Karimov's legacy

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2 September officially announced the demise of the permanent 78-year-old Uzbek President Islam Karimov, who ruled the state for 26 years and actually established the monarchy - a tough authoritarian model of government with an unrestricted constitution, with powerful pressure from dissenting citizens and representatives of competing clans.

Наследие Каримова




In Uzbekistan, unlike its neighbors, the division into clans occurs according to the principle of fraternity, and not related ties. There is historical causes. Before the entry of Uzbek lands into the Russian Empire, there were 3 khanates: Kokand, Bukhara and Khiva. With the advent of Russia, the Kokand Khanate was abolished, and the other two received protectorate status. After the civil war, with the advent of Soviet power, the Turkestan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the Bukhara People’s Soviet Republic and the Khorezm People’s Soviet Republic were formed, which in 1924 merged into the Uzbek SSR.

Thus, the Uzbek people were divided into 5 groups that correspond to certain regions and differ ethnoculturally from each other: Fergana Valley; Tashkent oasis; Samarkand, Djizak and Bukhara regions; Kashkadarya and Surkhandarya regions; Khorezm oasis. Some experts single out 10 clans, dividing, for example, the Ferghana clan into “Namangan”, “Andijan” and actually “Fergana” ones. One way or another, each of the 5-10 areas has its own political elite.

Karimov, being a native of Samarkand, nevertheless, for a long time did not enjoy the special support of his native clan. On the contrary, he successfully collaborated with other factions, which in the 1989 year allowed him to take the chair of the first secretary of the Communist Party Central Committee as a compromise figure, which Karimov remained until the end of his days, which, however, did not prevent the president from periodically and defiantly punishing the arrogant ".



Uzbekistan, being the most populated state of Central Asia with a population of 32 of a million people, having a strategically key location in the region, during the years of independence turned into one of the toughest regimes on the planet and slipped into the abyss of corruption and cronyism, which forces the active part of society to leave . However, the need to obtain an exit visa does not allow anyone to leave. The government uses the refusal to issue visas as a means of punishing dissidents. In prisons, thousands of political prisoners are serving sentences — the largest number in the CIS. Human Rights Watch talks about more than 12000 prisoners. Forced psychiatric treatment is practiced. In recent years, a number of human rights defenders have become victims of punitive psychiatry. Torture, extrajudicial executions and forced labor are widespread when people are sent to collect cotton every autumn, which is one of the country's main export items, while not only those in penitentiaries but also ordinary people, such as university students, collect. The work of minors is also ubiquitous.

The extensive apparatus of coercion provides absolute control over the life of the people, and here, in addition to the numerous apparatus of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the National Security Service and the Prosecutor’s Office, the local communities play an active role, the traditional local government, where under the guidance of an elected committee and chairman the outside world. Again, the mahalla is engaged in transporting people to pick cotton. The authorities are actively interacting with authorities from the community to strengthen their influence. In fact, the chairman of the makhalla works as a freelance officer, informing them about what is happening in the territory under his control.

Pervasive corruption is another integral part of life in Uzbekistan, long and firmly on the hit list for this indicator, adjacent to such territorial entities as Eritrea and Zimbabwe. In its latest annual perception rating of corruption, the international organization Transparency International gave Uzbekistan 153 a place from 167, giving it 19 points from 100 possible. This is the penultimate result in the post-Soviet space, the situation is only slightly worse in Turkmenistan (18). The remaining neighbors in the region, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, scored 26, 28, 28 points, respectively, taking 136 and 123 positions.



The well-known events in Andijan that took place on 13 in May on 2005, when the rebels seized local authorities and armored equipment and snipers were used to quell the unrest, clearly showed the state of affairs in the country. Then (unofficial data) over 1000 people died.

Multiple political, social, and economic problems create fertile soil for the establishment of radical Islam. The Salafi-Wahhabi teachings came to Central Asia back in the 1970-s with the “missionaries” from abroad. The second factor was the introduction of a limited contingent of Soviet troops into Afghanistan, which resulted in an increase in the number of contacts between the Uzbek population and the Afghan population, and geographical proximity and a large diaspora of Uzbeks, historically living in the north of Afghanistan, fixed the result. Later, with the capture of the Taliban authorities in Kabul and the civil war in Tajikistan, the position of the radicals increased significantly. It is also important that there are a number of religious Islamic buildings in Uzbekistan, such as the Gur-Emir mausoleum in Samarkand, where the great conqueror Amir Timur rests, or the necropolis of Shahi Zinda, where the grave of Kusama ibn Abbas, the cousin of the prophet Muhammad, is located brought Islam to the local region.

The list of terrorist organizations based in the country is quite wide: Akramiya, Hizb un-Nusrat, Jamaat Tabligh, Lashkar-Taiba, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), etc. The largest the threat comes from the last two. In the autumn, 2014 joined the Islamic State, and Hizb ut-Tahrir, which consists of more than a million people, is very popular in Uzbekistan and has an extensive network of cells in the Middle East, North Africa, South and Southeast Asia. Europe, CIS.

These organizations pose a serious threat to our state, especially given the fact that in the territory of the Russian Federation, according to official data, there are at least 2 millions of citizens of Uzbekistan. This is the largest foreign diaspora. Back in the 2012-2013 years in the Crimea, under the Ukrainian government, Hizb ut-Tahrir organized thousands of meetings, actively recruited the Crimean Tatars for the Syrian war. Of course, the Russian Crimea, along with the regions of the Volga region and the Caucasus, major cities is one of the key goals of extremists, and with the prevalence of labor migrants from Uzbekistan in all regions, the field of work for the special services is truly enormous. Since the ban on Hizb ut-Tahrir 13 in Russia, years ago, a number of lawsuits over its members took place.

Today, up to several thousand Uzbeks are fighting for the idea of ​​a world caliphate in the ranks of the Islamic State (forbidden in the Russian Federation) and other lesser-known groups, like Tawhid Wal-Jihad and Imam Bukhari, which are almost entirely Uzbek militants.

The predominance of young people in the age-sex pyramid of Uzbekistan, coupled with not the best internal situation, gives the terrorist underground a steady influx of young people. Indeed, since 1991, the population has grown from 21 to 32 million people, and the average age is 27 years.

There is ample evidence that the authorities are trying to reduce the birth rate and control population growth through the forced sterilization of women who have given birth by performing a hysterectomy, that is, removing the uterus, or implanting a spiral. Doctors are given a sterilization plan, the failure of which, if the number of newborns is higher than the estimated, may be followed by sanctions.

The inter-ethnic issue in Uzbekistan is acute. Despite the fact that there are dozens of peoples practicing the most diverse religions on its land, we can confidently say that nationalism is cultivated here at the state level. Uzbeks make up over 80% of the population, and their share is growing at the expense of higher birth rates and a decrease in the number of many national minorities. The Russian minority suffered most of all, having declined in 25 years from more than 1,6 million to about 800 thousand. The Uzbeks have the most difficult relations with the Kyrgyz: the conflict of peoples in the border areas has been smoldering since 1990, and the last outbreak of violence in the city of Osh has killed 2000 people.

The beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and its subsequent occupation by the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) under the supremacy of the United States exacerbated the problem of drug production and drug trafficking. If this business had a rigid framework under the Taliban government, after 2001, the production of narcotic drugs increased 40 times. Today, the “northern route” of transit of the main Afghan export product passes through Central Asia to Russia and Europe, and the notorious Fergana Valley has turned into a staging post along this route. The Afghan-Uzbek border with a length of 137 kilometers is considered one of the most fortified in the world, but this is compensated for by the poorly guarded border of Afghanistan and Tajikistan, through which most of the goods pass. On the part of Turkmenistan, the situation is no better. Moreover, many facts indicate that the highest strata of Turkmenistan and Tajikistan are involved in transit. In addition to the drug mafia, terrorist groups, in large numbers represented again in the Fergana Valley, most of which is occupied by Uzbekistan, are earning on the “northern route”.

The acute shortage of fresh water can be considered a problem №2 (after corruption) for Uzbekistan. The prerequisites were created under the USSR, when in the 1960-ies an active abstraction of water began to irrigate fields from the Amu Darya and Syr Darya rivers, which caused the Aral Sea to dry out and turned many lands suitable for agriculture into salt marshes. Uzbekistan on water is critically dependent on Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. The fact is that most of the rivers in the region originate in the mountains, so the main hydroelectric power plants, reservoirs and reservoirs are located in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, which allows them to regulate the flow of water for downstream countries. The “water issue” significantly worsened 5 years ago, with the start of construction by Tajikistan of the Rogun hydropower plant, the dam of which will be the highest in the world (335 meters). In case of its commissioning, heavy damage will be inflicted on Uzbekistan. Kyrgyzstan has similar but more modest plans to expand the national grid.



All the problems and contradictions of Uzbekistan and neighboring countries are especially strongly intertwined in the Fergana Valley, or the “valley of contention”, as it is often called. The fertile valley, which has rich deposits of minerals, stands out sharply against the background of mountains and arid plains that are prevalent in Central Asia. It is a mountainous enclave with a high population density and diverse ethnic composition, divided between Uzbekistan (Fergana, Namangan, Andijan regions), Kyrgyzstan (Osh, Jalal-Abad, Batken) and Tajikistan (Sogd). It turns out that the valley, remote from the capitals and surrounded by mountains, is capable of exerting a powerful influence on these states, but is itself dependent on each of them, in connection with which the drug mafia and international terrorism have been strengthened here for a long time and firmly.



The legacy left by Karimov is very heavy. The many problems that have emerged during the period of independence of this state, all the more strongly affect its viability. Internal contradictions, not the best relations with neighbors, the passivity of the authorities on many issues, or, conversely, inadequately harsh treatment of them, the beyond-the-limit level of corruption, the growing lack of fresh water, the threat from Islamic fundamentalists - this is what can turn Uzbekistan into another point of instability near our borders. Whether the elites together with the new president can even keep the situation under control is an open question.
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  1. +9
    24 September 2016 06: 11
    "The list of terrorist organizations based in the country is quite wide: Akramia, Hizb un-Nusrat, Jamaat Tablig, Lashkare-Taiba, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), etc." . With all due respect to the author of the article, this paragraph contradicts himself. That he has a total authoritarian regime, the dominance of the SBU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, other special services, makhallas control everything and everyone, I forgot to mention the mosques, there are also terrorist bases!
    1. +5
      24 September 2016 10: 16
      The author is 99% right, while the NSS and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are not involved in many other issues.
    2. +1
      25 September 2016 21: 04
      Quote: andrewkor
      .That he has a total authoritarian regime, the dominance of the SBU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, other special services, the makhallas control everything and everything, he forgot to mention the mosques, there are terrorist bases right there!

