USA vs China: the deadly battle of the XXI century

Publication of the American analytical agency Rand Corporation "War with China. Think about the unthinkable" is no longer an attempt to exert informational and political pressure on Beijing or to form a negative public attitude towards China as a potential aggressor in the South China Sea. This is a symbolic transition Rubicon. China is the most important trading partner of the United States, and quite recently it was unthinkable to imagine that the Pentagon’s professional displays, kept under the “Top Secret” label, would be pulled out like a genie from a bottle, even under the guise of independent civilian analytics. What are the true goals of the Rand Corp. "plum"? There are several of them.

The first task is internal: a clear message of the American nation. At one time, Roosevelt managed to overcome the traditional isolationism of fellow citizens only after the Pearl Harbor massacre. Given the popularity of Republican Trump's isolationist slogans and the reluctance of American business to complicate relations with Chinese partners, "swinging" America into an open conflict with a very strong adversary will not be easy. Especially since, based on military and economic realities, lose strike forces fleetas in the last century, the United States can no longer afford. Therefore, we should expect in the near future the continuation of an information campaign to demonize China and prepare the Americans for an "inevitable clash."

The second task, external, is no less important for Washington. The stakes are too high. The outcome of the planned conflict will determine not only the military and economic hegemon at least until the end of the century, but no less than the civilizational vector of the planet’s development, because, despite the liberal dogma about the leveling role of the global market, China does not at all demonstrate a desire to assimilate the democratic values ​​of the West. Therefore, the United States, long before the beginning of an open conflict, offers all the world's largest and regional players to decide on which civilizational model they ultimately support.

But this is all a general theory that paints a picture as a whole, but does not give an answer to particular ones. How can America, which is rapidly losing economic and military advantages in the civilization race with China, can win?

On the purely technical side, Washington is counting on the "third compensation strategy," voiced by Deputy Secretary of Defense Bob Wark as early as 2013. It involves intensive targeted funding of promising dual-use technologies, such as hypersound, energy weapon, XNUMXD printing, artificial intelligence, nanorobots, etc. All this may seem like science fiction, but until relatively recently, home computers, the Internet, mobile communications, and surgical Robots also seemed fantastic. Given that the new artificial intelligence system of the University of Cincinnati, for example, dealt with the American ace instructor on the air combat simulator with lightning speed, without giving him a single chance, the modified AI on promising unmanned vehicles will be a death sentence even for numerous Chinese Air Force. So as a result of the new generation arms race, America can gain significant advantages on the battlefield.



Do not discount other methods of exposure. For example, the intensification of national liberation movements in Tibet and the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, youth dissatisfaction in Hong Kong, etc. The attack on the Celestial Empire will be carried out in all possible directions, from the veiled discredit of the CCP in Chinese social networks to the outbreak of exotic diseases such as bird flu and atypical pneumonia, causing panic and blockade of whole areas.

It should also be understood that this war will be waged by America with deliberate cruelty and even cruelty. The world will have to get the most visual lesson: no one dares to challenge America and go unpunished.

(Translation of material from quora.com: https://www.quora.com/Will-there-be-a-war-between-the-Peoples-Republic-of-China-and-the-US/answer/AndyLoper? prompt_topic_bio = 1.)

Comments

[PKK]

In the United States, they shoot every day. In America, the same is not a weak bomb, and it is not known where it will explode before.

[Volzhanin]

It will explode earlier in America, but these English-speaking geeks can manage to unleash a world carnage. You just need to prevent them from doing this and observe from the inevitable and loud collapse of the empire of lies.

[GSH-18]

Well, what can I say? .. Everything fell into place. The main goal of the ameroconglamerate of the oligarchic power of azerbaijan is the creation of a world empire led by the US gigemon. Everything else (communism, democracy, monarchy, despotism) is just an excuse for human-opposing actions.
As long as the power of the United States will be on the salary of transnational corporations, there will be no peace in the world.

[Shick]

The Americans will calmly crush them economically by imposing sanctions or withdrawing their production from China. again, the United States is China's largest market. And the Chinese monster itself is probably the brainchild of Americans.

