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Aeroflot intends to replenish 70 fleet with domestic aircraft in 2017-2018 years

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Vitaly Savelyev, head of Aeroflot, was received by Vladimir Putin, President of Russia. The general director of the airline company told about the future plans of Aeroflot in terms of maintenance and renewal of the aviation fleet. Reports about it Kremlin press service.




Saveliev noted that the percentage of domestic air travel has increased significantly. If in the 2009 year, the airline transported no more than 5 million passengers in the Russian Federation (with 11 million in the total number of Aeroflot passengers), by 2015, the increase was more than 4. Domestic air transportation of the company reached the value of 23 million passengers per year. In comparison with large European and American companies, this is more than a modest indicator, but the dynamics of its increase remain. Still a big problem for a significant increase in domestic passenger traffic in the field of air travel remains a substantial price for air tickets. The so-called low-cost airlines have allowed the price to be lowered on average, but this is still not enough.

Saveliev tried to declare that, according to the Australian research company, Aeroflot’s separate air transportation ranks first in the world in terms of the dollar-kilometer combination, to which the president remarked:
You tell passengers about cheapness, they are unlikely to agree with you.


Vitaly Savelyev noted that Aeroflot was ready to replenish its fleet with a large number of domestically produced aircraft. First of all, we are talking about readiness to conclude a contract for the purchase of 50 MC-21 aircraft. In addition, the company intends to acquire the Sukhoi Superjet 20 aircraft to the available 30 vehicles. These purchases are planned for the 2017-2018 period.

The main task of the company, according to Savelyev, is to achieve indicators that allow Aeroflot to enter the top 20 world ranking.
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  1. OLD FART
    OLD FART 29 September 2016 17: 18
    +13
    No matter how bad our civil aviation is ... We need to strive for this, I think our airliners will be quite competitive .. Give me time!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 29 September 2016 17: 31
      +12
      The most difficult part is that we ourselves do not 100% completely make civilian aircraft, in particular the SuperJet-100 consists of at least 50% Western components and the most important thing is imported engines on it, and precisely because of this, a deal was said to be broken on them deliveries to Iran since our partners from the West did not start to compete with themselves because Tehran bought a large batch.
      I hope the situation with the MS-21 will be much better, especially with the PD-14 engine.
      1. cniza
        cniza 29 September 2016 17: 47
        +12
        And Westerners are doing their planes, acquiring something from us, but we need to strive to completely replace all suppliers with Russian ones as much as possible.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 29 September 2016 17: 51
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          And Westerners do their planes, acquiring something from us

          What do some parts of titanium get and that's it?
          The main thing is modern engines, and then we don’t have them.
          1. Constton
            Constton 29 September 2016 18: 45
            +7
            The Irish CityJet ordered 15 aircraft, of which 2 are already flying + an option for another 16. Judging by the Western press, several aircraft can transfer from CityJet to AirFrance.

            Two Superjet business modifications ordered by Comlux from Switzerland + 2 options. 1 is already flying.

            Italy and its Blue Panorama Airlines are also waiting for 4 airplanes + an option for 8.

            These are only those countries that in our view belong to the so-called. "West" and these are only Superjets.

          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 29 September 2016 20: 21
            +4
            Quote: quilted jacket
            What do some parts of titanium get and that's it?

            In 1998, Boeing founded the Design Center in Moscow, which is currently the largest engineering center in Eastern Europe using modern computer technology. At the initial stage, only 12 engineers from the Design Bureau named after S.V. Ilyushin. Today, over 1200 engineers work at Boeing's Design Center under contracts with Russian companies - employees of leading Russian design bureaus and engineering service companies, as well as more than 200 full-time employees.
            For almost 15 years of history, the Boeing Design Center in Moscow has taken an active part in more than 250 projects, and since 2000 has been involved in all Boeing - Civil Aircraft programs, including large-scale projects such as 747 Boeing Converted Freighter, Boeing 737 -900ER, Boeing 777-200LR / 300ER, Boeing 777F, Boeing 767-200SF / 300BCF, Boeing 747LCF, the new 747 family aircraft - Boeing 747-8, as well as the latest airliner - 787 Dreamliner.
        2. Oml
          Oml 30 September 2016 02: 24
          +6
          to which the president remarked:
          You tell passengers about cheapness, they are unlikely to agree with you.

          Good phrase. The rich have their own measure of cheapness. Here would be from hard workers, past the hardships of life, would be the president’s entourage ...
          1. Shark Lover
            Shark Lover 30 September 2016 02: 34
            +8
            In August 2016, a ticket for a Vladivostok-Moscow-Vladivostok flight, by Aeroflot, without landing, cost 173 rubles (this is an economy). This is if you need to fly away within a week)))) Cheap !!!!!
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 30 September 2016 04: 26
              +7
              Flights from Helsinki to Paris start at 3 p. can be found cheaper, it's over 400 km in a straight line. From Vladik to Moscow one way - 1900 km, so yours should cost no more than 6400 23 r
              It turns out wrapping up 7,5 times ... Who is the money going to? And what the hell is that?
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 30 September 2016 04: 27
            +6
            Not everything that floats on top of the cream of society lol
            1. Donhapa
              Donhapa 30 September 2016 05: 32
              +3
              Quote: Simpsonian
              Not everything that floats on top of the cream of society lol

              This very "brain of the nation" is floating
      2. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 29 September 2016 17: 50
        +4
        Judging by your video, in the future it is possible to install PD series engines on a superjet.
      3. Simple
        Simple 29 September 2016 17: 58
        +10
        Quote: quilted jacket
        I hope the situation with the MS-21 will be much better, especially with the PD-14 engine.

