: 37
        It is as if they are brave in peacetime, but as a war, "help people"!, Scrambled all the way to Moscow, until the people rose.
        1. thatupac
          -2
          15 January 2012 01: 25
          Until Stalin issued the order "Not one step back!" Then they realized that the Nazis were ahead, and the NKVD was behind, and the relatives in the GULAGs and would go to hard work + get into the penal battalion - 100% death. That is why we stopped because going back is worse than going forward. Learn some materiel, troll, otherwise you've already gone to bed.
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            -4
            15 January 2012 07: 14
            [quote = thatupac] and in the back - the NKVD [/ quote]
            [quote = thatupac] Teach materiel, a troll, otherwise it is already completely overwhelmed.
            WRITER wink
          2. -1
            15 January 2012 12: 05
            "order not a step back" No. 227 would have been issued by the current in the summer of 1942. and Moscow was defended by volunteer schoolchildren, not as military personnel. there were no 24-year-old men left after the war.
            1. +1
              15 January 2012 13: 31
              Quote: core
              and Moscow was defended by volunteer schoolchildren, and not like, not regular military personnel.

              Where did you hear this? For interest, ask about the Siberian and Far Eastern divisions transferred to Moscow at the end of 41. who took part in the counteroffensive near Moscow. And the "people's militia" after a short time and sank into oblivion (partly it was called up for active service, partly disbanded), they did not play a special practical role.
              1. -2
                15 January 2012 16: 55
                The Far Eastern and Siberian divisions deployed at the end of 1941 took part in the counterattack near Moscow, kept their headquarters until the last, and sections of the front were shut up by schoolchildren and peasants and battered military units. and when the German ran out of steam, he stopped, then the reserve said his word. but about disbanded, yes, but only after the battle of Moscow. but only they have not sunk into oblivion, but have become ordinary military units.
  11. SAVA555.IVANOV
    -5
    14 January 2012 12: 40
    The officers are obliged not to give descent to anyone then, and he has authority, and by special order to allow the use of weapons (this is for fellow countrymen who outside the unit want to meet)
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -3
      14 January 2012 16: 13
      "Forgive me for a mistake" an officer should give everyone and give everything, and if he is not obeyed, it doesn't matter, and he has nothing to do with weapons at all (and if his soldiers' countrymen meet him outside the unit and begin "claims" to him, they serve him right, and let him not forget to "turn the other cheek") wink So it seems more positive !!! ??
      1. thatupac
        -1
        14 January 2012 21: 36
        You’re definitely some kind of Internet fool who writes frank murder, for which he is not responsible in fact. It can be seen that you did not serve according to the heresy you wrote. And the Caucasians and so you are cheating on a citizen nobly. Practice shows that only in the internet it is a lot of fun to bawl, and in real life it is worthless. To the scrap.
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          -3
          15 January 2012 07: 17
          Quote: thatupac
          according to the heresy you wrote
          Read the fool, watch the news !!!!!
  12. zavesa01
    +5
    14 January 2012 12: 50
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    The officers are obliged not to give anyone descent then and he has authority, and by special order to allow the use of weapons

    In what sense do not give a descent? As for the special order: this order is (the law on self-defense) as well as permission to carry service weapons.

    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    Because so many officers themselves are simply chukhans