      And the author has "forgotten" the dominance of all kinds of non-governmental, humanitarian and environmental organizations funded by the State Department and various "FUNDS"! Rocking of the Vostok boat (middle and near), playing the Muslim "card" to heat up tensions in the world, and successful trade in its weapons, has been conducted by the SGA a long time ago.
  2. +10
    24 September 2016 06: 54
    The Russian minority suffered the most, Of course, what persecution was called robes, occupiers, we spent so much time raising these savages from the bucket, and they managed to slide back.
    1. +5
      25 September 2016 15: 08
      Danil Larionov Yesterday, 06:54
      The Russian minority suffered the most, Of course, what persecution was called robes, occupiers, we spent so much time raising these savages from the bucket, and they managed to slide back.

      Why are the most illiterate .. so .. so underdeveloped? .. And why does such an illiterate commentary in all respects get advantages? I feel sorry for Russia .. But you still have a chance. When you remove all this foam and "imperialism", then the real revival will take place. Because Russia has always been strong, first of all, by its spirituality. And now I see B..Y..D..L..O ..
      1. +2
        25 September 2016 20: 09
        Dear, you are offended by Larionov's harsh words, but why are you insulting the whole of RUSSIA? If you do not like the comment, reply to the author and justify. Otherwise, in your words you will only encourage "imperialism"
        And Larionov was offended that our compatriots were called: occupiers. What occupiers are we when Russians, like others, worked for the prosperity of Uzbekistan
      2. +1
        25 September 2016 21: 13
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        . And now I see B..Y..D..L..O ..

        By writing this comment, you yourself turned into HIM!
        1. +1
          26 September 2016 17: 21
          If this is all that you can tell me, then I believe that continuing the polemic is pointless.
          1. 0
            26 September 2016 18: 09
            We have a similar opinion about YOU. Live at home, do not come to the Russian Federation, from which you separated, whose population you do not respect.
  3. +6
    24 September 2016 07: 09
    the author of this article seems to be working part-time in the Fergana agency or elsewhere where they pay well in the well ...
    whines like a shame
    1. +3
      24 September 2016 20: 56
      There are bai and farmers, this is the main meaning of power in Uzbekistan.
      In the Samarkand region, mainly Tajiks live, who are on the counter with the Uzbeks, considering them to be nerds.

      So, the influence of the regional elites, if they are not the heirs of the emirs, is insignificant and temporary.
  4. +7
    24 September 2016 07: 19
    Very slippery subject. Frankly, I do not presume to comment on this. But with regard to Russians and Russian-speakers, we can say for sure - when will we (start) protect their rights and not only in Uzbekistan?
    1. +5
      24 September 2016 07: 23
      when will we (start) protect their rights and not only in Uzbekistan? Yes, never in the Baltics, our position is not citizenship and our government does not care.
      1. +5
        24 September 2016 08: 34
        "... in the Baltics, our state is not citizens, but our government does not care."
        Yes, and in Russia it does not really care, judging by what is happening in medicine, pharmacology, education ... And our elite, the oligarchic existing state of affairs, in our former Central Asia, is quite satisfied, respectively, by the "journalistic community" too - "calm, smooth and God's grace. "
      2. +4
        25 September 2016 15: 02
        Danil Larionov Yesterday, 07:23 ↑
        when will we (start) protect their rights and not only in Uzbekistan? Yes, never in the Baltics, our position is not citizenship and our government does not care.

        At least 5 errors, just a couple of sentences .. I’m even afraid to imagine how many errors can occur in politics if people like him begin to determine it ..
        Hello Unified State Examination ..)
    2. +6
      24 September 2016 10: 30
      There are absolutely nothing Russians left in Uzbekistan. Now the last are on the road. So a little late with protection.
      1. +7
        24 September 2016 18: 36
        Quote: Ustrushan
        There are absolutely nothing Russians left in Uzbekistan. Now the last are on the road.


        I agree completely. The article says that there are about 800 thousand Russians left - this is far from the case. I don’t know the exact data, but much less. Himself recently left there. Somehow, on a weekend, I went to the clothing market Abu Sokhiy in Tashkent and for the sake of interest decided to figure out how many Russians were meeting, so I counted less than 2 dozen in more than one hour, and this market is crowded, who knows from there. Citizens of Uzbekistan are considered even those Russians who have long left and have Russian citizenship.
        1. +2
          24 September 2016 22: 27
          The best defense of Russians in Uzbekistan is to evacuate them to Russia.

          After Karimov’s death, the new government will continue to tighten the nuts until it breaks the thread.
        2. +1
          25 September 2016 14: 59
          I don’t know the exact data, but much less

          That's how you learn, and write. And infa from the category - I have not watched this film, but I think ..
          You walk in the center of Tashkent in the evening, be surprised ..)
          1. 0
            25 September 2016 21: 24
            Quote: Razvedka_Boem
            And infa from the category - I have not watched this film, but I think ..
            You walk in the center of Tashkent in the evening, be surprised.

            And you should go around TashAPO, where IL-76 and planes (wings) for the AN-124 (Ruslan) were once produced! Where are they? That is the whole answer. And writing articles for grandmas is a bad omen. Many in the history of the world have seen this!
            1. +4
              25 September 2016 22: 28
              And you should go around TashAPO, where IL-76 and planes (wings) for the AN-124 (Ruslan) were once produced!


              Hmm ... firstly, not TashAPO, but TAPOiCh (Tashkent Aviation Production Association named after Chkalov). Okay - let's explain on the fingers.

              What happened to ZIL? Do not tell me the case? And with AZLK? Okay, this is the auto industry - but don’t you tell me what happened to the Saratov Aviation Plant? Also unaware?

              Well, we will understand - ZIL, development for residential quarters and an industrial park. A bit - the auto industry.

              AZLK just died.

              Saratov Aircraft Plant - the same picture. Moreover, the plant ceased to accompany the flying Yak 42.

              Why? A bunch of reasons - logistics are limping, expensive land, raiding, etc. etc.

              And so is the logistics - can you imagine what the "logistical shoulder" is between central Russia and Uzbekistan? To hell with geography, you just thought about the borders between countries? The land is expensive - yes, the 84th plant in Tashkent was built up with city blocks. Raiding - no, the main sites were re-profiled for the auto industry, it is, alas and oh, more profitable than waiting once every hundred years for an order for the An 124 wing = which, for your information, is no longer issued = or on IL 76 = which is now, for your information, produced in Ulyanovsk =.

              What did you even want to say in your post? What did you want to prove? Or it was a cry of the soul - yes, imagine, and I, and many residents of Tashkent, if not paradoxically, harbor the soul when we see on the site of the pedestal with the 76th, a new wide and beautiful avenue and new automotive manufacturing buildings... But what could have been done, can you say ?! Only - really, without the "cries of the soul"?
            2. 0
              26 September 2016 17: 24
              You have already been answered, in the comment below. With the collapse of the USSR, communication with the enterprises related to them was lost. Also, it was just a very difficult time. And what does it mean
              That's the whole answer

              This is not an answer, or even half the answer.
          2. +2
            25 September 2016 23: 30
            You, dear, like some of you like here, are called upon to provide the image of Uzbekistan in Internet resources. Am I wrong? Do you get paid for it and in what rank? Express your thoughts too competently, as taught. In Russian, practically without errors, write and ...
            1. +2
              26 September 2016 08: 39
              You dear, like some like you here,


              *)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Yes, you know. I go through a separate list in Ministry of Truth Republic of Uzbekistan. I get loot in an envelope, exactly one hundred thousand million tugriks per post. To take away, really, it’s problematic all this breakthrough of the dough ... *))) = I roll with laughter = ....
            2. +2
              26 September 2016 08: 42
              to provide the image of Uzbekistan in Internet resources. Am I wrong?


              And you respected, and some of you like, the State Department's "White Regional Committee" pays to embroil close neighbors in the vastness of Eurasia, isn't it? *)))
              1. +1
                26 September 2016 13: 25
                Quote: de_monSher
                pays the State Department "White Regional Committee" to quarrel close neighbors in the vastness of Eurasia, right? *)))


                And where did you see in my comments the intention to quarrel close neighbors in the vastness of Eurasia. I am writing what I think and what I really came across, but maybe someone doesn’t like the statements, but everyone has their own points of view and views on different things. I myself do not agree with many statements here, just like you, especially where you openly insult Uzbekistan and its people, just do not pay attention to this, I assure you of such a minority in Russia.
                1. +1
                  26 September 2016 14: 28
                  And where did you see in my comments the intention to quarrel close neighbors in the vastness of Eurasia.


                  Sorry, I just felt so funny when you wrote about the payment of my "labor" that I could not stand it, and wrote this post ... *)))

                  As for the majority of Russians, in general, and Russians — in particular, I know everything perfectly — I don’t sit as if pinned up in one place, I have a lot of friends in other countries, relatives in the same Russia ... *)

                  Just everyday and “couch” nationalism is annoying.

                  PS: By the way, it is quite possible Phosgene, just the same, there is a trollik on the salary ... *) Or maybe just a bot ... *))
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2016 15: 28
                    Sorry, I just felt so funny when you wrote about the payment of my "labor" that I could not stand it, and wrote this post ... *)))

                    Yes, it was just a joke, then I forgot to insert a smiley for clarity laughing
            3. +1
              26 September 2016 15: 37
              In Russian, practically without errors, write and ...


              My native languages, two = in order of use = - Russian and Uzbek. I think, most often, in Russian. And there are a lot of such Uzbeks in Uzbekistan ... *) What to do, "difficult childhood" - Father, a career officer of the Soviet Army, I grew up in all the far back streets of the former USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries ... *)
              1. 0
                26 September 2016 16: 08
                Just everyday and “couch” nationalism is annoying.

                Well, at the expense of this, I’ll tell you so - different people come here (site), there are such characters. With them, when it’s boring to discuss, it’s mainly either young jerks that they don’t see beyond the nearest Mac Donalds, or terry nationalists. And so here the comrades from Israel like to clash with them.
            4. +1
              26 September 2016 17: 31
              Do you get paid for it and in what rank? Express your thoughts too competently, as taught. In Russian, practically without errors, write and ...

              Smiled .. I would say that it’s even funny if it weren’t so sad. The person who speaks the correct Russian is suspicious ..)
              For your information, knowledge of Russian is welcome and helps career and in general in life. At the same time, those successful Russian-speakers, and these are not only Russians, but also Koreans, Tatars, Jews who work and make money with us, know Uzbek. Because without this, things will not go. And many lived here with us, not bothering to study it, although living here, they could show elementary respect for their neighbors.
              And in Russia, how many of you know Tatar for example, or will be able to communicate with the Yakut or Evenki in its language?
      2. +1
        24 September 2016 21: 06
        Now the last are on the road.


