In the Southern Military District until the end of the year two high-powered artillery divisions will be formed.

Two self-propelled artillery battalions will be formed before the end of 2016 r in one of the artillery formations of the Southern Military District, reports press office District

“It is planned to equip one division with 240-mm self-propelled mortars“ Tulip ”, the second division will be equipped with 203-mm self-propelled artillery 2С7М“ Malka ””, - said in a release.

It is noted that "management of artillery units will be carried out using modernized commander control vehicles (CMU) 1B12М, which, along with optical reconnaissance devices, include electronic devices of topographic reference based on the global positioning system GLONASS."

In the new academic year, servicemen will begin to harmonize units and planned training in combat training.



Help press service: "2С4" Tulip "- 240-mm self-propelled mortar, the heaviest weapon in the arsenals of modern armies. With its X-NUMX-powerful B-520 diesel engine, the unit is able to move along the road at a speed of 59 km / h. Auxiliary armament is one 62-mm PCT; machine weight 7,62 tons. Crew 27 man.

2С7М "Malka" - 203-mm self-propelled artillery installation, designed to suppress and eliminate mortars, equipment, rear units, command and control troops, enemy manpower. Able to drive on the road at speeds of 60 km / h. Auxiliary armament is one 7,62-mm PCT; machine weight 46 tons. Crew 7 people.

Comments

[Andrey K]

One division is planned to be equipped with 240-mm self-propelled mortars "Tulip", the second division will be equipped with 203-mm self-propelled artillery mounts 2S7M "Malka"

Zrada ...
It is necessary to supplement with sets of diapers, for the Armed Forces (after all, the formation of self-propelled artillery divisions will be taken at their own expense) ...
Potroshenko will now start pouring boiling water over and after the next glass, prepare for the next "peremog" ...

[cat hippopotamus]

Such as zatulpanit, so the cornflowers will only fly.

[Averias]

Quote: cat hippo

Such as zatulpanit, so the cornflowers will only fly.

Here is such a cornflower:
2B9M "Cornflower" - 82 mm automatic mortar

[Professor]

Quote: Andrey K

Zrada ...
It is necessary to supplement with sets of diapers, for the Armed Forces (after all, the formation of self-propelled artillery divisions will be taken at their own expense) ...
Potroshenko will now start pouring boiling water over and after the next glass, prepare for the next "peremog" ...

The news was published at 12:47, and at 12:48 Andrei already managed to post a comment. In total, in just one minute, the couch troops of quick reaction managed to read the article, choose a quote from it, write a comment, find a suitable photo, insert it into the comment text, re-read what was written and post a comment. The record holder for ...

Connoisseurs What Where When nervously smoking on the sidelines.

[Zaurbek]

Youth is growing up .....

[Andrey K]

Quote: professor

The news was published at 12:47, and at 12:48 Andrei already managed to post a comment. In total, in just one minute, the couch troops of quick reaction managed to read the article, choose a quote from it, write a comment, find a suitable photo, insert it into the comment text, re-read the written and post a comment ...

Is there something on the topic of the article?
Do not be imposed on chroniclers, your calculations on my modest person are not interesting to me ...
PS I don’t serve on Thursdays, I tried in vain ...

[Professor]

Quote: Andrey K

Is there something on the topic of the article?

Indeed, on the subject, everything you wrote is about "diapers"? Do you earn plus signs?

[Andrey K]

Quote: professor

Indeed, on the subject, everything you wrote is about "diapers"? Do you earn plus signs?

Do you have a problem with diapers? Or with the pluses?
Relatives will buy pampers for you (maybe), but you will ask for the pluses, I will dump you ...
Is there something on the topic of the article?

[Professor]

Quote: Andrey K

Is there something on the topic of the article?

Like how about diapers and urination? I wonder what old Freud would say about this?

[Andrey K]

Quote: professor

Like how about diapers and urination? I wonder what old Freud would say about this?

You are imposed on a conversation, but alas - your phobias and the proposed topic are not interesting to me
As for old Freud (you were in such a hurry to snarl that you had done a scribble), he would say in your opinion - that you probably always lacked cookies in your childhood (either you didn’t have time or clicked your beak) ...
Therefore, you think who wrote what and forward and comment on the comments

[Professor]

Quote: Andrey K

You are imposed on a conversation, but alas - your phobias and the proposed topic are not interesting to me

What can you talk about? About diapers and urination? No, thank you.

Quote: Andrey K

As for the old man Freud (you were in such a hurry to snap back that you had done an asypkav)

No mistakes. That is how his surname Freud is written. His dad was Freud, grandfather Freud and he was Freud (Sigmund Freud, [ˈziːkmʊnt ˈfʁɔʏt]). After all, we call Moscow Moscow, and not Moscow, and Russia, and Russia, and not Russia. So with Freud.

