Kuznetsov’s willingness to operate in Syria raises doubts

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Kuznetsov’s willingness to operate in Syria raises doubtsThe Minister of Defense officially confirmed what experts had long guessed about: the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov would be sent to the shores of Syria. Sources have already stated that the Kuznetsova air group will take part in attacking Syrian rebels. However, a number of circumstances indicate that this campaign does not look quite prepared.

The heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser (TAKR) "Admiral Kuznetsov" will head for the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said at a meeting of the board of the military department on Wednesday. “At present, the Russian naval grouping in the eastern part of the Mediterranean includes at least six warships and three to four supply vessels from all fleets. In order to increase the combat capabilities in the grouping, we plan to include in its composition a ship-based aircraft carrier group with the cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, TASS quotes him.



If you carefully follow the messages dedicated to the only Russian aircraft carrier and its wing, it becomes clear that the campaign announced by Shoigu was preparing at least since the end of last year. Moreover, there have already been numerous leaks about where the cruiser will go during combat service in the winter of 2016 / 2017 and what tasks it will perform.
Back in July 2016, a certain military-diplomatic source announced the upcoming fall of an aircraft carrier’s campaign with the aim of delivering “attacks on terrorist groups in the Syrian Arab Republic.” The cruiser was refurbished - but not quite ordinary. As the repair company officially stated, weapons the ship’s cellar was prepared to store new ammunition. On the whole, the ship was pretty modernized in order to prepare to base on its board a new type of aircraft - the MiG-29KR and MiG29KUB fighters (the corresponding plans were reported back in November 2015). In particular, a new ship flight support system was installed. aviation "Ilmen-11435" and additional communication modules. They also promised to join the air group and the new Ka-52K helicopters - the very ones that were planned to be based on the Mistral. On Thursday, the chief of naval aviation of the Navy, Major General Igor Kozhin, confirmed that the ship would set off on a long voyage to the Mediterranean Sea with full-time armament and full air wing.

It is important to note that the appearance on the Kuznetsovo MiG-29KR and MiG29KUB should - at least theoretically - significantly expand the range of combat use of the ship. Whereas so far the Su-33s used from the cruiser are mainly air defense fighters, MiGs are capable of carrying weapons that hit ground targets (for example, in Syria).

In parallel, since last year, pilot training for the 100th Separate Naval Aviation Regiment (OKIAP) recreated in December last year at the NITKA complex in Crimea and a similar complex in Yeysk was conducted fleet (SF). It was he who was handed the 24 latest MiG-29KR and MiG29KUB. A rare case - the Navy admits that these fighters are still being tested and will pass them until 2018 - however, a limited series of fighters will begin operation on an aircraft carrier before they are completed. This even then gave reason to believe that the presence of the air group in this composition is attached great importance, which means that it is facing important tasks, and soon.

And indeed - in the summer the ship began to be re-equipped with the air group. First, in July, the Navy announced that for the first time after a long hiatus, the Kuznetsov began to take on board deck aircraft from the other (279-th OKAAP) (which had flown from the ship for a long time). The first pair of 279 aircraft, one “big” (Su-33) and one “small” (Su-25UTG), landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier. The pilots of this unit also studied all summer at the NITKA complex. In August, the MiGs joined them - and this was the first such landing in stories the ship.

Thus, to date, as many as two air regiments and as many aircraft as it has never housed before have been prepared for basing on Kuznetsov - about five dozen (24 MiG, 14 Su-33 and several helicopters). At least, according to open sources and statements by the military. Let us omit the question of the extent to which all the machines are in good condition, for example, all of them are able to rise into the air and perform combat missions (which is never the case). Another question is much more important - in what condition are the personnel? How many pilots are there and how prepared are they?

Strictly speaking, the answer to this question is a military secret, but even from open sources and statements that are not directly related to the air group of specialists, some conclusions can be drawn. And these conclusions, as they say, are disappointing.