        95% domestic
        In fact, the PD-14 is a direct competitor to the world's most widely used PW1400G aircraft engine, which is manufactured by the American company Pratt & Whitney, as well as the LEAP-1A engine from the French-American CFM International. In the meantime, the PD-14 engine will have certification at the IAC (scheduled for April 2017 of the year) and at EASA (a year later). Mass production of the engine is planned to begin in the 2018 year.
        FAA Certified PW1400G-JM Engine for MS-21 Aircraft


        PW1700G / PW1900G are expected 2018 year.
        The PW1400G version for the MC-21 is based on the PW1100G engine certified last December for the Airbus A320NEO. Ground tests of this engine (as well as PW1900G versions for Embraer) will begin this year, flight plans are planned for 2016.

        Fuel consumption is lower by 16% than with existing engines, emissions by 50%, noise by 75%
        the series is called PW1000G, and in it:
        PW1428G, PW1431G - for MS-21
        PW1124G, PW1127G, PW1133G - for A320neo
        PW1215G, PW1217G - for Mitsubishi Regional Jet
        PW1519G, PW1521G, PW1524G - for Bombardier CSeries
        PW1700G, PW1900G - for Embraer E-Jet E2

        PW1000G series with fan drive through gearbox (GTF technology)

        The PW1000G is the first ultra-high bypass turbofan with an 12.2: 1 dual bypass ratio. Thanks to the lightweight bimetallic aerodynamic shape of the fan coated with the composite casing, the fan efficiency, lower fan pressure ratios, and lower operating speeds provide a significant increase in propulsive (propulsion) efficiency and fuel economy.

        The planetary gearbox of the fan drive is the main difference between this development of a turbojet gearbox. PW has developed a robust step-down planetary gear reducer, with no part resource limitations, capable of handling higher thrust without significantly increasing weight.
        The Talon X Combustion Chamber is the third generation high-efficiency lean mixture chamber, which reduces NOx emissions by 50% to the CAEP / 6 standard.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 29 September 2016 18: 13
        +17
        Aeroflot promised to buy our planes even in the zero ones, and bargained for discounts from the government for the tax on the airbus and Boeing tax. But having bought imports, I forgot about our Tu-204.
        Modern menagers of the hosts, in their own words, wanted to give, but wanted to take it back, unlike the merchants under the old regime with their iron merchant's word.
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 29 September 2016 18: 57
          +8
          Aeroflot intends to replenish its aircraft fleet with 70 domestic aircraft

          Come on?! Aeroflot remembered that he is a Russian company?
          then by 2015 the growth was more than 4 times

          And if you make transfers not only in Moscow and St. Petersburg and fly to Sochi, for example, with six transfers, then the growth will be 600%
          1. Canep
            Canep 29 September 2016 19: 48
            +4
            As for 70 airplanes, they seem to have gotten excited over the course of two years. Today Aeroflot's fleet consists of 170 airplanes. And now they intend to buy immediately 70? Where does the loot come from?
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 29 September 2016 20: 24
              +3
              Quote: Canep
              And now they intend to buy immediately 70? Where does the loot come from?

              And they rivet 70 pieces in two years? Capabilities allow? recourse
            2. Alf
              Alf 29 September 2016 22: 21
              +4
              Where does the loot come from?

              State, give me money .. Dast? It will, of course, give us good ... to those who profit from the state.
      5. Ulan
        Ulan 29 September 2016 18: 29
        +5
        As far as I understand, with Superjet this was still done in order to facilitate certification in the west and for the same French to promote the aircraft in the west. Not fused. Here the Americans with the Ukrainian Maidan arrived in time and sanctions.
      6. Genry
        Genry 29 September 2016 19: 07
        +6
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Superjet-100 consists of at least 50% Western components and, most importantly, imported engines

        And here is your liberal liberality got out ...

        Normal people know that the cost of these imported components is only 25% of the cost of the aircraft. Find an imported, airplane where all the details of your production.

        In the engine, only the hot part is French. Everything else is Russian and final assembly too. Manufacturer PowerJet SA is a Russian-French joint venture established by NPO Saturn and the French company Snecma.
      7. donavi49
        donavi49 29 September 2016 19: 34
        +8
        Not SuperJet, but Tu-204СМ - PS-90А2 engines there, and Pratt & Whitney has the rights to them.

        In February, they were able to buy an engine from Pratt & Whitney, but it was too late, Iran began to buy Airbuses and Boeings ...

