APU can get new armor piercing cartridges

APU can get new cartridges, bullets which are able to penetrate the protection of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, reports MIC with reference to UNIAN.

Ammunition was created at the Ukrainian-British enterprise Stiletto Systems.

"During the tests, shooting was carried out with new ammunition with unique bullets from Stiletto Systems, which could confidently hit the armor players imitating wearable armor sets and light armored vehicles of the BTR-80 and BMP-1 / 2 / 3 types," said a representative of the company Dmitry Malyasov at the presentation products.

According to him, last year, an experimental batch of such cartridges was handed over to army units for testing. Feedback received positive.

The company's technical director, Alexander Kalachev, explained to reporters that “the staff and developments are completely Ukrainian, but since it was easier to register in the UK armory company and license development, then officially Stiletto Systems is considered Ukrainian-British. ”

According to the company, the following ammunition was tested:

“Stiletto 9mm LUGER is a cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet that has an initial speed of 600 m / s (the standard speed for a bullet of this caliber is of the order of 400 m / s). The bullet was able to penetrate the 6 class bulletproof vest;

Stiletto 7.62 / 51 - armor-piercing "sniper" cartridge with an initial bullet speed 810 – 830 m / s. Able to pierce all types of body armor and armor plates with a thickness of up to 20,5 mm from a distance of more than 100 m;

Stiletto .338LM - armor-piercing "sniper" cartridge with an initial speed of 900 m / s. Punches all types of body armor at a distance of 1800 m and armor plates with a thickness of 20,5 mm from a distance of 700 m;

Stiletto AP - cartridge caliber 5,56 × 45 mm. The ammunition is equipped with a tungsten carbide core bullet. Punches armor plates with a thickness of more than 10 mm from a distance of 450 m. "

Kalachev also said that the production of ammunition is planned to establish in Ukraine.

Comments

[Stas Snezhin]

For the production of cartridges, capacities and facilities are still needed ..

[Finches]

So what! All the same, the next "Wedding in Malinovka" will turn out for the garny lads:

"Do you know how many machine guns we have?
We have seven of them. Three pieces - nothing, and the other three pieces ...
One jams, the other, like a mad bounces.
And the third, bastard, in his bullets.
And the seventh, I, secretly from Pan Ataman, exchanged them for these pants ... "

[vkl.47]

Well, this is not an innovation. They have been making armor-piercing bullets from carbide_wolfram for a long time. For snipers, this is important. But in general, it is expensive ammunition in artillery. That would not be shot from all

[Evil543]

Where will they find so much tungsten carbide? And where are the pennies from?

[Conductor]

"Stiletto 9mm Luger - a cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet having an initial speed of 600 m / s (the standard speed for a bullet of this caliber is about 400 m / s). The bullet was able to break through the 6th grade bulletproof vest;

Oh well, this is nonsense. Even if so, how to solve the problem of the resource of weapon parts that decreases many times?

[wasjasibirjac]

“Stiletto 9mm LUGER is a cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet that has an initial speed of 600 m / s (the standard speed for a bullet of this caliber is of the order of 400 m / s). The bullet was able to penetrate the 6 class bulletproof vest;

and get a weak shutter on the forehead? considering that western pistols are 9x19 mm. can’t use the Russian armor-piercing cartridge with an initial speed of about 450 m / s, then at an initial speed of 600 m / s the probability of destruction of a weapon is about 80 percent. So you need a new pistol or submachine gun. how soon will ukraine invent it?

Stiletto 7.62 / 51 - armor-piercing "sniper" cartridge with an initial bullet speed 810 – 830 m / s. Able to pierce all types of body armor and armor plates with a thickness of up to 20,5 mm from a distance of more than 100 m;

Stiletto .338LM - armor-piercing "sniper" cartridge with an initial speed of 900 m / s. Punches all types of body armor at a distance of 1800 m and armor plates with a thickness of 20,5 mm from a distance of 700 m;

are they going to hunt for armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles?

[iConst]

Quote: wasjasibirjac

and get a weak shutter on the forehead? considering that western pistols are 9x19 mm. can’t use the Russian armor-piercing cartridge with an initial speed of about 450 m / s, then at an initial speed of 600 m / s the probability of destruction of a weapon is about 80 percent. So you need a new pistol or submachine gun. how soon will ukraine invent it?

ABOUT! Most valuable comment. That's why they are developing complexes - cartridge + weapons.