[ImPerts]

withdrawing its production from the territory of China

It is believed that the Chinese will not give it to them)))

[Kasym]

Squeezing economically is already unrealistic - the EAEU can provide everything that the Chinese do not have. In vain they are promoting the projects of Silk Road, SREB, SCO, BRICS, Greater Eurasia and AIIB. The RF energy belt of the PRC, Japan and Korea is offered - what they lack so much - the Power of Siberia, Altai, LNG, etc. The third is superfluous here, and it seems to me (according to the behavior of the leaders of Korea and Japan) the Japanese and Koreans are nishtyaks simply cannot miss - to drag from across the oceans, when there is near by, means to lose the competition with neighbors. Oh, how can the Russian Federation (EAEU) play "nicely" on this - and it (the game) began in Vladik (oh, how the leaders of the Koreans and Japanese courted the king-father)
From a military point of view. The West does not understand that they can be at least a hundred mil. send an army, but ... in a year all the soldiers ... will become civilized Chinese. They can go from Shanghai to Urumqi, but to no avail ... they assimilate these barbarians by the Chinese mentality (the first Western settlers in that Hong Kong, especially men, by no means wanted to return to the civilized world - read the books of D. Clavella "Noble House "," Tai-Peng "). And in another way, only ... genocide, but I'm afraid there won't be enough cartridges for all the Chinese ... Oh, poor fellows, they don't understand that you can't solve the problem with guns - tomorrow the whole west will become Chinese, and not Muslim. During the war, will their Chinese enclaves be driven into a concentration camp? And one cannot but take into account that those Chinese from Singapore to the Japanese Islands are darkness. In that Malaysia, there are a quarter of them - you will have to butt with the entire region. Do the Yankees understand this or what?

[Amr]

nothing shtu Russians of Ukraine are now fighting against the Russians of Donbas So the Chinese of Malaysia will fight))

[Kasym]

But at the same time, the Russians of Donbass are the main stronghold of the militia.
It can also happen in that Malaysia and everywhere where there are a lot of them.

[Amr]

Well, that's why the fans of the Russian city of Donetsk helped the fans of the Russian city of Odessa to burn the Russians in the Odessa House of Trade Unions)))

[Amr]

Kasym. Who didn’t you teach history?)) Who supplied weapons to the Dzhungars? How did the last khan die?)))

[Talgat]

I agree with Kasym! US missed 2 moment - when it was possible to crush even China and Yeltsin's Russia after the death of the USSR

And now - even if they are still the "rulers of the world" (or rather, not they, but a bunch of FPS bankers) - it will not be easy to bring Russia or China into obedience. And it will not work to stop the re-integration of Eurasia either - well, except that Ukraine was successfully torn off - but the rest merges into a new future force
And China, in general, is becoming a monster - and rightly say that the 21 century is a century of confrontation between China and the Fed -

[gladcu2]

Shick
Not properly.

China has a socialist planned economy, with state regulation. They quickly reorient themselves. It’s like a big monopoly, the whole leadership is centralized.

This is not capitalism with a dozen pikes of swans and crayfish.

[trantor]

Quote: Shick

or withdrawing its production from the territory of China

You blurted it out now without thinking.
First of all, nowhere.
Secondly, even if China gives it all back, then organize production in a new place or restore it in the USA (where it used to be before) - this is time, titanic work and crazy grandmas. And they themselves have forgotten how to work with their hands.

When was the last time you saw something with the "Made in USA" label?

[Darth Revan]

modified AI

Skynet? Oh well! Then little will not seem to anyone

[andrew42]

Washington strategists can grimace as much as they want, even inventing the "tenth compensation strategy", but they will NEVER get into a hot one in China. Yes, they will sharpen the Chinese ruling elite and introduce their agents of influence. Yes, they will stir up peripheral point conflicts, fanning Xinjiang, Tibet, China's disputes with Japan and Vietnam. But this is the maximum. The more a Jew, figuratively speaking, "gold" (liquid assets), the more he is a coward (fear of irreparable losses). At one time, they were able to finally crush backward China with gunboats / dreadnoughts, - they gave the japam to eat it up, - where is it now that puff. And in terms of attempts at unstructured governance, they do not take into account that Chinese nationalism has just taken its final form, and therefore all possible pro-Western creatures in the Chinese elite have been cut off for a long, very long time - they will be devoured at the slightest suspicion.