        In February of this year, Deputy Minister of Industry Yuri Slyusar said that the rights to the engine were purchased. "Actually, for Iran, the Tu-204СМ project was created. Intellectual rights to the Tu-204СМ engine (ПС-90А2), partially owned by the American Pratt and Whitney, were purchased", The deputy minister explained then.

        In fact, you can see the PV and sold the rights as soon as it became clear that sanctions were lifted from Iran and no one would buy Tu-204.
        1. exo
          exo 29 September 2016 20: 41
          +4
          I would add that Pratt & Whitney has the rights to the "flexible shaft". With the help of which it was possible to cure the sore spot, the Solovyov engines: to abandon the inter-shaft bearing.
      8. DmitryK
        DmitryK 29 September 2016 20: 14
        +2
        There are no orders at all for PD-14 ....
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 29 September 2016 22: 26
          +2
          They only experience it. What kind of orders?
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      10. Homo
        Homo 30 September 2016 00: 37
        0
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Superjet-100 at least 50% consists of Western components


        Where do these numbers come from? And why not 75% or 100%? Read: http://superjet.wikidot.com/wiki:v-ssj-80-importn
        yh-komplektuusih
    2. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 29 September 2016 17: 34
      +3
      Quote: STARPER
      You need to strive for this,

      Without the support of the government, the aviation industry cannot rise, they simply cannot survive such a competition with Boeing and Airbus, I’ll just keep silent about the creation of new cars, so take a look at Ukraine.
      1. Yuri from Volgograd
        Yuri from Volgograd 29 September 2016 17: 44
        +6
        Quote: katalonec2014
        Quote: STARPER
        You need to strive for this,

        Without the support of the government, the aviation industry cannot rise, they simply cannot survive such a competition with Boeing and Airbus, I’ll just keep silent about the creation of new cars, so take a look at Ukraine.

        Hard to disagree, your truth.
        In general, the news is excellent, our manufacturers really need such support.
        For MS, I don’t know yet, because it really doesn’t fly yet and the launch process on the conveyor is not fast, but Sukharik has been happy for a long time. Moreover, if the first Dryers were collected frankly handicraft (I'm talking about the build quality of the cabin), then, for example, the Su100 named after Barabash was better assembled than some watermelons and this is great.
        In general, I am for domestic eroplanes!
        1. katalonec2014
          katalonec2014 29 September 2016 18: 03
          +2
          Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
          For MS, I do not know yet

          The first bare test case was built and handed over to the test of strength, at the moment it is on the stand, where it is shaken, bent and broken.
          Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
          I'm talking about the build quality of the cabin

          That's about it, including Vatnik wrote, unfortunately Italian.
      2. Oml
        Oml 30 September 2016 02: 37
        +2
        Quote: katalonec2014
        Quote: STARPER
        You need to strive for this,

        Without the support of the government, the aviation industry cannot rise, they simply cannot survive such a competition with Boeing and Airbus, I’ll just keep silent about the creation of new cars, so take a look at Ukraine.



        How many do not support the auto industry, but the result? Coordinate changes in the minds of the owners of production are needed, and not as quickly as possible to grab. In the near future, they do not want to look, now and more, in order to have time to take out for the cordon.
    3. stas
      stas 29 September 2016 17: 46
      +5
      Need to recreate a powerful state airline
      Aeroflot subordinate to the Ministry of Civil Aviation of the Russian Federation.
      Then prices can be reduced.
      MGA is needed like the updated KGB.
    4. jaguar
      jaguar 29 September 2016 20: 44
      +3
      Let’s take it in order .. Our percent superjet is 30 percent no more, it’s too early to talk about ms-21. The Tu-334 project is hopelessly buried by Manturov, IL-114 cannot take off in any way ... Tu-214 flies only in two airlines .. IL-96 will not be revived either .... I haven’t seen anything joyful
      1. Stabilization
        Stabilization 29 September 2016 22: 46
        0
        Genry Today, 19:07 PM ↑ New
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Superjet-100 consists of at least 50% Western components and, most importantly, imported engines
        And here is your liberal liberality got out ...

        Normal people know that the cost of these imported components is only 25% of the cost of the aircraft. Find an imported, airplane where all the details of your production.

        In the engine, only the hot part is French. Everything else is Russian and final assembly too. Manufacturer PowerJet SA is a Russian-French joint venture established by NPO Saturn and the French company Snecma.
        1. Simple
          Simple 29 September 2016 23: 38
          +7
          Quote: Stabilization
          Manufacturer PowerJet SA is a Russian-French joint venture,

          PowerJet SA is not a resident of the Russian Federation

          it is understandable SA
          http://www.powerjet.aero


          Quote: Stabilization
          And here is your liberal liberality got out ...

          your stupidity comes out (excuse me)


          the share of imports in the supply of materials and goods amounted to 53.77%.

          a petty little petty creature crawls out ... illiterate

          Quote: Stabilization
          In the engine only the hot part is french

          "nothing is" .. "only"
          1. UEC (controlled by the State Corporation "Rostec" through the OPK "Oboronprom")
          receives only 17% of engine sales revenue, the rest goes to French Safran
          2.Hot - MOST EXPENSIVE AND TECHNOLOGICAL



          And Snecma (a division of the SAFRAN group) is responsible for the engine control system (FADEC) and the drive box.