[Andrey K]

Quote: professor

What can you talk about? About diapers and urination? No, thank you.

Your constant efforts to troll the wretched.
With her obsessive problems in urination, you need to go to the doctor olezhenka, nobody will help you here

Quote: professor

... After all, we call Moscow Moscow, and not Moscow, and Russia, and Russia, too, will be curled, and not Russia. So with Freud

I am not at all interested in what you call Freud. Or how, according to the "tumbleweed from Israel", are they called Moscow and Russia? It's really parallel to me ...
On the topic of the article is what?

[neri73-r]

This is not the main thing, the main thing is that according to the agreement, if I am not mistaken, Malka cannot be located in the European part of Russia! It looks like our openly "friends" hinted!

[Simple]

Quote: neri73-r

It looks like our openly "friends" hinted!

Yeah ... The Pentagon accused Russia of violating the CFE Treaty

[Kasym]

Neri73-r, Russia withdrew from the CFE Treaty. So in a drum that paper scrappers will declare there.
The revival of atomic artillery is planned, and who can say that the Tulip with the Peony (the largest caliber in the Armed Forces) are outdated !? These "Gods of War" have repeatedly proved that "whoever shoots farther wins".
It seems to me that at least modernization of the barrel artillery is necessary. Self-propelled guns all over. To replace an artifact because of the territory of Russia is too expensive. And different calibers are important.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

It looks like our openly "friends" hinted!

So I think that these relics are "specific goods".
I think the news is today. If so, then this is just the answer to yesterday’s decision of the lower house of the US Congress. Impromptu prepared response.
If you transfer these two divisions to the militias - this is one. And for the Russian troops, if they enter Ukraine, these two divisions of weather will not.

[electrooleg]

They themselves violate everything, pulling the armed forces to our borders, and unilaterally withdraw from a variety of peace treaties. Therefore, all this should be put on us. And still it is necessary to send missiles to Cuba.

[cniza]

Serious devices, the video is impressive.

[Zaurbek]

I would like to see the modernization of Malki with an adjustable projectile and a range of 100km that way ... it’s a pity that such trunks just disappear.

[dmi.pris1]

"Malka" as I understand it, is the modernization of the well-known "Peony". All this is good, only this weapon is about thirty years old. Perhaps it was better to put the "Coalition" into service?

[Zaurbek]

Different calibers and different capabilities .... Malka is almost a ship’s weapon. 100-120km for 203mm is a very real range. With the accuracy of GLONNAS shells, miracles can be done. Moreover, ready-made cars are in reserve.

[Art]

Do not forget about special gun shells

[dmi.pris1]

And this is not for us (we know what kind of special shells this is) .. About IT we should not forget who it is intended for.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, for a hundred km. I have not heard that this system shoots, it may be reactive. Well, if something similar to Krasnopol was developed for such a caliber, then it’s just wonderful. For Tulip, there is “Brave”.

[padded jacket]

"Malka" is firing: footage from the exercises of the gunners
"Hyacinth" is still flickering

[katalonec2014]

... and everything in the South and West direction, you can’t do without a small heap.

[Alex777]

The trunks are wonderful. The direction is correct.
The better we are ready, the less will be a dud.
Modernization is a good thing, but what needs to be used.

[Danil Laryon]

To the defense of the south

[Zaurbek]

Malka is a counter-battery fight, and the Tulip is indispensable for the assault to strengthen the areas. So judge for yourself .....

[Observer2014]

Zaurbek

Malka is a counter-battery fight, and the Tulip is indispensable for the assault to strengthen the areas. So judge for yourself .....

That's right!

[72jora72]

Quote: Zaurbek

Malka is a counter-battery fight, and the Tulip is indispensable for the assault to strengthen the areas. So judge for yourself .....

Briefly and accurately. I completely agree.

[uskrabut]

A great cure for constipation The video was impressive. Cluster mines are generally like WMDs.

[astronom1973n]

... Back in 1997, the heavy art brigade was dispersed in the garrison, where it happened to serve. The officers of this unit fired only with "good" and "excellent"! Now everything is being shaped again and given credit. The question is, why was it broken, what really worked?

[megavolt823]

therefore they broke it.

[Onotollah]

Because a bunch of effective managers led by a darn rubber product of a boriska-bruise destroyed the country's defense.
Why were the defense plants of Angarsk, Usolye-Sibirsky, Sayansk, Svirsk destroyed?

[Bloodsucker]

And this is what Chubais did with his accomplices and consultants, destroying the aiming in such a way that it was either not easy or impossible to restore. How many such plants were killed?
The plant that produced the guns in the Urals was miraculously saved when Yegorushka Gaidar, after a visit, gave it to us, we don’t need it ...