[ImPerts]

Quote: andrew42

Washington strategists can grimace as much as they want, even inventing the "tenth compensation strategy", but they will NEVER get into a hot one in China. Yes, they will sharpen the Chinese ruling elite and introduce their agents of influence. Yes, they will stir up peripheral point conflicts, fanning Xinjiang, Tibet, China's disputes with Japan and Vietnam. But this is the maximum.

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Quote: andrew42

therefore, all possible pro-Western creatures in the Chinese elite were stopped for a long, very long time

I completely agree. Now is not the 37 year, but the execution for theft on an especially large scale is the Chinese version of the 37 year.

[Lelek]

Quote: ImPerts

I completely agree. Now is not the 37 year, but the execution for theft on an especially large scale is the Chinese version of the 37 year.

With a population of 1,5 billion, they can afford it. But the dedication, capacity for work and the ability to adopt all the best from the Chinese does not take to become. It seems that soon there will be a saying: "where the Chinese passed, there the amerikos will not break off." Well, take at least the last one:

[Mikhail3]

War? Hot war with China? Yes, never! The Americans will lose it without options. The Chinese are also warriors, to put it mildly, so-so, but the quantity and economic power are not comparable. Real American factories have long been in China; this alone makes open conflict impossible.
So it will be used, and it is imperative that something like bacteriological mines. An epidemic of something truly well-designed would solve all the US problems on the planet. Maybe not an epidemic, but some kind of weapon of mass destruction based on new principles. Some kind of psychological suppression, something that does not exist now, at least openly.
Although dead bird flocks about ten years ago were found all over the world, and no one ever wondered what killed the birds.
No, there is no reason to wait for a war in the old sense of the word.

[g1v2]

Firstly, the Chinese, for starters, will be pitted with neighbors, who are also hundreds of millions. Initially, it was about opposing the PRC-Pakistan-Bangladesh block to another block - India-Vietnam-Taiwan-Philippines-Japan. The population of China and India is now almost equal. There is enough gun meat for everyone. And at the end of the weakened Chinese, they will finish off the mattresses and, according to the old pattern, in the new world war, they will remove all dividends, with a minimum of losses. They have already done this 2 times.
Secondly, American factories in China are a big problem for the United States. They cannot sell them and withdraw money, because then they themselves will have to compete with their former factories. Building something at home in the presence of these factories in the PRC is pointless, since its products will be uncompetitive compared to Chinese. These plants and factories are a problem for the USA.
Thirdly, all the main industrial, financial and densely populated areas and centers of China are on the coast or are reachable for a strike from the sea. Having huge superiority in the navy. The United States and its allies can shoot key objects of the Chinese economy and infrastructure without problems.
As far as I remember, mattresses in the USSR totaled only 100 key objects, the destruction of which would make the USSR incapable of resistance. I do not think that China has much more.
Well, one and a half billion Chinese on the other side of the US ocean are not dangerous. When controlling the ocean and coast with mattresses, the Chinese will not be able to transfer something serious to the United States. Incidentally, the huge land army of China is not afraid of mattresses.

[Odysseus]

They wrote everything correctly and beautifully. Only two remarks.
1) the PRC understands the need to eliminate the backlogs in the fleet, and now their main efforts are directed specifically at the fleet and the Strategic Missile Forces.
2) The USA itself is very unstable to the use of weapons of mass destruction. They are much more unstable than the PRC or than the USSR was, even more unstable than today's Russia.
The reasons are simple - modern American society is sealed with a dollar and nothing more and is a conglomerate of completely different and even hostile social, racial and national subcultures. If the dictatorship of the police state in the United States is at least slightly weakened (which is inevitable if nuclear weapons are used on objects in the USA), chaos will immediately begin.
So, it is enough for the PRC to have the guaranteed ability to deliver at least a hundred warheads in order to guarantee itself that the United States will not directly fight them.
Subversive work inside the People's Republic of China (on the model of the USSR) and that poisoning with neighbors you wrote about is much more dangerous.

[Alexey Sommer]

A good comment ..
You "+"
But in your logic the role of Russia is not taken into account.
We will not be pessimists.

