The Japanese got the first F-35A

On Friday, Lockheed Martin’s Texas-based company held a ceremony to hand over the first F-35A Lightning II fighter (serial number AX-1, Japanese side number 69-8701) to the Defense Ministry of Japan, the blog bmpd with reference to the press service of the corporation.

"The ceremony was attended by State Secretary of Defense (First Deputy Minister of Defense) of Japan Kenji Wakamiya, Chief of the Air Staff (Commander) of the Japan Self-Defense Air Force General Yosiyuki Sigiyama, Deputy Secretary of Defense for Procurement, Technology and Logistics of Frank Kendall and the management of Lockheed Corporation Martin, ”the message reads.

The specified aircraft was rolled out on August 14, and made its first flight on August 24.

Earlier, the Japanese government decided to purchase 42 F-35A fighters. The cost of the agreement amounted to about $ 10 billion. The first 4 vehicles will be assembled in the United States, the rest - in Japan at a specially created for this enterprise “Final Assembly & Check-Out Facility” (part of the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries corporation).

Training of the flight personnel will begin in November of this year.

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[Dezinto]

Have Hiroshima and Nagasaki bowed low?

[OLD FART]

USA scatters. On vassals ... Try not to buy!
And here are our ...! 35th

[AdekvatNICK]

such names are stupid just tin ...west in shock ..... west in horror ..... west nervously smokes..... for children or what?

[Bayonet]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

such names are stupid just tin ...west in shock ..... west in horror ..... west nervously smokes..... for children or what?

For Starper (Meehan) and company!

[Comrade Schucher]

Those letaki who will fold in Japan should be made in accordance with the traditions of the "Divine Wind".
After takeoff, the chassis is not retracted - but discarded.

[electrooleg]

Why a chassis? Better wings immediately. Sepuk Pelocki

[shibi]

Why wings?
Better hoofs immediately))

[OLD FART]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: AdekvatNICK

such names are stupid just tin ...west in shock ..... west in horror ..... west nervously smokes..... for children or what?

For Starper (Meehan) and company!

The reaction is normal ...! I'm glad you "liked" ...

[Born in USSR]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

names are stupid just tin

Well, not dumber than "West in .op", in the sense of the Shop. And then there are full of all sorts of perverts, they understand everything not as it is written, but to the extent of their perversion. We have to paint all the abbreviations.

[warriordima]

Rather, it is, they were "made an offer from which it is impossible to refuse."))

[Alex_Rarog]

may they not remember who bombed them! and after 20 years they will say that they were Russian!

[Res_Ullus]

Already think so.
http://www.proza.ru/2014/08/06/684

[Bayonet]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

may they not remember who bombed them! and after 20 years they will say that they were Russian!

And we early forgot who paid tribute to 300 years! So another 20 years later they will say that it was the Americans!

[Berber]

As for tribute, you are in vain. Here on the site not only Russians. I don’t even want to argue, but the issue was politicized in the 19th century, and parrots still repeat the yoke.

[Bayonet]

Quote: BerBer

and parrots still repeat the yoke.

... and about the bombing too !

[Simpsonian]

But were they really there? it's just a globe under an American bomb, so unsuccessfully two times in a row in Obama’s office turned around ...
Now the Americans are trying to otkazyvatsya on Wikipedia that there were a lot of soldiers in hospitals in Hiroshima, then they probably don’t know that they can be bombed by conventions (like civilians) ..

[Albert1988]

Quote: Bayonet

And we early forgot who paid tribute to 300 years!

Firstly, it’s not a tribute, but the way out, as they say in Odessa, is two big differences

[Bayonet]

Quote: Albert1988

Firstly, it’s not a tribute, but the way out, as they say in Odessa, is two big differences

I understand that you did not pay?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Bayonet

I understand that you did not pay?

Oh well, you still flatter me less - I'm certainly not quite young, but not to the same extent)))))

[viktorR]

That the Mongols threw us atomic bombs Oo?

[Operator]

So where are the people we paid?

It is useful to remember this to all applicants for collecting tribute.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Bayonet

So another 20 years later they will say that it was the Americans!

Maybe. And I'm sure that after 70 years, the Japanese will claim that this ... F-35 they were forced to buy it by the Russians

[Simpsonian]

Well, in general ... the threat ... and the islands do not want to give. they will say so!

[andrewkor]

The 300-year yoke and the payment of tribute by the Russian principalities an anecdote similar to the sale of Alaska by Catherine II! Regular levies began after the census of 2; in 1259, Ivan III refused to pay tribute. after "standing on the Ugra" it was finally overthrown.Total 1476 years of the military-political union of Russia and the Horde!

[Born in USSR]

Quote: Bayonet

And we early forgot who paid tribute to 300 years!

It is true that you still have not avenged the Tatar blood in your original Russian blood.

[dima mzk]

they bowed long ago

[terehvlad]

Cool, we threw the Americans, draining them the documentation for the "secret" Yak-141 :-) Now the Americans threw the Japanese, vtyuhav this shit, at the price of gold per kilogram! shiny !!! For kamikaze - just right

https://ria.ru/world/20140709/1015288387.html

[atalef]

Quote: terehvlad

Cool, we threw the Americans, draining them the documentation for the "secret" Yak-141 :-) Now the Americans threw the Japanese, vtyuhav them them shit, at the price of gold for every kilogram! shiny !!

Didn’t they leave anything for themselves?
Well, what would be less money to spend on PAK FA?

[Simpsonian]

Since when did the Americans stop watching what they buy?
Are you on this site "registered" only to write that the yak-141 is ...?

Quote: terehvlad

shit

and what good is it that in the USA yours from the USSR took this plane, which had no analogues in the west? By the way, why without a license and a patent?

[Koshak]

I smell samurai with this semi-finished product.

[Koshak]

https://topwar.ru/101154-na-f-35-proizoshlo-vozgo
ranie-vo-vremya-trenirovochnogo-poleta.html

[Sergey333]

Well, you have to lick America in the ass

[NEXUS]

Sergey333

Well, you have to lick America in the ass

Israel actually does not have its own aircraft industry. And this country is a member of NATO. And who should they get their fighters from if not the United States? The point here is not to "lick the ass", but the fact that mattresses have been supplying weapons to Israel for a very long time and accessories for it ... for example, a Merkava tank, with a mattress gun and an engine.

[Arikkhab]

1. Israel is not a member of NATO
2. purchases of weapons from the United States are due to "nowhere else" - in Russia it will not work out for political reasons, in Europe - Israel (as well as Russia) has a bad experience with the same French, who once cut off the supply of Mirages, boats, etc. .d. with the beginning of the next war with the Arabs (I no longer want to step on the same French rake ....), the rest of Europe, like Sweden, again links the supply of ss with relations with the Arabs, Germany, although it supplies submarines, etc. , but does not produce the entire assortment (for example, combat aircraft) and there is also a pro-Arab lobby ... There remains a "natural ally" of the United States
3. The Merkava Mk.4 is equipped with the GD883 diesel engine of the American company General Dynamics (licensed production of the German MTU883 diesel engine) in a single unit with a 5-speed automatic transmission Renk RK 325 of the German company Renk. So here the Germans are more fussed
4. A new MG253 gun was installed on the tank (a variant of the German Rh-120 gun) - again the Germans

[NEXUS]

Arikkhab

1. Israel is not a member of NATO

Yes, that's right ... but it doesn't change the essence. Israel is one of the main allies of the United States, even at least under an hour and "kicks up", observing their interests.

arms purchases from the USA are due to "nowhere else"

Here I am about that.