          The nacelle is supplied by Aircelle (Safran group).


          NPO Saturn manufactures the “cold” part of the engine - a fan, compressor and low-pressure turbine, performs general assembly and bench tests of the engine.


          According to the UEC (in 2013), PowerJet receives 100 million rubles from the SSJ-78 manufacturer Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA) for one engine. But “Saturn” gets only 17% - 13 million rubles. (while the procurement of materials and direct costs are estimated at almost 28 million rubles), the remaining 65 million rubles. leave Safran.


          As one of the measures to improve the UEC indicators, it is proposed "to raise prices for SaM-146 for the UAC (United Aircraft Corporation, produces SSJ-100.- "Kommersant") to break even ".

          The project does not bring UEC profit, because "the sales volume is still low, the operation of the engines began recently, and high localization of production has not been achieved "

          And the French were taken as a share (or they us "53,77%!") Not because they are the best, but because they are LICENSE-INDEPENDENT from the USA (consider the only ones on the planet).
          Honor and praise (the French can be proud of: the same in rocket science, automotive engineering, high-speed radar, etc.)
          But .... but Oland supersnat * l
    5. meriem1
      meriem1 30 September 2016 04: 20
      +2
      Quote: STARPER
      No matter how bad our civil aviation is ... We need to strive for this, I think our airliners will be quite competitive .. Give me time!

      Of course it takes time !!! It’s only Gozman screeching how bad everything is))) They smashed everything ... they filled their pockets .. But not enough .............. And the planes produced in the USSR fell less than the western ones. About Su-shki ... I’ll be silent at all. The Americans themselves are talking about them. Everything will be! Our PEOPLE are so talented !!!!!!!!!!!!!! We must still be patient! And people with sausage breaking (liberals) let them go to the countries of their dreams !!! And do not impose on us their rotten world .. We remember the 90s !!!!
    6. Donhapa
      Donhapa 30 September 2016 05: 36
      +3
      [quote = STARPER ...
      ..... Give me time! [/ Quote]
      Well yes! Have you been waiting for about 30 years?
  2. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 29 September 2016 17: 24
    +3
    By the way, the International Air Transport Association (IATA) has compiled a closed rating of airlines, according to which Aeroflot took the first place among European carriers in terms of passenger service
  3. Shil
    Shil 29 September 2016 17: 25
    +5
    Yes, it is necessary to raise the aviation industry, otherwise the Brazilians and the Chinese are already stepping on their heels.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 29 September 2016 19: 30
      +6
      What is it that happened in Aeroflot that he drew attention to domestic aviation? True, I have already heard such promises about the acquisition of Russian aircraft more than once. And they will be fulfilled only if the controlling stake is in the hands of the Russian Federation, and in the next direct conversation between the people and the president, broadcast on TV, someone will ask a question about domestic civil aviation. And if the president says that, they say, the Attorney General and I will try to figure this out.
      Then, maybe ...
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 29 September 2016 17: 38
    +6
    here for this news you can rejoice. gradually civil aircraft manufacturers rise. I hope that our engines will come to the conclusion of the contract and the beginning of deliveries.
    1. avt
      avt 29 September 2016 18: 34
      +2
      Quote: newbie
      here for this news you can rejoice. gradually civil aircraft manufacturers rise. I hope that our engines will come to the conclusion of the contract and the beginning of deliveries.

      Already arrived in time, start those not a little, but just violently rejoice.
      The IAC Aviation Register announced the completion of the validation of the PW1400G-JM engine certificate, which was developed by the American company Pratt & Whitney for the new Russian narrow-body aircraft MS-21. The certified modification PW1431G-JM is designed for the basic version of the MC-21-300. P
      Quote: Just
      95% domestic
      In fact, the PD-14 is a direct competitor to the world's most widely used PW1400G aircraft engine, which is manufactured by the American company Pratt & Whitney, as well as the LEAP-1A engine from the Franco-American CFM International.

      Oooo-oo-oo-oo-oo! I believe that this certification will make it possible to directly conquer the world market ..... in Russia, well, it will crowd out competitors with their PD-14.
      Quote: pascal1973
      Here it is, another victory over the West! Well done our engineers, a little more and Boeing with Airbas will bend! Give me time! We are all ready to endure even until blue in the blue!

      Start to turn blue. fool And to speed up the process, here's another cheers
      The S7 Group, which operates Siberia and Globus airlines (both fly under the S7 Airlines brand), became the first Russian customer of the Boeing 737MAX re-engined narrow-body aircraft. As the official representative of S7, Anna Bazhina, told ATO.ru, the aircraft are acquired on operating lease from the American company Air Lease Corporation.