[ddd1975]

the question is what kind of weapon ... Maybe I'm not in the subject, but what do they have - a lot of NATO small arms? What are these cartridges for? And if the bullet is heavy and the charge is more powerful, then is the resource of the barrel and other parts less? It seems that the news is taken out of context ... or maybe they reinforced luger cartridge to shoot himself through a helmet?

[seos]

The armor plate is a standard NATO target of medium hard armor - Russian targets of high hard armor, so these values ​​still need to be shared for transferring to our armor penetration system.

[Dimontius]

Well, yes, damn it, they invest money in the defense industry. What no, but grandmother. And now we will discuss each of their "innovations" as their own? It’s just that I’m tired of imagining at every such news from dill that at one moment all this will turn against us. Place where you can neighing, but everything, as if you don't need to cover your country. IMHO.

[Retvizan]

What no, but grandmother. And now we will discuss each of their "innovations" as their own?

so in fact "all-razvaleno-all-propitiated" and nothing will happen and there is no one?

It’s just that I’m fed up with every similar news from Ukraine to imagine that in one moment it will turn against us

What are you? Partner! The best choice will not be able to act not in partnership (knives in the back, etc.)

[stas]

It is necessary to wet Piglet with a guarantee.

[Sagitta]

To build a cartridge plant you don’t need as much money as you think))) If there is a market, then the investor will be happy to come and build it himself. And production lines can be launched literally in half a year.

[APASUS]

Quote: Sagitta

To build a cartridge plant you don’t need as much money as you think))) If there is a market, then the investor will be happy to come and build it himself. And production lines can be launched literally in half a year.

Key phrase from the material:

Alexander Kalachev, technical director of the company, explained to journalists that “the personnel and developments are completely Ukrainian, but since it was easier to register a weapon company and license development in the UK, it is officially considered to be Ukrainian-British Stiletto Systems”.

It's easier to withdraw money, that's for sure! And for a strategic enterprise, which are ammunition factories, registration is very important for smooth operation

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: Stas Snezhin

For the production of cartridges, capacities and facilities are still needed ..

They have been trying to launch a cartridge production plant since 2014. Every half of the year they make statements: - "We will launch it at the end of the year."
And the bullets there are not all simple. One of the Ukrainian military commanders wrote about these reviews a month ago.

[Omskgasmyas]

Here's the key word - CAN get. Or they may not get it.
In \ on UkRuin in the present tense there is nothing, everything is only planned. To cut the dough.
And the only cartridge factory in Ukraine was in Lugansk.
Now, in my opinion, his equipment has been evacuated to Russia.
And the Armed Forces of Ukraine extrudes old Soviet stocks and shipments are from Eastern Europe.
Even if this plant works, it is necessary first to rearm the APU with NATO weapons. Then, for their supply, KAMAZ cartridges will be required daily. And if intense fighting begins, then a dozen trucks a day.

[cniza]

APU can get new cartridges, the bullets of which are capable of penetrating the protection of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, the military-industrial complex reports with reference to UNIAN.

Kalachev also said that the production of ammunition is planned to establish in Ukraine.

Alarmingly, one hope is that, as always, everything will remain in dreams and puffed cheeks.

[Gray brother]

Alarmingly, one hope is that, as always, everything will remain in dreams and puffed cheeks.

All calibers are NATO, for starters they will have to rearm their rabble.
In addition, it is not entirely clear what kind of "imitating armor plates" (the hulls were all drunk or what?) And the batch of which ammunition was "supplied to the troops", and what exactly did these troops do with them.

[novel66]

sold, well yet?

[Gray brother]

sold, well yet?

"Positive feedback received"

[Blue fox]

Kalachev also said that the production of ammunition is planned to establish in Ukraine.
Yeah, that is, in fact, the British are testing their patrons on the Slavs with the hands of the Nazis. In that case, why not get Real IRA from ... Somali pirates, for example, a couple of "Vampires" and fire them at the MI6 building, as it already was, and then send a response to the Somalis by mail.

[novel66]

but purely theoretically, can Somali pirates on a rubber boat sneak up on an aircraft carrier at a distance of a grenade launcher? and then what will happen?

[IrbisRus]

And then the Western press will claim that Putin and Shoigu were personally on the rubber boat.

[novel66]

no with an aircraft carrier, Putin and Shoigu in the bustle will go under water

[Mountain shooter]

Aha, but the cartridge plant in Varashilovgrad remained (sorry, in Lugansk)! Will they be equipped manually? About armor - they are something cool! Bullets from depleted Uranus? Oh, this is Mriya. Then it's clear...