[Monarchist]

People say: "to break your mind is not required, but you try to build"

[x.andvlad]

Powerful technique.
Perhaps one of these divisions for the Crimea. Apparently, a lot of them remained in storage. Why should the good just stand there if it can serve the Motherland? And the arsenals need to be updated with something. Precision ammunition, again, needs to be trained more often. Times are difficult these days. These divisions are another big power argument for hot heads.

[Bloodsucker]

The fact of the matter is that not much ..
less than 320 in storage-2s7 (7m)
588 2s4 mortars were produced.
How much is left, after the hard times of Yeltsin’s thoughtless cutting into scrap explosives and T, one can only guess.
In addition, there is also the M240, the same Tulip, but in a non-self-propelled, trailed version, how many of them are not clear. Http://kollektsiya.ru/artilleriya/589-240
-mm-moromet-m-240.html
There is the M160, the same thing is very serious, but how many there are and where, the same is not clear.
http://kollektsiya.ru/artilleriya/588-160-mm-mino
met-m-160.html

[Alexey RA]

At the sight of 2C4 Divov immediately comes to mind - "Weapon of retaliation".

[Zomanus]

Correctly. There is nothing to rot such storage power.
And taking into account the latest means of topographic location and target designation, so in general
such a weapon turns into a powerful force ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zomanus

Correctly. There is nothing to rot such storage power.

It is necessary to send for remelting. I agree with you.

[Monarchist]

And how to fight? Enough B. N. ruined a lot of wonderful technology

[x.andvlad]

Of course, their rate of fire is not very good, because the equipment is quite old.
2C4 - 1 shot per minute, and 2C7 -1,5-2 rounds per minute. Maybe this is somehow compensated by a more advanced system of training installations for shooting and high-precision ammunition?
But if he does, then he will.

[Krabik]

When storming, special speed is not necessary.

And about cutting old stuff, I fully agree with the person above, however, before that, make a new replacement for these beautiful, but obsolete tools;)

[seregatara1969]

this is a shaped mockery of a naso-cornflower tulip acacia pinocchio (although in fact it was a little)

[Lopatov]

Damn, who needs these "Malkies"? Anyone in Freud's big problem?
It would be better if two Tulips divisions were formed.
However, they also need the deepest modernization. But at least they have prospects. Unlike "Peonies" / "Malok"

[Bloodsucker]

And what did you not like peonies with Malka?

[Lopatov]

Why are they needed? Do you want to punch the floor walls of bunkers on the Mannerheim line? There are no goals for them on the modern battlefield.

But for the 240-mm mortars, on the contrary, there are more and more goals every year. It’s just right to tow those towed from storage. If you haven’t sent everyone to the smelter

[Bloodsucker]

Well, yes .. of course, there are no goals .. So there are 152 mm, but no for 203, well, I made fun ...
Which is cheaper, one 203 mm projectile or MLRS missile, while the MLRS is by area and not covered by force, but 203 mm, although it is splinters, even a land mine, it’s cheap and cheerful, and the range is enough.
M240, and why not m160, is more mobile, faster, and the result is no less.

[Lopatov]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Well, yes .. of course, there are no goals .. So there are 152 mm, but no for 203, well, I made fun ...

I just know arithmetic. "Peony" can throw 17.8 kg of explosives per minute. "Malka" - 44.5. Unmodernized 2S19 62 kg., Modernized - 78 kg.
Moreover, the probability of hitting a target in a 152-mm self-propelled guns is more than an order of magnitude higher.
Not laughing yet?

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Which is cheaper, one 203 mm shell or MLRS rocket

There is such an unpleasant thing as counter-battery fight. "Peony" must leave the firing room after one shot, "Malka" after two. What kind of brake should the enemy be in order not to get out of the fire with such a regime of fire?
In terms of cost / effectiveness characteristics, MLRS is by far the best solution. NATO came to this in the last century, replacing the M110 with MLRS.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

M240, and why not m160, is more mobile, faster, and the result is no less.

And the result is smaller, and ammunition is long gone.

[Zaurbek]

New Malki does not make sense. They will be replaced by SPIK type ATGMs (about spike figuratively) in the long run (of different calibers and at all ranges up to 100 km) with much greater mobility and less weight, and those that have been there for another 50 years will serve. A good barrel and guided ammunition to them .....

[Lopatov]

For firing at long ranges for the eyes enough 152-mm caliber.

Missiles are an accurate thing, but the time is not far off when they will be trivially shot down, ABM battle fields are developing more actively.

Well, "Peonies" / "Malki" ... their days are over. Long ago, even before the collapse of the USSR.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Spade

For firing at long ranges for the eyes enough 152-mm caliber.

Missiles are an accurate thing, but the time is not far off when they will be trivially shot down, ABM battle fields are developing more actively.