As already mentioned, we know from open sources that the 100-th regiment was recreated less than a year ago, in December of the 2015-th. We know that the pilots of the regiment began training, and not from the deck of the aircraft carrier, but on the simulator in Yeisk, from the spring of 2016, and the first landing on the aircraft carrier was carried out quite recently, in August. We know that by the middle of the 2000-x pilots of the 279-th regiment, with skills at least take off and sit down with Kuznetsov, there were no more than ten - and most of them were of pre-retirement age. We know that for two years Naval Aviation of the Navy has been trying intensively to prepare a whole group of inexperienced young pilots to work with the Kuznetsov. We also know that every pilot (even a high-class one), before being recognized as ready to perform a combat mission, must undergo a so-called KBP — a combat training course unique to each aircraft.

“The course of combat training consists of hundreds of exercises, which are divided into a number of programs. All this needs to be studied, to fly off the required number of flights, so that the pilot can be allowed to fight, - a senior retired Russian Air Force officer tells the newspaper VIEW. “In the short time that the 100 regiment existed, its pilots most likely could have been prepared at all qualitatively only for taking off from the deck and landing on it, and the pilots had yet to learn the rest. They probably do not even know how to use weapons. But only first-class pilots can be sent to a combat operation. These are years of preparation. In the past years, the passage of the full course (of the total number of the PCU) was secretly established for no more than three years. ”

Another source, related to the Naval Aviation Marine, told the newspaper VIEW that the aircraft carrier is unlikely to be able to perform a different task off the coast of Syria, except a purely symbolic one. “The 279 th regiment, even in good old times for aviation, was never in combat readiness. He wasn’t in constant readiness forces for a single day, he never sat in DSHs - these were duty forces capable of taking part in solving suddenly arising tasks. And I never even carried air defense duty, and now, at the stage of retraining for a new aircraft, they are putting it to war, ”the source is outraged.

Representatives of the veteran organization of the Crimean garrison, Saki Alexander Sannikov, also publicly expressed concerns about the training in the Crimea of ​​young pilots of carrier-based aviation. In a conversation with the “Military-Industrial Courier”, Sannikov suggested that the lack of proper attention from the commanders to the problems of NITKA (a training airline in Saki, Crimea) could lead Admiral Kuznetsov to go on a long hike with a truncated wing. “There are well-founded fears that the pilots of this regiment will not have time to go through all the necessary preparatory procedures by the exit of the ship,” he warned. Speaking about trainings in Saki, Sannikov indicated that they passed under the simplified program: the flights were performed with a touch of the deck, and the passes - without a hook on the cable of the aerofinisher, which did not allow to master the skills in full. “In addition, the test cycle was not fully conducted at the MiG-29KR and MiG-29KUBR,” he confirmed.

True, there is another point of view. Military expert Dmitry Litovkin believes that Russian pilots are quite ready for an air war in Syria. “The pilots are ready. This year, they flew on landfills from May to July. In addition, the pilots were trained on the MiG three-dimensional simulators in Moscow on Leningradsky Avenue. Realistic training on such simulators is provided by 3D technology, as well as the use of hydraulic devices to simulate the oscillations of an airplane cabin. They practiced landing, taking off from an aircraft carrier, refueling in the air. There is a very good team, a tough one is young, ”Litovkin told the newspaper LOOK.

It is necessary to make a reservation after all that flying on simulators will never replace real-life practice to a combat pilot. Especially since, as Litovkin admits, the personnel did not even train on the use of simulators, but they were sent to Syria, where real combat operations take place. Of course, even if, as a result, the pilots of the Kuznetsov air group take part in the operation in Syria, for them, in fact, this will be just a new proving ground - difficult and tense, but without real opposition from the enemy. Any participation in real hostilities - and who knows how the situation will develop in Syria? - turn unqualified pilots into an easy target.

But not only this is alarming. For the first time in its history, Russia is preparing to use its only aircraft carrier and its air group for its direct military purpose. Any professional will tell you how difficult it is to ensure the failure-free operation of dozens of aircraft in heavy combat use, recall the many tragic examples that occurred in similar cases with the main military power of the world for decades maintaining aircraft carriers - the United States. Nevertheless, the Ministry of Defense decided to send people to the area of ​​hostilities, who - we repeat, according to open information - certainly did not receive the necessary professional training. At a minimum, such doubts are valid. God forbid, but the risk of possible losses - even non-combat - with this approach increases many times.