[Altona]

All kinds of nomads and dehkans cannot be defeated. They want to fight with an army that has all the modern means of destruction, a huge number and a huge mobilization resource. And most importantly, why? To yourself be left without cheap sneakers, down jackets and all kinds of electronic gadgets?

[Amr]

How will they go to America? via Chukotka?)))

[Buffet]

As well as actually against Russia. Who knows how all sorts of diseases get to us. Or fires in the taiga.

[voyaka uh]

And a special secret powder for breaking road surfaces,
developed by the CIA, and special CIA additives for alcohol,
addictive to him. Sudden blinding of drivers
from space to cause fatal crashes on the roads - too
their business. You can go on and on ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Eeee.
Are you ironic?

[family tree]

Fantasy Lexus, in the continuation of the fantasies of Roman.
Roman, the extreme forest fire that extinguished, was due to the burning of logging residues under the overhead line. Bullshit is that bonfires in the forest can be burned only by digging a platform to clay. Yes, even if you fill it with water, just a little peat beneath it there is a chance to get a grassroots turning into a horseback, and this is the very thick Arctic fox.
And diseases, illnesses, yes. Bullshit is that this muck does not even depend on the wind rose, and in which direction it will move I suspect that where the population is denser, well, like the plague in the 16th century

[voyaka uh]

"the University of Cincinnati's new artificial intelligence system, for example, is
dealt with the American ace instructor on the simulator of air battles, without giving him
not a single chance, a modified AI on promising unmanned vehicles will become
a verdict even for the numerous Chinese Air Force "////

This is the most interesting piece of article. Actually developed software for UAV fighter aircraft.
What was considered recently impossible.

[Odysseus]

This is possible, but very difficult to implement. In practice, even an order of magnitude more simple drone drone program for the X-47 aircraft carriers was put on the back burner.

[voyaka uh]

The command of their Navy did not dare, although all the planned tests of the X-47 were successful.
At that time, sudden troubles appeared with the F-35C, which did not cling to the aerofinisher.
All F-18 replacement programs were in jeopardy.
"And then there's the drone on our heads!"

[Alexey Sommer]

Yes, I agree with you.
But I do not think that the United States has a monopoly here.

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

"the University of Cincinnati's new artificial intelligence system, for example, is
dealt with the American ace instructor on the simulator of air battles, without giving him
not a single chance, a modified AI on promising unmanned vehicles will become
a verdict even for the numerous Chinese Air Force "////

This is the most interesting piece of article. Actually developed software for UAV fighter aircraft.
What was considered recently impossible.

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In the PLA, they are stupid, they have never heard of electronic warfare, and they have bad multi-band radars. And then oops, Americans with smart drones. Well, straight "Terminator 5", only in the air, gnaws out Chinese and Russian fighters, offering them to play Chess Titans or Spyder first. And by the way, does a "smart" drone know for sure that a combat fighter is attacking, and not a cardboard fool?

[voyaka uh]

You, apparently, did not understand the meaning of the information.
The fighter drone is not smart, it has no intelligence. They throw him like a dog
on the enemy plane and say "face". And then he acts like a trained
shepherd dog. Trained in a narrow field. A shepherd is dumber than a man, but it is difficult to escape from it.
Speed ​​and focus on the task.

[Amr]

don’t explain)) it’s the Russian world))) it still won’t understand)))

[Altona]

don’t explain)) it’s the Russian world))) it still won’t understand))

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Do you have a more "advanced" world? In Polesie bogs, apparently raised? For your information, I served in Belarus and I know perfectly well what kind of "world" you have, on what it was brought up. In Belarus during the Soviet era, military units stood in rows, officers from Russia in batches married locals. Then a character like you appears and starts rubbing me in for the "peculiarities of the Polesie world."

[Odysseus]

Ahh, do not pay attention, it seems to be "Svidomo Litvin."
After the victory in the former Ukraine and its transformation into a zone of chaos, the Americans turned their main attention to Belarus / Kazakhstan / Armenia.
The old scheme is to prepare a "pro-European elite" (most often from former officials) who are lured with nishyachki in the form of a redistribution of property, and at the same time they prepare consumables for the "Maidans".
For Belarus, these are stupid people from young people who are told that they are not Russians, but "ancient Lithuanians" (analogue of "ancient ukrov"), the heirs of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (in the Ukraine of Kievan Rus), and they, of course, are also "ceevropeans" who are about to be taken into The EU and whose mission is to resist the horde of Russian barbarians ready to swallow the "Republic of Belarus".
In fact, this, of course, is a consumable biomaterial, but they will learn more about this later, but for now the Americans (through the Poles) are investing a lot of money in them.
Hence the activation of such clowns.