      The delivery of the first of nine aircraft is scheduled for September 2018.
      MS, as at one time here on the site indicated the SSI is at least 5 years late, and competitors, in the segment, have already started solid deliveries. And Aeroflot ... well, it will buy ... as well as the Superbudget .... where will it go? ...
      Quote: katalonec2014
      In this regard, we are very far behind them, we have not even risen from our knees, and you already predict their death.

      This ... how is it ... a shame to the "all prophet" wassatRead my post and ... be ashamed of your disbelief in the success of the civil aircraft industry and the next ,, capture of the market segment " wassat
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 29 September 2016 18: 49
        +7
        Meanwhile, the good news! The first flight of the Yak-152 was excellent!
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 29 September 2016 22: 30
        0
        It was stated in a press release that initially, MS 21 will be exported with imported blood pressure, and domestic with domestic ones. Why raise a tantrum?
      3. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 30 September 2016 03: 13
        +4
        What market segment?)))) What determines this segment? The number of shipments. Above, I wrote the cost of the flight Vladivostok-Moscow-Vladivostok. Take a look. February, round-trip-20 000. Then the growth went and reached in August 173 000 rubles !!! Economy class. Yes, in July it was 90 rubles.
        For example, the flight Sydney-Vladivostok, with a landing in Hong Kong, back there, if you need to fly away quickly - 60 rubles.
        The question to the techies about creating an economical engine, I think it’s not worth it, it’s necessary, they will create it. Here the question is about pricing. Between the techie who creates any car and the passenger is a bunch of fucking middlemen who, using an administrative resource (more honestly, having a paw in the upper circles) create a worthless LLC, with the function completely useless, but having a certificate, without which, by law, it’s impossible to use those .means. Often, the owner of such an LLC, may not even know where his office is, IT just gets the loot on the account, having bookkeeping and a couple of auditors.
        An example is not from this area, but indicative. My colleague is the head of security at a large factory, manufacturer. Every month, the plant transfers protection of 1 rubles (on the public procurement website you can see), transfers to Moscow to LLC ...., this LLC transfers to another LLC ...., also in Moscow, the last LLC transfers already to JSC, which is .... right, in Moscow. And to the head of security, for the payment of sn ... 300-000 450 rubles, 490% of the amount)))) 000 30 settles in the LLC, people in which do not even know where this plant is located.

        I think the same thing with the manufacturer-carrier-passenger chain. The manufacturer of any product ...........- consumer. Entire chains of dumb money laundering. Officials do not even need to steal, the scheme is perfect and everything is legal.
  5. Thirteenth
    Thirteenth 29 September 2016 17: 50
    +2
    Aeroflot intends to replenish 70 fleet with domestic aircraft in 2017-2018 years


    And it is right! Why buy imported Boeings and feed our overseas "partners" if you can purchase our technical specifications at a much more affordable price and not inferior in quality.
    It would not be bad if the state created the conditions under which small airlines refused to purchase used foreign aircraft in favor of a domestic manufacturer. There is already a question not only in the development and profits of our airport, but also in the elementary safety of flights.
    1. avt
      avt 29 September 2016 18: 44
      +3
      Quote: Thirteenth
      if you can buy our technical specifications at a much more affordable price and not inferior in quality.

      And where do you get Tu? At which plant they are being mass-produced? No, I really don’t know.
      1. exo
        exo 29 September 2016 21: 00
        +2
        Well, how is it: they did, until recently, three Tu-204/214 aircraft, at two plants :) A year. Now, it seems like only a special board, they do. For government squad and air force.
        Airbus makes over 30. Per month!
      2. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 29 September 2016 21: 12
        +2
        You'd better ask where the esteemed Thirteenth found our "small airlines"! It became interesting to myself! hi laughing
  6. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 29 September 2016 17: 51
    +1
    Zvezda TV Channel publishes a video of the first flight of the Yak-152 training aircraft for civilian and military aviation training centers and DOSAAF clubs. Uhhhhhh !!
  7. red joni
    red joni 29 September 2016 18: 01
    +1
    it’s good if they don’t steal a lot of money as usual
  8. weksha50
    weksha50 29 September 2016 18: 21
    +5
    Aeroflot is ready to replenish its fleet with a large batch of domestically produced aircraft. First of all, we are talking about readiness to conclude a contract for the purchase of 50 MC-21 aircraft. In addition, the company intends to purchase 20 Sukhoi Superjet aircraft for the available 30 aircraft."...

    Gref, where is the daughter, Sberbank-Leasing ???
    Please help Aeroflot ... Not in Ukraine or France, but specifically in Russia, a Russian company ... And at the same interest rates as in the countries I specified, and not under predatory ...

    PS Earlier, Sberbank-Leasing helped Aeroflot buy all kinds of watermelons and babies ...
  9. Ulan
    Ulan 29 September 2016 18: 24
    +2
    Very well, a state-owned airline should support a domestic manufacturer.
  10. Karelian
    Karelian 29 September 2016 18: 26
    +1
    Quote: Shil
    Yes, it is necessary to raise the aviation industry, otherwise the Brazilians and the Chinese are already stepping on their heels.

