Mass media about Israel’s nuclear arsenal

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Israel has 200 nuclear units weapons, says one of the e-mails of former US Secretary of State Colin Powell, who received publicity as a result of an attack by hackers from the DCLeaks group, reports Look with reference to the newspaper Independent.

Mass media about Israel’s nuclear arsenal




“In any case, the Iranians, even if they make a nuclear bomb, cannot use it. The guys in Tehran know that Israel has 200 (charges), all are aimed at Tehran, and we have thousands. As Ahmadinejad said (Iranian President from 2005 to 2013 a year): “What should we do with it? Polish?”, ” - newspaper Powell quotes the newspaper.

As the newspaper notes, the Israeli authorities “are pursuing a policy of nuclear uncertainty,” and have never disclosed “the number and type of nuclear weapons available.”

At the same time, the newspaper continues, no one had any doubt that Israel was well armed.

“Vzglyad” recalls that in June Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared the authorities’s readiness to ratify the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT), which has already been ratified in a number of states, including and in Russia.

Earlier, the Stockholm World Research Institute (SIPRI) published data according to which “at the beginning of 2016, Russia, the United States, Great Britain, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea had around 15 395 nuclear weapons”, of which in operational readiness - about 4120 units.
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  1. +12
    17 September 2016 11: 32
    Everyone boils on Iran, and forget about Israel
    1. +8
      17 September 2016 11: 46
      This "secret" has long been known to everyone, but tension in this region can lead to disaster.
      1. +20
        17 September 2016 12: 14
        Quote: cniza
        This "secret" has long been known to everyone

        And here is a terrible secret:
        All religions are based on prophecies, and they must periodically come true at least a little, otherwise the dogma is thrown into the trash. According to the most respected prophets laughing An Armagedets will happen there and apparently soon, will it be an explosion of thermonuclear munition or another type (maybe thorium technology) of mass destruction. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon
        Moreover, the disposal of the Antichrist, who will gather all his army on earth, will receive a blow from the unfolding heaven ... His name is written on his clothes and on his thigh: "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" ... In short, on board the warhead - "Made in Russia" laughing ... Urgently evacuate Professor Igor 67 and Voyaku, but figs with him and Pupyrchaty with Atalef and Aaron laughing
        1. +11
          17 September 2016 12: 31
          Vague doubts torment me.
          Firstly, the very presence of 200 nuclear charges.
          Secondly, their age is suitability for use.
          And thirdly - what kind of assault weapon in the ass? If such a small country like Israel is covered by a massive nuclear strike by another country, then where will the retaliatory strike come from?

          P.S. Colin Powell - is that the scumbag who gave the laundry detergent as a chemical weapon?
          But is he now giving out 200 barrels of waste for 200 superbombs?
          1. +2
            18 September 2016 09: 13
            From the sea, my friend, from the sea. KR with nuclear warhead (range of 1500 km) from 5-6 diesel submarines from the Mediterranean region.
            1. +3
              18 September 2016 13: 27
              Well, firstly, it's just a diesel engine with torpedo tubes - their range is limited. There are few snows themselves - their ammunition is very small (these are not strategic missile carriers with their clip of 20 ICBMs)
              Yes, they can theoretically launch submarine-launched cruise missiles. The presence of such missiles in Israel has not been confirmed - the United States never sold them the tomogavs. The Israelis said something about "popai", but this is from the category of test tubes with white powder.

              Even if they really have such cruise missiles - the same Iran, it will be inaccessible to half the territory. Pakistan and India are inaccessible in principle. Who else has / is supposed to have nuclear weapons? Saudis, Qatar - how are possible candidates for the purchase? difficult targets too.
              The cruise missile itself will be brought down without any problems by modern long-range or medium-range air defense — which all states possessing nuclear weapons have without exception.

              All in all, Israeli nuclear bombs are more likely to scare those who don't have nuclear bombs.
              1. +1
                18 September 2016 21: 47
                P type Papayas or super papayas with Ukrainian turbojet engines, range of 1500 km ... radius of destruction, about how they shot from the Caspian ...
              2. 0
                18 September 2016 21: 52
                in defense against the Kyrgyz Republic, the very problem is to detect them, but there’s not enough time to bring down time. Moreover, the air defense of the Russian Federation is more likely an exception than the norm for other countries ...
        2. +12
          17 September 2016 13: 00
          Quote: hrych
          ... Urgently evacuate Professor Igor 67 and Voyaku, but figs with him and Pupyrchaty with Atalef and Aaron

          Don't worry about these. They feel danger with their ass. Dump themselves 20 minutes before the end. In these 20 minutes, they will have time to "reach the Canadian border."
          1. 0
            17 September 2016 20: 07
            Then it’s not theirs, but the Iranian elite
        3. +13
          17 September 2016 13: 09
          Quote: hrych
          Urgently evacuate Professor Igor 67 and Voyaku, but figs with him and Pupyrchaty with Atalef and Aaron laughing

          But who needs them then?
          In the territory of the current regime of Tel Aviv, it is mainly those Jews who were not allowed into Europe and the USA that live and specially prepared for them to die in a simple or nuclear war, protecting the interests of rich and successful Jews living in prosperous countries of the world.

