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RSC Energia began a series of experiments as part of the Russian lunar program

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Press office "Roskosmos" today announced the start of an experimental series to work out human actions on the moon. For this purpose, a special stand “Selen” of domestic development is used, which allows you to create an imitation of the force of attraction on the surface of the natural satellite of the Earth.

RSC Energia began a series of experiments as part of the Russian lunar program


At one of the stages of the experimental series, 1 class instructor-cosmonaut-tester Alexander Kaleri and Mark Serov, head of the flight testing department of RSC Energia, worked out a set of motions on the lunar surface using a simulation bench. The program participants were equipped in Orlan-DM spacesuits. It is reported that the so-called moon walk was modeled, as well as the entrance / exit from the rover.

The press service of Roskosmos cites the statement of the deputy head of the STC RSC Energia on the flight and space activities of Alexander Poleshchuk:
We carry out such experiments so that the tester can then recommend something to system designers in terms of ergonomics when working on the Moon. After all, it is not easy to walk on the moon in a spacesuit - you need special vehicles or rovers, which you need to climb into, take a comfortable position, place auxiliary equipment. To practice all this requires practice.


The program also assumes the creation of special lunar space suits, which will be equipped with additional hinges, as well as modified rigid structural elements. This is necessary so that the astronaut in the event of a fall on the surface of the moon could stand up on his own feet.
Alexander Kaleri:
Tests are carried out by the Corporation as an initiative. Their goal is to familiarize themselves with the working conditions of a person on the moon and to assess human capabilities. Also, experiments will allow the assessment of work on a manned lunar mission.


For reference: the only country whose citizens landed on the moon is officially considered the United States. The first landing on the moon (exit from the lunar module of Neil Armstrong) took place on July 21 1969. The last American mission to the moon landed in December 1972 of the year. The winding up of the lunar program Washington explained at great expense.
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  1. OLD FART
    OLD FART 19 September 2016 17: 24
    +21
    Something a joke was recalled ...
    "We would have been surfing the Universe for a long time ...
    If not for the phrase of the wives "Your physics is dearer to you than me ..?"
    laughing
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 19 September 2016 17: 31
      +7
      I’ve remembered about a night flight on the Sun.
      And yes, they usually create at least technology, and then get ready, and we have everything for a turn.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 19 September 2016 17: 47
        +11
        Tests are carried out by the Corporation as an initiative. Their goal is to familiarize themselves with the working conditions of a person on the moon and to assess human capabilities. Also, experiments will allow the assessment of work on a manned lunar mission.

        They would say directly: to check the possibility of finding a person on the moon. - The Americans tensed. smile
        1. bastard
          bastard 19 September 2016 18: 47
          +11
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          : check the possibility of finding a person on the moon. - The Americans tensed.

        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 19 September 2016 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          They would say directly: to check the possibility of finding a person on the moon. - The Americans tensed.

          The Americans strained in 1969, but everything went well!
          1. Rozmyssel
            Rozmyssel 19 September 2016 20: 22
            +4
            Quote: Bayonet
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            They would say directly: to check the possibility of finding a person on the moon. - The Americans tensed.

            The Americans strained in 1969, but everything went well!


            Do you have any evidence, or so they said from a sense of American solidarity?
            By the way, muna, what is wrong in the picture-brown, when did she manage to change color?
            1. guzik007
              guzik007 19 September 2016 21: 23
              +3
              The Americans flew to the Moon, did not fly ... I recently laid out evidence from a note that they did not fly, in terms of pity, the problem of urination and calories during a week-long flight. Who is interested, look in my comments. Very interesting.: =) And an article on neighboring branches 5-6 days ago.
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 September 2016 06: 52
              0
              Quote: Thought
              Do you have any evidence, or so they said from a sense of American solidarity?

              I don’t know whether it is worth constantly proving the obvious, if limitedness does not allow us to understand request And as regards solidarity, your like-minded people would rather believe that the Mongols were the first on the moon - hatred of the Americans overshadows the mind smile
              1. Rozmyssel
                Rozmyssel 20 September 2016 08: 13
                +3
                Quote: Bayonet
                I do not know whether it is worth constantly proving the obvious, eu

                everybody says so when there is nothing to say.
                Quote: Bayonet
                hatred of americans overshadows mind

                hatred is not in the traditions of our people. Any docks are accepted, only without hysteria.
              2. region58
                region58 20 September 2016 09: 11
                0
                Quote: Bayonet
                is it worth constantly proving the obvious

                Not worth it. This is from the series "Do you have a reference?
                "
          2. Magua-xnumx
            Magua-xnumx 20 September 2016 03: 02
            +1
            Even Apollo 13?
        3. warriordima
          warriordima 20 September 2016 04: 03
          +4
          That is. Here the states curtailed the program as soon as they won the info duel for the Moon and we also turned off, because we lost.
          But the question is, why then after many years decided to resume the program?
          The suggestion is that the time has come for real, not virtual exploration of the satellite.
          1. RomanS
            RomanS 21 September 2016 09: 29
            0
            A real launch today is still too expensive. But to show the reality of preparation for foreign trade, this is the most logical explanation.
      2. Nick
        Nick 19 September 2016 17: 54
        +7
        Quote: lelikas
        I’ve remembered about a night flight on the Sun.
        And yes, they usually create at least technology, and then get ready, and we have everything for a turn.