What if we make an analogue of the American AGS with the LRLAP projectile from our 2C7? They even have almost the same weight, but in theory, based on the 203-mm caliber, a longer-range and more powerful projectile should be obtained? What if the 2S7 spits out a guided rocket projectile at 130-150 kilometers, it will contain 12-15 kg of explosives and have a CEP of 2-3 meters? It is generally impossible to shoot him down like an OTBR (Tochka, Iskander). For example, three 2S7s per minute can throw more than 100 kg of explosives on some enemy headquarters 80-100 kilometers from the front line. Is it bad? I understand that for this there are drones, aviation, ballistic missiles and even MLRS. But one more tool in addition to them, like the ability to diversify combat techniques to "extinguish" the enemy's headquarters - in my opinion is not bad.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alex_59

But what if we make an analogue of the American AGS with the LRLAP shell from our 2C7?

And why are these dances with tambourines around a frankly obsolete self-propelled guns with a non-standard caliber and frankly childish rate of fire in 2.5 shots per minute?
All new ammunition must be riveted in 152 mm caliber. We don’t have so much money to climb the 203 mm caliber.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Spade

And why are these dances with tambourines around a frankly obsolete self-propelled guns with a non-standard caliber and frankly childish rate of fire in 2.5 shots per minute?
All new ammunition must be riveted in 152 mm caliber. We don’t have so much money to climb the 203 mm caliber.

The argument is convincing, not a question. But we don’t have much money to throw out the ready-made 203 mm caliber. Of course, I understand that these are all my wet dreams, but if I unified this self-propelled gun with a new sea gun for a promising EM, and with such a projectile .... mmmmm .... yummy! Here you are already not such a piece and expensive system is obtained. It is a pity that in the real world this most likely will not happen.

[Zaurbek]

Each caliber has its own energy limit. 152 / 155mm is about 60km ... and 208mm, this figure is about 120km and the projectile weight is higher. We don’t need to climb into 208mmi, we have them and let them shoot, with modernization, a new barrel and electronics .... and a long-range projectile.

[Monarchist]

With "smart" projectiles, such barrels are possible. All the same, libiras will condemn: "militarization, n provocation, etc. With this money, you can usefully, etc."

[Zaurbek]

But I agree about the Tulip. It is necessary to make a new machine taking into account modern technologies in metals, electronics and ammunition. There will be many more urban fights ....

[Andrey K]

Quote: professor

Indeed, on the subject, everything you wrote is about "diapers"? Do you earn plus signs?

Do you have a problem with diapers? Or with the pluses?
Relatives will buy pampers for you (maybe), but you will ask for the pluses, I will dump you ...
Is there something on the topic of the article?

[72jora72]

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: professor

The news was published at 12:47, and at 12:48 Andrei already managed to post a comment. In total, in just one minute, the couch troops of quick reaction managed to read the article, choose a quote from it, write a comment, find a suitable photo, insert it into the comment text, re-read the written and post a comment ...

Is there something on the topic of the article?
Do not be imposed on chroniclers, your calculations on my modest person are not interesting to me ...
PS I don’t serve on Thursdays, I tried in vain ...

The cool guy just bought a new fan to spray the shit, so he’ll try it. Do not pay attention.

[Andrey K]

Yes, I’m kind of not worried about him

[stasevi4]

The main photograph is from the parade ground 99SAP (see equipment in 2005) of military unit 52157, which was successfully disbanded in 2009. at Serdyukov. The question is, Why !!! There was a pure art regiment. There were few of them in the country. I actively participated in the Chechen company during the storming of Grozny.

[72jora72]

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: professor

Indeed, on the subject, everything you wrote is about "diapers"? Do you earn plus signs?

Do you have a problem with diapers? Or with the pluses?
Relatives will buy pampers for you (maybe), but you will ask for the pluses, I will dump you ...
Is there something on the topic of the article?

This is a crisis of communication ......

[mr.redpartizan]

Peony has no advantages over self-propelled guns Msta-S, inferior to it in the rate of fire and security of the crew. The current level of technological development allows the creation of nuclear shells with a caliber of 152 mm or less, so the caliber of 203 mm is now excessive. The Coalition-SV has a guided projectile firing range of over 60 km, which is 1,5 times the range of the Pion. For fire at even greater distances there are MLRS Smerch and various OTRK. A volley of 12 mm MLRS shells is much more effective than two 300 kg of Peony shells in one minute. But the Tulip mortar is much more useful when storming defensive structures and is indispensable in battles in areas with difficult terrain. It would not hurt to transfer the Tulip to the Kurganets-110 or Boomerang chassis.

[Skifotavr]

If partners with the fifth column begin to stink sternly, then you are doing everything right.