3. The Merkava Mk.4 is equipped with the GD883 diesel engine of the American company General Dynamics (licensed production of the German MTU883 diesel engine) in a single unit with a 5-speed automatic transmission Renk RK 325 of the German company Renk. So here the Germans are more fussed
4. A new MG253 gun was installed on the tank (a variant of the German Rh-120 gun) - again the Germans

Actually, I was talking about the "Merkava" Mk.1 ... but your comment on the Merkava Mk.4 does not contradict my thesis at all. The Americans also put a German cannon on their Abrams.

[Vz.58]

Since what year has Israel joined NATO? Why are you smashing nonsense and fooling people? Advocates ... yours so

[atalef]

Quote: NEXUS

Israel in fact does not have its own aircraft industry.

Israel aerospace industries, IAI the area of ​​"Greater Tel Aviv." It is a well-known company in the Israeli military-industrial complex. The company was founded in 1953 year.

Production of aircraft and avionics, production of instruments and equipment for space satellites, communications and reconnaissance. One of the world's leading developers and manufacturers of UAVs, some of them have no analogues in the world practice of aircraft manufacturing.

Actively engaged in the modernization of aircraft worldwide - IAI's Bedek Aviation (Hebrew. מטוסים - Bedek Matosim) successfully competes with Boeing in the conversion of passenger aircraft into cargo aircraft. The Bedek division has a type approval certificate for Boeing-737-300 / -400, 767-200 / -300, 747-200 / -400 aircraft.

IAI is one of Israel's leading technology companies. About 16 thousand of its employees create products with annual sales of about 3,3 billion dollars. The company has gained worldwide recognition as a leader in the development of aviation and aerospace technologies in the military and civilian markets.

Quote: NEXUS

And this country is a member of NATO

Who is in NATO? Israel

Quote: NEXUS

An example is the Merkava tank, with a mattress gun and an engine.

120-mm smooth-bore tank gun MG-251 developed by TAAS-Israel Industries to meet the requirements of the Israeli defense forces and was first shown in 1989 g. as the main weapons of the tank "Merkava"
This 120 mm smoothbore gun is like The 120-mm smoothbore gun of the German company Rheinmetall, installed in the Leopard-2 and M-1A1 / M-1A2 tanks, but has different recoil devices and more compact overall dimensions.

engine

The mass of the tank "Merkava" Mk.4 is 65 tons. A 1500-horsepower GD883 diesel engine from the American company General Dynamics was installed on it. This is the MTU883 engine, developed by the German company MTU Friedrichshafen and manufactured in the USA under license.

[Alex777]

Quote: Koshak

I smell samurai with this semi-finished product.

Now the Japanese will forget about our islands.
They will deal with the matter - it is necessary to learn to fly a plane.
And then the aircraft carriers ("destroyers") were built, but there are no planes.

[Kasym]

Others will be busy now. Presumably, the Japanese islands will be so overlaid that all the advertising husk will fly off the F-35 quickly. We understand little that Russian and Chinese specialists will say, but I am sure that with the F-22 (and it was lit up in Syria) "all parameters" have already been removed.
Look at the article dated 15.09.2016/35/18 on the website Military Materials "F-35: a total mistake ...". There, the technical commission of the US Defense Ministry assures that up to 4g. incl. all F-300s will not match the fighter ... 500th generation. There they also talk about the reasons. The Americans are already simply obliged to finish this plane, if only because of joint funding (USA + co-workers, including Japan), but as they write it is necessary more ... XNUMX-XNUMX billion. We have arrived.
So, what the Japanese, Israelis, British, etc. will receive for the Russian Defense Ministry and the PRC will become clear soon. And if true, what they write in the materials of the article on the Military website. Mat., Good for the US allies is not enough.

[barik92090]

F can finally bring to mind if the budget is enough.

[voyaka uh]

Not only samurai. The training of pilots on the F-35 is very different from the training of the 4th generation. The pilot must be in a "virtual reality" helmet for several hours,
like a cartoon hero. He must not rely on his own eyes,
and on the animations that the computer gives him. He appears
"superpowers" of 360-degree vision for many kilometers around, but learning to use it effectively is not easy.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

The training of pilots on the F-35 is very different from the training of the 4th generation. The pilot must be in a "virtual reality" helmet for several hours,
like a cartoon hero. He must not rely on his own eyes,

Not at all. Warrior. In order to be alive, a pilot must withstand eight gravitational pulls of the earth and not lose consciousness

[voyaka uh]

This is mostly before, in "dog dumps".
Now survives the one who earlier discovers the enemy and shoots earlier.
To withstand overload pilots are taught today,
but it is less a survival factor than in the last century.

[dauria]

I smell samurai with this semi-finished product.

Why? The plane turned out to be quite good, and most importantly, it has no competitor, and in ten years the Americans will fill up all possible markets for them. The mass character of the series, like the F-16, is simply guaranteed. And if we take into account that, apart from the Chinese and with a huge stretch of Russia, no one can pull the development of a similar one financially (and now you need to do not just the same, but much better what to sell), then the F-35 has fantastically successful prospects, everything’s worth it .

[Kasym]

Dauria, there are several but:
What if the means of electronic warfare and electronic warfare do not allow enemy missiles (and they are not the newest and stuffed with electronics) to hit their targets? Well, how that Curtain and Birdhouses in Syria are withdrawing ATGM. Or how the "Mercury" complex destroys the Grad missiles on approach, forcing the detonator to detonate. Or the fact that in Syria, Russian turntables do not fall en masse. We'll have to engage in close maneuvering combat, where he can yield to the MiG-21.

The internal bomb bays are too small. Because of his concept of long-range strike, it makes no sense to load missiles in melee. And the other four missiles will climb there. Decide a lot or a little for yourself. But for such an expensive carrier, carrying 4 AB and 2 missiles is not enough for an attack aircraft - the MiG-2 as an example. Well, 21 MiG-3s will come out against 21 "golden" F-1 and there are not enough missiles to be guaranteed to remove three pieces. And the rest will catch up and ...

Stealth works when it comes to 1v1 (or more) combat from a decent distance. But where did they see this against a serious adversary (the Serbs even then overwhelmed the "invisibility")? The Russian Federation, as you know, knew about every sortie during the bombing of Yugoslavia. And as it turned out, from space to observers near the airfields. Add radar control, up to over-the-horizon (it is known that that space control station in Tajikestan detects balls from small bearings, and here an airplane, and for the first strike you need a "whole cloud" - mass takeoff, respectively. This is an example of possibilities).

We will also see the operation and maintenance of these stealth. A lot of rumors on this subject.

It so happened that the RF-USSR was late in terms of aviation. And on the one hand, this plays into the hands. All the "charms" of the F-22 and F-35 will be known before the introduction of the "answer" into the series.

[Green trumpet]

In the light of today's problems with the F-35 - they will finish the file ...

[cniza]

Is there a lot of money? , USA will not allow the purchase of others.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, samurai love expensive weapons .. Or make love ..

[Tusv]

Quote: cniza

Is there a lot of money? , USA will not allow the purchase of others.

Japan’s mother has a lot of money. By the way, f-35 is not only the property of Americans. This is a joint project of several countries. So the Japanese got their share

[barik92090]

Receive, receive! A share or a muzzle in the budget, it doesn’t matter, but they will get it!

[MarioG]

Quote: cniza

Is there a lot of money? , USA will not allow the purchase of others.

Do you have another suggestion? Probably in every stall you can buy a serial plane of 5 generation.

[viktorR]

F-35 fifth generation only on paper, in fact it is 4 ++

[dauria]

F-35 fifth generation only on paper, in fact it is 4 ++

++ - it’s ours that they began to call Su and MiG, in order to somehow veil the main problem - a large EPR.
Even if the F-35 does not reach the thrust-to-weight ratio, the main thing is that it is an aircraft of new requirements, and we cannot fix this with any tricks with pluses and numbers of "generations". Yes, and maneuver cannon duels leave the computer players, let them rejoice in "superiority".