        Everything is just the case. Prepare spacesuits and vehicles
        Quote: PKK
        Still to think how to return to the Earth

        The Americans have already decided, already in the year 1969
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 19 September 2016 18: 17
          +20
          The Americans have already decided, already in the year 1969


          Well, of course. Already countless scientific data are stored in the library of Congress .... In 2014, Orion entered an ellipsoidal orbit at the peak point of five thousand km. A mannequin dressed in a new spacesuit made of a Kevlar-cardboard-lead foil sandwich was placed in the cramped closet of the module. The short-term exposure to the radiation from the bottom layer of Van Allen turned cardboard into glucose flakes, rendering the spacesuit unusable, to the surprise of the Orion engineers, because they drew knowledge of the materials science from their meager sources of the Apollo program. Apparently the Apollo astronauts carefully classified this phenomenon, apparently they wanted to patent a quiet method of orbital baking, threw a roll of toilet paper to a height of five thousand, a completely edible strudel flies back ....
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 19 September 2016 18: 10
        +6
        Quote: lelikas
        I’ve remembered about a night flight on the Sun.


        Well and how there - on the Sun? Have you noticed any neighbors in the universe? But in vain, they were there. A picture of a huge UFO was published, which, hovering in prominences, was charged with solar energy (by the way, not only a photo, but also a video was published). And here is the photo, I give:
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 19 September 2016 22: 29
          +1
          Is there a video? And what do our astrophysicists and other big-headed guys say about this?
      4. Tusv
        Tusv 19 September 2016 18: 38
        +11
        Quote: lelikas
        And yes, they usually create at least technology, and then get ready, and we have everything for a turn.

        You think that is correct like this:
        Create equipment, and then prepare the crews, another three years or so. Well, let the equipment survive in the hangars, Then we adapt the crews with the equipment for another three years?
        You see, cosmonauts have always been trained in us and created equipment at the same time. Because it’s so right
      5. SPACE
        SPACE 19 September 2016 19: 53
        +4
        Quote: lelikas
        And yes, they usually create at least technology, and then get ready, and we have everything for a turn.

        Part of the technology has long been worked out and ready, the experience of creating prefabricated orbital stations such as Mir, Unions and Proton is more than enough for flying to the moon and back.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 20 September 2016 04: 17
          0
          So they wanted to fly, until Khrushch merged the Lunar Program through the development of an unnecessary H-1, the spacecraft for the flight to the Moon was modular both for the USSR and the Americans, before Saturn-Apollo they wanted to fly on the Lunar Gemini.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 September 2016 06: 59
            +1
            Quote: Simpsonian
            So they wanted to fly until Khrushchev merged the Lunar Program through the development of the unnecessary N-1,

            The first launch of the N-1 was carried out on February 21, 1969, Khrushchev was a long time retired and was tinkering in his garden! smile And he never spared money for space programs, he shouldn’t be blamed for that. hi
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 21 September 2016 20: 17
              0
              The official start of the development of N-1 in 1962, he still sowed corn from the Kremlin in the North.
      6. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 19 September 2016 22: 05
        +2
        Quote: lelikas
        usually they create at least technology, and then prepare, and we have everything for the turn.

        Why is it the other way around? I think everyone at the same time works for us, at least for space. But in different units!
        Yes
        Statement by Alexander Poleshchuk, Deputy Head of STC RSC Energia for Aerospace Activities:
        We carry out such experiments so that the tester can then recommend something to system designers in terms of ergonomics when working on the Moon. After all, it is not easy to walk on the moon in a spacesuit - you need special vehicles or rovers, which you need to climb into, take a comfortable position, place auxiliary equipment. To practice all this requires practice.

        what is it talking about?
        In order not to make a moon stool first, and then remake it on a moon chair!
      7. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 19 September 2016 22: 51
        0
        There is one reliable way ... Open old cabinets (if you’ve stayed from the sixties) and see, more precisely, bring to the current level all the old achievements of Soviet scientists .. EVERYTHING CREATED ALREADY ... And now it’s just cut money for scientific work ..
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 19 September 2016 19: 07
      +1
      Yes Mikhan! You don’t have to be an astronaut .. Once your wife doesn’t let me go .. And if in the topic, then yes, it is not entirely clear news. What awaits on the Moon, what features have been known for a long time, why is this preparatory work, a waste of money again in circles.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 19 September 2016 19: 39
        +3
        Interestingly, if you give as much money as the United States spent on the F-35, then enough to start production climbed. fossils on the moon? Well, the same amount of time?
        I remember the words of one of our designers: "The West allocated twelve billion for a joint station in space, but they didn't even build a model. We would have at least some of this money and the ISS would have been in orbit for a long time" (something like that) ... On F- 35 write up to 1,6 tril. dollars spent - even if only 2 times less. Inflation and all that - I understand. But the F-35 for such grandmothers ... the prison is crying for someone. hi
  2. PKK
    PKK 19 September 2016 17: 25
    +4
    Something "Energy" from the end of the beginning. First you need to check what will be left of a person after the passage of the ionization layer of radiation, they say that it takes several meters of lead to protect him. km, loses memory. And only after positive results, to think about weightlessness. Another thing to think about how to return to Earth at the 400nd cosmic speed, how to brake from which approach, there is no experience yet, no one has landed a device on Earth with such a speed. planting from 2st speed is not accurate, but with 1nd speed it is fantastic.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 19 September 2016 17: 28
      +18
      Would you like to watch Ren-TV less ....
    2. sir_obs
      sir_obs 19 September 2016 17: 44
      +2
      Or maybe they have everything else ready for a long time? I thought the mericosa and again began to panic and ask for money for the Russian threat.