    What do you mean by this word? I personally did not understand you. Dear where you yourself served?
  13. +4
    14 January 2012 13: 27
    An interesting fact is that as a result of the autumn draft of 2011, almost no residents of Dagestan were called up in the RA.
    These republics live on our money, subsidies, being Russian citizens, feel at ease throughout Russia - let them go and protect Russia! At least in the same regions, at the borders where they come from, where they are currently being protected Peace is OUR soldiers.
    1. thatupac
      -3
      14 January 2012 21: 39
      Ours is being raided from them, from these Caucasians. And so that our Russian soldiers once again do not overshadowed by Dag, Caucasians and Tuvans with Kazakhs and do not gain much. Although they even offer money for the service. But they still don’t take them, because the places are already full.
    2. +1
      15 January 2012 13: 34
      And then new militants will appear in the bandit underground, mastering the knowledge and skills during the service. This time. Secondly, can you imagine what one draftee can do with brainwashed Wahhabis on a cruiser, submarine or large ammunition depot? By the way, they don’t call from Chechnya at all. And rightly so.
  14. SAVA555.IVANOV
    -4
    14 January 2012 13: 32
    88-90 Murmansk region. It refers to the personnel, and if someone is disliked and indulged, it is not fair and looks like weakness and even cowardice (this is where the chukhans and various other formulations come from)
  15. sanyarusian
    +6
    14 January 2012 13: 48
    it’s good that this spring call will be increased. God willing will probably go to serve in the spring
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -1
      14 January 2012 13: 56
      Quote: Sanyarusian
      it’s good that this spring call will be increased. God willing will probably go to serve in the spring
      So can a person with a capital letter !!!! Well done!!!!!))))
      1. sanyarusian
        +5
        14 January 2012 14: 14
        thank you))) yes not only I say now so many say. here I have friends, many have served, many serve and many want to serve. Now it’s already prestigious. Respect appears to those who have served.
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          -3
          14 January 2012 16: 00
          See !? Sanyarussky, "bad people" don't like your zeal at the expense of the army !!! wink
  16. +2
    14 January 2012 14: 24
    With regard to the reduction of the number of the Armed Forces, proposals of various "figures" are constantly being made. Of course, the maintenance of the army is costly and it does not produce anything .... And to give "our", honestly stolen money, to social programs, our hands-drivers, well, just "zapadlo" ... Therefore, the number of the Armed Forces by the spring of 2012 will be less than 800 thousand people, and by the end of the year about 600 thousand people. In order to observe the principle of staffing of military units and formations of constant readiness developed by the General Staff, this means a further process of disbanding existing military units ...
    But do not worry. The number of Internal Troops, the protection of the president and other security structures of this gang will not decrease, but even increase.
    As for the need to increase the duration of conscription, this is which side to look at. If we talk about the possibility of training in one year a class military specialist in a high-tech specialty, then with a normal secondary education of a conscript, this is quite possible.
    If we talk about an increase in the number of aircraft, then without increasing the length of the service life of conscription, at this time, this problem cannot be solved.
    I have a big request to visitors to this site - you don’t need to paint all the officers of our Armed Forces with one paint.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -1
      14 January 2012 15: 45
      Quote: piston.k
      I have a big request to visitors to this site - you don’t need to paint all the officers of our Armed Forces with one paint.