[sir_obs]

This was already about the fact that maneuverable battles are a thing of the past and guns are not needed. The Americans quickly revised this concept and returned the guns to phantoms when the concept of exceptionally long-range missile battles in the air did not justify itself.
In addition, over-maneuverability is needed not only for close combat, but you can dodge a missile.
Anticipating, so to speak ... this knowledge was not obtained from computer yokes and the Internet.

[Tusv]

Quote: MarioG

Probably in every stall you can buy a serial plane of 5 generation.

But the Jews then, this, broke. They promised a squadron by the end of this year, but they chose the Japanese

[voyaka uh]

"Promised a squadron by the end of this year," ////

Not . Delivery according to plan. By the end of the year, 2 aircraft were promised. One already
passes test flights, complete the assembly of the second.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

Not . Delivery according to plan. By the end of the year, 2 aircraft were promised. One already
passes test flights, complete the assembly of the second.

There are 15 in the foreign press by the end of the year, and not two. Well, I’m not an instigator, but the kaoyo poets made a different decision. I belittle, I'm a Jew myself

[cniza]

Do you have another suggestion? Probably in every stall you can buy a serial plane of 5 generation.

An independent country buys what it wants, and Japan something that will oblige it, even though it participated in this project.

[MarioG]

Quote: cniza

An independent country buys what it wants, and Japan something that will oblige it, even though it participated in this project.

Such touching concern for Japan’s independence is simply touching. Can the Japanese simply have no idea of ​​fixing the production of everything and everything exclusively on their own? They didn’t think that they simply didn’t have pseudo-imperial ways?

[Alex777]

And there are manners, and Japan is developing its own fifth-generation fighter project itself, and all Japanese Amer fighters at their plants have been finalized to a higher level.
Something like that.

[aszzz888]

Yeah, a woman bought a pig!

[AdekvatNICK]

it would be cool if he would slide off the stage into the audience at the presentation.

[katalonec2014]

Have you abandoned your development? These people have money to buy, though there are plenty of debts. Congratulations, now prepare for their maintenance.

[jovanni]

Ooohhh! Beautiful - rich! Well, in the sense they presented ... It is interesting, but they will give it to fly, or will it still stand under the color spotlights? To risk such babos ...

[Ruswolf]

Judging by the gesture of his left hand, His opinion is far from a smile:
"Why the hell ... we need this!"

[magician]

soon the eyes with the Far Eastern incision will become with the Middle Eastern incision as soon as they come to TO.))) maybe earlier.)))

[Thunderbolt]

But we won’t see it, maybe. the face will be hidden under an opaque visor

[Bloodsucker]

In a strange way, but the japon in this helmet does not resemble a samurai, but Satan.
The fate of all Amer’s technology is this, since it always and everywhere carries demo ... phew, death and destruction, just like in the annals of Satan.
By the way, in the United States the Church of Satan is officially allowed .. then there is nothing to be surprised that from there, from the USA, all the most inhuman, perversions and vice are wallowing in the world .. Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st century.

[Bayonet]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

The fate of all Amer’s technology is this, since it always and everywhere carries demo ... phew, death and destruction, just like in the annals of Satan.

All right? And which was Lend-Lease?

[viktorR]

Do you not get bored all day long, constantly sit on this forum and write posts in defense of the United States and how disgusted you are with "quilted jackets"? Do you work anywhere? Or a retired officer's daughter?

There are no articles wherever I came across your bad comments.

[Bayonet]

Quote: viktorR

You are not bored all day, constantly sit on this forum

No, it doesn’t bother, I’m not the only one.

Quote: viktorR

write posts in defense of the United States and how disgusted you are with "quilted jackets"

If I don't swear at them, don't call them "mattress makers" and don't write about "diapers", then I protect them? About "nasty quilted jackets" - this is your literary fabrications. It's all the same to me - even call yourself teapots

Quote: viktorR

Do you even work somewhere?

I work. Work sometimes allows you to pick up a tablet. Do not worry - the production process is not reflected

Quote: viktorR

Or retired officer daughter?

Son. I’m a boy (though I’m already a pensioner), and not a girl

Quote: viktorR

Do you not get bored all day long, constantly sit on this forum and write posts in defense of the United States and how disgusted you are with "quilted jackets"? Do you work anywhere? Or a retired officer's daughter?

There are no articles wherever I came across your bad comments.

You will not please everyone, but you need to have an opinion!

[Bloodsucker]

Bayonet, do you have a month to protect Amers, Israelis and others? Or are you always like that?
You dispute that the Americans, where they didn’t come, are everything destroyed there?
Or are you now singing your favorite liberal song, about the notorious plan of Marshall, as now about Lend-Lease?
We put two cars next to them — the IS tank and the Churchill tank, the T6, for example, which looks prettier and what looks ugly and menacing .........- change your mentality.

[Bayonet]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Bayonet, do you have a month to protect Amers, Israelis and others? Or are you always like that?

Always like that. I do not like all sorts of ostentatious months, as well as "exemplary" and "demonstrative". And why should I protect them, they themselves know how - not small.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Or are you now singing your favorite liberal song, about the notorious plan of Marshall, as now about Lend-Lease?

No, I won’t sing - there is no mood to sing. But if you sing something, maybe a little slowly

Quote: The Bloodthirster

We put together two cars, an IS tank and a Churchill tank, T6, for example, which looks prettier,

But to whom, to whom and to the bride of a mare! If the IS-3 and above - like more.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

-change your mentality.

I won't, I don't change my beliefs! I don't keep my tail downwind, "party line" - to the light

[Simpsonian]

the month is not the right word but you almost guessed

[Arikkhab]

and which was Lend-Lease she didn’t take part in hostilities?

[Simpsonian]

then without strategic lend-lease from the USA strategic Nazi materials went to Nazi Germany, otherwise the Wehrmacht would have more than completely lost its combat readiness even under Stalingrad
moreover, the delivery to the USSR for any money of a part from the list of these materials supplied cheaply to the Nazis was refused.
Everything was done openly as Truman said openly for the Washington Post in June 1941.

[Ajent cho]

Quote: Bayonet

All right? And which was Lend-Lease?

Good help: first, bleed Germany from the USSR, and then sell weapons. And then still warm the Natsik in order to appropriate many developments.
More questions?

[region58]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

The fate of all Amer’s equipment is such

Damn ... Technique then what? Are there few ghouls running around with our Kalash?

[AdekvatNICK]

he looks like my washing machine

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

The fate of all Amer’s technology is this, since it always and everywhere carries demo ... phew, death and destruction, just like in the annals of Satan.

Weapons of nationality do not have and their appearance is determined only by the utilitarian nature of the tasks that they have to carry out, art designers and cult workers are not allowed to come close to this topic. The bullets worked at our cartridge factories are not very different from those that they carry in their M-16 store and rockets in mines that are at rest can be distinguished only by a specialist, but for others it will be only an ideal tool of death, frightening and delighting with its perfection.
Goddamn demons are definitely demons, but our divine Kalashnik doesn’t burn them with their spirituality in their hands and on the arms of the detachments. And Tupolev didn’t copy the American bomber because he sold himself to the dark forces, but simply the USSR-Motherland needed this.
I am confident that our promising systems of situational awareness will differ little from this horned fearsman, because exact verified solutions have few options and weapons, like the laws of physics, are large cosmopolitans.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Thunderbolt

The fate of all Amer’s technology is this, since it always and everywhere carries demo ... phew, death and destruction, just like in the annals of Satan.

Okay, let's change the words- "The fate of the amers is, once and for all to bear the demo ... ugh, death and destruction, just like in the annals of Satan." So the idea is more accessible?

[Greenwood]

Do you really dream of Green Card secretly?