      And this is the very "secret" threat that the Swedes have announced today.
    3. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho 19 September 2016 18: 21
      +2
      Barely learned to plant with 1st speed and then not exactly, but with 2nd plant it is fantastic.

      "Moon" 16, 20 and 24 with lunar soil returned to Earth from the second space. Only as a memory I don’t remember whether the jump was used there, or so it was planted, with huge overloads.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 19 September 2016 18: 31
        +4
        or so planted, with huge overloads.


        So uninhabited aircraft. They put the turtles on the water, however, on a moving one. At one the shell burst. And so normul, splashed down, current fonil dyuzhe .......
      2. Simple
        Simple 19 September 2016 19: 09
        +4
        Quote: Ajent Cho
        I don’t remember just for memory, a jump was used there

        "Jump" for AMPS "Luna" (series E-8) how is it?
        -trampoline?
        -Aerodrome (pah: cosmodrome of course) HOW TO? wassat
        and on "fuya"?
        Quote: Ajent Cho
        or so planted, with huge overloads.

        At an altitude of 20 meters (above the lunar surface) the station's speed was reduced to about 2 m / s. Here the main rocket engine was turned off and further braking took place with the help of low-thrust engines. At an altitude of about 2 meters, on command from the Kvant gamma altimeter, they were turned off, and on September 20 at 8:18 the Luna-16 automatic station made a soft landing on the lunar surface in the Sea of ​​Plenty region. In this case, the vertical speed of the apparatus at the moment of touching the surface was 4,8 m / s.
        2aya space for the Moon (if CH) = 2,4km / s, but the entry into the Earth’s atmosphere depends on many factors:
        -trajectory

        gravity maneuver
        -use of the remote control.
        The flight along the Moon-Earth highway, lasting ~ 84 hours, passed without corrections to the BP trajectory.

        24 of September 1970 of the year, the returning unit of the Luna-16 station weighing 35 kg made a soft landing in the USSR in 80 kilometers southeast of the city of Dzhezkazgan in Kazakhstan.

        ~ 3 hours before entering the atmosphere, a command from the Earth was used to separate the salvage vehicle with soil samples from the return rocket. The speed of entry into the atmosphere was 10950 m / s, followed by ballistic descent. During aerodynamic braking, overloads reached 315 units (but for a short time). When the vertical speed was reduced to ~ 300 m / s at an altitude of 15 km, a parachute system was activated, and the descent vehicle made a soft landing.

        two elastic gas cylinders filled with gas, providing the necessary position of the returning device on the Earth's surface after landing. The area of ​​the brake parachute dome is 1,5 m2, the main parachute is 10 m2.
    4. Simple
      Simple 19 September 2016 18: 40
      +7
      Quote: PKK
      after the passage of the ionization layer of radiation

      What is the ionized layer of radiation?

      Van Allen Belts?

      So two RBSP probes (Radiation Belt Storm Probes) with Relativistic Electron Proton Telescope (REPT), and even earlier Sputnik-3 (object D, product 8A91 B1-1) measured everything in 1958
      E> 1-5 MeV electrons and protons up to 2 GeV

      5 meters of water (not lead), completely quenched.
      Or ... polyethylene
      And if traetkoriya passes above RPZ?



      Quote: PKK
      they write that a person is already at 400 km, losing his memory.

      If something, then:
      -MKS (Flight data of the station Perigee 413 km Apogee 418 km), over the years there.. memory loss was not noticed
      Quote: PKK
      Still to think how to return to Earth from 2y space speed, how to slow down from what approach


      What is 2?

      SECOND SPACE FOR THE MOON = 2,4 km / s
      Apollo's "2nd space" spacecraft fell as it "climbed" above the Earth (under the influence of Earth's gravity) from 10,827 km / s to 0,893 km / s (at a distance of 353 374 km from the Earth)
      in 125 000 km from the Earth, its speed 2,131 km / s
      in 263 000 km from the Earth, its speed 1,224 km / s


      ... then it began to grow again, after passing the "equinox point" and so on up to 1,211 km / s
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 19 September 2016 19: 07
        +3
        in 1958 everything was measured


        Measure and measure, and constantly different results. Have you heard about the flashes in the layers of Vernov-Chudakov? There are even twists, you can neatly seep between them, without epic five meters of water. Only when hit the wrong way, three radiation injuries in a split second. Stretch out for half an hour, but sorry, vomiting in zero gravity is a terribly unpleasant thing. But the Americans were saved by their ignorance, the finger also bent in lunar orbit, until the fingers ended in both hands. On the legs, it was considered unethical to bend, as much as forty years. But damn it, damn it alive, the ass is also intact, what should I do, huh?
        1. Simple
          Simple 19 September 2016 19: 36
          +5
          Quote: Asadullah
          Measure and measure, and constantly different results.

          can voice the results?
          Quote: Asadullah
          Have you heard about the flashes in the layers of Vernov-Chudakov?

          List of publications of the research institute of the Moscow State University on the study of space radiation for the first 5 years of the space age?
          http://www.cosmic-rays.ru/articles/B57.pdf
          So these "flops" are 100 years old at lunch
          RBSP (Radiation Belt Storm Probes) already 3 belt recorded
          http://vanallenprobes.jhuapl.edu
          Quote: Asadullah
          There are even twists

          belay
          what "swirls" then?
          Quote: Asadullah
          three radiation injuries in a split second.