      And no one smears all the officers with one paint !!! ONLY THOSE WHO IN DEPARTMENTS "DEDOVSHCHINA" AND ANTI-STATE BEHAVIOR OF NATIONAL DIASPORES, ABOUT THE OPERATION OF WORK AT THE Dachas, WE ARE SILENT, WE UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS OF THE OFFICER SHOULD BE STRONG !!
      1. +1
        15 January 2012 14: 09
        SAVA555.IVANOV.
        Why did you decide that my request concerns only you?
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          -3
          15 January 2012 14: 21
          piston.k Apparently I'm the only one who agrees with you in something and probably the only one who read it))))
  17. grizzlir
    -1
    14 January 2012 14: 49
    My opinion is that the Russian army should completely switch to a contractual basis. The current conscription system cannot provide troops with high-class military specialists. You need to have fully professional troops so that soldiers and officers hone their combat skills from year to year, rather than think about when the demobilization is. And for all young people, you can organize two-month courses in military affairs, in 2 months it’s quite possible to learn the basics of tactics and learn how to handle weapons. But I know that in modern Russia it is impossible to have a fully professional army, professionalism means a decent salary, and the state spends on military salaries really does not like.
    1. thatupac
      -3
      14 January 2012 21: 44
      You have utopian views, comrade. It’s the same as saying that the country's population should be like the population of China, but only our mothers don’t want to give birth to something. There are those in court who have less than 5 children in the family. And that there is no money for such a horde, let them make claims to themselves.
  18. +6
    14 January 2012 15: 05
    In my opinion, poet Dmitry Lyalyaev has a very good poem on this subject.
    [/ center] ... the words "Motherland" and "Motherland" -
    Not a change of copper in your wallet!
    If you don’t see your homeland
    Look at life in the distance.
    [Center]
    To the mess that’s happening in the country,
    And we can’t find the guilty!
    The conscripts are "shukher"
    Not wanting to go to "fight"!
    [/ center] Say that there is no Russia,
    Maybe you know better
    But how big are we
    Legions of "mowers"!
    [Center]
    No, not those that cut the grass,
    Putting her in stacks
    Those that have not shaved their heads
    Fearing to open the horns!
    [/ center] "- there are some, stupid people!
    I'm smart, I'm not like that! ",
    This is how you were raised
    Why did you grow up such a "hero" ?!
    [Center]
    "- this army, what gives?
    Reluctance to lose two years! "
    But the man who said that?
    Yes, man, man - B .... b!
    [/ center] Forgive me, Puritans,
    Swearing my rumor
    Just be offended if
    Words do not apply to you!
    [Center]
    Those who happened to "roll over"
    Let the breasts calmly wrinkle,
    To prostitutes and just girls
    That they sell their services.
    [/ center] Only if you are confused with her
    And they will offer to go to bed
    Don't blame Putin
    That the country has turned into a brothel.
    [Center]
    Here is your "kosarskaya" merit,
    You're smart, you're not easy!
    Legions in the country "geysar",
    "Gay boy" is such a "deffka"!
    [/ center] Where are the tales of the ancient Rusich ?!
    Or are tales a complete lie?
    Well, dense. We lived in the tracts
    And from the dense - what will you take ?!
    [Center]
    Well, they didn’t know that it would be better
    "Lie down" under the Tatars,
    And Susanin, tormented by the Poles,
    I didn’t want to show them Moscow.
    [/ center] And the French - what a joy,
    B taught how to love!
    But Kutuzov arranged "disgusting"
    He ordered the whole of Moscow to burn
    [Center]
    The Germans came to Russia.
    "- Mother! Eggs, brot, milk!"
    We did not like the strangers
    Although they lived not far.
    [/ center] So many clinics in the city today,
    "- Five minutes - your body with an end!"
    Only women can be seen
    Never be a father.
    [Center]
    A father bequeaths to his son
    Defend your homeland.
    I’ll take the card out of the album,
    Here he is Grandfather, here is the Father, here is the Mother ...
    [center] [/ center] It’s obvious that I’m enough to swear with you
    There is a problem and it is necessary to solve!
    We shouldn't be scared today
    With your weakness, the world will amuse!
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -1
      14 January 2012 15: 56
      Well, you give Ascetic !!!!! All comments are clearly aimed at the goal without emotions and unnecessary ardor, but with weighty arguments and facts.
  19. zavesa01
    +2
    14 January 2012 16: 05
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    if dislike is shown to someone and indulge in someone, then this is not fair and looks like weakness and even cowardice

    Here in this I completely agree with you. But they are afraid, they are AFRAID of their personnel. HOW can you serve like that?

    Quote: piston.k
    I have a big request to visitors to this site - you don’t need to paint all the officers of our Armed Forces with one paint.

    But nobody smears ALL, but it is precisely such unfortunately the majority. Or maybe someone sees in a soldier at least equal to himself? Never !!!!!!!! A soldier for the majority of cattle officers and this is a fact. There are normal, adequate people, but unfortunately they usually go to the citizen.
    1. +1
      14 January 2012 16: 13
      their "LEAVE" to civilian life.
  20. zavesa01
    +3
    14 January 2012 16: 20
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    to support officers with laws such as "a crime against a serviceman is punishable as in war", execution on the spot, officers, in modern conditions, this should be a caste in which to take only people assimilated in a given country according to universal human concepts and not raised by the method of sectarians, all kinds of nationalities,

    As for the execution, my friend turned down, what are the guarantees that there will be no one willing to settle personal scores, this time. An officer will be able to JUST shoot ANY soldier in such a way, arguing that a crime has been committed against him, and there is enough lawlessness. On the second point: how to select young boys according to "universal" concepts? Such people are needed, first of all, in law enforcement agencies, government agencies, politics, economics, etc. And in general it was not a bad thing to have a population that would meet such requirements.