[NEXUS]

Thunderbolt

I am confident that our promising systems of situational awareness will differ little from this horned fearsman, because exact verified solutions have few options and weapons, like the laws of physics, are large cosmopolitans.

Here's what the helmet for PAK FA will look like before.

[Green trumpet]

Japan mom ... The helmet for the F-35 pilot looks awful !!! JHMCS is a million times more beautiful, and more reliable, I think ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Strange. They, like, created the miracle of the fifth generation of weapons? ... And the F-35 here on the BO so often hayali, I thought, it’s not that Japan - Papua will not accept a new Guinea for free ... Maybe not so bad mosquito? We'll see...

[Themi30]

The leader of the Redskins

If this is sarcasm, then he is stunningly stupid due to a complete lack of knowledge of what is happening here. For such intellectuals, I would like to inform you that money for this plane was collected from many countries and "orders" for it by the Americans distributed for a long time, including Japan. How many planes the Japanese and other "partners" would buy was known even when he was just learning to fly.
And this is clearly an indicator of a strong, independent, country and a good aircraft ..

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thank. I'm just not a flyer. Well, that is, I am interested in aviation, but not to such subtleties.)))

[viktorR]

And this is clearly an indicator of a strong, independent, country and a good aircraft ..

Good banter))

[dmi.pris1]

Yeah. The first hemorrhoids in half with a smut they got, not a plane ..

[Tibidokh]

Quote: dmi.pris

Yeah. The first hemorrhoids in half with a smut they got, not a plane ..

Well, yes ... Airplane .. well. Harboring! (no offense , could not resist simply).
Dear dmi.pris, the USA has:
- magic machine
- great universities where professionals from all over the world go
- vast experience and great traditions of aircraft manufacturing
It seems to me that the United States in any case will bring the F-35A / B / C to mind.
Here it is necessary not to blame the USA, but to praise our designers and industrialists, who, having many times less financial and human resources, compete on equal terms with the West and even manage to excel in some ways.
With respect!

[noWAR]

They said beautifully, except for the first paragraph, but they would have changed the avatar, Dear.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: noWAR

but the avatar would be changed

OK, I'll think about it.

[PKK]

Well, everyone is waiting for the attack on the Kuril Islands. The Japs will encircle the islands and capture them. And then they will go to China and recapture the bulk islands from them. Then the Japs will heal happily.

[non-placeholder]

What a shitty plane ....
And why no one will appreciate the idea?
The United States is building planes for other people's money, which it will then service for other people's money. At the same time, these aircraft will operate in the interests of states around the world. And planes for other people's money can be ah how much to rivet, and no matter how much it costs, someone else's money.
Question to the audience - how much does the Su-35S need to withstand 2500pcs F-35 ??
Bravo USA. Or maybe they launch ducks about the problems of their planes, so that we continue to strain our butt in order to make a hundred T-50s? And boast that PAK-FA is better than Lightning

[Cat]

Who told you that the plane is crappy? The United States has always been ahead in avionics, it has read silly statues, you carry a very dangerous opinion, our reconnaissance aircraft need to study the aircraft closer in different spectra when the Japs use them.

[non-placeholder]

how would I better explain my words about crappy - read the comments on VO

[Cat]

On a snap, Americans were the first to come up with suits for overloading pilots, phased array antennas, engines with a deviating thrust vector, a technology for scattering radar signals, that is, stealth technology, the first American-style heat-guided missiles for air combat were German, but before management by wire and this is not a complete list of the introduction of combat aircraft in the Americans. All these su 35s are toys, I believe that the Americans logically rely not on maneuverable combat, but on long-range destruction of an enemy who hasn’t even spotted you, despite the fact that in close combat at low speeds the F 35 surpasses su 35, if only because which can stupidly hang in place and even move backwards due to vertical take-off. Our long time to work out the side nozzles for super-maneuverability for fighters because again the first Americans will do it just to work in orbit and super-arrogance that people can not stand in unmanned mode.

[non-placeholder]

the question is not who invented, but who brought to mind and correctly applied.
The open question of hovering in close maneuverable combat pleased - after all, we have creative people

[Cat]

No, well, what if I would ride Since the Americans did just that, the stealth technology was invented, it seems in the Soviet Union, then that guy ran away after the collapse in the United States.

[Cat]

Moreover, the ESR of su 35 is much worse than that of F 35, so melee might not be necessary to uncle.

[Simple]

Quote: Cat

despite the fact that in close combat at low speeds f 35 is superior to su 35, if only because can stupidly hang in place and even move backwards thanks to vertical take-off.

Well, it's you .... mmm gave
1. "Hanging backwards" can only F-35B

2. No maneuverability in STOVL


It is understandable
PMD mass
- mass of additional fuel
-balance of the CM.
And with cruising "just like that" go to "hovering", and even more so "backwards" .. will do it (or rather, his Su-35 will definitely fill up several times while he prepares to commit this moment)

[Simpsonian]

If maneuverability is worse then why can't the ordinary hang? fuel does not happen much.

[Simple]

Quote: Simpsonian

If maneuverability is worse then why can't the ordinary hang?

mdyayaya ...
does the "ordinary" have PMD?

well, if only such a "normal"

but he flew like an iron

Quote: Simpsonian

fuel does not happen much.

Well, get into your car, not 40-90ltr, but 600ltr.
of course "there is never too much." What to do next? to trade fuel on the sidelines?

[Simpsonian]

What is "me"? If an ordinary one cannot hover, then his maneuverability is worse.

do not slide from litak to scooters

The Su-35 will overwhelm him before hovering due to its static instability.

[1rl141]

Quote: Cat

Americans were the first to come up with

Quote: Cat

thrust vector engines

Who said that? The first UHT aircraft was the English Harrier.

[viktorR]

radar scattering technology

- based on the book of a Soviet scientist :)

phased array antenna

If you are talking about the headlamp on a plane, then in my opinion the first headlamp was on a moment-31

logically rely not on maneuverable combat, but on the long-term destruction of the enemy who did not even notice you

- Wrong logic, why then on lightning cannon and BVB missiles? They rely on the mass character and universality, and not on the DVB. And lightning in the WB is very far from the "toy" of the Su-35, as well as the radius and speed of interception I am silent about the BVB. But of course there will be much more of them Su-35, that's the "secret".

long-term destruction of the enemy who did not even notice you

- If "stealth" turns on the radar, it is no longer stealth, this technology is more useful for suppressing air defense. And 35 stealth is much less than 22 and even more so 117

[Simpsonian]

Quote: viktorR

in my opinion the first headlamp was on a blink-31

but he has more pluses than you

[Krsk]

tell Dragan Matic about stealth technology

[Krsk]

and about OVT, what is your evidence? (Well, Americans have something to do with development)

[Simpsonian]

here all at once except a suit you were mistaken

[Hapfri]

Who told you that the plane is crappy? The United States has always been ahead in avionics,

Maturing America is a sign of good form. It means a patriot. Do not need anything else. Then you can carry any nonsense.
My opinion is that when we learn to live and work as Americans, when we create the same life for ourselves as ours, then we can talk about something. In the meantime, we are up to them as to the moon
Learn, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed. And to work.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Hupfri

when we learn how to live and work like Americans,

How do they work? Tell me.

Quote: Hupfri

when we create in ourselves the same life as theirs, then it will be possible to talk about something.

And how do they live there? Is it possible in more detail? Well, at least about social tower houses, where the elevator, for the sake of cheaper operation, stops across the floor.

Quote: Hupfri

Learn, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed.

Tell us how ordinary Americans learn.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Well, at least about social tower houses, where the elevator, for the sake of cheaper operation, stops across the floor.

I have been in such a house, the Soviet project is still standing in Rostov on the embankment.