[sgr291158]

Nakosyachat as in everything. And then it starts, then the cartridge in the chamber got stuck, then the two-meter bullet flew and fell. And again, Moscow will be to blame for everything.

[Reserve buildbat]

And where will they produce these cartridges? And are ukrovoyaki already rearmament under the NATO patron?

[kapitan92]

They will be "released" from NATO warehouses. As for the Ukrainian-British company, everyone blah-blah, they are making a "roof" for the appearance of such ammunition in Ukraine. Ukraine already has enough NATO small arms

[Monarchist]

It is unlikely that VSUshniki fired at targets.
Stiletto7,62 / 51 ... Able to pierce all types of body armor and armor plates up to 20,5mm thick "in that case, why nafig all the grenade launchers if you can click an BMP from a rifle?
Personally, this information bothers me: where is the guarantee that these terrorists will not be able to see these bullets in the Russian Federation

[Genry]

Quote: Monarchist

Stiletto7,62 / 51 ... Able to pierce all types of body armor and armor plates up to 20,5mm thick "in that case, why nafig all the grenade launchers if you can click an BMP from a rifle?

This is a standard NATO cartridge mainly used in machine guns. Penetration of 20 mm is indicated from a distance of 100 meters, and this is very small. And the 6th grade is by what standard. In Russia, the 6th grade protects against 12,7mm bullets at 50 meters and is used in light armored vehicles and, presumably, in exoskeletons.

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Genry

In Russia, the 6th class protects against 12,7mm bullets at 50 meters and is used in light armored vehicles and

you do not confuse the standards for body armor and equipment, they have different requirements, although the numbers are the same, but there is no letter

[rotmistr60]

an experimental batch of such cartridges was transferred for testing army units

It is possible that they could be tested not only at the training ground, but also in the zone
ATO. But with the production in Ukraine - they hastened it. Okay, 7.62 +51, and the rest?

[My address]

Bullet cartridge .338 with an initial speed of 900 m / s punches 20 mm armor? Yes, easily, but only if the bullet weighs at least 30 grams. And with such a recoil momentum after the three shots from the ukrosniper, you need to change the shoulder. Yes, and the cartridge will cost hoo. And the usual rifle will not go.
Do not tell my slippers.

[bouncyhunter]

I agree . And another moment:

“The Stiletto 9mm LUGER is an cartridge with an armor-piercing bullet having an initial speed of 600 m / s (the standard speed for a bullet of this caliber is about 400 m / s).

9x19 has a "carbine cartridge" option in which the gas pressure is 20% higher than the standard. To distinguish it, the sleeve is chemically blackened, since shooting with such a cartridge from a conventional weapon is dangerous. The Stilleto (judging by the speed of the bullet), this indicator is higher than that of the carbine.

[Vasiliev Yu]

I think the same way. With such a return of new cartridges, this is clearly not intended for machine guns, but for special sniper rifles. After all, it’s not in vain that Banderloz snipers (or mercenaries?) Work on the entire front.
And all these screams, about production, just to show that they also do something for the Banderlogists - they have `` peramoha ''.

[Alexey-74]

If everything was so simple, the leading arms powers would have long ago established the production of such cartridges that flash both the BMP and the armored personnel carrier .... the infantry’s power increases several times that can withstand armored vehicles ... however, something is not observed in the shooting world.

[dauria]

... however, a revolution in the shooting world is not observed.

Well, let's say, they lied about armored vehicles. For the rest, since the bulletproof vest became the standard in the infantry, it was worth expecting new cartridges to penetrate it. This will only result in the appearance of new armor. Here is a link to the non-secret double layer armor patent. 5mm sheet from 20 meters with this very "newest" fortified cartridge no longer breaks through.
http://ru-patent.info/20/90-94/2090828.html

[bouncyhunter]

Or maybe this is another "wunderwaflya" of Svidomo?

[PKK]

All this will result in losses among the militia.

[katalonec2014]

Something does not please the news, one hope is that they still have few NATO weapons.

[uav80]

And not only the NATO ...



It is worth noting that earlier in Ukraine tests of new bullets of the development of the Ukrainian-British company Stiletto Systems Ltd. were carried out, which imitated the conditions of armor protection of modern armored vehicles, including the latest Russian Tiger armored vehicles.

During the tests, shots were fired at 20,5 mm thick armor plates made of Polish and Belgian armor with a hardness of more than 500 Brinell units. The shooting was carried out by ammunition 7,62 x 54, 7,62 x 51, 7,62 x 39 and 5,45 x 39, which all hit the target. At the same time, a reserve of armor penetration was noted, which means a confident defeat of modern Russian armored vehicles in the frontal projection and the destruction of the crew.