        Well, you are a lot to "fill in", dear ... *) Here's to you, I paid attention, if only to write something, if only a word - you are in this, with the "author" of this article, it is very similar, just the author also suffers graphomania ... *)
        1. +2
          25 September 2016 21: 35
          As I wrote earlier, I have many acquaintances and friends in Central Asia. 90% of Russians (including Ukrainians, Koreans) began to ask if I could help if they moved to Russia. So, is it not for me to "fill in"? dear de_mon Sher.
          1. 0
            26 September 2016 10: 46
            Guys, stop fighting! You dog each other, who offended whom, you need to start cooperating. Create there about the Russian government, which will be aimed at cooperation with Russia. If we miss this moment, we will get a new "Ukraine", only with a Central Asian flavor. Nah *** we need it ?!
            You can start with the military structures, completely kick the Americans out of there, tie up the Uzbek military at the RF Ministry of Defense, conduct joint exercises, purge the most thieving officials through the security forces, and give the people of Uzbekistan the opportunity to work normally. Corruption cannot be eradicated there, but it can be brought under tight control. Why not take advantage of the Singaporean experience? In no case should we liberalize, not carry out "democracy", the people will not understand, a tough policy is needed.
            1. +1
              26 September 2016 12: 43
              You can start with military structures, completely squander the Americans out of there, tie up the Uzbek military in the Russian Defense Ministry, conduct joint exercises, and through the security forces carry out the purges of the most agile officials,


              Hmyk ... we don't have Americans, and we don't smell like them. There is no smell of liberalism in Uzbekistan either. No "colors", "levolutions" are even foreseen. Control and ummm ... "vigilance" here is already the most severe, even in comparison with Belarus and Russia - nah we don't need any religious fanatics there. Well, steal ... they steal, as elsewhere in the world - no one has yet been able to come up with effective mechanisms to combat this phenomenon ...

              Like that...
            2. 0
              26 September 2016 17: 36
              We don’t have any Amer. Although when they were, the specialists conducted exercises with them, and if at the beginning of the exercises they giggled and laughed, then in the end they were very serious ..)
              Contacts between Moscow Oblast and Russia, if they do, do not advertise.
            3. 0
              26 September 2016 18: 14
              You don’t need to give such advice, they are harmful to Russia. Such as you until recently worked with Ukraine, and as a result, Maidan, debts that Ukraine does not want to pay off and military orders that Ukraine does not fulfill, and production at domestic enterprises is not established, because such as you, tried to feed Ukraine ... How many wolves do not feed, it still looks into the forest. They were fed, trained, improved in the USSR for 70 years, often to the detriment of the RSFSR, and in the end they got pogroms of the Russian population .... Enough, tired of stepping on this rake.
    3. +2
      25 September 2016 20: 21
      You are right: it is difficult to comment on such a slippery topic, but the question is, when will we begin to defend our compatriots? MOST IMPORTANT WHEN AND RUSSIA WILL PROTECT RESPONSIBILITIES?
      Amerikosy quickly respond to a threat to their compatriots. We should not copy Uncle Sam like macaques, but we MUST be mindful of our compatriots!
  5. +16
    24 September 2016 07: 29
    The well-known events in Andijan that took place on 13 in May on 2005, when the rebels seized local authorities and armored equipment and snipers were used to quell the unrest, clearly showed the state of affairs in the country. Then (unofficial data) over 1000 people died.

    Then there was an attempt to raise a rebellion by external forces and it was harshly suppressed. If Islam Abduganievich had not done this, then it would have been worse than now in Syria.
    The list of terrorist organizations based in the country is quite wide: Akramiya, Hizb un-Nusrat, Jamaat Tablig, Lashkar-Taiba, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), etc.

    The punishment for terrorism or communication with such groups is very severe and with them on the territory of Uzbekistan, at the moment, simply does not exist.
    There is ample evidence that the authorities are trying to reduce the birth rate and control population growth through the forced sterilization of women who have given birth by performing a hysterectomy, that is, removing the uterus, or implanting a spiral. Doctors are given a sterilization plan, the failure of which, if the number of newborns is higher than the estimated, may be followed by sanctions.

    I don’t know what the author smoked, but with a dope it’s time for him to tie. To write such nonsense ..
    The Uzbeks have the most difficult relations with the Kyrgyz: the conflict of peoples in the border regions has been smoldering since 1990, and the latest outbreak of violence in the city of Osh killed 2000 people.

    Kyrgyzs slaughtered Uzbeks, then in the territory of Andijan region, Uzbekistan organized refugee camps, about 100 thousand people crossed the border, or rather, Uzbekistan opened a border for them. That conflict was inspired by external forces, in the hope that Islam Abduganievich would order the invasion of Kyrgyzstan. The provocation failed.
    The article is absolutely incompetent, I think the editors should be more attentive to their work.
    1. +3
      24 September 2016 09: 53
      Yes, an article with claims to knowledge of the subject, but the student "was absent from the lecture" and wrote the article using the Internet, or rather snatched information from various sources. My result is a failure (due to lack of knowledge of the subject and "Internet plagiarism").
    2. 0
      26 September 2016 12: 56
      sterilization of women giving birth by hysterectomy, i.e. removal of the uterus


      By the way, and by the way - it was the case. With the filing of WHO, in the early 2000s, this business was practiced. And moreover, it was not the spiral that was implanted = where did the author dig up information about such grandmother's methods of contraception? = But they did it hysterectomy, for any negative indication = any minor bleeding, tear, etc. = = by pressing on women in labor and their relatives so that they sign all the papers and agree to the operation. He and his wife are ex, with difficulty fought off such doctors - they were on duty at the ward of her friend Natasha, when they tried to chop off her uterus.
      1. 0
        26 September 2016 17: 39
        I had a son at the very beginning of 2000, if my wife tried to do something like this, they would have broken everyone’s hands. Honestly, I have not heard about this.
        1. 0
          26 September 2016 17: 55
          if they tried to do something like this to my wife, they would break everyone’s hands.


          My wife and I then lost a child - we were very worried, and therefore we were biting at Natasha like two wolves - in general, horror, a young woman, and they push such an operation ...

          And in the outback, the only way they practiced it. Squatted on the ears of not very literate women, and really - tried to streamline these operations. And, most interestingly, it was a World Health Organization program. Through the UN, money was transferred - by type, stabilization of the demographic situation.
  6. +8
    24 September 2016 07: 34
    Karimov’s legacy is millions of Uzbeks capturing Russian cities, they flashed daily in the criminal news. As a result of the fact that the majority of Tajik Uzbeks are illiterate, it will be extremely easy for them to impose any religious nonsense
  7. +6
    24 September 2016 07: 59
    If Karimov had not kept everyone in check, then these bays would have long been biting each other, attracting “fighters” from the same ISIS and a hedgehog with them, and we would get another headache near our borders ..
    1. 0
      25 September 2016 20: 31
      Quite right: without Karimov there would have long been a wild mess there. Everyone knows that every "pie" has squars: there is one who wants to snatch someone else's. And if such "hotelers" are supported by outside forces then .... NIGHTMARE
  8. +3
    24 September 2016 08: 11
    Author, tried to write a school essay on a free topic? *) In general, it turns out that way. Score - 2/2, for spelling and knowledge of the subject ... *))

    The author, to put it mildly, is a layman - one mention of the "Bukhara Khanate" is worth what ... *) And what about "national contradictions", in general, everything is masterpiece ... *)
  9. +5
    24 September 2016 08: 19
    I do not understand, the author praises Karimov, or condemns? Only, it seems to me that if there hadn’t been Karimov, there would have been a second Afghanistan, or Libya. Rigid rules? Of course. Only the people there understand only brute force. Just give them slack-devour.
    1. +4
      24 September 2016 09: 31
      Uzbeks milked Russia well (remember the cotton business) Karimov also participated there, but got out .. Money and gold were taken out by centners! The East is a delicate matter .. Now the gastrobayters are smelly, but before they went to the Volga and their tribe sat in taverns ... And we pulled the country into space! hi
      1. +9
        24 September 2016 10: 14
        The bulk of the Uzbeks-dikhkans have always been rather poor. They did not ride on any Volga and the word "tavern" was not even heard. And some "beks" really drive around on modern "Volga" cars even now, although if they go to taverns, they just have to see what it is. Kabaks are not in their culture. Although many do drink, but in chai-khans.
        1. +2
          24 September 2016 21: 17
          Tavern is not in their culture. Although many drink, but in tea khans.


          Our food culture has always been and remains at such a height that, for example, in Russia, one can only dream of ... *) they eat and drink not only in your mysterious "tea-khans" ... *))))
          1. +2
            24 September 2016 22: 00
            The Uzbek food culture is mutton fat with rice, hands from a common bowl, interspersed with flies.
            Bodybuilders: Damn am
            1. +3
              24 September 2016 22: 29
              Yes, with such heavy ones as this operator, no Eurasian Union would want to build

              Maybe that's why the Uzbeks are not in a hurry to come to us?
              1. +1
                24 September 2016 23: 16
                Yes, with such heavy ones as this operator, no Eurasian Union would want to build


                Nothing wrong, neighbor ... this dude The operator, generally a wild understanding of such things as - ethnogenesis, cultural studies, linguistics. He has such a mess in his head with all this that in the last discussion, I only tried to bring order to this cerebral confusion in the intervals between fits of laughter - at least somehow, with mocking comments. In the end, he could not stand it anymore, he invited him to take the position of the theory of creationism - to which he gave the quite expected "stand", like - "we "scientists" it is not appropriate to mix amino acids with cherubs! "... *))
            2. +2
              24 September 2016 22: 56
              The Uzbek food culture is mutton fat with rice, hands from a common bowl, interspersed with flies.