Quote: Mordvin 3

Tell us how ordinary Americans learn.

At school, college, university. Mostly good, because they know - dad and mom will not sit around their neck until they are bent, as is customary.

[Mordvin 3]

In, Bayonet climbed.

Quote: Bayonet

At school, college, university. Mostly good

Yeah, tell this to teachers from poor neighborhoods, where they don’t know how students can write, because, since the collapse of the USSR, written classes are simply not held (a prototype of the USE). Colleges are the same for the poor. And how much do you have to pay to the university? Yes, and there are boobs that are listed, because they can only throw a ball, and swing a club, and no more horseradish. They don’t sit on the neck of their parents, they are sitting on a social network, some already in the 3 generation.

Quote: Bayonet

I have been in such a house, a Soviet project

I have never seen.

[Hapfri]

Quote: Bayonet
I have been in such a house, a Soviet project
I have never seen.

Come in, I live in this.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In, Bayonet climbed.

The bayonet did not "fit" - The bayonet pricked! You can get in ... well, we will not continue.

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yeah, tell this to teachers from poor neighborhoods, where they don’t know how students can write, because, since the collapse of the USSR, written classes are simply not held (a prototype of the USE). Colleges are the same for the poor. And how much do you have to pay to the university? Yes, and there are boobs that are listed, because they can only throw a ball, and swing a club, and no more horseradish. They don’t sit on the neck of their parents, they are sitting on a social network, some already in the 3 generation.

I don’t understand dear "Mordvin" - do you live in Mordovia or in the States?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bayonet

"Mordvin" - Do you live in Mordovia or in the States?

I live in the Tula region.

Quote: Bayonet

The bayonet pricked!

Prick yourself with your soldering iron ... I won’t go any further, Mr. Radio Master.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Prick yourself with your soldering iron.

Why did it happen? Maybe this is with you - "Tula Mordvins" such fun, but we do not, we do not practice

[Mordvin 3]

Bayonet, so you name the house project, where does the elevator stop through the floor, or not? I mean a project from the USSR, interesting.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Bayonet, so you name the house project, where does the elevator stop through the floor, or not? I mean a project from the USSR, interesting.

Well, what do you think, where do I find out the project of a house built 40 years ago, which I visited several times? Square one, nine-story. I can only try to find a photo.
PS / I found it, it is indicated by an arrow.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I mean a project from the USSR, interesting.

to click
Next and second, same

[Simpsonian]

it is necessary to expand horizons, in the USA among yours it is fashionable

[sir_obs]

I am amused.
America has a different approach. There, relatives simply kick the kids out of the house, go and secure yourself, as you can.
No need to write about American paradise, judging by their films. Reality is far from so rosy.
Half of the Americans do not go to school at all, no reason. The Americans have a different approach, if something does not bring money, this is superfluous knowledge. The level of training of their students is terrible. In colleges, everything is taught narrowly-specially and very expensively, not everyone can afford education. And labor productivity is not based on high enthusiasm and responsibility, but on the fear of losing a job.
There is no need to advertise the level of Western life; not everyone lives well everywhere.
I have many friends in the states who were able to settle down in different ways, but none of them are experiencing your enthusiasm about the standard of living. Moreover, they almost all belong to the middle class.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: sir_obs

I have many friends in the states who were able to settle down in different ways, but none of them are experiencing your enthusiasm about the standard of living.

Sorry to interfere ... Do any of your friends want to return to their homeland?

[atalef]

Quote: sir_obs

America has a different approach. There, relatives simply kick the kids out of the house, go and secure yourself, as you can.
No need to write about American paradise, judging by their films. Reality is far from so rosy.

No need to rush to extremes - what does it mean kicked out? Just a filthy broom
It's just that everything is so mentally built - the children go home after school after learning to study in colleges.
There is nothing wrong with that.
Or is it better like in Europe? Until 35 years, baby lives with parents

Quote: sir_obs

Half of the Americans do not go to school at all, no reason.

Well, yes, of course, half. There is no one to study at all and does not work. And parents drive the children out onto the street so that they get homeless and inject

Quote: sir_obs

And labor productivity is not based on high enthusiasm and responsibility, but on the fear of losing a job.

Of course Have you ever been to America?

Quote: sir_obs

I have many friends in the states who were able to settle down in different ways, but none of them are experiencing your enthusiasm about the standard of living.

They must have been chained by shackles in the states, no one wants to return to the Russian Federation?

Quote: sir_obs

No need to write about American paradise, judging by their films. Reality is far from so rosy.

That's what you wrote just composed on films. Whose only? Soviet or DPRK

[Tibidokh]

And again on the streets not a single bird except these. They will be eaten on Tuesday

Damn, I almost described myself with laughter ...

You can also eat snow, which is full in the US

Now, I doubt that this film was shot by North Koreans. Most likely he was filmed by South Korean propagandists to make North Koreans idiots.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

Or is it better like in Europe? Until 35 years, baby lives with parents

I returned to my parents, and I live with them. What's bad about it? Right now I’ll set a new counter, because the authorities decided that the old one was inaccurate. And, you, Atalef, have you passed your parents to a nursing home?

[atalef]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: atalef

Or is it better like in Europe? Until 35 years, baby lives with parents

I returned to my parents, and I live with them. What's bad about it? Right now I’ll set a new counter, because the authorities decided that the old one was inaccurate. And, you, Atalef, have you passed your parents to a nursing home?

what for ? my mother (72 of the year) lives on her own, copes with everything perfectly, still walks on 5 km a day and swims a mile a day later. May God give her health and until 120 years
but when the time comes, of course, I will not be able to provide care and maintenance of such a level as there — I can’t provide a nursing home. you just probably don’t know what a good old age home is (in Israel, and in Europe and America the same)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: atalef

Of course, I will not be able to provide care and services of such a level as there — I can’t provide a nursing home. You just probably don’t know what a nursing home is of a good standard (in Israel, and in Europe and America the same)

That's right, I don’t know. And I don’t want to know. For me, no retirement home can replace a native family.

[Hapfri]

How do they work? Tell me

Please if you insist. In the USA, in particular, there is a chance to bring their ideas to production. And see your brainchild in the series. It's not easy in Russia. An example is a Zhiguli. Thank God we have finished producing the "penny".

And how do they live there? Is it possible in more detail?

Of course you can. Low-rise construction is well established. An engineer working in a corporation has the opportunity to buy a home. In our country, especially in the provinces, this is unrealistic. You have to live in a hruschech overlooking a malachite puddle.
The life of people with disabilities is not bad, we unfortunately have not created the infrastructure for people with limited mobility.

Tell us how ordinary Americans learn.

I answer your question. The USA produces good narrow specialists. A person is well versed in his profession. It can fruitfully work in its place. There is no such tradition in Russia. A person first receives a profession and then decides what he will do. The situation in medicine is especially deplorable. It is not only the client’s money for money. Often, the doctor writes a diagnosis that does not exist in nature. What do poor fellows at medical schools teach? Have you met them yet? Surely meet. And then you remember me.
The situation is bad with law enforcement agencies. With us, a police colonel can store billions of rubles at home, probably going to bribe his superior and pay for criminal services.
I hope that I answered your questions briefly.
I have a question for you. Does that suit you all?
Do not you think that a lot can be adopted from the Americans? Or let it remain as it is. The Soviet have their own pride.

[Mordvin 3]

Today, more companies are closing in the US than opening. As a result of globalization, many companies simply go abroad, and people stupidly remain without work, sitting on a social network.

Quote: Hupfri

It can fruitfully work in its place. There is no such tradition in Russia.

Yeah, Detroit is an example for you.

Quote: Hupfri

Have you met them yet? Surely meet.

You in the USA will give so much for the treatment that hell will admit how you got divorced.