          With a single exposure, weakly penetrating radiation (soft x-ray radiation and beta particles) acting on small areas of the body does not cause serious injury, alpha particles do not cause injury at all, being delayed by the stratum corneum.
          20October .... American radio broadcasts that Gagarin is not at the 22th Congress of the CPSU, because he fell ill with radiation sickness.
          Everyone remembers this joke
          ------------------

          When irradiated in a dose of more than 2 Gy, the victims have a clear hyperemia of the skin, an injection of scleral vessels. Transient cardiac arrhythmias, autonomic disorders are possible.

          At ultra-high doses (more than 10 Gy), severe weakness, abdominal pain, indomitable vomiting, cerebral edema, and a drop in blood pressure are characteristic

          Glad, Gray - units of the absorbed dose of radiation: 1 Gy is equal to 100 rad.
          When the body is irradiated in a dose of less than 100 rad (1 Gy), they do not speak about radiation sickness, but about radiation injury.

          1 rad = radiation dose per 1 kg body weight equivalent to energy in 0.01 joule.
          1 glad = 0.01 Gr
          1 Gy = absorbed dose of radiation at which 1 J energy of ionizing radiation is transferred to an irradiated substance of 1 kg.
          1 Baer = 0,01 J / kg
          1 X-ray per hour = 0.0002777777777778 rem per second
          The maximum allowable dose for nuclear power plant workers in the United States is 5 rem per year and year-old for years throughout the work.
          Quote: Asadullah
          Stretch out for half an hour, but sorry, vomiting in zero gravity is a terribly unpleasant thing.

          Would you know what kind of water they drank ...
          The tanks of the Apollo spacecraft’s lunar cabin were filled with water enriched with elemental iodine before the flight — the concentration of I2 was 12 mg / l (12 ppm). While they started, lay down on a course and flew to the Moon, the concentration dropped to 0,5 mg / L. This water was drunk by astronauts. At the Skylab space station, the same technique was used, with the only difference being that iodine and potassium iodide solution (1: 2, with an iodine concentration of 30 ppm) was added to the water coming from the fuel cells and the iodine concentration in this water was maintained at level 0,5 – 6 mg / l.
          1. Res_Ullus
            Res_Ullus 19 September 2016 22: 52
            +2
            Would you know what kind of water they drank ...
            The tanks of the Apollo spacecraft’s lunar cabin were filled with water enriched with elemental iodine before the flight — the concentration of I2 was 12 mg / l (12 ppm). While they started, lay down on a course and flew to the Moon, the concentration dropped to 0,5 mg / L. This water was drunk by astronauts. At the Skylab space station, the same technique was used, with the only difference being that iodine and potassium iodide solution (1: 2, with an iodine concentration of 30 ppm) was added to the water coming from the fuel cells and the iodine concentration in this water was maintained at level 0,5 – 6 mg / l.

            Yeah. And after that Armstrong lived 82 of the year))) American medicine is great)))
            1. Simple
              Simple 20 September 2016 12: 02
              +1
              Quote: Res_Ullus
              Yeah. And after that Armstrong lived 82 of the year))) American medicine is great)))

              1.Tsutomu Yamaguchi (16 March 1916 gr)

              at 1945 he worked at a shipyard in Hiroshima, finding himself three kilometers from the epicenter of a nuclear explosion, he received severe burns. Yamaguchi Tsutomu went in a panic with other people by train to Nagasaki, but the Americans delivered a nuclear strike there too. He was the only person whose presence in Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the bombing is officially recognized.
              Died 4 January 2010 years in Nagasaki at the age of 93 years (they say from stomach cancer)
              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8443295.s
              tm

              2. American medicine is really great, American pharmaceuticals in general.
              3: In terms of protecting spacecraft personnel during space research, ours will be cooler: in 2015 radio protectors, we were seriously ahead of the Americans
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 19 September 2016 23: 59
            +4
            can voice the results?


            Short-lived answers on a short-lived topic are not the most rewarding place to search for the truth. From this, ribbed questions prompt the seeker to seek, this windy girl, the Truth. In other places. The figures provided by you, dear, by no means add weight to your opinion, because without difficulty they will be pushed by the texture exactly the opposite. Radiation is not just alpha radiation of electrons stripped from protons, and beta of the same protons, through too excited in a magnetic field, it is also hard X-rays, portions of the solar wind, neutrons and all this collected in an incomprehensible symphony of quantum rhythms. That is why, aircraft returned from the other side of the ionosphere are all decorated with warning icons, you understand the induced radiation. The astronaut, on the other hand, would probably have been treated for a long time, but in the end he would have been waiting for the same as the personnel of Chernobyl. About iodine from radiation, we will assume that you were joking.
            1. Erg
              Erg 20 September 2016 00: 29
              0
              Quote: Asadullah
              The astronaut, on the other hand, would probably have been treated for a long time, but in the end he would have been waiting for the same as the personnel of Chernobyl. About iodine from radiation, we will assume that you were joking.

              Completely in favor. Only "too much", sorry hi
            2. Simple
              Simple 20 September 2016 11: 53
              0
              Quote: Asadullah
              The figures provided by you, dear, by no means add weight to your opinion,

              At least I imagine something (figures, facts, logic, etc.) ... you just like that: fantasies are not supported by anything.
              Quote: Asadullah
              induced radiation you understand

              can radioactivity?

              "you understand" the induced radiation is somehow not comme il faut
              Quote: Asadullah
              it’s also hard x-rays,

              what passions.

              1967 year, July 2 in 14: 19 UTC - a short one was recorded on board the Vela-4A satellite (duration 1 s) gamma-ray burst 0,1-1 MeV./ Gamma-ray burst - a large-scale cosmic emission of explosive energy, currently observed in distant galaxies in the hardest part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
              1 MeV = 1,6 * 10 ^ -13 J is tin, moreover, lasting in 1 seconds, and even hzg and hzk are directed

              Quote: Asadullah
              About iodine from radiation, we will assume that you were joking.