              Your personal sexual gastronomic fantasies mixed with flies, leave yourself - Uzbeks, they do not touch, definitely ... *)))

              Normal people, they know what they are talking about and say only what they know ... *))) Judging by my observations, you are not one of those ... *)

              PS: As for "eating with your hands", this is a very difficult vesch, akin to art - for example, I could not learn it ... *)
          2. 0
            25 September 2016 21: 47
            Dear de_mon Sher, I always liked the cuisine in Uzbekistan. First of all, I liked the fact that there were various cuisines here even in Soviet times: Uzbek, Russian, Korean, Uyghur, Tajik (oh, these dairy products in the mountainous part of Tajikistan), Kyrgyz and so on, etc. The highest cooking culture, still in China, from my experience.
            Recently, in Russia, the variety of cuisines has become much richer than Uzbekistan. So your rebuke that Russia has only to dream is not true.
            And in tea-hons I visited, saw and drank arak from teapots. I saw how to order and wink ...
            1. +2
              25 September 2016 23: 47
              And in tea-hons I visited, saw and drank arak from teapots


              Not tea hana, but simpler ... easier - teahouse. Feel the difference? *)

              Recently, in Russia, the variety of cuisines has become much richer than Uzbekistan


              Do not confuse - a variety of cuisines, and
              food culture
              ... I don't like Chinese cuisine = except for Uyghur = precisely because of its "diversity". I'm not suspicious, but not all the same to drag into your mouth, counting calories, carbohydrates and proteins, by the way, perhaps this is something slimy that crawled a few minutes ago on a nearby tree ... *)

              The culture of food in large Russian cities is lost - it is scary to look at boys and girls in offices, who consume "beach packs" during lunch breaks, and in the evenings at dinner, who do not take the very same calories, carbohydrates and vitamins due to their elementary inability to cook .. *) Do you understand, first of all, Uzbek is a man who cannot cook - this is nonsense. And even in spite of this, I, for example, having returned to Tashkent after a long absence, instantly "forgot how to cook" ... I'm just too lazy - take a step out of the house, or from the office and everywhere, a bunch of "sit-down eateries", with delicious and cheap food, anyone. I constantly go for food and I even have to arrange preventive fasting for myself, for 1-2 days - and even these days, I'm just fed up with the constant smells of goodies, within walking distance.

              Just believe me, Moscow for sure, can only dream of a good "food culture" ... Well, Peter, in this regard, keeps the brand - but Peter, in itself, is a special city ... a magical city ... *)
              1. 0
                26 September 2016 00: 27
                Yes, I agree with many. But, in Russia there are places where they like to sit well and eat deliciously. There are a bunch of men who can cook perfectly. Only today in the morning we sat well with one master tiler. A simple man from a small town near St. Petersburg, is fond of Indian cuisine, also gave sensible advice on Russian cuisine. As for the homeless packages, yes TROUBLE. But, in Uzbekistan, few can afford to go to a good master chef. Eat for a rich dastarkhan. And the same farmers working in the fields, too, do not all dine on pilaf, but eat a cake with tea, at best a watermelon, if there is a melon nearby.
                Not everyone can cook good pilaf in Tashkent. I don’t remember the exact name of the street, near the local Hydrometeorological Center, there was a bunch of oshkhon. But the whole line was built only in one and everyone patiently waited for the pilaf to be ready there.
                1. +1
                  26 September 2016 09: 25
                  to the master chef. Eat for a rich dastarkhan.


                  Ummmmmm ... you have strange information. Simple - real. It is impossible to convince you, absolutely, and I'm not going to do it - most importantly, just try not to give out your vision of the situation as peremptory truth, in the last resort. This is far from the case. I can give out only commonplace - if, for example, you still find the opportunity to come to Uzbekistan, I could probably show you the life of absolutely all segments of the population of Uzbekistan. And I promise not to comment on this - so that you yourself conclude ... *)) And you know what ... = I thought = ... you know, you remind me of Heinlein = something was such a great science fiction writer, and I personally, him strongly respect as a person =. In the 60s ... or it was in the 70s, I don’t remember exactly, he came to the USSR. I traveled to cities, including was in Moscow, Leningrad, Gorky, as I recall. So - a man standing firmly on his feet, looking at the world soberly and calmly, took away from the USSR only memories that he was constantly surrounded by KGB men. The people who spoke to him on the streets, in his eyes were all polls of KGB officers. Even purely statistically, if you do not suffer from paranoia in the last stage, it is difficult to imagine. In order for this to be true, the USSR had to be an ABSOLUTE authorship - but this was far from the case. Many of us, often good-naturedly spit on the political installations of the Cold War. The USSR was a country of people, not of soulless robots with brainwashed - and that is why Hanlayn’s conclusions, in fact, are incorrect.

                  You often look at my country, approximately like Heinlein in the USSR ... *)

                  But, in Russia there are places where they like to sit well and eat deliciously. There are a bunch of men who can cook perfectly.


                  Well, yes, you’re right ... I have a lot of friends in Russia who cook so you lick your fingers ... *) I already noted that Peter is a special city, probably due to the fact that he survived the blockade, the people there treat food a little differently. But my friends are not only in St. Petersburg. I remember the wonderful summer evenings in the suburbs, when we went fishing with San Sanych, my neighbor, and then he cooked such fantastic fish dishes that it was easy to go nuts. But this is the suburbs, nevertheless ... *)
      2. +7
        24 September 2016 17: 18
        And we pulled the country into space!


        Trust me - You personally, did not pull. The maximum you could pull the country back into slop nationalism... *)
        1. +1
          24 September 2016 22: 27
          Great answer!
          1. 0
            25 September 2016 16: 48
            “Why, without fear of sin, does the cuckoo praise the rooster? For the fact that he praises the cuckoo '' - Krylov ... We remember the pogroms in Osh and Alma-Ata, so it's not for you to blame the Russians for nationalism ...
            1. +1
              25 September 2016 20: 57
              We remember the pogroms in Osh


              Carbonic acid dichlorideYou just got yours Osh... *) Osh, not Uzbekistan, but Kyrgyzstan, when will you finally inject this simple truth into your brain? *))

              so do not you blame the Russian nationalism ...


              And it is not for you to blame the Central Asians for nationalism - for a start, you should simply study simple school subjects, such as geography and modern history. I'm not sure that this will help you, of course, the only thing is, you can learn to distinguish east from west, and south from north, and along with this, at least, take for granted that Uzbekistan and Uzbekistanis, of all nationalities, of which at least 100 live in our country , long ago they hammered a thick bolt on "Natsik" and "offended" of all stripes ...

              In the same way, you can make a claim to the Aleuts and the inhabitants of Alaska, in their "rosofobia" for the fact that Alexander 3 sold them, along with the land and all the giblets to America ...

              like that...
              1. 0
                26 September 2016 00: 41
                To Osh, Alma-Ata, I can add Baku and other cities where pogroms were organized ... So Moscow ordered the pogroms from you ?! Yes, yours arranged them in order to get power and sit down as tsars. And the pretext was the same everywhere - the Russian `` drunkards '' allegedly ate you all and as soon as you separate from the Russians and Russia, you will start drinking from golden wine glasses ... you had to think so, because Moscow, with a foolishness, fed all these republics of nationalities better than Russia ... In Russia, it was forbidden to build even two-story houses, and in Ukraine and in other councils of deputies it was allowed ... You, in The USSR was gasified first of all, at our expense ... I'm not talking about the Baltic states, which frankly got drunk in the USSR ...
                1. +2
                  26 September 2016 09: 52
                  I can add Baku to Osh, Alma-Ata


                  ... What side does Baku have to do with Uzbekistan? What side does Osh have to do with Uzbekistan? Hey, are you stupid or just full head fuck ****? Although, yes, Baku has, has ... there in the 90th the brigade was transferred from Ferghanato suppress the outbreak of violence there. Transfer, transfer, and forgot to withdraw ...

                  Russians `` drunkards '' supposedly ate you all and as soon as you separate from the Russians and Russia, you will start drinking from golden glasses


                  Really - ё *** th ...

                  You, in the USSR, were gasified first of all, at our expense ...


                  Do not reap henna. In Uzbekistan, at least you eat gas. Do we also have Russian gas?

                  Hey dude you're really - fucking frostbitten...
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2016 10: 49
                    There is no need to mow for a fool ... The availability of gas and gasification are two different things. Russia is also full of gas, and mass gasification began already during the time of the Russian Federation, and in the USSR, first of all, gas was supplied to YOU, all sorts of Ukraine and other republics of the Soviets, but not RSFSR. I just do not harbor illusions about the Sovdep propaganda about the world revolution and supposedly internationalism and people like you know the price well ... I wrote about Baku as one of the examples, and Russians left Uzbekistan both in the 90s and in 2000 -x and not because `` they wanted to visit grandmothers in the Russian Federation ''
                    1. +1
                      26 September 2016 11: 39
                      The presence of gas and gasification are two different things.


                      ... are you really dumb? Gas has been produced in Uzbekistan for a long time, and in the 60s they extended a gas pipeline branch to the same Russia = the gas pipeline is still operating =. And they delivered from us, to the central industrial region of the USSR. And along the way, it was a sin not to gasify large cities. But even so, in many remote places of Uzbekistan, gas has not yet been conducted.

                      Dude, you do not stupid and do not write henna. If you don’t know, better be silent. If a lot of bile has accumulated - where the thread is in the jar - when there is a shortage of it, you will drink it yourself ...
                      1. 0
                        26 September 2016 11: 49
                        And gas is produced everywhere, even in the same western Ukraine and for a long time, only the quantities and quality are different, and the gas pipeline in the RSFSR was built not for Russia, but for sale abroad. In Russia, its always been enough. And now your gas is in transit, and not to the Russian Federation. You tell others how white and fluffy you are and the fables that you fed Russia ... We somehow live without you, it’s you who come to us for a piece of bread and we’re not happy with you, it hurts you’re not beautiful behaving yourself coming to the Russian Federation, I'm not talking about the pogroms that you organized before the collapse of the USSR and after in your own republics of the former USSR.
        2. +1
          25 September 2016 16: 46
          In Russia, there have never been pogroms on ethnic grounds, but you have had in Uzbekistan, so if you didn’t scold Russia, you would repent and ask for forgiveness ... but you’ll want to bend all your fingers ... And how to eat nothing to Russia, from which you separated, to the Russians whom you saw in the Russian Federation in the 90s by no means flowers ... You have no shame or conscience ...
          1. +1
            25 September 2016 17: 35
            You do not know history well, or rather you don’t know it at all. Not all union republics wanted independence. Uzbekistan and in particular I.A. Karimov, perfectly understood what threatens the destruction of economic ties. We entered our own money only in 1994, since our president until the last moment did not believe that you could just take and break all ties. And the document was signed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, against the consent of the peoples inhabiting the USSR.
            After that, there was a difficult time that you, if your age allows it, should remember, which is described by the word "dashing 90s" and they were exactly that. And we went through this without sliding down, building new factories, roads, reconstructing cities, repelling attacks by terrorists who were not inferior to the operations in Chechnya in terms of the intensity of the struggle, although you may know about this.
            25 years of peace, you think about this figure .. That is what allowed us to get on our feet. It’s not easy for us, but we don’t already rely on you, we already see what we can do without you.
            And at this time - Transnistria, Karabakh, the Caucasus, Tajikistan, this is offhand just what is in the CIS. And what happened in Eastern Europe ..
            to the Russians whom you saw in Russia in the 90s by no means flowers ... You have no shame or conscience ...