Quote: Hupfri

Our police colonel can keep billions of rubles at home,

I know about this without you. You'd better tell us about the United States, where the movers on Wall Street can "earn" several million in one phone call.
What, do you stop the elevator through the floor? What kind of project?
P.S. And your name is not Vanya? Well the one that is Down House?

[Hapfri]

Yeah, Detroit is an example for you.

Where are the blacks? Well, you're a fan of living with Central Asians.
Do you seriously think that the USA consists of Detroit, like Russia consists of single-industry towns with one closed mining complex and a drunken population?
There is also Silicon Valley.

You in the USA will give so much for the treatment that hell will admit how you got divorced.

When I said that the doctor in the hospital comes up with non-existent diagnoses, I did not exaggerate anything. I do not know how much treatment costs in America. I don’t live there. But I cannot but be bothered by the critical level of incompetence of domestic Aesculapius. But it suits you. And it is sad

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Hupfri

There is also Silicon Valley.

Yeah, only high school graduates will not get there.

Quote: Hupfri

When I said that the doctor in the hospital comes up with non-existent diagnoses, I did not exaggerate anything.

So we are blowing everything away from the United States, we didn’t make any defunct diagnoses in the USSR (judging by our own experience).

Quote: Hupfri

Where are the blacks? Well, you're a fan of living with Central Asians.

You are more careful there with this word, and it’s not that they will not give the green card, but in general entry will be forbidden, like Bagrov, with his bald brother.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Mordvin 3

non-existent diagnoses were not made in the USSR

In the USSR there was free medicine. The quality and conditions of treatment depended on the presence of blat.

Quote: Mordvin 3

So we blow away all the carbon from the United States

It would be better "blown away" as a carbon copy, than as the current methods of treatment. We partially adopted the ideas of the capitalist world from the United States, but we did not quite succeed in diluting this idea with our own flavor (as the Chinese did). Instead of the Russian flavor (forgive me for calling all Russians Russians, I’m so used to it), society introduced into all spheres of life: laziness, bribery, illiteracy, etc.
I repeat and specify, it was necessary to act like the Chinese - not to destroy the ideas of communism, but to bring to them the best that was in capitalism. The Chinese were lucky that at the right time at the helm was Den XiaoPing. We didn’t have such a leader, even Putin is sooooo far from him.

Quote: Mordvin 3

You are more careful there with this word, and, not that the green card will not be given

He may not be given. But the conditional "colonel" with lards of rubles, who votes only for the United Russia, supports Putin in everything and selflessly takes on the "liberoids", they will give them a whistle!

[Ruswolf]

Monos
Not "us", but you. We are not chasing A.Mers, we have no time to look back

I agree!
Moreover, 7 slavery throughout the United States of America was officially abolished in February 2013
It turns out that in the state of Mississippi the 13-I amendment to the US Constitution has not been ratified, abolishing slavery. which entered into force on December 6 1865
And then they learned by chance!
So who needs to learn from whom ?!

[Hapfri]

slavery throughout the United States of America was officially abolished in February 2013

Yes, stop it. Write more about the cat that must wear a flashlight at night.
More importantly, there is no spitting in the porches.

[Simpsonian]

where is it in the Bronx?

[Hapfri]

Not "us", but you. We are not chasing A.Mers, we have no time to look back. You need to catch up with them and have time to lick them.
It is especially touching to hear the call "Work!" from the liberoid-grant-sucker. laughing

What nonsense. However, what to talk about with the collective farmer ... your motto is not to stick out. And then someone will notice and where to report. Better to die in a stable and die.

[romex1]

I don’t need such a life

[Born in USSR]

Quote: Hupfri

Learn, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed

So great Stalin spoke at the Komsomol congress. And the great Lenin said on this subject: real heroes stand out among the workers, who - despite the ugly atmosphere of their lives, despite the stupid hard labor in the factory - find in themselves so much character and willpower to learn, study and study and develop from self-conscious social democrats, the "working intelligentsia." V.I. Lenin
Perhaps Lenin used the phrase of A.P. Chekhov from the work “My Life (The Story of a Provincial)”: We need to learn, study and study, but with deep social currents we shall wait: we have not yet grown up to them and, in conscience, do not understand anything about them. A.P.Chekhov

[region58]

Quote: Cat

need to study closer the plane in various spectra

So they fly with a Luneberg lens in peacetime in order to significantly increase the EPR.

[Tusv]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

Question to the audience - how much does the Su-35S need to withstand 2500pcs F-35 ??

Perhaps not one. The border patrol is carried out by Su-27. And after the Yankees spotlighted the Raptor with a very clearly visible Su-24, precise guidance on the target for the S-300 and S-400 is very real

[non-placeholder]

Su24, as practice has shown, doesn't even see the F-16, what raptors are you talking about?
Well, since such a booze has gone - do you have the C300 and C400 around the world?

[Tusv]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

Well, since such a booze has gone - do you have the C300 and C400 around the world?

What is there for the whole world, it’s violet to me. The main thing is that these complexes protect our air border.
And about the Su-24 and the Raptor. You don’t understand what. Radars C - 400, according to the position of the Su-24, the exact coordinates of the Raptors were detected. Caught a dinosaur on live bait.
Threat. Sales of grumpy in the near future will increase very much

[Simple]

Quote: Tusv

And about the Su-24 and the Raptor. You don’t understand what. Radars C - 400, according to the position of the Su-24, the exact coordinates of the Raptors were detected. Caught a dinosaur on live bait.

what bullshit ....
In order for the C-400 radar to pinpoint the exact coordinates (basing? Instant in flight?), The SU-24 is not needed

[Tusv]

Quote: Just

In order for the C-400 radar to pinpoint the exact coordinates (basing? Instant in flight?), The SU-24 is not needed

I’m talking about the correspondence of the mark on the radar and the real coordinates of the target, if you do not understand. Consumption of eight (kill the whole square) is not garbage. It is not effective and very expensive. And so they get the standard ones - two and FSE consumption

[Simple]

Quote: Tusv

You do not understand. Consumption of eight (kill the whole square) is not garbage

Did not get it...
Do not understand.
In order to receive

Quote: Tusv

the real coordinates of the target

: no SU-24 is needed.
All control overflights / measurements - BEFORE ACCEPTANCE OF THE PRODUCT by the representative of the Ministry of Defense.
S = t * 2v. (V almost 300 000 km / s) will give you the distance to the target
azimuth and elevation to the target will give you angles.
OPA: in our 3-dimensional world (not counting the time) you have the exact coordinates of the target.
Doppler shift will give the relative speed of the target.
USE

[non-placeholder]

those. prefer to fight on your territory, but our leadership, thank God realized that it’s better over someone else’s

[Tusv]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

those. prefer to fight on your territory, but our leadership, thank God realized that it’s better over someone else’s

Why did you get this? Modern air defense of Russia eliminates the destruction of aerodynamic targets over its territory. We were taught that way. Otherwise they will destroy us.
VKS does not fight, it destroys., If it is not possible to invite guests with a checkered window

[non-placeholder]

a set of words from a true patriot

[Tusv]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

a set of words from a true patriot

Nothing personal - just a guards badge that allows you to bring down any target that threatens my homeland without the order of the Ministry of Defense

[non-placeholder]

Sorry , did not know that our president is fasting on this site. My respect Mr. President

[Tusv]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

Sorry recourse, did not know that our president is fasting on this site. My respect Mr. President

Sarcasm counted as stupidity. And we are really allowed to bring down everyone who is able to carry the b -61 20 km from the border

[Bloodsucker]

That's great. Success and no miss.

[non-placeholder]

but they didn’t tell you that the service is not very well distributed, especially on forums, the first department reads all your traffic.
And do not shave the badge. he's secret and you’ll come in handy, all of a sudden you’ll have to bring down the hooligans, and MO will not be around.