It remains to understand exactly when the "Kuznetsov" will be off the coast of Syria.

As reported by TASS at the beginning of September, the commander of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy, Igor Kozhin, warned that the tests of the renewed Admiral Kuznetsov air group, more precisely, their main part, would be completed only by the end of this year. It follows from Kozhin’s recognition that the pilots will not be ready for combat sorties before December.

Usually the ships of the Northern Fleet set out on a long voyage just in December, since the polar night is set in the Arctic and it is difficult for the pilots to begin to recover the skills of similar flights over the sea in almost around the clock darkness. Therefore, for the winter of the only Russian aircraft carrier, it is desirable to get out much further south. There, pilots can improve their flying skills in more favorable conditions, and the ship is safer.

The previous seven combat services of "Admiral Kuznetsov" for the entire quarter-century history of this ship were built according to this scheme. It can be assumed that this time the ships will go from Murmansk in early December, at the same time the "main part" of the tests will be completed by January, and in January the first MiGs will be launched from its deck to attack the ISIL detachments *.

We wish them an equal number of takeoffs and landings.
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  1. +6
    24 September 2016 05: 45
    And where else to check the readiness of L / C, if not in combat conditions? The experience of using the Russian aerospace forces in Syria proves this! Even inevitable losses benefit the common cause!
    1. +6
      24 September 2016 16: 39
      Kuznetsov will "stand up" in the middle of the Mediterranean or something else will happen - what shall we do? And he is not needed there! Chasing a parody of AUG from the North for three dozen planes? It's funny!
      1. +6
        24 September 2016 19: 21
        Quote: Wiruz
        Drive a parody of AUG from the North for the sake of three dozen aircraft? It's ridiculous!

        Alexey, you're wrong! (You are LION!) laughing
        On business. Why can custodians and small-shavens call such a compound AUG, but we do not?
        Secondly, the main goal of the campaign is to maintain the airworthiness of the pilots of the Kuzi air group. And the delivery of "strikes" - well, that's how it is necessary: ​​they will be ready for combat use - they will. If they won't, then it didn't work out.
        Thirdly, it will become "funny" when our people get up on the wing, get comfortable with ship-based (at least 2 months) and begin to drive amers across the Mediterranean. If Kolya Yedush did such a thing on a poor 38 that the ama recognized the condition of our naval pilots, then I can imagine what modern fighters can do on a super-maneuverable MiG-35 or a cash 29KUB.
        Therefore, as they say in Odessa - "We will see!" Yes
        1. +5
          24 September 2016 20: 56
          On business. Why can custodians and small-shavens call such a compound AUG, but we do not?

          Because the French and British do not have as many problems with aircraft carriers as we do with Kuznetsov. His boiler turbine propulsion system is breathing. They have been promising to replace them for five years already, but their hands never reach.
          Because the French and British have normal modern escort ships. And we have? We have only Peter the Great! BOD pr.1155 can, in fact, only perform PLO functions, you can’t call them destroyers. Destroyers pr.956 generally contraindicated from the pier to sail.

          Excuse me, what about the MiG-35? Does he even exist? Or will it be? For a long time there was no news on it hi
        2. +1
          24 September 2016 23: 44
          You need to get into an American helicopter and fly between the "slides" in Afghanistan. The first time you watch two buckets. And I have experience with gliders. When "yours" will get up on the wing, will "theirs" sleep in silence?
          1. +9
            25 September 2016 01: 01
            Quote: Vz.58
            You need to get into an American helicopter and fly between the "slides" in Afghanistan. The first time you watch two buckets.