            I did not see them off, I still have Russian friends here. And those Russians who went to Russia in the 90s were not met with bread and salt at all. Therefore, it’s not for you to tell or judge about shame and conscience.
            1. 0
              25 September 2016 21: 10
              Dear forum member, you are right that Karimov opposed the collapse of the Union and introduced his own money only in 1994. Indeed, the Belovezhskaya "gathering" led to the greatest troubles throughout Eastern Europe, but Phosgene is ABSOLUTELY right that there were no national riots on the territory of the Russian Federation like you did in Uzbekistan.
              Agree, this speaks of the spirituality of Russians and the absence of "imperialism" so hated by you.
              I think you will agree that nationalism in such countries as Russia, Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan, where for decades, even centuries, representatives of different peoples live, is a terrible thing! As a rule, all these unrest are consciously inspected by non-people in order to have certain dividends.
              1. +3
                25 September 2016 22: 01
                the territory of the Russian Federation did not happen national unrest like you in Uzbekistan


                Dear Monarchist - not in Uzbekistan, there have never been riots nationally... Let's try to dot the i's. A starting point - Osh, this is not Uzbekistan... "Speeches" against the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks took place in the late 80s, and most likely were "ordered" from Moscow - just a great reason to start ruining the Union, under the reference of the mantra - "Look, you people! See how people hate almost identical in mentality and religion, each other. And you, after all this, still want to preserve the Union ?! ". The Turks were resettled to the Caucasus, the Crimean Tatars received a" residence permit "in the Crimea. At the same time, I have a lot of friends of the Crimean Tatars = Who for some reason, here is an ambushhave not left Uzbekistan running away from "wild carnage"= in Uzbekistan, and in Crimea, which for some reason, unlike Monsieur Fosgen, do not remember Uzbekistan with evil - they come to the "small" Motherland, when nostalgia is overwhelmed, they settle in Crimea with whole "makhallas", according to the Uzbek habit and when I visit them I come to visit my "aunt" Crimean Tatarka, and they are inviting me to visit. What do you think, if there was a serious massacre between us, which, by the way, is now raging between Russians and Ukrainians, would we have such good relations with them?

                Agree, this speaks of the spirituality of Russians and the absence of "imperialism" so hated by you.


                You can answer for all - for hundreds, thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens who simply organically, before the wolf howl in their throats, can not stand representatives of other nationalities? I, personally, for such representatives your nationI can’t answer - do I need to take the sin of every bandit from the high road and uhhhhhh, to your soul?

                What percentage of such "people" can be present in every nation? I think 4-6 percent, as well as 3.14 daras = these "mental minorities" are in many ways similar to each other, and therefore lend themselves to statistics and accounting - and their percentage in each nation is approximately the same =. And should I be responsible for the ass of every 3.14daras? Each of them sells her and their souls as they want. My task is simple - not to succumb to their gallows propaganda, to refute it if possible, while remaining a comrade, friend, brother for my comrades, friends and brothers of ALL NATIONS.

                Like that...
            2. 0
              26 September 2016 00: 36
              Come on to drive ... We see who is coming to Russia now and with what intentions from all the former republics of the USSR, without exception ... And visitors from Uzbekistan in the top 3 in the criminal chronicle ...
          2. +2
            25 September 2016 21: 18
            In Russia, there have never been pogroms on ethnic grounds, but you had in Uzbekistan, so if you didn’t scold Russia, you would repent and ask for forgiveness


            At least one pogrom on ethnic grounds in Uzbekistan, after the 91st year, present? Except for your old song about Osh. Especially for that ..., for you, I repeat - OS, this is Kyrgyzstan ... Kyrgyzstan is not Uzbekistan. Again, for you, as an example, this is the same as confusing Russia with Finland.

            And how to eat nothing, so to earn money in Russia, from which you separated


            Again, for you, Russia is one of the first to separate from ALL (After the Balts, with which I personally emphasize YOU PERSONALLY, long-standing "love" and a similar mentality - and they and you always blame your guilt on others). Uzbekistan was one of the few Republics of the former Empire that tried to keep the Union to the end.

            Russia is far from flowers ... You have no shame, no conscience ...


            It is not for you to talk about shame and conscience. You, personally, have the audacity to put at the forefront not historical facts, but your personal phobia and hatred. Those who have conscience, shame and decency will never, despite the cries of comrades like you, be able to program the mentality of those people who did not see that time, relying on your imagination and anger, as categorically as you. The 90s were terrible only thanks to a gathering of three drunks in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, who, with one stroke of the pen, sentenced a huge country to death. And then in all ... I repeat, IN ALL countries of the former USSR, the inveterate bastard climbed out of all the cracks, trying to get to power. From these people, I do not argue, some citizens of Uzbekistan could suffer, the same Russians ... and not only Russians. And this bastard, in Uzbekistan, thank God, was very quickly cut down at the root.

            That's something like this ...
            1. 0
              26 September 2016 01: 02
              1) The fact that you are deliberately lying about the fact that the Russians did not suffer during the Ferghana massacre already speaks volumes.http: //trueinform.ru/modules.php? Name = News
              & sid = 12930 And you do not need to write to me that this is a lie, it is true, but you and your ilk are lying. 2) In 1989, 1660000 Russians lived in Uzbekistan, in 2013, officially, 700000, but in reality even less and this is ALL SAID ... And you don't need to write to me that they all went to see the grandmothers in Russia '' , or left poverty. Belarus is also a beggar, but they do not leave yet, but when the Maidan begins, they will go ...
              1. +2
                26 September 2016 08: 36
                1) The fact that you deliberately lie about the fact that during


                Fosgen, can you read? Or so completely frostbite that write what your opponent did not write and are happy with it like an elephant?

                Do not carry garbage, a provocateur ...
                1. 0
                  26 September 2016 10: 40
                  I personally know people, Russians, who were injured in Baku, Alma-Ata and other cities of the former Soviet deputies, during the pogroms and I don’t need to tell fairy tales here. I can introduce you personally to them, just don’t be surprised if they treat you the same way you treated them, at home, in the 90s.
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2016 17: 45
                    I personally know Russian people affected in Baku, Alma-Ata

                    Baku is not Uzbekistan.
                    Alma-Ata is not Uzbekistan.
              2. +1
                26 September 2016 08: 48
                Belarus is also a beggar, but so far they are not leaving, and when the maidan begins, they will go ...


                You yourself are a beggar ... Belarus, a wonderful country, with a wonderful and hardworking population. Most importantly, the people there still remember very well what their ancestors experienced during the war, and they also remember very well the country that included their country and Uzbekistan. And that is why there is simply no such avalanche of negativity towards us, Uzbeks, which can often be observed from "people" like you ...
                1. 0
                  26 September 2016 10: 43
                  Belarus constantly begs Russia, then loans, then weapons, then gas and oil, for free, at a discount, and then resells to the EU, more expensive, lives on that ... So I don’t need to tell you what kind of workers you are here . You live at the expense of the Russian Federation, not all, but the majority. And I have seen more than once with the flags of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Russophobian slogans like the Natsiks go to Belarus.
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2016 11: 12
                    Dear Phosgen. All problems come from the decentralization of power! First of all, the local population, and of course the national minority, suffer from such pogroms. Statistics are such a bad science. Many people suffered. Mass exodus of Armenians from Baku, also in the opposite direction. Osh events. Russian pogroms in Tuva. Nationalism in Kazan and Ufa, the Caucasus. And to be separated from all these countries, it is as silly as not to communicate with neighbors on the same landing. Not giving a damn about the politics in the CIS countries in the 90s, we have Ukraine! We did not feel the Baltics, because of the smallness of these countries, in the number of inhabitants, a scanty economy and a weak influence on world events. And if Uzbekistan bangs out with 32 million, then the current guest workers will seem like flowers. Russia will have to help Kazakhstan to stop a massive wave of refugees from Uzbekistan, I doubt that they will go to Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Fuck *** us at our borders "refugee camps" ?! Better peaceful trade relations, after all, a huge market for our goods !. Why is China investing so much in the economy of Uzbekistan, including directly bribing local officials? Because he sees a large sales market for his products! And cheap labor, and cheap cotton, etc. And for this we need a government completely loyal to us and the entire elite class tied to Russia. And this is possible if we do not fence ourselves off from the problems of Central Asia. Yes, nobody likes to climb and poke around in the outside. But if you don't do this, it will flood your apartment!
                    1. 0
                      26 September 2016 12: 03
                      1) The problem with refugees is solved by closing the border and allowing the border guards to open fire to kill. At one time, the border guards of the GDR had such a right and were not rude to them like soldiers from the USSR. 2) Russia has a lot of problems of its own, and you offer to feed again the entire former USSR at the expense of the Russian Federation and you believe that this will solve the problem. Yes, it will not solve, but will aggravate, and in the Russian Federation itself, where the standard of living and the birth rate of the indigenous population are far from the desired, and this is a matter of national security. Your "cheap labor" 'and today it does the Russian Federation more harm than good, and only not far-sighted people and thugs do not want to see this: 1) Your Gaster is a crime, most of them behave worse in the Russian Federation than in their village. 2) They take money out of the Russian Federation abroad and the sums are large, which does not benefit the Russian Federation and its indigenous population. 3) The presence of these ragamuffins prevents the introduction of new technologies and automation in the Russian Federation, which affects the quality of goods produced in the Russian Federation and their volumes for the worse. 4) In the same FRG, the Gaster problem did not begin today, there, too, the Turks who came into large numbers in Germany behaved like bandits, and Merkel did not notice this, for the sake of big business, so she brought the country to insanity, which threatens civil war. Gaster is not needed, and the PRC sells there only counterfeit, low quality, but cheap. So the market for them is dubious. RF should not fall to the level of production of Chinese basement manufactories
  10. +3
    24 September 2016 10: 10
    In vain you say that the principle of nepotism has been replaced by fraternity. The principle of nepotism is very strong in several areas: Surkhandarya, Kashkadarya, Khorezm. Fellowship is also formed around one or another large related family. Moreover, when everyone lives nearby, almost all relatives))). When I traveled to the expanses of Central Asia, very often I asked what kind of one or another local resident. Those who came at the time with the Sheybani Khan of the 92 tribe, as a rule, remember their Rodi tribal affiliation (which causes sincere respect). Many genera settled in one place, forming villages and still live on this way. Those who came from other places are few.
    The peak of nationalism was in the early 90s in connection with the collapse of the USSR. Now the national question is not very acute, although this does not mean that it is not at all.
    Conflicts occur against the backdrop of a fight over water, a particular land, which is associated with enclaves, grazing, and more. In the case of combining these lands into one state and / or resolving issues with land, water, etc. national conflicts will come to naught.
    1. +2
      24 September 2016 17: 21
      In vain you say that the principle of nepotism has been replaced by fraternity.