© Military informant

[uav80]

9 * 19 punches 6-ku yes these are fairy tales, how much weight of a bullet should be at the same time, considering that our 7N31 takes a maximum of 3-ku with a bullet weight of 4g and a speed of about 600 ... her, and from what they banged, what is his impulse "+ P +" "NATO" or "series B 3" if they write in the title that "LUGER" then the standard charge is clearly not enough for an armor-piercing bullet ... ???

[Evil543]

Instead of gunpowder, they equip cartridges with fuel from rockets.

[rus-5819]

APU can get new cartridges, the bullets of which are able to penetrate the protection of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, reports the military-industrial complex
APU can receive, but does not mean that they will receive reports Вorovskaya ПOroshenko Кcompany

[geek2101]

Even if a miracle happens and the Ukrainians manage to build a new cartridge factory, which is extremely unlikely,
then newly manufactured newfangled cartridges in the Armed Forces, most likely, will not see in the foreseeable future, they will not see.

[geek2101]

"I do it twice, twice. I do not repeat, I do not repeat - the wife is happy, the wife is happy ..."

[mimus]

Why APU (God forgive me) NATO calibers? Or have "Ukrainian specialists" already developed rifles for them?

[Vasiliev Yu]

You forget about mercenaries and military experts with your weapons.

[KVIRTU]

"... the notorious" millions in warehouses "are the AK of the third category (in a simple way - scrap metal), and in the greater mass it is AK in caliber 7,62 / 39. With AK under 5,45 / 39, the situation is absolutely bad. With firing systems in caliber 7,62 / 54 (PKM, SVD) - a complete “disaster.” A year or two and that's it.
We do not produce weapons ourselves (and what we do for some reason is more expensive and worse than world analogues), nor ammunition "
This is a Ukrainian analyst on the choice of calibers.
They will be like the same Balts used. buy a NATO rifleman on credit.
And the production line that they want to supply is universal, mln. 20 cu worth it.
If they give money and there is someone who wants to sell, there are no special problems.

[vomag]

According to the company, the following ammunition was tested:I can’t understand the current of the 1st, it’s all NATO ammunition! what type of mustache -ce europa! We did the cartridges for you and why shoot yourself you will find?

[katalonec2014]

The world is big, they will go with outstretched hand, probably Pedro is sleeping with outstretched hand, everyone is already shy away from him.

[uav80]

Here is another digger, earlier references to these tests ...
but not everything is so unambiguous, all certificates and so on were issued by the "military" and other "experts" who, in turn, are very closely connected with "Stiletto Systems LTD", and they want to build a plant in Ukraine for budgetary money for this project, so this is a good publicity stunt for another drink ...

[uav80]

Something the first picture didn’t load, so I’ll stick it

[batyanya]

How the Kiev junta destroyed the remnants of the defense industry
http://quick-news.pro/kak-kievskaya-hunta-unichto
zhila-ostatki-oboronnoj-promyshlennosti /

[BOB044]

So cash collectors will start using these cartridges to rob. Dill one word.

[Retvizan]

the news may be good for Ukrainians, but a lot of time will pass until they come to the army, until they master it. And in a war, artillery usually rarely reaches the shooter (although with "truces" the role increases)
In general, a long process.
Although a disguise for the mass supply of ammunition is commonplace.

[BAI]

In any case, these cartridges are better than those that are used now. And this is worse for opponents of the APU.

[AID.S]

Demand creates supply ... and who is the owner of the "candle" factory?

[Zaval]

It is interesting how these NATO ammunition will be combined with weapons, Soviet and post-Soviet, in service with ukrovoyak. Even the stupidly extended AK and then under 5,45. We must move on to NATO standards. Nobody will allow Ukraine to produce weapons and ammunition of the NATO standard. Ukraine has 5 states in this Charter, and Ukraine will never be among them. All that remains is to buy weapons and ammunition from them. The US Congress has already pushed through a resolution on sending lethal weapons to Ukrana, the president has not signed, Obama will not sign, Clinton can, if elected. And to buy it from Ukraine is for what? Or do they think, or rather believe that they all owe? I think that you should not be afraid of new ammunition, no one will give them ukra, and it’s more profitable to supply what is to be disposed of as supplies.