    There was no need to omit it. Regarding the article, there was immediately an association with aviation marshal Shaposhnikov, who became at the helm of Aeroflot in 1992. He issued similar statements fellow
  11. OLD FART
    OLD FART 29 September 2016 18: 26
    +6
    Russia is a huge country and many undeveloped territories .. Our civil aviation, we need it like air!
    No wonder the USSR produced "from needles, but orbital stations !!!!" Sanctions, I hope many "democratic throats are shut up" ... Remember their statements ... "Why do we make ourselves when you can buy much cheaper and better quality ..." Well, how is it being bought now ..? angry
    1. Simple
      Simple 29 September 2016 18: 46
      +3
      Quote: STARPER
      No wonder the USSR produced "from needles, but orbital stations !!!!"

      The Supreme does not agree with you.
      Putin: "The USSR did not produce anything, except galoshes!"8.05.2012


      The USSR imported almost EVERYTHING!
      Stew from China, canned vegetables from Bulgaria. Grain from Canada and the USA.
      Shoes from Czechoslovakia, clothes from Poland and Romania. Etc. etc.
      Cigarettes from Bulgaria. beer from the Czech Republic. and thousands more points.

      USSR imports to 1981 at current prices (thousand dollars).
      1 Wheat 3439124
      2 Unrefined sugar 3200023
      3 Corn 2374681
      4 Barley 711564
      5 Refined sugar 694879
      6 Beef 677000
      7 Wine 587121
      8 Sorghum 558801
      9 Wheat flour 555911
      10 Rice ground 546586
      11 Cigarettes 536360
      12 Wool 530240

      USSR 1981 fruit vegetable imports (tons)
      1 Canned vegetables 430697
      2 Apples 415077
      3 Oranges 335845
      4 Fruit (others, cooked) 193023
      5 Juices (other) 131164
      6 Lemons and Limes 98151
      7 Tomatoes 96151
      8 Potato 85000
      9 Bananas 584486
      10 Raisins 79813
      11 Fresh vegetables (other) 57711
      12 Bow 53373
      Total for all items 2293208

      From "meat" in 1982, beef carcasses were purchased for 570 million dollars and, in addition, frozen chickens for 325 million.
      if we take, in kind, purchases of meat, then the USSR purchased in 1982, 350 thousand tons of beef and 260 thousand tons of chickens. In total - 610 thousand tons.


      A sharp absolute increase in imports of machinery and equipment is characteristic: in 1966-70, the national economy received imports of the latest machinery and equipment in the amount of 15 billion rubles, in 1971-75 - in the amount of 29 billion rubles. The largest share in equipment purchases falls on industrial equipment for enterprises in the metalworking, automotive, chemical and petrochemical, pulp and paper and metallurgical industries, as well as for the light and food industries. The import of this equipment made it possible to accelerate the solution of a number of important tasks, in particular, such as raising the Soviet automobile industry to a new level.

      The USSR imported almost EVERYTHING!
      Stew from China, canned vegetables from Bulgaria. Grain from Canada and the USA.
      Shoes from Czechoslovakia, clothes from Poland and Romania. Etc. etc.
      Cigarettes from Bulgaria. beer from the Czech Republic. and thousands more points.

      USSR imports to 1981 at current prices (thousand dollars).
      1 Wheat 3439124
      2 Unrefined sugar 3200023
      3 Corn 2374681
      4 Barley 711564
      5 Refined sugar 694879
      6 Beef 677000
      7 Wine 587121
      8 Sorghum 558801
      9 Wheat flour 555911
      10 Rice ground 546586
      11 Cigarettes 536360
      12 Wool 530240

      USSR 1981 fruit vegetable imports (tons)
      1 Canned vegetables 430697
      2 Apples 415077
      3 Oranges 335845
      4 Fruit (others, cooked) 193023
      5 Juices (other) 131164
      6 Lemons and Limes 98151
      7 Tomatoes 96151
      8 Potato 85000
      9 Bananas 584486
      10 Raisins 79813
      11 Fresh vegetables (other) 57711
      12 Bow 53373
      Total for all items 2293208

      From "meat" in 1982, beef carcasses were purchased for 570 million dollars and, in addition, frozen chickens for 325 million.
      if we take, in kind, purchases of meat, then the USSR purchased in 1982, 350 thousand tons of beef and 260 thousand tons of chickens. In total - 610 thousand tons.


      A sharp absolute increase in imports of machinery and equipment is characteristic: in 1966-70, the national economy received imports of the latest machinery and equipment in the amount of 15 billion rubles, in 1971-75 - in the amount of 29 billion rubles. The largest share in equipment purchases falls on industrial equipment for enterprises in the metalworking, automotive, chemical and petrochemical, pulp and paper and metallurgical industries, as well as for the light and food industries. The import of this equipment made it possible to accelerate the solution of a number of important tasks, in particular, such as raising the Soviet automobile industry to a new level ...