            And I flew more than once on our turntables between these slides in Afghanistan. No one ever needed a bucket. What is your passage, glider pilot?
    2. +1
      24 September 2016 23: 31
      Do you have a son there?
  2. +19
    24 September 2016 06: 08
    our "AUG-squadron" will go to the Mediterranean: "blacksmiths", a tug and a barge ... recourse
    1. +3
      24 September 2016 09: 08
      BOD Severomorsk yet.
    2. +19
      24 September 2016 12: 06
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      our "AUG-squadron" will go to the Mediterranean: "blacksmiths", a tug and a barge ...

      Hi, Jurich!
      Sarcasm is appropriate, but the truth of life is such that earlier, under the Union, * a tugboat and a barge * --- were permanently in Middle-earth. Now it is expensive, so they have to be dragged along for the duration of the task. This is a time.
      Secondly, a couple of escort ships will go with Kuzey. All this is called an avinos group. Without this, it’s impossible — all Kuzyu’s underwater Yankees and no less arrogant surface creatures can offend our Kuzyu.
      Thirdly, now is the generational change stage. So you need to put youth on the wing as soon as possible. And where is it better to do it than in the Mediterranean in winter, with normal HMU, with * natural * lighting!
      Fourth, phased learning, with the elimination of advanced and lagging. Take-off and landing, the use of weapons on brown targets, then in pairs to the database zone at altitudes of at least 5km to inspect the RBP ... Well, only then, the most prepared will go for military use for real purposes. At the same time, it is possible to provide colleagues from Khmeimeni, who will clean up the ZSU of barmalei and other stingered bearded men. (How else!)
      This is how new "centurions" will gain experience! At least that was the case in Soviet times. True, then Alifanov on the Yak-38 in Afghanistan started from the auto platform. And that was ...
      Therefore, from the bottom of my heart I wish our falcons of heaven a million per million and a soft, full-time landing on the deck of Kuzi.
      1. +2
        24 September 2016 15: 20
        Quite right, in order to learn how to swim, you first need to flop into the water, but the fact that the supposedly inexperienced in the war should be divided into four, the mediated war must be thought that the most experienced will go to the fighting, and continuity is not the last thing!
        1. +2
          24 September 2016 19: 01
          Boa kaa
          Yes, you are right, Alexander, you are right ... but AUG, as it seems differently, is painfully "scanty" we have .. in the combat zone, at least there should be a couple of modern destroyers with him (which do not exist). sad
          1. +5
            25 September 2016 14: 53
            "It is expensive now, so you have to carry them around with you while the task is being completed." But Mr. Alisher Usmanov calmly built a yacht, the price of which is not much lower than our aircraft carrier. And the maintenance costs are comparable. And by the way, the cost of the fleet of our oligarchs ... I think it approached the Navy. Isn't it time to sequester these gentlemen?
  3. +8
    24 September 2016 06: 20
    In order to judge the training of pilots, you must have the appropriate clearance, which the author of the article does not have, which he must admit honestly recognizes. I do not think that our command does not understand how to organize military service.
    1. +11
      24 September 2016 07: 19
      Quote: Dart2027
      In order to judge the training of pilots, you must have the appropriate clearance, which the author of the article does not have,

      Posted by: Politics The men sat in the evening for glasses of tea and came to the conclusion that everything was not so clear.
      1. 0
        7 October 2016 14: 09
        She is sitting. The fate of this.
  4. +5
    24 September 2016 06: 46
    Posted by: Politics

    It is strange that the author hid behind such a vague concept as the "Politics Department". Although everything is natural. Having written how bad everything is, it's a shame to put your name under the text.
  5. +7
    24 September 2016 07: 09
    If the author asked the question: "Is an aircraft carrier needed off the coast of Syria?", I would probably support him, because without it the VKS will cope with the tasks. In my opinion, the task for today "to look at people and to show themselves" is to continue their studies and running in conditions at least close to combat ones.
    1. +11
      24 September 2016 09: 13
      I wrote in some past topic.

      From a military point of view, Kuzyu will be closed by additional 4 Su-34 (which are available with trained pilots) and a couple of Dvinitsa-50 flights with bombs.