    I repeat, the officer should USE THE DESIGNED AUTHORITY. Only on this principle can an army exist. Remember the experience of the Second World War when the commander was called "Batey". Certainly not for the exactingness of knowledge of the drill regulations.

    Quote: core
    their "LEAVE" to civilian life.

    And this also has a place to be, for very quickly they become objectionable. The so-called white crows.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -3
      14 January 2012 16: 26
      I still remember about the battalion commander and say MAN !!!)))
    2. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -3
      15 January 2012 00: 00
      Quote: zavesa01
      As for the execution, you old man bent,

      I agree, bandits should be protected wink
  21. zavesa01
    +2
    14 January 2012 16: 41
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    I still remember about the battalion commander and say MAN !!!)))

    Unfortunately, the majority have a completely different opinion. When EVERY serviceman so speaks of his commander then the army will be invincible.

    quote = SAVA555.IVANOV] and if his fellow countrymen meet him outside of the unit and begin to "claim" him to present it rightly, and let him not forget to "turn the other cheek [/ quote]
    If demanding but JUST and AUTHORITY uses then NOBODY will meet him. But do not confuse demanding and nit-picking from scratch.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -5
      14 January 2012 16: 48
      I joked for the sake of grief -commenters !!)))
      1. thatupac
        +2
        14 January 2012 21: 46
        Well, definitely balabol. lol
  22. 755962
    +4
    14 January 2012 17: 24
    I train my kid on simulators, he’s great from an early age, the pool is at least every day, dumbbells ... DO NOT whine, do push-ups, Sorry, what about me. Do you need heroes in your homeland? But the question was, what to offer? I propose to start with morality-this is your country! And protect it for you! Like this angry
    1. thatupac
      +3
      14 January 2012 21: 49
      I served 2 years. So, when I returned, everyone like you dismissed the country to the utmost and we arrived all sorts of tidbits were bored and you can’t answer anything. I wouldn’t protect you (and in case of war, too) such human garbage. Breathe in the same way as many drunkards and drug addicts. Your self-conceit is higher than reality. Darwin confirms. To the scrap.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        -4
        14 January 2012 23: 53
        And let me ask you ??? What are you all about junk but about garbage ??? Is the topic close to my heart ?? Do you like the word GARBAGE ??? Immediately visible in real life, you are a "serious" cartoon wink
        1. thatupac
          +1
          15 January 2012 01: 29
          In real life, I would have turned your jaw a long time ago. And so - the monitor is a pity. And with human rubbish, I select only such words. You do not hide pity, trollin lol .
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            -4
            15 January 2012 07: 31
            In real life, you are talking to the monitor NAGULANY ISHAK !!!! We have seen such "fighters" !!!! Do you want to run into ??
  23. zavesa01
    +2
    14 January 2012 17: 58
    Quote: 755962
    this is your country! And protect it for you

    Exactly. And the upbringing of the son is correct. There are others. As an example, another upbringing, served as a fighter and so he even DIDN'T KNOW TO WASTE SOCKS. To the question "How did you live then"? answered saying that my mother was doing it. I speak to school, at the computer and to sleep. "Saint" was driven.
  24. n key
    0
    14 January 2012 23: 47
    Fuck an urgent army, you need to raise the prestige of contractors, and not take people for a year, there are people who should not go there, I know people who are involved in professional sports and they can’t leave their trainings for a year, they’re not given any delay there are also people who open their own business and it’s also impossible for them to go there, it’s important for everyone to have an army, but to mine all the poofs this army will really be an army, or as a proverb says, a soldier is sleeping and the service is on.
    1. thatupac
      +2
      15 January 2012 01: 31
      Well, you dodgers are cool. For a year, you’ll straighten the mountains right away, and you write that you cannot directly replay oaks from the military enlistment office in their field. Someone lied here for themselves, as I say, hehe ...
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        -4
        15 January 2012 07: 46
        Quote: thatupac
        Someone lied here for themselves, as I say, hehe ...