      And you, dear, it would be necessary either to insert matches into the eyelids, or simply keep them wide open with your fingers. Well, for example, I can brag of belonging to the descendants of Sheybani. So what? *))) This is nothing more than a page of history, of our entire land ... *)
      1. +1
        24 September 2016 22: 26
        I agree with De Mon Cher
      2. 0
        25 September 2016 22: 00
        I am very glad that you know your family, I sincerely respect people who remember their family. Believe me, believe me, I also know quite well. There were very worthy ancestors. Even the founder of one of the monasteries in the Pskov region is my ancestor.
        By nature, he is very observant and curious. As I wrote more than once, I express my opinion here based on ITS OBSERVATIONS ..
        I respect people, but, YOU are losing a lot in my eyes, trying to offend me with expressions "put matches in your eyes, go booze and so on." I looked at your opinions, I agree with many of them, but not with many. But, for some reason, I do not send you to drink, and I do not urge you to keep your eyes with your fingers.
        1. 0
          26 September 2016 00: 17
          for some reason I do not send you plump


          So ... about booze, I never sent you to do this ... *) Will you finally read what I am writing to you? *)))) Last time I JOKE - drawing an analogy between the stamps of the Americans about the Russians, and the stamps of the Russians about the Central Asians ... *)) Well, damn it, why did you cling to this? *)) This is the third time I've tried to explain this to you, and you - again pull out this thing as an "argument" ... *)

          "About putting matches in your eyes" - I do not refuse this. Yes, exactly - you only want to see what you WANT to see ... do you understand? *))

          Clanishness and nepotism are not common in Uzbekistan - very serious guys and girls from the relevant authorities will deal with such matters ... *) You watched very superficially, understand? *))
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            26 September 2016 13: 51
            Quote: de_monSher
            You watched very superficially, understand? *))

            Dear de_monSher, I not only observed "superficially", but also worked in Central Asia, worked very closely, not only in Uzbekistan, Northern Afghanistan, etc. I had to contact with representatives of the authorities, very important people, sat at a dastarkhan with many, resolved issues with law enforcement agencies, and so on. He retired at the very beginning of the 2000s, I don’t think, I’m practically SURE that the situation with clannishness and nepotism has not changed at all since then. Moreover, many of my friends confirm this.
            So the statement about the "superficiality" of my observations I leave on your conscience.
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              26 September 2016 14: 35
              The 2000s, I do not think, are almost SURE that the situation with clanism and nepotism has not changed a bit since then.


              So they would have said right away - sorry if I "ran over" a lot. Perhaps you and I have crossed paths in the places of your work. I was in about the same places, running with my tongue out, and probably solving the same problems as you ... *)

              Compared to the beginning of the 2009s, the situation has changed dramatically. The one with the "noughts" - I left in 15, returned in the XNUMXth (I was mostly in Chernobyl, until the Ukrainians started jumping on the Maidan) - and for me there was a feeling that I had just arrived in another city, and even to another country - changes in the good side are very noticeable.
            2. 0
              26 September 2016 14: 42
              de_monSher is Uzbek and it explains a lot laughing

              In addition to the internal low level of civilization, a drop in living standards (due to population growth) and continued de-industrialization, Uzbekistan has insoluble problems with neighboring states - Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan.

              Uzbekistan claims other people's water resources (Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan) and gas fields (Turkmenistan), plus traditional territorial disputes in the Ferghana Valley.
              Uzbekistan has also caused enormous damage to the economy of Kazakhstan, completely intercepting river flow into the Aral Sea, which has turned into a series of small salt bodies of water.

              Interstate disputes are exacerbated by interethnic conflicts: most Uzbeks belong to the Semites (haplogroup J2), while most Kyrgyz and Tajiks belong to the Aryans living in northern India (R1a), Turkmens belong to the Celts (R1b), Kazakhs (Mong) .

              Recently, even the fact that all these peoples were assimilated linguistically by the Mongols and, in religious terms, by the Arabs, has not helped resolve interethnic conflicts.

              Until recently, a man of Soviet hardening Islam Karimov was ruining this situation. The question is how the post-Soviet leadership of Uzbekistan will cope with it.
              1. 0
                26 September 2016 15: 22
                In addition to the internal low level of civilization


                Ummmmm ... why are you, my friend, measuring the internal level of civilization? *)) In grams, liters, kilometers? *)) Do you have a secret device for measuring it? *))))

                Uzbekistan claims other people's water resources


                A pearl worthy of the pen of Kozma Prutkov ... *)))) Water, for your information, has a terrible feature for you - fluidity. And when there is a lot of water, it has another feature - fuck to demolish any obstacles in its path, such as dams. And this resource is difficult to "claim". Okay, so that you don't load too much, I'll give you a hint - maybe you meant a completely different resource like that connected with water? *)) You write something "smart" on this topic, and I will comment ... *)

                gas fields (Turkmenistan) plus traditional territorial disputes in the Ferghana Valley


                = I closed my eyes and imagined a rough map of the fields of Turkmenistan =. The main gas fields of Turkmenistan are geographically located in the South-West and North-West - including on the Caspian shelf ... *) And here, in relation to you, we can apply the saying - "I heard a ringing, hell knows where he is from" - Turkmen conflict, like, if my memory serves me right, with Azerbaijanis and Iranians ... *)) But not with Uzbeks ... *))

                I will not say anything about "genetics" - just a little comment. Zolotar should do what he can, clean - and if he gets into engineers, for example, be in trouble... *))

                peoples were linguistically assimilated by the Mongols

                Ghy ... *)))) super. I do not deny that both the Türkic and Mongolian languages ​​belong to the same Altai linguistic macrofamily. But this is why, dear "polyznaty", neither I nor my neighbor Kazakh, will be able to understand Mongol, or Korean = whose language, too, perhaps, refers to the Altai language family =, but at the same time it is better to understand the Mordvin or Mari - whose language belongs to the Finno-Ugric family? *))

                Dear "polyznatts" - you have such holes in your education, and at the same time there is so much ambition that at least stand still ... *))
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                26 September 2016 17: 59
                Uzbekistan has also caused enormous damage to the economy of Kazakhstan, completely intercepting river flow into the Aral Sea, which has turned into a series of small salt bodies of water.

                The Aral was ditched during the Soviet era. And first of all, the reason was that during the Soviet Union, Uzbekistan was made a raw material republic, cotton became everything. Large factories built in Uzbekistan were focused specifically on the production of fertilizers, for example, Fergana's Azot.
                In Ferghana, by the way, the largest oil refinery in Central Asia and a lot of other industries were also built.
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                  26 September 2016 20: 00
                  Under the USSR, the interception of river flow into the Aral Sea was planned to be compensated by the transfer of water along the Ob-Aral Sea canal.

                  How independent Uzbekistan can compensate economic damage to Kazakhstan is a question.

                  Especially against the background of Uzbekistan’s claims to the regime of water resources regulation of third countries - Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

                  If I am not mistaken, due to the water conflict, Uzbekistan is still blocking Tajikistan's railway communication with other countries.
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                    27 September 2016 19: 12
                    Under the USSR, the interception of river flow into the Aral Sea was planned to be compensated by the transfer of water along the Ob-Aral Sea canal.

                    The turn of Siberian rivers .. The project was utopian and without consequences, and only the collapse of the USSR saved us from another environmental disaster.
                    Water dispute is good to discuss, sitting with a laptop on the couch, sitting in another country. You see only the tip of the iceberg.
                    In addition, once again I draw attention to the cause of this problem - Uzbekistan, during the time of the USSR, was deliberately made a commodity republic. We had and still have to deal with the consequences of this.
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                      27 September 2016 19: 29
                      The project was absolutely real. The project was hacked by a certain Yablokov. Now an apologist of Zelena, a complete creature of WEST. The project made it possible for GROWTH in SR.ASIA from everything from a farm to other industries. 1. Water-demanding cities and agriculture in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, as well as several regions of Russia (Omsk, Chelyabinsk, Kurgan) will receive the long-awaited water, which will favorably affect their economic development.

                      P project will allow in Russia alone to draw 1,5 million hectares of fertile land into agricultural circulation, create thousands of jobs, launch hundreds of industrial enterprises and scientific institutions. The project will create prerequisites for solving numerous environmental problems of the Aral Sea.

                      2. The world market of fresh water is booming, the price of water is constantly growing, which means that the development of a project to transfer water to Central Asia can bring significant profit to Russia.

                      3. In Soviet times, the implementers of the river flow diversion project relied only on the positive economic effect for the agricultural industry in Central Asia. Now this project is acquiring a geopolitical coloring. In the event of its implementation, Russia will strengthen its economic and geopolitical positions in Central Asia.

                      The geopolitical importance of the lever of potential shortage of water resources in this region has already been "sniffed" in the West. Thus, the World Bank for Reconstruction and Development has already allocated money to study the possibility of transferring water from the Indian Ganges to Central Asia. If this project is implemented, Central Asia may be in the sphere of political influence of the West.

                      4. According to the calculations of some scientists, global climatic changes will be accompanied by an increase in the flow of Siberian rivers (the “water redundancy” of Siberia will increase) and an increase in the harmful river floods. All this will occur along with aridization (drying out) in Central Asia, which means that the project of transferring water to the south is a great opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.