              ?
              Where did I joke about iodine against radiation?
              1. Reduction in the Iodine Content of Shuttle Drinking Water: Lessons Learned, Curt J. Wiederhoeft and John R. Schultz Wyle Laboratories, William F. Michalek UMPQUA Research Company, Richard L. Sauer NASA / Johnson Space Center. UMPQUA Research Company. – 1999.

              2. Iodine for disinfection of drinking water was first used by NASA in 1969.

              ONLY in 1997, NASA experts took care of the thyroid gland of American astronauts and installed special ion-exchange and carbon filters to remove all forms of iodine from the spacecraft’s drinking water. From that moment, the diet on board was subject to the requirement of consuming no more than 0,5 mg of iodine per day.
              =================
              WHO (World Health Organization) experts have suggested that iodine doses higher than 1 mg per day be considered dangerous. In the UK, the hazardous consumption threshold begins with 0,017 mg of iodine per 1 kg of weight or more 1 mg per day
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 September 2016 20: 11
      0
      It looks like a draft of fifty years ago! wassat
    6. Koshak
      Koshak 19 September 2016 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      Something "Energy" from the end of the beginning. First you need to check what will be left of a person after the passage of the ionization layer of radiation, they say that it takes several meters of lead to protect him. km, loses memory. And only after positive results, to think about weightlessness. Another thing to think about how to return to Earth at the 400nd cosmic speed, how to brake from which approach, there is no experience yet, no one has landed a device on Earth with such a speed. planting from 2st speed is not accurate, but with 1nd speed it is fantastic.

      Once it was believed that a person would die when flying at supersonic speed.
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 19 September 2016 21: 13
        0
        Once it was believed that a person would die when flying at supersonic speed.
        -------------------------------------------------
        ----------------------------------
        Pushkin has travel notes about a trip to St. Petersburg from Moscow: "The carriage flew at such a frantic speed that my sword sticking out of the carriage knocked out a shot from the milestones. Well, something like this, in meaning.: =)
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto 19 September 2016 17: 26
    +11
    By the way, there was somewhere a video where one of the participants in the Apollo program refused to swear on the Bible that he was on the moon ... request

    I just remembered something)
    1. win
      win 19 September 2016 17: 40
      +18
      The Americans landed on the moon. They say they say - here we will have a factory, residential units here, there is a repair shop. The natives climb out: - You will not have a damn. - Why? - Yes, here some bald man flew in and said - to sow everything with corn.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 September 2016 20: 13
      +2
      Quote: DEZINTO
      By the way, there was somewhere a video where one of the participants in the Apollo program refused to swear on the Bible that he was on the moon ... request

      I just remembered something)

      On REN TV, where else! wassat
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 19 September 2016 17: 36
    +1
    Now Hollywood pushes the landing of the Russian astronauts on the moon wassat
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 19 September 2016 17: 40
    +1
    You can only dream about flying to other planets, because even a good undertaking we manage to get rid of to the point of absurdity, to say nothing of such a complex and necessary event.
  6. win
    win 19 September 2016 17: 45
    +11
    Judging by the quality of the recording of bin Laden's elimination, this was filmed with the same camera as the astronauts landed on the moon. - Yes, and probably there ...
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 19 September 2016 18: 19
      +1
      Question ?: "Was there a boy."
  7. mimus
    mimus 19 September 2016 17: 50
    +7
    Let them do it. I hope I will live to see the truth "was there a flag?" wink
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 19 September 2016 18: 25
      +1
      Let them do it. I hope I will live to see the truth "was there a flag?"


      laughing I doubt the first test flights behind the ionosphere, suddenly, as if by magic, they stop all programs. So it was with the Soviet one, the turtles flew and woke up.
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 September 2016 17: 52
    +4
    As Khoja Nasredin used to say - we hammered the peg, it remains to buy the donkey! ...
  9. My doctor
    My doctor 19 September 2016 18: 17
    +2
    A representative of NASA said that there are aliens, only they, the scientific agencies, were so carried away that they forgot to report it. The spokesperson also expressed regret that the public had a misunderstanding on this issue. And most importantly, the moon is already inhabited by brothers in mind. tongue And they were general contractors on large racks of the planet such as the pyramids. laughing . And much more where they lit up.
    PS We must urgently fly to the states, it seems there has already been legalized wassat
  10. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 19 September 2016 18: 22
    +1
    On the topic: some kind of mutaten. It seems like a distraction from something more serious.
  11. PKK
    PKK 19 September 2016 18: 31
    +4
    Quote: Muvka
    Would you like to watch Ren-TV less ....

    well, why should I look at the tip of the RTV iceberg, I myself am a Soviet-era rocket launcher engineer and can distinguish fakes from this work. I would like to ask, what kind of education do you have? I’m sure that there is no education and we learned to connect words recently.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 19 September 2016 20: 48
      +3
      I have a university degree. But the person who carries such nonsense hardly has that ...
    2. region58
      region58 20 September 2016 09: 43
      0
      Quote: PKK
      I myself engineer Soviet flood spillman

      There are all kinds of rockets ...
  12. PKK
    PKK 19 September 2016 18: 37
    +4
    Quote: Ajent Cho

    "Moon" 16, 20 and 24 with lunar soil returned to Earth from the second space. Only as a memory I don’t remember whether the jump was used there, or so it was planted, with huge overloads.