      However, the problem is different. VKS are actively gaining experience, writing complaints, developing methods, in general, doing extremely useful things, even moving away from politics.

      Navy aviation does not have this, but 2 has new types of equipment. They also need experience, methodology, and claims and requirements based on work on a long journey. Even outlawing the war. Just being on a long hike the Ka-52 experimental group and the new MiG Navy for aviation already provides a huge layer of useful information.

      That is, a hike is needed. And what's the point of freezing in the north? Bonus MiGs leave KABy, cast iron, Su patrol the area. Get the necessary experience. Although, again, from a military point of view, the presence of 4 Ducklings and a sufficient number of bombs at Khmemim will close Kuzya in terms of effectiveness.
  6. +1
    24 September 2016 07: 09
    "Kuzya" will still show itself ... To evil all "spiteful critics"!
  7. +1
    24 September 2016 07: 22
    In my opinion, such a ship should be constantly on alert, except for repair.
  8. +2
    24 September 2016 08: 39
    Assumptions are the mother of all punctures!
    Here the "department of politics" works hard and everything turns out, but in the Ministry of Defense they sit with a finger in their nose and do not do them. Pilots don't fly, ships don't float, and if they float and fly it's very bad. I think the "wate department" should study the experience of military service for gays & lesbians in the main military power in the world.
    I hope there are no such "sons of hawks" among our pilots as in the main military power, otherwise we really cannot do without an emergency and tragedy.
  9. +2
    24 September 2016 08: 55
    Yeah. Nobody has yet canceled the classical triad in the preparation of any specialist. Namely:
    1.Knowledge
    2. Skills
    3.Experience
    And if a specialist comes to serve with already acquired knowledge, then everything else needs to be "trained" And a miracle does not happen in a year, unfortunately.
    I would not like the author to be right in asserting that the flight personnel are still "damp" in terms of training. Otherwise, it’s just a gamble of the MO spies.
  10. +11
    24 September 2016 09: 04
    A sample of weapons is not created to vegetate at the base. In general, life on the principle of "one way out to sea - three years of repair" is time to stop. The enemy will not ask whether we are ready to defend ourselves or not, he will simply beat when he sees fit. Therefore, regardless of the opinion of the "Westerners", liberals, and other nasty rascals, the Ministry of Defense must decide for itself when and how the ship is ready to perform a combat mission, to do everything in order to raise real combat readiness in the shortest possible time, test weapons in real conditions. if for this you need to send it "somewhere", then you need to send it. At the same time, the quality of the repairs will be checked, so that if something happens again to draw conclusions about the state of affairs in the Navy.
    And while he reaches the eastern Mediterranean, the pilots of the time will have a car to work off takeoffs and landings. So there is nothing to dissolve the snot - the feathers are cleaned and forward, work soldier
    Standing at the base you won't learn anything at all request
    Personally, my opinion hi
  11. 0
    24 September 2016 09: 10
    One word, Trainer!
  12. +2
    24 September 2016 09: 38
    Such publications are doubtful; they know better what is and how at headquarters and on the ship.
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    1. +3
      25 September 2016 14: 11
      And that in Sevastopol a pier for Kuznetsov with a substation is already ready?
      Do you even imagine how much it consumes electricity even at the pier?
      Or do you propose to him again on the raid to "raid", on barrels, finishing off the steam and diesel generators remaining in the ranks?
      He has nothing to do at the Black Sea Fleet.
      The author is right only about one thing - the level of combat training of our "palubniks" is really low, in comparison with the Americans. BUT ... they have been successfully operating aircraft carriers for over 80 years. And they have the bulk of the "palubniks", and this is about 2000 trained pilots, young people - lieutenants with captains.
      Once upon a time, ours also have to start getting out of the "children's pants", takeoff and landing. And no "threads" with simulators will solve this problem ... one way - at sea, from the deck, on the move and in waves!
      Of course, it will be hard, but how else ... easy service is only for "parquet flooring"!
  14. +2
    24 September 2016 10: 45
    Whatever they write about "Kuznetsov" - we wish success to the pilots of the Russian Navy! soldier
  15. +3
    24 September 2016 10: 48
    Young pilots are young. The first year in the squadron was an engineer PrNK-54 (still Soviet times-90g) As far as I remember, after school they were trained in the centers and only then in the regiment. Moreover, even after the center, the quality of their training was not so hot. More than once, when the complex failed, they refused to fly, hitting all the systems (except for the digital computer) worked, in fact, it turned out the Su-17 M2 or M3. But experienced pilots (like my squadron commander, and not only) quite (including the training ground), they needed a raid. But the ship, not the airfield, is the time. Lack of experience in combat use (even at a range) is two and three and four and five. Inability to bomb + unfamiliar terrain can (and most likely lead) to very unpleasant situations. And the takeoff will not be a "naked" plane, but from a bc. In my opinion, a gamble from the next series of PR, how everything is fine in our army and we can do everything. As the saying goes, "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines"
    1. +1
      24 September 2016 14: 13
      Those. Kuzya should be standing against the wall? And never take off from it?
      1. +1
        24 September 2016 15: 27
        It’s probably better to sell it for scrap to the Chinese, there’s no ship, no problem!
        TAVK - you need to be proud that we have one, and our pilots are the best, not like star-striped and coalition candles, which are not lit, but which are popped into one place.
  16. +5
    24 September 2016 11: 41
    There is a good rule, you want to learn how to shoot, shoot.
    There is no better opportunity to work out the whole complex of measures for the activities of an aircraft carrier than the situation in Syria.
    And you have to be a sucker so as not to use it.
    Good luck to our!
  17. 0
    24 September 2016 12: 51
    Kuznetsov should not have problems with an air wing; they trained hard all the time with practicing combat use.
    Basmach is not ashamed of lying to you about young pilots?
    1. 0
      24 September 2016 19: 40
      Not ashamed, I had seen enough of them (as I wrote, in 1990, having come to the squadron as an engineer of the PrNK). But these were the flyers of the Soviet school, to which the current will be far away. And if you think that practicing combat use is taking off and landing and flying on a simulator, then you are very deeply mistaken.
      1. 0
        25 September 2016 10: 24
        Quote: basmach
        Not ashamed, I had seen enough of them (as I wrote, in 1990, when I came to the squadron as an engineer of the PrNK).