        "HEH" and you tell for yourself ??
  25. n key
    +3
    15 January 2012 03: 50
    I’m not shying away from the army, I’m talking about those who really shouldn’t lose a year, and talking about debt to my homeland is stupid, we’re worse off with such prices and taxes, and we’ll also borrow something from our homeland, only now I do not know.
  26. +9
    15 January 2012 05: 33
    I served in the army for more than one year and I think I have the right to my opinion. ALL MEN must serve in the army. But in which army and how? There should be no conscripts in combat units. Conscription for 1 year - FOR EVERYONE but for training, for a year of intensive training this is a mb and in the specialty "vus" from a cadet you CAN prepare a good fighter. And then - this is a contract service, and believe me, there will be many real soldiers. Here is a diagram of TRAINING - ARMY. There will be a reserve and parts of the permanent BG.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -1
      15 January 2012 07: 42
      The options may be different, and everyone has the right to life, but the result should be as follows, the country should receive a soldier trained according to that time
  27. SIA
    SIA
    0
    15 January 2012 07: 34
    thatupac,
    Calm down.
  28. SAVA555.IVANOV
    -3
    15 January 2012 08: 44
    petor41, thatupac type in your search engines hazing, violence in the army AND READ READ AND READ AGAIN, GATHERED BLESSES MORE AND GOGGLED !!!!!!!!!
    1. petor41
      +3
      15 January 2012 08: 56
      SAVA555.IVANOV
      Unlike you, I live a real life! I don’t have to type anything in search engines! I myself command the unit and can answer for my words!
  29. SAVA555.IVANOV
    -3
    15 January 2012 09: 09
    Here we are !!!! Well, how is it !!! ??? He dressed the form (WE RIGHTED YOUR CLOTHING, AS Maksimka WASTE AND ONLY AND LESS) came to the unit ordered time, ate state grub, rubbed the pants and go home, well, tell me what you do every God day!!!???
    1. 0
      15 January 2012 12: 11
      magazines write. tell how they conduct combat training winked and still do not forget the money from the conscript to shake on the TV of course for the barracks.
  30. -1
    15 January 2012 09: 40
    the army is engaged in combat training - every single day. and also self-training - I have 5 civil and 3 military specialties. What are you doing sava?
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -3
      15 January 2012 13: 11
      And I "sit waiting for the weather from the sea")))
  31. marauder
    +3
    15 January 2012 11: 01
    Dagestanis are not called in vain. Make Dagestan military units and send them to hot spots where physical strength is required.
    And to use our bataniks where brains are required. Invalids just do not touch, only take a place. Had to understaff contractors. Then everything will work out.

    Yes, I almost forgot. Expel Serdyukov.
  32. 0
    15 January 2012 11: 51
    http://95-2b.at.ua/publ/den_vdv/rossija/dembelskij_albom/10-1-0-12
  33. zavesa01
    +4
    15 January 2012 11: 59
    Is it really not clear that in our army there is NO combat training as such. Officers became office workers, soldiers cleaners. BP only on paper. Hence the unwillingness to serve. Well, the guy at the age of 18 does not want to become a janitor for a year. What is he wrong about? My friend (CCM in hand-to-hand combat) at one time called up and served in the Airborne Forces. So he taught his comrades the basics of melee. And in the evenings and in the cockpit. And why is such an army needed?

    My opinion is the root cause of all this is hidden in the command staff that cares only about its warm place and scored completely on the army. Hazing was not a cause; it was in the USSR, but it was not mowed down from the army. As a question, how many soldiers are expelled during the service?
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      -4
      15 January 2012 12: 45
      Two times three rounds angry
  34. +1
    15 January 2012 12: 20
    demand and fulfillment of official duties from all officials must and must by the Commander-in-Chief .STALIN.
  35. zavesa01
    0
    15 January 2012 12: 36
    In a nutshell, the army has longing and mortal boredom
  36. polukazak1
    +6
    15 January 2012 15: 35
    The fact that they serve the year and not two is okay. There is no kitchen, they don’t sweep the territory either. They focus on military training. And bullying is interesting, from what service life can you be called an elephant and a scoop if your grandfather served 8 months? not hazing, not a charter.