    Here is the answer to you whether they planted it or not. On this you need to sharpen your attention and find out all the same how the "Moon" was planted, otherwise our readers will not advance. And it is one thing to plant a shovel of soil and another thing to plant a gentle person. It is better to consult with specialists in ejection from airplanes.
    Here on the VO site, as it is lonely without narrow specialists, this is the unprofessionalism of the site, a narrow job.
    1. Simple
      Simple 19 September 2016 19: 44
      +2
      Quote: PKK
      .And it's one thing to plant a shovel of soil and another thing to plant a gentle person.

      One thing:
      Booster rocket: "Proton-K" with an upper stage D.
      KA mass: 5725 kg
      Mass return rocket: 512 kg
      The mass of the salvage unit: 34 kg.

      Another thing :
      Saturn V with LEM (Lunar Excursion Module)

      Again: landing on water.
      "Vostok" = 10 m / s ... but without the cosmonaut. At an altitude of about 7 km, the cosmonaut ejected through the opened special hatch, he, together with the seat, fired at special guides. After some time, the braking parachute was opened over the seat, and after a few tens of seconds at an altitude of 4 km, when the cosmonaut was separated from the seat, the main parachute of the cosmonaut was opened; the cosmonaut's landing speed was 5–6 m / s.

      No need to extinguish up to 2 – 4 m / s(speed during landing on water should not exceed 12— 15 m / s)
    2. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho 20 September 2016 11: 52
      +1
      Here on the VO site, as it is lonely without narrow specialists, this is the unprofessionalism of the site, a narrow job.

      Well, the format of the site is this - suitable only for the organization of short-term srach. No desire to write something comprehensive.
      1. Erg
        Erg 21 September 2016 22: 33
        0
        Well, the flag in hand, and the wind in ... am
  13. Danil Laryon
    Danil Laryon 19 September 2016 18: 46
    +2
    We have our own lunar program called Siberia, let's first colonize it.
  14. 3vs
    3vs 19 September 2016 18: 57
    0
    I think the arrogant Saxons will soon announce the places on the moon where they may have been a no-fly zone and
    banned there to land and walk in those areas! bully
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 19 September 2016 19: 15
      +5
      We always dreamed about the stars .... And we did a lot, the first satellite, the first man in space, the first lunar rover, etc ....
      We are still Russian romantics, and it drives progress! I am sure that we will still have a breakthrough ... love

      This cartoon of the USSR says a lot .. laughing
  15. Old26
    Old26 19 September 2016 19: 21
    +3
    Quote: PKK
    Barely learned to plant with 1st speed and then not exactly, but with 2nd plant it is fantastic.

    That's for sure. probably the landing of the "Probes" was filmed at Mosfilm ....
  16. win
    win 19 September 2016 19: 36
    +5

    Revelations of Stanley Kubrick
  17. Penzyac
    Penzyac 19 September 2016 19: 47
    +1
    Quote: lelikas
    I’ve remembered about a night flight on the Sun.
    And yes, they usually create at least technology, and then get ready, and we have everything for a turn.

    When the equipment is created, it will be too late to prepare. You need to fly already, but you are not ready yet? ...
  18. Penzyac
    Penzyac 19 September 2016 19: 54
    +3
    Quote: dmi.pris
    .... And if the topic, then yes, not entirely clear news. What awaits on the moon, what features have been known for a long time, why these preparatory work, a waste of money again in circles.

    Apparently, the Americans do not share their knowledge - probably the commercial secret of Hollywood ...
  19. PKK
    PKK 19 September 2016 20: 21
    +1
    Quote: Just

    SECOND SPACE FOR THE MOON = 2,4 km / s
    Apollo's "2nd space" spacecraft fell as it "climbed" above the Earth (under the influence of Earth's gravity) from 10,827 km / s to 0,893 km / s (at a distance of 353 374 km from the Earth)

    Well, in no way the speed of the apparatus could not fall "as it climbed." After compensating for the impact of the Earth, the 2nd cosmic speed, the apparatus falls under the influence of solar gravity, we do not know what this effect. Further, as the apparatus having a 2nd speed, did not fly past the Moon? And what should be the force of the braking to take a trajectory around the moon?
    1. Simple
      Simple 19 September 2016 21: 14
      +2
      Quote: PKK
      Well, in no way the speed of the apparatus could not fall "as it climbed." After compensating for the impact of the Earth, the 2nd cosmic speed, the apparatus falls under the influence of solar attraction,

      what
      MDA ....
      1.And does the mass of the earth affect the moon?
      So for reference on "solar": the sun attracts it 2,2 times stronger than our home planet
      2.And does the mass of the moon affect the earth?
      (ebbs and flows) ... for the globe, the magnitude of the Sun's gravitational force is almost 200 times greater than the gravitational forces of the Moon, and the tidal forces generated by the Moon are almost twice as large as those generated by the Sun

      3. Change in the force of gravity acting on the body (person) when moving away from the Earth from 700Н to ...

      4. Simple Ballistics (Dynamics, Ballistics, Motion Control) and Kepler's Laws

      5. How does it not affect?
      V = V0-at
      V0 = speed (2 KS), after turning off the main engine.
      a = e is g, which depends on the distance of the Earth’s CM. (see p.3 about a person)
      g = GM / (r + H) ^ 2
      G - gravitational constant (6.67408(31)·10−11 м3·с−2·кг−1)
      UP TO 2 COP (11,2 km / s approximately, depends on altitude)
      Apollo had ... 10,827 km / s

      Quote: PKK
      Further, as the apparatus, having 2 speed, did not fly past the moon? And