[Zaurbek]

Armor-piercing cartridges were still used by the Chinese in our armored vehicles at Domansky. Soviet and Russian BB and BBZ bullets perfectly penetrate the armored personnel carriers of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, the question is that these are expensive cartridges and cannot be massive even on RMBs. They are usually inserted into the tape every 5m or 7m. Another minus is that the bullet is not purely Ukrainian, but joint. And this currency needs to be spent ....

[CTABEP]

All penetration of armored personnel carriers by armored personnel carriers is close-range shooting, and for infantry fighting vehicles, as a rule, on board.

[CTABEP]

Something on breaking 7,62x51 as 12,7x108 B-32 is obtained. Well, and even if everything is taken for granted (although 9x19 is breaking through the 6th grade of protection - well, I don’t believe in any) - about the possibility of using these cartridges in standard weapons and the angle of inclination of armor plates when firing a word.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I am not a specialist gunsmith, but from what I managed to dig in earlier publications, there was one interview. From the participant creating this type of ammunition. and so he noted that they and his comrades did not take the stupid path of increasing the mass of the core, but applied new forms of it. In the process of dynamics, something doesn’t work there as in conventional cartridges. By the way, these ammunition was developed specifically for snipers. Pistol cartridges - apparently an advertising move. Like, look, what can be achieved with new technologies even if armed with a simple PM.

[Maugli]

1.A may not get it ...
2.A can get, sell, and drink money ...
3.A can get and pro.rat, as a result of the attack of militias ...
They can all !!!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here is a dig on the Ukrainian site:
"My posy" Chaos. " I took part in the anti-terrorist operation 2014-15 p. Lugansk region. LITO 2015 Rock - Donetsk region. District 29 checkpoint. Vikoristovuvav Danii ammunition in armored personnel carriers. The distance of the 400 Bula metro station Strelba was guided into the armored shield of the water-mechanic, and the operator navigator was also sitting behind him. Bulldoded by 4 built with "stilety" cartridges. The car, after which I had driven all the way from the SVD, left the battlefield, burst into flames, threw the firing and the firing squad. Behind the ballistic table are the most important patrons of the radio cartridges, so remember the point of sighting the necessary German ones. For all the parameters you need to go for regular zbro, yaku vikoristovu Ukrainian Army. "

"My posh" Bilorus ". The commander of the operational-tactful group. Our snipers practiced this ammunition at the village of Lugansk. Pislya robots of our snipers in technology, the enemy in the whole region is not victorious. Sniping the enemy in our position entered the channel very quickly. Fear of the bull. Having understood from their side, what they were doing, they did not reach the bullet. Moving like that, why can we shoot a bullet of armored personnel carrier, drive me a mechanic and so far. We vikoristovuvali gvintіvka SVD and built single-handedly with a Kalashnikov rifle, 7,62. The necessary ammunition and snipers, tactical and tactical groups, and even combat various situations are especially useful when fighting in the city. In primіshchennyah, de hovayutsya sniper and enemy lines, nevertheless ammunition. Everything is better, what we have here - in the future with new ammunition - is ineffective. In one day, there was a machine gunner, who had ammunition from the SVD, breaking through a concrete slab and sending it to his head. "With the most ammunition in a short flip the buv bi ricochet ..."
since I speak conversational Ukrainian, I can partially translate it - it takes too long and I'm afraid it will not come out literary ...
The first interview is the callsign "Chaos". Tells about how he fired from the SVD at the armored personnel carrier into the frontal plane. After four shots, the car left the formation and abandoned the infantry. When shooting, the aiming point did not change. The cartridges correspond to the Soviet ones.
The second interview is the call sign "Belorus". His unit fired at militants in the village of Luganskaya from SVD and Kalashnikov. There were deadly armored personnel carriers and an anti-sniper firefight. After the use of the stiletto, light armored vehicles ceased to appear on the front sector, and the sniper fire "from that side" also weakened.
It can be mistaken for a "duck", but given the propensity of the Ukrainian media to overstatement, they could have come up with something worse ...

[razved]

They can receive, but they may not receive. They are already sooo much that could receive, judging by the reports. And where is all this?

[Frimann]

For information: In Ukrainian warehouses, stocks of Soviet ammunition for small-caliber weapons and sniper rifles have long run out. Now they are raking out what remains in Eastern Europe. The newly created and all special-purpose units have already been completed or are about to be equipped with firearms under the NATO cartridge. The new Ukrainian machine gun "Malyuk" is produced only under the NATO cartridge. It makes no sense to establish a NEW production of cartridges for the Soviet standard --- only NATO. Like this.........

[Frimann]

Ballad of Stiletto
http://twower.livejournal.com/2011883.html