                      5. Not only one aridization occurring as a result of global climate change threatens Central Asia. Big problems can come from the south.
                      When Afghanistan, after exhausting wars, gets to its feet, the country's industry and agriculture will need a lot of water. Afghanistan will take the water of the Amu Darya. Under international agreements, it is allowed to divert for their needs up to half of the total river flow of a river flowing through the territory of a country. The Japanese are already developing a project to divert 10 km3 of water per year from the Amu Darya to the needs of developing Afghanistan. It is easy to imagine what Uzbekistan expects. Freshwater reserves in this country may be halved. This means that the inhabitants of Uzbekistan will face another environmental disaster.
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                        28 September 2016 05: 34
                        If everything was the way you say, then it really was a way out. The problem is that not only will it require a lot of money, but also that the long-term impact on the climate has not been calculated. Even among experts there is disagreement on this issue.
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                        28 September 2016 08: 32
                        It is easy to imagine what Uzbekistan expects. Freshwater reserves in this country may be halved


                        Wow. The water mirror in Arnasay, today seems to be more than 3500 sq km. There are a lot of lands flooded - it would be nice to take this water somewhere. Well, or there, in theory - a great site for the construction of a nuclear power plant, which will remove many tense moments throughout the region.
            3. 0
              26 September 2016 14: 50
              that the situation with clanism and nepotism


              And another moment. I was probably a little mistaken about you - I did not jump too high, as, perhaps, you, and I do not know what is going on there at the very top, in the "ruling stratum" ... *) One thing I can say for sure - "clannishness and nepotism" is not is something unusual in the practice of world hmm ... "elites". I can only say that the clan differentiation that was present in Uzbekistan in the late 90s, early XNUMXs, has leveled off. There are objective reasons for this, one of which is pragmatism. Clans hinder business, and business in Uzbekistan is something that only the laziest is not engaged in ... *)
              1. 0
                27 September 2016 12: 30
                Thanks for the good response, de_monSher.
                I know that they tried to fight nepotism. Knew Russian lieutenant colonels in certain structures by the end of the 90s. They were specially left in their posts in order to somehow balance the interests and protect the preponderance of the interests of certain (families, clans). But also, I knew families where uncles and other relatives took positions in the prosecutor's office, police, ministries, etc. Unfortunately, this is also due to the poor capabilities of "social lifts". The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Uzbekistan is also a common global problem.
                I am writing without gloating about the problems of Uzbekistan. This land has in many ways become my native.
                There are problems, here the interests of major world players converge, which (or rather which) can contribute to the explosion, but there are reasons for it (explosion). And this will be a big problem for Russia.
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                  27 September 2016 13: 48
                  And this will be a big problem for Russia.


                  It is, first of all, will be a big problem for Uzbekistan.

                  As for "clans and families", the final touch. When you, Russians, discuss this, to me personally, it all scratches my heart a little. Is it really, We, the inhabitants of Uzbekistan, are completely blind and deaf? Did so many of our guys in Tajikistan, and in Uzbekistan itself, in the late 90s, early 2000s, really perish in vain, in order to prevent the infection of revolution, civil war and the lawlessness of religious fanaticism from entering our land?

                  Yes, no matter what the leader sat down to rule, by and large, a lot is known about him. You can list objectively - his business, even the simplest Tashkent carrier in any company, will talk about his financial opportunities - and the information will be accurate, 70-80 percent, because the carrier has a godfather, brother, matchmaker who work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the presidential apparatus, etc. Well, you can’t hide anything of this in Nowadayswhen information is literally overloaded with everything, and in our country with our peoplewho don’t like to count money in someone else’s pocket, but roughly know how much they are stored there ... *)

                  Do you seriously think what it is, what that means? After all, managers are not needed for this, but for something else. He just, if not spoken aloud, then these words mean - "You muzhik? We've kind of seen that this is so. Work ka - keep calm, peace, harmony and order, and the rest is our business - how to live, what they are doing. "

                  Like that...
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                    27 September 2016 15: 10
                    Yes, we have common problems, which means we must solve them together. US interests in Uzbekistan are situational. Their main task is to annoy Russia and China. So they will set it up in full, playing holding the stone in the bosom, quite in their style. China is a large, populous country. Keep close to them - you can instantly turn into Chinese. Relations with Russia are time-tested. From my point of view, the path for the survival of Uzbekistan is one, a tight bond with Russia.
                    1. +1
                      28 September 2016 08: 33
                      From my point of view, the path for the survival of Uzbekistan is one, a tight bond with Russia.


                      We are already working closely with you. Just without too much advertising. Who needs it?
                    2. +1
                      28 September 2016 14: 03
                      By the way, by the way - one moment, ridiculous ... *)) We have now started the entire election campaign. Applicant 4, one name is Ketmonov (Ketmenev). I, the wrong one, even purely because of the name I will not risk voting for him ... *)))
  11. +2
    24 September 2016 11: 03
    in the territory of the Russian Federation, according to official data alone, at least 2 million citizens of Uzbekistan are

    Is it time to cut back? While they are quiet, otherwise it will be problematic.
    1. 0
      26 September 2016 11: 30
      , you still enter the concentration camps! In order for guest workers to leave for their country, they need to have a normal job there. And by destroying them here, you will only achieve that the same "Nazis" in the republic will cut out the last Russian-speaking population, and the number of guest workers will not decrease. It is necessary to comply with the Laws and bring all guest workers out of the shadows. But this, as I understand it, is much more difficult to do than just go and slaughter a couple of Uzbeks, Tajiks at a nearby construction site. And then we will separate the Caucasus and abandon the Crimea, because it is the birthplace of the Crimean Tatars!) And the Kalmyks and Bashkirs are not Russians! Fuck us to feed Kazan! Let's give up the Tatar gas! Ib **** Russian Natsiks can come out with such a "slogan"! Only these dullards understand poorly that the main production facilities and resources are not located in Central Russia, but in Siberia and the Far East, beyond the Urals. I do not call for kissing on the gums with Caucasians. I can't stand them *** myself, but starting to extinguish everyone is a complete f *** a!
      1. 0
        26 September 2016 18: 20
        You don’t compare Kazan with Uzbekistan. In Tatarstan, Tatars live less than 50%. Uzbekistan is a cut chunk and it’s impossible to glue it together. They squeeze out and destroy Russian people everywhere. When they come to the Russian Federation they behave like bandits, respecting neither the laws of the Russian Federation nor the indigenous population of the Russian Federation. They are not needed here.
  12. +1
    24 September 2016 16: 12
    Since the mid-80s, nothing has changed there ... Then only there were no terrorists ..
    1. +1
      25 September 2016 15: 13
      dmi.pris Yesterday, 16:12
      Since the mid-80s, nothing has changed there ... Then only there were no terrorists ..

      Since then. a lot of things have changed. Come, I will try to take the time and give you a tour. As Zakharova said - "Nothing will threaten you with me ..)"
      And then, if you have questions, we can conduct a tour around Russia ..) It is big, and there are enough contrasts) I will show them to you. And it’s just like in the Bible, they don’t see logs in their eyes, but they see a speck in a stranger.
  13. 0
    25 September 2016 16: 42
    Karimov’s legacy is Russophobia and pogroms of the Russian-speaking population in cities of Uzbekistan, such as the city of Osh, in the 90s ..... And today Uzbekistan is full of Russophobia patients, judging by the primates coming from Uzbekistan to the Russian Federation.
    1. +4
      25 September 2016 17: 18
      in cities of Uzbekistan, such as the city of Osh, in the 90s

      It has been said many times that Osh is a city in Kyrgyzstan. There were no such pogroms in Kyrgyzstan against the Russians in Uzbekistan. But, apparently, it is more important to say what "people grab".
      You would first learn a story, look at the world map, this is for starters.
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        26 September 2016 00: 32
        The point is not people at all, but the fact that any Sovdep republic was separated from Russia in the wake of Russophobia and the pogroms were everywhere, with the exception of Belarus, and it’s not yet evening and the situation is rotting every year ... It’s quite possible that soon there we will see the Maidan, with cries of an anti-Russian character ....
  14. +1
    25 September 2016 16: 49
    Osh is a Kyrgyz city.
  15. 0
    26 September 2016 08: 17
    two to the author! and this is not discussed! to the gentlemen who derive information from acquaintances-dva.Russian is amazing, but here they know him very well. not many Russians know, but there are many Uzbeks living near you, who you take as yours. and then You are surprised at the reason they know the Russian language. And as regards the Russian language itself, I’m not afraid to say that they know it better here
  16. +1
    26 September 2016 11: 57
    Phosgene,

    You really - zadolbali your stupidity. Go to the forest.
    1. 0
      26 September 2016 20: 04
      What really doesn’t like ?! Your problems.
      1. +1
        26 September 2016 20: 52
        What really dislike


        Yes, where does the truth then? *))) Dullness and stupidity unbreakable.
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          26 September 2016 21: 11
          Yes, no gracious sovereign, it’s you who want to blame your shoals on Russia, and here you are mowing here, under a disabled child who doesn’t understand something. As I already wrote, ALL republics of the former USSR were separated from Russia in the wake of Russophobia and pogroms in Belarus, and everything is shaky there. So you are not my relatives, not allies, and I do not want to see you in a country like you know in my country.
          1. +1
            27 September 2016 19: 27
            then you want to dump your jambs on Russia, so mow here, under a disabled child who doesn’t understand something there

            I solve my shoals myself and I think, having looked at your comments, I understand more of yours.

            As I already wrote, ALL republics of the former USSR were separated from Russia in the wake of Russophobia and there were no pogroms only in Belarus, and everything is shaky there.

            More than once they wrote in the comments, therefore, I can only say that limited people see the mosaic in separate pieces, without perceiving the whole picture.

            So you are not related to me

            I didn’t even get the emotions you’ve experienced, I have the same attitude towards you.

            and I don’t want to see you in my country.