      You do not read well and are poorly informed in the essence of the matter.
      the device had AFTER the marching remote control was turned on and off.

      at a distance of 353 374 km from Earth, Apollo's speed dropped to 0,893 km / s (translating 3125 km / h)
      and a hundred meters from the moon it was already 1,211 km / s
      the AMS "Luna" (series E-8) had approximately the same parameters

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      Two cows on a farm talking:
      - Imagine, people hold us, only to milk, and then kill for meat.
      “Listen, these are your conspiracy theories!
  20. B- 3ACADE
    B- 3ACADE 19 September 2016 20: 37
    +8
    I lost faith in the fact that the Americans were 90% on the moon. After publishing materials where the astronauts immediately after landing. Peppy not a gram tired. And take a look which come from orbit now-just killed.
    And another case. Chernobl plummeted in 86. Ours asked astronauts' spacesuits from amers in the hope that they would protect the radiation. Nasa politely said that they could give radiation but they didn’t keep radiation ... as they say uuupsss.
    Now, strained in nasa - if the Russians lunched in - they will find their lunar rover and there is no evidence of Americans. ... The thought is rumored. How much the greens and nishtyaks of Russia will slobber out are Americans for supporting lunar nonsense.
    1. Erg
      Erg 20 September 2016 14: 19
      0
      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      A thought in the ear. How much the greens and nishtyaks of Russia will slobber out are Americans for supporting lunar nonsense.

      The Moscow Olympics (Cold War), lifting the energy embargo, selling wheat to the Union (almost for nothing), Nixon's "unexpected" arrival, etc. etc... wink
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 September 2016 18: 53
      +1
      Quote: B- 3ACADE
      .Our asked the amers spacesuits of the astronauts in the hope that they would protect the radiation.

      Where is this from ??? Armenian radio told? lol
  21. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 19 September 2016 20: 55
    0
    What does it mean? The US will not clog ball bearings from the accelerating trajectory? What, already for this there is no money? Or, after the drug Olympics, they all waved a hand?
    For many years there were no people wishing to fly to the moon. That is, someone might and wanted, but ... There was some very strong BUT. Which did not allow to fly to the moon. And now it’s become possible. Why?
  22. Pencil
    Pencil 19 September 2016 21: 43
    +1
    Still no horse or cart, and Roscosmos begins to write off money for a lunar walk ala Michael Jackson ... Who needs it now, if our landing on the Moon, if it happens, then not earlier than in 10 years? It seems that they are sitting there and thoughtfully picking their nose - what else would they do, what would they do, to somehow justify the payment ... If at least they made a habitable flight around the moon, it was somehow clear that it’s time to think about the prom.
    .
  23. Mentat
    Mentat 19 September 2016 23: 39
    0
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Stal
    Judging by the photo, the American "mattress" on a peg should not flutter and shrink for lack of atmosphere. It would just sag like a horseradish impotent laughing

    The flag fabric with a rather rigid reinforced mesh, the cloth was twisted into a tube and tucked into a cover. Astronauts took a nest with them, which they first inserted into the lunar soil, and then stuck a flagpole into it, and only then removed the cover. And so, when the cover was removed, the flag’s flag began to unfold under the conditions of reduced gravity, and the permanent deformation of the springy reinforced mesh created the impression that the flag was rinsed like in the wind.
    That's the whole hell! wink

    I remember in one of the portions of the revelations of revelations, it was said that the damned electrostatics were to blame for everything, because it was she, and not the winds of the moon, that rinsed the American flag.
    Now version 2 - the flag is reinforced! If it were reinforced with a large mesh, it would be visible, if very small, then the flag would remain hanging twisted in one side, not folds in different directions.

    Here is a photo where for some reason the American astronaut holds the tip of the flag, saluting. I wonder why he holds it? After all, the flag is reinforced, i.e. hard.

  24. Erg
    Erg 20 September 2016 00: 44
    +2
    This debate touches me. Well, if I said that I lifted the bar in a ton, and would offer you to prove. that I could never have ... At least a little respect for myself. I want to note that the collapse of the Union began with this selling share of the country's leadership. For anyone with even a drop of the ability to think and the beginnings of education will immediately realize that the Americans on the moon are complete bullshit. hi
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 September 2016 06: 00
      0
      Quote: Erg
      For anyone who has in their head even a drop of the ability to think, and the beginnings of education, will immediately understand that the Americans on the moon are complete bullshit.

      So try to get an education! laughing
      1. Erg
        Erg 20 September 2016 14: 27
        +2
        Bayonet. As I understand it, you are on the same team with respected Leonov and Grechko. That lucky me. Say hello to our American partners. hi
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 September 2016 18: 58
          0
          Quote: Erg
          Say hello to our American partners.

          Ok I will pass it on hi
          By the way, you can find out, if not laziness http://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/83598.html
          PS. In the USA, they consider their astronauts to be heroes, and do not pour slops on them!
          1. Erg
            Erg 20 September 2016 21: 24
            +1
            And I consider our cosmonauts heroes! Only, an astronaut is a profession, and deceit for the sake of self-interest is a character trait (not to say the essence of the soul). Or have you forgotten how the "communists" threw their membership cards into the mud when they smelled of money? .. hi
          2. Erg
            Erg 20 September 2016 21: 28
            0
            Bayonet, you can argue with 20-year-old youths, but not with people who have lived in the USSR for decades. Which have a scent for corruption in the blood.
  25. Bayonet
    Bayonet 20 September 2016 06: 04
    +3
    There are people with whom it is useless and pointless to argue! The Americans were on the Moon and this is a fact, and whoever does not believe - stay with your opinion "confirmed" by pseudoscientific calculations and fabrications. hi
    1. region58
      region58 20 September 2016 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: Bayonet
      There are people with whom it is useless and pointless to argue!