      Interesting book-CIA report of February 1986 "Prospects for the intensive development of the Soviet economy"

      In the mid-1970's, 56% of US industrial investments were directed towards replacing and upgrading equipment. In the Union, in sectors not related to defense, this figure is only 29% in 1976-1980.
      1. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 29 September 2016 19: 00
        +4
        That's why he sunk into oblivion, amen.
      2. OLD FART
        OLD FART 29 September 2016 19: 06
        +8
        It's just hard to argue with you .....! But I remember the real taste of bread, sausage. Meat .. Electrical engineering, watches, Needles at last! .... Now everything is one-time and tasteless ... Even if it is expensive to pay it is not a fact that it is of high quality! Everywhere deceit and poison us
        1. Simple
          Simple 29 September 2016 19: 30
          +3
          Quote: STARPER
          It's just hard to argue with you .....!

          why so?
          Quote: STARPER
          But I remember the real taste of bread, sausage. Meat ..

          and i remember. And I remember how they chased after imported ones (coupons or as if they were handed over: cranberries, lingonberries, mountain ash, bark, something else, you can buy imported)

          Quote: STARPER
          Now everything is disposable and tasteless ..

          they used to have the same tasty and eternal thing (the friend of his friend Miele 70 was decrepit on the 0 of the year- AND WORKS, and the thermos is Chinese in the times of the USSR? I still have it, the year 1981 is for me to sing)
          I will reveal a "terrible" secret: the technological breakthrough of the USSR took place in WW2 (lend-lease machines) and after reparations (equipment) from the 3rd Reich.
          -space
          -appl
          -mbr
          -shipbuilding
          and then CoCom entered
          Quote: STARPER
          Everywhere deceit and poison us

          Yes.
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 29 September 2016 19: 39
            +5
            I’ll probably agree with you .. (my heart is sore ...) hi
            I’d just like to note that what you use now is our grandfathers and great-grandfathers created! It is difficult to plunder Russia completely ... Especially our soul and memory! Go ahead, but I don’t envy people like you ...
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 29 September 2016 20: 38
          +2
          Quote: STARPER
          Now everything is disposable and tasteless ..

          Respect smile STARPER! It is not sad, but the function of smell decreases with aging request I also remember a lot of delicious things and the flowers smelled differently, but there's nothing to be done ...
      3. Nitarius
        Nitarius 30 September 2016 05: 25
        0
        where is such nonsense to get? I do not believe...
  12. Moor
    Moor 29 September 2016 18: 38
    +3
    Some nonsense, but why do not they take Tu 204? I do not think that Aviastar is littered with orders. That good car, long on the assembly line, entirely domestic and Dry half of the foreign components. Again, on the principle of who will unfasten the rollback more.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 September 2016 19: 40
      +3
      Only Pratt & Whitney purchased the engine rights in February. wink In fact, problems with them closed the issue of Tu for Iran - for the United States blocked the deal. When it became clear that the sanctions were being lifted, Pratt & Whitney sold the rights, but Iran was already stingy with Watermelons and Boeings, and now they don’t need the Tu-204СМ for nothing.
      1. Moor
        Moor 29 September 2016 22: 00
        +1
        And ours? After all, we fly on a second-hand imported air junk
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 30 September 2016 05: 47
          +1
          Quote: Moor
          After all, we fly on a second-hand imported air junk

          No one will fly in the trash! Or our kamikaze pilots? I had occasion to fly to Boeing and Watermelons, I have never seen junk, but I had to fly to An-24 once - I thought it would fall apart! Everything rattled and rattled in a battered salon so that thoughts came about the eternal ... winked
          1. Moor
            Moor 30 September 2016 10: 26
            0
            You're talking about Thomas, I'm talking about Yeryoma. Imported cars purchased by our air carriers for the most part already departed on average for 10-15 years. This is JUST, even if everything inside is painted with cheerful paint. Even a car that has been actively used during such a time is already unreliable. In fact, we play the role of utilizers for foreign airlines, which, selling us junk, update their fleet. This is despite the fact that in Russia there are (as yet there are) operating airlines for the production of passenger cars. This is what we are talking about. Imagine for a moment that tomorrow we will be cut off the supply of spare parts for imported aircraft and that - will we whistle fist? By the way, your example about An 24 is unsuccessful, since the release of this aircraft was discontinued already in the 1979 year. It is strange that they still fly somewhere. The same can be said about the rest of the Soviet aircraft fleet, which continues to be exploited for wear and tear, which is essentially a crime.
    2. Rokossovsky
      Rokossovsky 29 September 2016 21: 29
      0
      Quote: Moor
      Some nonsense, but why do not they take Tu 204? I do not think that Aviastar is littered with orders. That good car, long on the assembly line, entirely domestic and Dry half of the foreign components. Again, on the principle of who will unfasten the rollback more.