    for Russia, a utopia, of course, but to increase morale and mobilization readiness, as in Switzerland, I have served a weapon home. Home AGS or RPGs in the safe, fear the "bastard"

    For the authority of the officer, when he was serving, my company specific authority had on the chin on the horizontal bar hang for at least 10 seconds — it hung for a minute, one look was enough for grandfather to tremble before him
  37. sir
    0
    15 January 2012 19: 40
    guys, I read comments and didn’t understand what’s butted. I served half a century ago, and then most of the officers we called jackals and now I think it’s not better. We need to earn respect, and not to dirty each other on the forums. Sorry if that
  38. n key
    +1
    15 January 2012 20: 09
    C'mon, my friend just left to serve, as everyone was hired, and hired workers are still serving near Novorossiysk.
    I don’t have to not believe him, but to believe that they show me on the box is absolutely stupid.
  39. 0
    15 January 2012 20: 26
    Quote: petor41
    Words choose Ch.M.O. K.O.N.CH.E.N.O.E. all under one comb do not row U.R.O.D.! As people like you, the land wears N.E.D.O.U.M.O.K. !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently you and E.B.A.L.I. in the unit !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do not shout too much! Many officers really lost fear! And you need to drive these! Many creatures sold everything that stood on the balance of the unit! FUCK THAT SIMILAR TRADITORS ARE READY TO T-72 Ruthlessly AT THE METALLIC TORN! AND NOT ONE AND NOT ONE PART !!! FOR WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! For Sony's new TV home? for a food processor, or a home theater?!?!?! SO painful to talk about it ........ America surrendered for a penny a corrupt officer! few soldiers devoted to RUSSIA turn out to be left, but as long as we have tormented bedding bought!
    1. thatupac
      +1
      15 January 2012 21: 15
      Oh, la-la, went straight, raged lol . Be simpler. In our unit, officers served for money, contract soldiers also for money, conscripts for demobilization. And we had nothing there in terms of the desire to improve our military art. All of them nevermind, the main thing is that without a pale all this. And so that everything would not be sad at all, they would do it sometimes and shoot. Even for a year they went to Chechnya to Grozny to protect themselves from the Kadyrovites. And so, in fact, my service for 2 years was a shift. The task of which included the presence of me, as a torso with a machine gun, in a certain military unit. So that in case of something, there was no need for someone like me to look in the basements and search for entrances, and take it - put it in the Urals - and go with the rest and equipment to the emergency area. That's all. Life truth. Harsh and cool. And so, in fact, we don’t care for all of the khan: a nuclear strike - and in 10 minutes, all the krants. Which I wish you too.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        0
        16 January 2012 00: 40
        WE LIVE AND LIVE !!!
  40. alps
    0
    17 January 2012 11: 50
    I served in the army for 2 years and I can say that for military service this is a lot, there is nothing to do there for two years. As for hazing, people who learn that they have to serve in the army, with all the attendant consequences, are very touched by people only when the agenda has arrived. My grandfathers were Dagestanis, I have nothing but respect for them now, they kept the company in order, not a trick-debelism, the absence of a brain and hazing are not the same thing. In our company, it was possible to get a good shuffle for a poorly cleaned weapon or for a neat appearance, who would say that it was bad, but this is hazing!
  41. Volkhov
    0
    17 January 2012 23: 03
    For some reason, they pass by the question of WHO to serve - to me in childhood he seemed to be the main ...
    The slogan for the crazy "army outside politics" made it possible to break up the Union, cut weapons, shoot ... And why is it surprising that now they do not want to join such an army.
    And indeed - let the generals, scouts with all their training, knowledge, stand in the corner, and locksmiths and housewives who see a file and a frying pan turn politics through the elections ...
    It’s just that now the process has reached an apotheosis - the United States is conducting evacuation transit to Afghanistan through Russia, and the blessed are given apartments in flooded areas - such a tough banter over the level of military thought.

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