[Amr]

Yes, not our small-town world (farm) and crawl into your butts with amerikos whose keel is not going to be longer))) But what’s interesting is that only emigrants (children are relatives of pensioners) who settled here in 80-90-00 years Those Russians who are older, For Radiant For Belarus)))) And as a prayer they have, If only there was no war)) Us Belarusians (LitvinovPoleshukov) have less than 4 million left here ((And not for you Russians to tell us how to live here
And those officers were born children))) And they are shouting at stadiums - Long live Belarus))
And the Odessa House of Trade Unions was burned by fans of football clubs from the native Russian cities of Donetsk and Odessa))))

[Amr]

and it was not too lazy to punch from where)) And correct your dialect for "features ....." so our representatives of the 5th column said)) Are you not one of them?)))

[Amr]

Well, yes, he served. He was sitting in the Myshenka or Sitna, probably a RVS. But just to sit to serve your term (not to leave, disbanded, suitcase, train station))) we have a lot of your scatterings left either by drunks or craftsmen in production (such brakes ......) )

[Altona]

You, apparently, did not understand the meaning of the information.
The fighter drone is not smart, it has no intelligence. They throw him like a dog
on the enemy plane and say "face". And then he acts like a trained
shepherd dog.

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Okay, I didn't understand the "meaning of information". Then what does the "drone" represent? A weapon crammed with standard algorithms and multi-channel "vision"?

[voyaka uh]

Absolutely right! Its software is focused on a narrow task: intercepting an airplane, on
who will release him. But it will perform this task better than any ace.
1) There are no restrictions on overload,
2) the speed of decision-making (narrowly specialized!) Is thousands of times higher,
than the human brain
3) the ability to self-learn (independently "add" the program code "on the fly",
copying - and optimizing with incredible speed - the actions of the enemy).

I will again give a past example: a trained shepherd is not smarter than a person who attacks on the orders of the owner. But she is faster than a person and more focused on her narrow task - to grab by the hand and tumble down.

"standard algorithms" ///

Not really - algorithms are added and complicated - automatically - as you gain combat experience. Figuratively: if the UAV fought with Hartman, then the code "Hartman's style" will be added to its software, and if with Kozhedub, then the code (without the participation of the programmer) "Kozhedub's style" will appear. For the future.

[antivirus]

Do not discount other methods of exposure. For example, the intensification of national liberation movements in Tibet and the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, youth dissatisfaction in Hong Kong, etc. The attack on the Celestial Empire will be carried out in all possible directions, from the veiled discredit of the CCP in Chinese social networks to the outbreak of exotic diseases such as bird flu and atypical pneumonia, causing panic and blockade of whole areas.
In the mid-90s, I am going to change with my grandfather, a neighbor. He: "I came to the regional center during the war, they did not let me go home, they sent me to the bathhouse; I washed my clothes there, they fried my clothes, they gave me a token and bought a ticket with it."
There are always solutions to the problem.

[Operator]

Of the entire assortment of the Third US Compensation Strategy, the only truly breakthrough direction is artificial intelligence.

Here we go head to head with the USA - see "co-pilot" T-50.

[bubulus]

as if there were no news of successful battles against experienced aces in Russia, so it's too early to say anything

[NordUral]

Do not flatter yourself to either the Americans or us. AI has reached a fundamentally new level. And the main thing for us is not to be late for this.

[NordUral]

Given that the new system of artificial intelligence at the University of Cincinnati, for example, instantly dealt with the American ace instructor on an air combat simulator, without giving him a single chance, the improved AI on promising unmanned vehicles would be a sentence even for numerous Chinese air forces. So, as a result of the new generation arms race, America can get significant advantages on the battlefield.

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A very interesting extract from the note at the link above:

However, unlike the game version, where a supercomputer was involved, ALPHA runs on a standard PC.