      Recently flew on the Tu-204 from Simferopol. An hour and a half Hell!
      Perhaps a specifically killed board was caught, I can’t judge! The last time I experienced similar feelings 7 years ago, flying to Kaliningrad on Airbassovsky scrap metal, the company AviaNova! hi
      1. Moor
        Moor 29 September 2016 21: 57
        +3
        The fact of the matter is that the release of Tu is not shaky, not roll, I do not even remember what year the last issues were. It seems that Tu was actively acquired by the Red Wings company, but again what year did they have cars? In my opinion, all Tu 204s, which are now in operation, are pretty old. I'm afraid Aviastar will bend, and orders for Il 76 will not save him. And what an enterprise it was !!! One GDP on LIKE is worth something! Swan song of the Soviet aircraft industry. Aspen stake to the grave of our reformers am
  13. midshipman
    midshipman 29 September 2016 18: 58
    +6
    Vitaly, success to you. Certain figures were destroying the aircraft industry that we created. We were prevented from prohibiting these figures from leasing foreign aircraft. This was one of the reasons for the liquidation of the USSR Minaviaprom and the USSR Minradiprom. How happy Marshal Shaposhnikov was when we were liquidated, and they were able to quickly create airlines on leased old planes. At the same time, the service of those servicing domestic aircraft was destroyed. Foreigners quickly took over this sphere. Thank God he liquidated their companies. Readers of "VO" understand who I'm talking about. I have the honor.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 29 September 2016 19: 36
      +3
      Yuri Grigoryevich, it’s very nice to read a smart business comment. One feels the serious experience of sovereign service. My respect.
  14. Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 September 2016 19: 10
    +3
    Aeroflot intends to replenish its aircraft fleet with 70 domestic aircraft in 2017-2018 - It should be noted that it will not replenish it, but for now it will only order it, and MC 21 will go into series production in 2019, if everything goes well.
  15. keeper03
    keeper03 29 September 2016 19: 17
    +1
    Aeroflot, change planes on domestic planes, otherwise the US State Department promised terrorist attacks, who, if not you, should know that bourgeois airliners on command from a satellite are falling like an ax from the sky !!!
    The country needs, like air, our own aviation industry, and everyone who says otherwise is the enemy of the people !!!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 September 2016 15: 33
      0
      Quote: keeper03
      who, if not you, should know that bourgeois airliners on command from a satellite fall like an ax from the sky !!!

      Did he whisper in your ear Prokopenko? laughing
  16. iouris
    iouris 29 September 2016 19: 50
    0
    To use the new aircraft as efficiently as possible, you need to create a low-cost airline company. Build aircraft for Aeroflot as the low-cost segment becomes saturated.
  17. Ulan
    Ulan 29 September 2016 20: 03
    +1
    Quote: Just
    Quote: STARPER
    It's just hard to argue with you .....!

    why so?
    Quote: STARPER
    But I remember the real taste of bread, sausage. Meat ..

    and i remember. And I remember how they chased after imported ones (coupons or as if they were handed over: cranberries, lingonberries, mountain ash, bark, something else, you can buy imported)

    Quote: STARPER
    Now everything is disposable and tasteless ..

    they used to have the same tasty and eternal thing (the friend of his friend Miele 70 was decrepit on the 0 of the year- AND WORKS, and the thermos is Chinese in the times of the USSR? I still have it, the year 1981 is for me to sing)
    I will reveal a "terrible" secret: the technological breakthrough of the USSR took place in WW2 (lend-lease machines) and after reparations (equipment) from the 3rd Reich.
    -space
    -appl
    -mbr
    -shipbuilding
    and then CoCom entered
    Quote: STARPER
    Everywhere deceit and poison us

    Yes.
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 29 September 2016 20: 06
      +8
      It’s strange. They didn’t produce anything, but where did I work then? Really I dreamed everything? But after all, the products were also exported. Well, of course, not to Germany, but to Iraq, India, I remember exactly.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 30 September 2016 12: 55
        0
        Lada and in England, and in Germany delivered.
  18. Victor1
    Victor1 29 September 2016 20: 41
    +4
    And about IL96 silence ..
    Such a plane, but there are no orders, only the president and the government fly on it ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 September 2016 23: 09
      +1
      Our patriotic government however.
      1. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 30 September 2016 03: 36
        +1
        The president and the government have a hundred planes and not all of them are Tu da Il. And patriotism has nothing to do with it, otherwise their cars would have been domestic.
  19. Engineer
    Engineer 30 September 2016 08: 38
    0
    What's in the Domestic Superjet is the roof of the carpet?
    1. Berber
      Berber 30 September 2016 08: 52
      0
      Superjet - the predecessor of the MS-21. Where it was necessary to start.
  20. Berber
    Berber 30 September 2016 08: 50
    0
    It delights in the sequence of GDP and has established a vertical here.
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  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 September 2016 11: 06
    0
    The number one task is to force airbuses and Boeings out of our market. MS-21 (analogue of A-319/320/321) is 75-80% of the transportation market. Suppose, first, with American engines .. This will then create the market for used aircraft. Ideally, of course, you need your own 100% airplane, so that later, like the Airbus, the United States would not ask permission to export our own aircraft, or how we could not sell the Tu-204SM with PS-90A engines to Iran (with some American systems).