        So the lieutenants are all and always "not like" as old men come. You shouldn't look at them, but train them. Yes, and it seems to me that when you came to the squadron as a young engineer, the chief of the IAS regiment was also not delighted with you and looked unkind and probably used the "production" language. hi
  18. Cat
    +4
    24 September 2016 13: 36
    Strange inventions of the author of the article, where else to get practice on an aircraft carrier, except in the fight against an enemy who has no aviation and a developed air defense system, Kuznetsov goes there for practice, the author apparently suspects a conflict with the United States most likely, but the attack on an aircraft carrier is nuclear war, for the sake of basurman they won’t go for it, so the author is a panicist.
    1. +1
      24 September 2016 14: 10
      And if you rake in the heat with someone else's hands? A provocative strike by an "unknown" plane? Here they cannot figure out who the humanitarian convoy defeated, and with such a "setup" it will be even more so!
      1. 0
        24 September 2016 16: 18
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And if you rake in the heat with someone else's hands? A provocative strike by an "unknown" plane?

        The answer will still go to a known address.
  19. +6
    24 September 2016 14: 28
    I would like to remind you that the ship bears the name of Admiral Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov, the most respected naval commander of the last century among the sailors, and only a cheap and petty vulgar can call the ship "Kuzey". Have the honor, gentlemen, commentators.
    1. +1
      25 September 2016 10: 27
      Quote: Galleon
      I would like to remind you that the ship bears the name of Admiral Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov, the most respected naval commander of the last century among the sailors, and only a cheap and petty vulgar can call the ship "Kuzey". Have the honor, gentlemen, commentators.