[Bayonet]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

Do you have the C300 and C400 around the world?

Throughout IN! And also "Khibiny", "Caliber", "Armata" and other amazing nishtyaks, from which the Americans are "in a panic", "horrified" and piss in "diapers"!

[noWAR]

Wow, the psychiatrists-therapists from Israel treated you, Bayonet.

[Bayonet]

Quote: noWAR

Wow, the psychiatrists-therapists from Israel treated you, Bayonet.

I have not been to Israel, but I plan. And you, my dear, I strongly advise you to undergo a comprehensive examination! And stop eating hallucinogens!

[Simpsonian]

no need to pull others for an examination ...

[Приговор]

It is good that at least this time there was no fire ..;))))))

[PKK]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

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Not a place today, 13:35 ↓ New
What a shitty plane .... fellow
And why no one will appreciate the idea? request

MiG 29 class aircraft, quite vertical, weapons inside. Support aircraft. It is wrong to compare it with Su, a smaller class.

[Bayonet]

Quote: PKK

MiG 29 aircraft, completely vertical

Well, yes, when it falls vertically, but mostly - it flies horizontally

[Hapfri]

42 aircraft is serious.
Kim the Great Chinese and citizens will be uncomfortable. Yes, and we need to hurry.

[Banishing liberoids]

And the owners of the State Department banned their fifth-generation aircraft from doing?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

And the owners of the State Department banned their fifth-generation aircraft from doing?

. “The X-2 is Japan’s first PROTOTYPE (!) Aircraft with Stealth technology, which reduces radar detection and has extremely high maneuverability,” the manufacturer said. “The prototype integrates a hull, engines and other advanced systems and equipment adapted for the aircraft of the future.”

[Tibidokh]

The first 4 cars will be assembled in the USA, the rest - in Japan at the Final Assembly & Check-Out Facility specially created for this enterprise

Final Assembly & Check-Out Facility - abbreviated FAC OF
Everything is simple here, to someone in the Kuril Islands, and to someone, Fak of!

[Banishing liberoids]

For the price it turns out that the landing gear should be diamond, as well, M, the whole plane ???

[Simpsonian]

from titanium bought in Russia ...

[Mentat]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Alex_Rarog

may they not remember who bombed them! and after 20 years they will say that they were Russian!

And we early forgot who paid tribute to 300 years! So another 20 years later they will say that it was the Americans!

Do not foolishly. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a war crime for which the Americans will answer sooner or later.
In Japan, everyone remembers, and not everyone is delighted with the Americans. The main thing is not to forget what they were doing during WWII.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mentat

In Japan, everyone remembers, and not everyone is delighted with the Americans. The main thing is not to forget what they were doing during WWII.

Who are the Japanese? They did so many things that Dr. Mengele had never thought of. Detachment 731 - doesn't say anything? But ordinary Japanese officers loved to argue with the sword of prisoners - from shoulder to hip!

[Simpsonian]

these are Chinese, Japanese dress differently.

[Tusv]

Quote: Mentat

Do not foolishly. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a war crime for which the Americans will answer sooner or later.

The victorious countries are not under jurisdiction, and sooner or later no one is going to conquer them.
Half a cup is 100 grams, not half full or empty

[Ruswolf]

In 1946, Americans granted immunity to one of the founders of the 731 detachment, microbiologist, Lieutenant General of the Imperial Army of Japan Shiro Ishii in exchange for documents on bacteriological weapons.
So the atomic bombing is not all US crimes. The Early Release Commission, established at the headquarters of the Allied Commander-in-Chief, US Army General Douglas MacArthur, released 1949 more Japanese criminals in 45.

[Warm Padded Jacket]

raw vtyuhivat is nuno know how))) Yes, even for such grandmothers)))

[Bayonet]

Quote: Warm Quilted Jacket

raw vtyuhivat is nuno know how))) Yes, even for such grandmothers)))

You explain this to the Japanese - "they are stupid"

[Monos]

US Air Force spokesman Mark Graff's statement that the fifth-generation F-35A fighter-bomber caught fire during engine start-up right at the Mountain Home air base in Idaho

No need to explain anything to the Japanese. They themselves can read the news.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Monos

No need to explain anything to the Japanese.

It is right. The first four F-35As for Japan are fully manufactured by Lockheed Martin at the Fort Worth facility, and the remaining 38 are due to be assembled by the Japanese Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Corporation in 2018 at the Final Assembly & Check-Out Facility in Nagoya. Japanese industry will take an active part in subcontracting their production. Japanese F-35A flight crew training will begin in the US in November 2016.
It is assumed that the ordered F-35A aircraft in the Air Force of the Self-Defense Forces of Japan will go into service with the 301st and 302nd squadrons of the 7th aviation wing, replacing the McDonnell Douglas F-4EJ-Kai Phantom II fighters in their composition. At the same time, the 7th air wing will be transferred from the Khyakuri air base to the Misawa air base.

[Simpsonian]

did you write this for whom and for what?

[Simpsonian]

it’s possible that it’s below average, since their Americans and their own nobility then easily convinced that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were Soviet affairs, but they didn’t take into account the usual bombing

[kolkulon]

And where is their own development? Roll out like already. Decided not to bother?

[tinibar]

Quote: DEZINTO

Have Hiroshima and Nagasaki bowed low?

Yes, the Japanese have bent over. After all ... Now I wish them to torment themselves with the super masterpiece of the American aviation industry. For your own money ...

[Incvizitor]

Licked the owner ...

[Mentat]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

What a shitty plane ....
And why no one will appreciate the idea?
Or maybe they launch ducks about the problems of their planes, so that we continue to strain our butt in order to make a hundred T-50s? And boast that PAK-FA is better than Lightning

Read about the studies of Australians on the subject of ducks and very good aircraft - they abandoned the F-35 due to low real TTX.

[non-placeholder]

hehe
they did not refuse, and only one Australian conducted research and all. do not need to read a lot IN, read another thread.
http://www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Future-Acqu
isitions / F-35A-Lightning-II /? RAAF-ZRnYQhJUh1u0e44
uR32olOT1rt + Ym4K3

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

What a shitty plane ....
And why no one will appreciate the idea?
Or maybe they launch ducks about the problems of their planes, so that we continue to strain our butt in order to make a hundred T-50s? And boast that PAK-FA is better than Lightning

Read about the studies of Australians on the subject of ducks and very good aircraft - they abandoned the F-35 due to low real TTX.

Not at all ! Australia finally decided that F-35 fighters are too expensive for her. To upgrade its air force, Canberra will purchase 24 F / A-18 F for a total of two billion dollars.
Military experts say: Canberra realized that the fifth-generation fighter F-35, although superior to the F / A-18, is too expensive. Each car is more expensive than its competitor by $ 40 million. Local experts evaluated this decision of the government differently. Some expressed regret, noting that the F-35 is a more powerful car. Others agreed, recognizing that Canberra simply does not need the F-35, and therefore can save without problems by acquiring less modern, but still powerful and reliable fighter FA / 18 F.

[Mentat]

Quote: Cat

Who told you that the plane is crappy?

For example, the Australian Defense Ministry.

[Mentat]

Quote: Bayonet

Who are the Japanese? They did so many things that Dr. Mengele had never thought of.

He wrote about this.

[Titsen]

I am very interested - and who puts the advantages of this article?

Maybe the Japanese?

[bad]

maybe svidomye?

[Simpsonian]

maybe the Zionists?

[Penzyac]

Quote: Cat

The Americans were the first to come up with an idea ...

You well remembered about STELS (detailed information was, among other things, on this resource) ... According to them (the Americans), they themselves were the first to come up with the radio itself, they even have a patent for it, though it’s also American. ..
And they were also the first on the Moon, only now I (and not me alone) are plagued by vague doubts ...