            I was on your side a couple of times on business trips, but as a tourist I better fly to other places, since there are options, and our recreation areas are very high.
            the Americans who were once at the exercises with us practiced their actions in the mountainous regions, they were from Europe and traveled almost all of it, so they directly said - Which Italy, which Switzerland, is worse here here)
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              27 September 2016 19: 41
              Russia is a country with a rich culture, which you never dreamed of in your villages, and wherever you appear, you turn everything you touch into your own village, which you yourself do not like. So, in one of the Russian romances there are such words - ,, And lastly, I will say, 'We have not forgotten anything and there is no need to fool around here, like one Azerbaijani who wrote to me that during the massacre in Baku they did not touch the Russians. My classmate is a refugee from Baku and he is not an Armenian ... Live at home, we are not happy with you in the Russian Federation, and you don't belong here with your Russophobia.
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                28 September 2016 21: 52
                So, in one of the Russian romances there are such words - `` And finally, I will say ''


                That is why all the e-d-and-o-t-s, so pathos, tell me a secret? *)) For romances, you know, pulled ... *))
  17. +1
    26 September 2016 14: 10
    Quote: Phosgene
    any sovdepovskaya republic was separated from Russia on the wave of Russophobia and pogroms were everywhere

    not the republics were separated, Russia was separated from all. Who gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and signed the papers about the torn apart of the USSR? Karimov? Nazarbayev? Or maybe Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich - that is. the heads of the "European" republics of the USSR? EBN was so eager for power and was so eager to overthrow Gorbachev (to leave the President without a state) that he was absolutely violet on the whole country, on all the republics, etc. He got the fattest piece from the USSR - Russia. And for every "trifle" like Belarus, Uzbekistan, etc. - I didn't care. Including the Russians, who suddenly found themselves like in foreign states. What pogroms against Russians in Uzbekistan are we talking about? I am Russian, I was born and live in Uzbekistan, a descendant of those who came to this republic of the USSR "at the call of the party" to develop the national economy. We didn’t really notice that we suddenly “became independent”, that we were left without “fraternal republics”, without a single huge power. Everyone did not believe, everyone expected that everything would return to normal, they hoped for the CIS. Yes, there are bastards everywhere, yes - in the 90s, some stupid personalities grumbled something about "drive the Rasia pile" ... there are enough idiots everywhere. Were Russians leaving Uzbekistan for the Russian Federation welcomed with bread and salt? Or did Russians from the Russian Federation often treat migrants (the same Russians) as they treated the lumps? You will read just such nationalistic and chauvinistic cries and again in thoughts - is it necessary to move to the Russian Federation?
    Phosgene, you remind me, God forbid, of the Black Hundreds.
    1. 0
      26 September 2016 18: 21
      All that you write here is an open lie. The first of the USSR came the republics of the Baltic states, then the Caucasus, then Ukraine and so on ....
    2. +2
      27 September 2016 04: 32
      1) the Soviet Union collapsed degenerated (which became anti-communist) the top of the CPSU.
      That is, it is true that everything came from Moscow, but the RSFSR had nothing to do with it. Everything came from the central government and therefore it is simply pointless to argue which republic the "first beginning" is in the form of the "first beginning" - the Baltic states, the second - Russia (declaration of independence 1990 ).
      2) As for the Black Hundreds, you are mistaken. This is a traditionalist political movement with the goal of preserving the Russian Empire and the cultural characteristics of Russia under capitalism.
      That is, this is a pro-imperial movement. The views of Phosgen (if in his case one can speak of any views) are radically anti-imperial. That is, he is just the opposite of the Black Hundreds (as well as the Bolsheviks).
      His views are harsh Russophobia (hatred of the essence of Russia as a family of peoples), slightly camouflaged by rhetorical Russian nationalism.
      1. 0
        27 September 2016 05: 34
        The USSR virtually ceased to exist in 1988, when pogroms on national soil began in the republics of the former USSR, with full actual support from the local authorities, which did not stop them. So the signing of pieces of paper is only a formal result of what has already happened in fact.
        1. 0
          27 September 2016 19: 36
          Political will is needed to stop riots. Moscow at that time did not have it.
          The formation in Russia of the National Guard, subordinate to the president, suggests that Putin will have the courage to give the most stringent order in order to save Russia.
          And at that moment Gorbachev had neither the courage nor the support to act decisively and toughly. So do not blame everything on us.
          1. 0
            27 September 2016 19: 48
            To stop the unrest, it was enough for your local kings to pick up the phone and give a command to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the BB, but they did not do this, preferring to explain everything, including their personal jambs, to the Russians and to incite the crowd of local national minorities against the Russians. Russia is full of refugees from your republics and we know the truth. Moscow should have put things in order for you ?! Could, but only with the introduction of tanks and the shooting of your local leadership, with the tacit consent and protection of which the pogroms of the Russian population began in all the republics of the former Soviet of Deputies
          2. +1
            27 September 2016 20: 04
            In the 1991 year, nobody needed the USSR, and first of all, Russia.

            As a result of the abolition of the Soviet Union, Russia got rid of subsidized entities of the old confederation and created a new confederation with Belarus (the second subject-donor of the USSR).

            The correctness of Russia's actions was confirmed by former US President George W. Bush Sr., who declared his biggest mistake - helping to rid Russia of ballast (the countries of the Caucasus and Central Asia).
            1. 0
              27 September 2016 20: 12
              Sorry, but you are very mistaken in perceiving the words of Bush for the great truth. Less believe, if he praises (in the form of regret) it means that it is beneficial for them.
              If you follow your logic, then all the kings, emperors of Russia were exclusively stupid people, since they had the imprudence to annex the Caucasus and Middle Asia, the territory where England was torn ...
              At the expense of "no one needs .. again the repetition of the nonsense of the times of catastrophe and Yeltsin's talkers. The same loudly shouted, we will throw off everything, it will be like in a fairy tale, rivers from jelly and banks of gingerbread, well, where is it, happiness is Yeltsin's and his gop -companies, in safes abroad, right? You have a donut hole, everything else, indescribable happiness ...
              1. 0
                27 September 2016 22: 24
                Happiness is when there is no need to feed the burials: Ukrainians, Central Asians, Georgians, Armenians, Balts, and a lot of blacks, Arabs and Indo-Chinese.

                The grandmother remembered how she was a girl - The Great Game of Russia and Britain ended with a dry score in our favor. Now we have other rivals and, accordingly, other methods.
                1. 0
                  27 September 2016 22: 39
                  Quote: Operator
                  The grandmother remembered how she was a girl - The Great Game of Russia and Britain ended with a dry score in our favor. Now we have other rivals and, accordingly, other methods.

                  What a naive stupidity .....
              2. 0
                27 September 2016 22: 47
                England had a different approach, it pumped everything out of the colonies and drove everything to its islands, and the scoop fed all these republics at the expense of Russia. Yes, and now Russia is stepping on the same rake, distributing money to all sorts of Kyrgyzstan, and in response has only Russophobia and regular statements about the sovereignty and independent policies of all these parasites, who do not care about the interests of the Russian Federation, and they generally hate Russians
                1. 0
                  28 September 2016 00: 12
                  Today’s assistance to Russia to any independent ... camps cannot be compared to pumping out funds from the RSFSR and transferring them in the form of subsidies to the republics-rebels within the USSR.
                  1. 0
                    28 September 2016 14: 50
                    Today, the Russian Federation and the economy are not the same as before, in the USSR and Russian citizens do not have the social guarantees that existed in the USSR, so to feed the republic of the former USSR at the expense of the Russian Federation is a crime against Russia and its people.
                    1. 0
                      28 September 2016 15: 38
                      So in the USSR, subsidizing of mountaineers at the expense of the RSFSR was a crime against the Russian people.

                      The Soviet Union was a confederation and any burrower had the right to secede from it at a convenient moment.

                      Another thing is the Russian Federation, where not a single entity has the right to secede from the state.
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                        28 September 2016 17: 05
                        Crimes of the CPSU are not an excuse for United Russia, which continue to feed the Russophobic republics of the former USSR at the expense of the Russian Federation
                  2. 0
                    28 September 2016 20: 04
                    Sing, with Phosgen ... *) you have a wonderful duet - a "scientist" as a bile and a pharmacist, a seller of bile ... *) you will go far, do not choke the current with bile along the way ... *))
          3. +1
            28 September 2016 01: 43
            Quote: Razvedka_Boem
            And at that moment Gorbachev had neither the courage nor the support to act decisively and toughly. So do not blame everything on us.

            Oh God, you didn’t understand anything. Perestroika triumphs because you could deceive people. Okay, Fosgen and the Operator, they can’t understand anything, but you made the impression of a reasonable person ....
            Gorbachev himself was the initiator of all this. What kind of "support" is there, what kind of "courage" is there?
            He himself (at the head of the CPSU Central Committee) created all this. He himself blocked resistance to all the processes of "perestroika".
            1. 0
              28 September 2016 05: 14
              Yes, and there are versions that it was purchased. I deliberately omitted this, since officially he has not yet been charged with any charges and, unlike some commentators, I do not throw phrases.
              1. 0
                28 September 2016 21: 03
                Quote: Razvedka_Boem
                Yes, and there are versions that it was bought

                Not purchased. He was neither a CIA agent nor an Mossad agent. There was no secret conspiracy. Everything was completely materialistic.
                Khrushchev made strategic wrong decisions regarding the basic principles of Soviet politics and the principles of building socialism, which led to a slow but steady degeneration of the party’s top and defeat in the Cold War.
                It was a gradual and multidimensional, but constant process that objectively should lead to the collapse of the USSR.
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              28 September 2016 11: 51
              Quote: Odyssey
              Gorbachev tricked

              What kind of people are you who can be fooled? laughing
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                28 September 2016 21: 08
                Quote: Operator
                What kind of people are you who can be fooled?

                It was not Gorbachev who deceived (I didn’t write such a thing), but the restructuring agents deceived (this was a large part of the party’s tops). And they did not deceive me, but the former Soviet people.
                It was not the leadership of the degenerated CPSU formally building a communist society to do this.
                Yes, and they are great masters. For example, you personally continue to be cheated to this day.
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                  28 September 2016 21: 17
                  It’s clear that all around the suckers - the one you are in white laughing
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                    28 September 2016 22: 09
                    Quote: Operator
                    It’s clear that all around the suckers - the one you are in white

                    Again wrong. There are enough smart people, and compared to them I went out for a walk.
                    But the most intelligent (and the most unscrupulous) were the beneficiaries of the process. Or do you think that the former CPSU maples who became oligarchs and presidents did not understand those elementary things about which I write?
                    They understood a hundred times better than me, and perfectly guided this process.
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    26 September 2016 16: 26
    You all forgive me, but the article is feces, and the author is a contraceptive. As a Russian from Tashkent, I declare this. The author most likely has never been to the territory of Uzbekistan, but he gathered conclusions and arguments from sofa experts of different stripes and Kislov's exuberant imagination in his Fergana. I would be glad if "compulsory psychiatric treatment" was applied to all kinds of stubborn people, but alas, they still live free and "dissident". Once again, I smiled about cotton, which is massively harvested by everyone in the regions since the times of the USSR, including students, etc. (Parents talked about what a fun time it was to pick cotton in the 70s and 80s - both worked at a university), among other things in other regions they seemed to be sent for potatoes. Separately about Andijan - many thanks and a deep bow to Karimov for showing will, character and seriously and for a long time calm down these "revolutionaries" of which there were only a few locals then there. Because about "terrorist organizations based in the country" - it's just ridiculous, yes, this rubbish is burned out here with a hot iron, so it will not seem enough to anyone. Therefore, all "our" terrorists in 99.9% are sitting over the hill somewhere.
    Bottom line - enough of these stuffing! Seriously! It even becomes insulting for the resource. I haven’t been for a long time, I went in and there was such an "article" hanging ... Uzbekistan is a normal country, no worse, no better than many. With their problems, troubles and adventures. But making it something in between Ukraine, Afghanistan, North Korea and some Mozambique is already too much.
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