      If the whole Federation Council calls it that, then do you think we have the whole Federation Council cheap and small vulgar?
      1. 0
        26 September 2016 13: 10
        Remembering the 90s ... in the North, the phrase "Kuzya" could have gotten a kick, especially in Vidyaevo and Severomorsk.
        Now everything can be ... times and customs are different.
  20. +3
    24 September 2016 16: 42
    In a nutshell, the author apparently believes that the pilots of the 100 Air Regiment will become truly prepared only when they reach retirement age. In general, this cry of Yaroslavna causes nothing but bewilderment. Conclusions need to be drawn from the training program of pilots and the number of flight hours, and not from the opinion of a pensioner, albeit a respected person.
  21. +2
    24 September 2016 18: 10
    Seven feet under the keel! And politicians, let them do politics wassat
  22. +2
    24 September 2016 18: 25
    Quote: basmach
    In my opinion, a gamble from the next series of PR, how everything is fine in our army and we can do everything. As the saying goes, "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines"

    Shame on you, shame! How to serve the Motherland well in the training regiment laughing And how real fighting - right into the bushes! Not ready, not able, so what? So let them answer the question: are Russian carriers needed or not! hi
    1. +1
      24 September 2016 19: 31
      Quote: fif21
      How good it is to serve the Motherland in the training regiment. And as real fighting — right into the bushes!

      I suppose it's a banter? am
      Since he knew many of 273 OKSHAB personally and more devoted to heaven people did not meet.
      This is * a piece of goods *, the best of the best, and there is no reason to doubt that they will fulfill a military order! Yes
  23. 0
    24 September 2016 19: 47
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    This is * a piece of goods *, the best of the best, and there is no reason to doubt that they will fulfill a military order!
    But "Basmach" doubts! For which he received "Bream" wassat
  24. +1
    25 September 2016 05: 45
    In the wars waged by Russia, there was little sense from the fleet. Always, the main burden of the conduct of hostilities fell on the land army. Therefore, it seems like a useless waste of funds to hike "Kuznetsov" in the Mediterranean Sea. But at the same time, it is better for the sailors to spend money on the campaign and study than any thieves on "fountain pens in diamonds". And the fact that accidents can be, so the army is such a harsh thing.
    1. +1
      25 September 2016 06: 02
      Quote: plebs
      But at the same time, it is better for the sailors to spend money on the campaign and study than any thieves on "fountain pens in diamonds".

      one does not interfere with the second.
  25. +1
    25 September 2016 09: 54
    But I wonder how much pensions will cost all this ... "event" for "daragih rasiyans"?
    1. 0
      25 September 2016 10: 34
      Quote: Gelos
      But I wonder how much pensions will cost all this ... "event" for "daragih rasiyans"?

      What is it to you, unhappiness of the Russians, what trouble? You are not paid a pension?
  26. +1
    25 September 2016 10: 06
    Quote: Wiruz
    On business. Why can custodians and small-shavens call such a compound AUG, but we do not?

    Because the French and British do not have as many problems with aircraft carriers as we do with Kuznetsov. His boiler turbine propulsion system is breathing. They have been promising to replace them for five years already, but their hands never reach.
    Because the French and British have normal modern escort ships. And we have? We have only Peter the Great! BOD pr.1155 can, in fact, only perform PLO functions, you can’t call them destroyers. Destroyers pr.956 generally contraindicated from the pier to sail.

    Excuse me, what about the MiG-35? Does he even exist? Or will it be? For a long time there was no news on it hi


    It's not true, they have problems with their ships. It's just that we have a habit of scolding "Kuznetsov" without studying the experience of operating such ships by "partners". Read "Charles de Gaulle - Ship Disaster":
    https://topwar.ru/27803-sharl-de-goll-korabl-kata
    strofa.html
  27. 0
    28 September 2016 21: 40
    I always admire the education and erudition of the "couch" experts, 90 out of 100 of which are from ships, only river trams were "alive", and the other 10 are in the pictures!
  28. +1
    29 September 2016 08: 12
    A ship, a ship, or something else or someone who is completely ready for anything is fundamentally impossible, the question of the ability to complete the task!

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