      In my opinion, it’s scary not just what they are (they were, are and will be), but the fact that ignorance is progressing at an accelerated pace. Well, no one canceled the Dunning-Krueger effect.

      PS
      The Dunning - Krueger effect is a metacognitive distortion, which consists in the fact that people with a low level of qualification make erroneous conclusions, make unsuccessful decisions and are not able to recognize their mistakes due to their low level of qualification. This leads to their overestimation of their own abilities, while really highly qualified people, on the contrary, tend to underestimate their abilities and suffer from insufficient self-confidence, considering others more competent. Thus, less competent people generally have a higher opinion of their own abilities than is characteristic of competent people, who also tend to assume that others evaluate their abilities as low as they do.
  26. mamont5
    mamont5 20 September 2016 06: 12
    +1
    Quote: lelikas
    I’ve remembered about a night flight on the Sun.
    And yes, they usually create at least technology, and then get ready, and we have everything for a turn.

    When the equipment is created, it will be too late to prepare (such preparation lasts for years) - it is necessary to fly.
  27. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 20 September 2016 06: 27
    +2
    I consider myself a patriot, but, honestly, boltology is tired. Hypersonic aircraft, superheavy rockets, lunar plans. And they themselves can’t even make the Federation in the form of a layout - everything creeps and creeps right. New modules to the ISS? Crawling to the right. Where is the hangar? Let it go once every two years - there will never be any return. Musk will launch satellites on his rotten rockets, and Roscosmos will admire the diamond hangar. Two times enchanting failure when trying to launch something above the geostationary orbit. There is not a single project that would be carried out otherwise than on paper, and which would not creep beyond any programs.
  28. Erg
    Erg 20 September 2016 15: 01
    0
    You do not need to have deep professional knowledge and several higher educations (which many boast of) in order to make a simple conclusion, observing the polemics of two luminaries of science, laureates, recognized authorities who have opposite views on the same issue - either one is wrong, or both. So where is the science, associates? Is she even there? Or only paid "scientific communities" ... In my opinion, the second. To understand this, only a horizon, curiosity and the ability to analyze are sufficient.
  29. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 20 September 2016 15: 33
    0
    Roscosmos will fly to the moon only if it lures Cameron and another 7 people for 150 million dollars. Moreover, there will be no new ship.

    There will be something like this:

    1. Phoenix
      Phoenix 4 October 2016 08: 48
      0
      What village are you from?
      Or are you out of the woods? Does it seem to you that the signal does not reach either the receivers or the television?
      Or do you still live in 1970 ???
      Have you heard about the "Vostochny" cosmodrome? He's a civilian if that. There, new missiles will be launched, such as Angara, Phoenix, and new ships of the Federation type and others.
      Yes, and that's enough. you can’t take too much information for you.
      And this is not the end (“Federation” - a series of multi-seat manned transport ships of Russia, which should replace the manned spacecraft of the Soyuz series and automatic cargo ships of the Progress series. Produced by RSC Energia named after S. P. Koroleva. "It is planned to put into orbit using the Angara-A5V launch vehicle.
      The development of the "Federation" originates in 2009, when the results of the second competition for the design of a new manned spacecraft were summed up.
      “Federation”, formerly known as PPTS, became the first spacecraft whose name was chosen by voting by the inhabitants of Russia.
      Designed for the delivery of people and goods to orbiting stations located in near-Earth orbit, flight to the polar and equatorial orbits of the Moon and landing on it
      The first spaceship equipped with a bathroom.

      on the left is the Union, in the center is the federation for near Earth orbit and on the right for near Lunar orbit. All now you will digest for a very long time)
  30. mlad
    mlad 20 September 2016 16: 03
    +1
    With space, Russia has a nightmare, rushing about for different projects, everyone pulls a blanket over himself, and as a result of not just one sensible landing project on the moon, and now there is no money even for the most economical option, and now we fly to the ISS mainly for money that paid by americans. For the state is already a shame.
    1. Erg
      Erg 20 September 2016 21: 34
      0
      There isn’t enough money to land on the moon. This is what the Yankees realized fifty years ago. We need technologies that were not and are not ...
  31. Phoenix
    Phoenix 4 October 2016 08: 28
    0
    It's good!!!
    And we will still be the first on the moon !!!
    And not figs did not fly there! If they would fly there, they would still fly there. So the nation pi .... bolov (USA), as always, everything will be visible.
    As long as there are no islands on the moon, you can use the moon as a scientific base for research both on the moon itself and for other scientific research and experiments, plus in the future as a transshipment base for flights to other planets of the solar system. You can build a telescope on the ore. And in general, we need our own space station with laboratories and everything else, we can also place a telescope at the station no worse than the hub, and will last longer and service will be easier + there will be a new profession as a space astronomer))))) There is still much to be done, for example, a hotel on stations for space tourists (at the same station there is only a separate block so that they do not intersect with scientific blocks) such as a week there and then back and generally dofig what you can do in space)))) but for starters at least fly to the moon and fly around it again)))))) And it would be nice to take care of the Earth as well, since there are still a lot of things that have not been studied and found, for example, to explore the seas and oceans, their bottom and inhabitants, caves, underground spaces. And only after that you can go to other planets for their research. ))))) Something carried me somewhere)))
    In short, the news is good. !!!