[Simpsonian]

Were (most likely) with Soviet help. Just like when creating the F-35

[bad]

Training of the flight personnel will begin in November of this year.

... emergency training? .. still shoved their crap cross-eyed .. oh well .. their problems ..

[bad]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Bayonet, do you have a month to protect Amers, Israelis and others? Or are you always like that?
You dispute that the Americans, where they didn’t come, are everything destroyed there?
Or are you now singing your favorite liberal song, about the notorious plan of Marshall, as now about Lend-Lease?
We put two cars next to them — the IS tank and the Churchill tank, the T6, for example, which looks prettier and what looks ugly and menacing .........- change your mentality.

..heh .. maybe just a month .. or a grant from behind a hill?

[Hapfri]

..heh .. maybe just a month .. or a grant from behind a hill?

Did not try to just turn to common sense?

[Bayonet]

Quote: bad

.or grant from abroad?

Unfortunately no, the "damned imperialists" do not need me! Can you sing along? Send a grant let's talk!

[Operator]

A quarter of a billion bucks for one Penguin like a bush

[Tusv]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

That's great. Success and no miss.

Main shot
Eh. It’s a pity that real bloodsuckers: RC-135, Tr-1, Poseidon and Orion cannot be overwhelmed - their volatile part of the IKS is saved from death by a fierce one - it drives away

[Simpsonian]

the main thing is that the E-F Japanese Japanese F-35 will almost certainly be inferior to the American

[Vlad5307]

That will be what the Air Defense Forces calculations will be trained on - a real goal. Check their invisibility and invulnerability.
And let the Yapis buy, the more they buy, the more our MO will strengthen the D-eastern frontiers! The islands are very close to Japan.

[Tusv]

non-placeholder,
But they didn’t tell you that the title of the Guard is a navce? Deprivation is cowardice and betrayal. I do not betray and the subscription ended twenty years ago, and I will learn secrets from the foreign press
Would you go to the Army

[pvv113]

ceremony of transfer of the first F-35A fighter to the Japanese Ministry of Defense

Crude aircraft, a lot of problems not brought to mind, and the US is already pushing allies in all of it

[Tusv]

Quote: e_mestofil-ko

stop but you weren’t told that it’s not good to spread about the service

Of course. even gave a subscription about non-disclosure (. Only I quote the bourgeois data, known to all

Quote: e_mestofil-ko

And don’t shave the badge

You do not come close to the Guards. So just in case. Guard is given forever.
And you insulted her

[Mentat]

Quote: ne_mestofil-ko

hehe
they did not refuse, and only one Australian conducted research and all. do not need to read a lot IN, read another thread.
http://www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Future-Acqu
isitions / F-35A-Lightning-II /? RAAF-ZRnYQhJUh1u0e44
uR32olOT1rt + Ym4K3

The Australian was not alone. At least two major analytical centers did not advise the Australian government to get involved with the F-35: New Australia and Air Power Australia, because of the report of which they rolled a barrel of it in the media, claiming that everything was described in the "X-files" the power of the F-35, and this center does not have access to these incredibly sensitive materials (*)

The decision to participate in the F-35 program in Australia was politically pushed. In 2011, they talked about what else they would consider whether to continue participating in the JSF in 2012 or to look for alternatives (***). The Australians postpone the purchase of imposed 100 aircraft, limiting to the 14th, and for a start they buy a couple for staff training, and then already a batch (**). They resist with all their hooves, but since they are in a submarine of the Anglo-Saxon world, they will most likely have nowhere to go.

However, at the moment, Australia is still trying to "jump off", stressing that the availability dates of the F-35 are constantly being moved off. If this continues, they will abandon the program (4 *).

Meanwhile, Australia is not the only country that resists the F-35 imposed by the Americans.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2015 announced a possible exit from the F-35 program, which was a big surprise, given that Canada has already invested in the production of components. Even Canada, a vassal of the United States with virtually no voting rights, makes gestures to slide off this hook. This suggests that the F-35 is far from chocolate.

With pictures of why the F-35 is bad from Air Power Australia “I don't hear evil, I don't see evil, I don't do good” (article title):
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-240310-1.htm
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So, dear one, you wouldn’t need to read “what-thread”, but broaden your horizons.

* http: //www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/16/f35_cont
roversy_kopp_latest /
** http: //defence.pk/threads/australian-defence-mi
nister-defends-f-35-choice.131867 /
*** http: //www.reuters.com/article/australia-f-idU
SL3E7JH0GG20110817
4 * http: //towardsthefinalhour.com/2016/04/australi
an-defense-force-rejects-public-unease-april-2016
/

[voyaka uh]

Australia is scheduled to bring its first two F-35 Joint Strike Fighters home in 2018,
and up to 26 jets are expected to be operational by 2020.

Australia was first promised the F-22 (as an exception)
then Congress did not allow. Australians were offended, of course.

Australian pilots are training on the first 2 F-35s, which
already listed in the Australian Air Force, at the US air base.
They will run around the squadron and drive it to themselves.

[Simpsonian]

HMAS Canberra will remain a "helicopter carrier" with a springboard

[B- 3ACADE]

Quote: Hupfri

Who told you that the plane is crappy? The United States has always been ahead in avionics,

Maturing America is a sign of good form. It means a patriot. Do not need anything else. Then you can carry any nonsense.
My opinion is that when we learn to live and work as Americans, when we create the same life for ourselves as ours, then we can talk about something. In the meantime, we are up to them as to the moon
Learn, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed. And to work.

Yeah. We started from the plane smoothly moved to the states. My friend. God forbid we all work and live like Americans — this is what a person who has been living here for 20 years tells you. You should still look for such scum. If you are going to kiss with them, please take into account one circumstance - where do not kiss the American everywhere (w) opa.

[noWAR]

Land, does not pull home?

[Vz.58]

It seems that you were not able to achieve what you yourself promised. Return to Russia, they are waiting for you there

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

love s from the whole show to arrange

[VladimS]

Quote: dauria

The mass character of the series, like the F-16, is simply guaranteed. And if we take into account that, apart from the Chinese and with a huge stretch of Russia, no one financially pulls the development of a similar one (and now you need to do not just the same, but much better one to sell)

Quote: dauria

++ - it’s ours that they began to call Su and MiG, in order to somehow veil the main problem - a large EPR.
Even if the F-35 does not reach the thrust-to-weight ratio, the main thing is that it is an aircraft of new requirements, and we cannot fix this with any tricks with pluses and numbers of "generations". Yes, and maneuver cannon duels leave the computer players, let them rejoice in "superiority".

What nonsense ??

[Mountain shooter]

The Starfighter theme came to mind. A grandiose scam of the amerovsky military-industrial complex.

[Simpsonian]

this is grander ...

[romex1]

Quote: Sentence

It is good that at least this time there was no fire ..;))))))

bad, very bad.

[Strashila]

In the end, the Americans took care of the air defense of our Far East ... now there is something to train on.

[Ze Kot]

Happiness is what ...

[Born in USSR]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

names are stupid just tin

Well, not dumber than "West in .op", in the sense of the Shop. And then there are full of all sorts of perverts, they understand everything not as it is written, but to the extent of their perversion. We have to paint all the abbreviations.

[Mentat]

Quote: pascal1973

What is it ??? First, Israel adopts the F-35, and Israel does not take bad things ... now Japan ... My colleagues and I filled up the entire site with comments "about the crappy F-35" ... and now here!

Israel takes what it is given. The West does not have another new generation aircraft and is not expected in the foreseeable future.

[Billgejtz]

are fire extinguishers included?

[Simpsonian]

even engines come at a separate price

[olegator]

still vparili ...))) the second "lucky" will be the Germans, apparently)))