          Quote: article
          Israel has 200 nuclear weapons

          But this is the most interesting - why is the Israeli regime so many nuclear warheads? Indeed, from Muslim countries (sort of like enemies of the Jews), only Pakistan has nuclear weapons, and even then it has no means of delivery at such a range.
          And there is only one answer - the Israeli regime is preparing its nuclear arsenal in order to strike at Russia from Washington. He is also preparing delivery vehicles for a nuclear strike, testing intercontinental ballistic missiles under the guise of launching satellites.
          And judging by the way he conducts an aggressive and unpredictable policy in the world, as well as the support of the Israeli regime for terrorism, these assumptions look quite real. By the way, let's not forget about Tel Aviv's testing of "dirty" nuclear devices that they develop and test for further transfer to fanatical killers from various terrorist groups in order to unleash various provocations in the world
          Israel experienced "dirty bombs"
          1. +5
            17 September 2016 13: 31
            Quote: quilted jacket
            protecting the interests of rich and successful Jews living in prosperous countries of the world.

            There is an interesting aspect, according to the prophecies, all the elect should gather in one place, i.e. in Palestine, and how they will go there voluntarily if everything is fine in the EU, USA, Brazil and the Russian Federation, there is one option - they will simultaneously be oppressed everywhere, like the elite during the destruction of the World Order, and this will force them to escape under the protection of Moshiach and these charges but then Armageddon will happen ...
            1. +6
              17 September 2016 14: 05
              Quote: hrych
              There is an interesting aspect, according to the prophecies, all the elect should gather in one place, i.e. in Palestine, and how they will go there voluntarily if they are doing well in the EU, USA, Brazil and the Russian Federation, there is one option - they will simultaneously be oppressed everywhere

              In general, Armageddon is the last battle between God and the devil.
              And there are different opinions on which side the Jews will be, but judging by their actions today, it seems not on the side of Good.
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              2. 0
                17 September 2016 20: 37
                quilted jacket That's how the kneading goes on the side, well, a very interesting topic hi
            2. +1
              17 September 2016 20: 42
              grub Here, as they say, a person suggests, but God disposes!
          2. +2
            17 September 2016 19: 07
            One said nothing about what, and the rest did not pay attention. But Pupyrchaty for some time became a Russian. He is among the few who truly returned to their homeland.
          3. +1
            18 September 2016 13: 25
            It’s ridiculous to think that the United States has few of its warheads, along with the French and British, so that Israel is also included in our nuclear attacks. And why is there so much - well, if only because the population of Israel is only 8 million, but also of Egypt - 88 million, Iran - 78 million, Syria was 18 million .. The concept of unacceptable damage for these countries is much higher than for Israel itself, so they are forced to build up their arsenal to compensate for the numerical superiority of potential opponents.
        4. +9
          17 September 2016 15: 03
          Thanks, at least someone took care drinks good
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    3. +2
      18 September 2016 12: 41
      Arabs will crush Israel from the inside. Already now the grim majority are people from Morroco, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Ethiopia. Yes, and Neher Israel was to help Georgia and Ukraine against Russia.
  2. 0
    17 September 2016 11: 36
    Where are they so much? they will tear anyone in their region anyway.
    1. +5
      17 September 2016 11: 51
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Where are they so much? they will tear anyone in their region anyway.


      in writing End of time it is written that the tiger will lie next to the lamb.
      they say that Ben Gurion said that if the end of time comes, he prefers to still be a tiger rather than a lamb.
      1. +2
        17 September 2016 13: 17
        They want to see Russia as this tiger! But we do not fit ... Let the US be better for them! Everyone will be better.
  3. +4
    17 September 2016 11: 37
    In addition to Israel, South Africa is very likely to have nuclear weapons. It all spread around the world ..
    1. +2
      17 September 2016 11: 45
      Together with South Africa they did.
    2. +3
      17 September 2016 11: 50
      Quote: dmi.pris
      In addition to Israel, South Africa is very likely to have nuclear weapons. It all spread around the world ..

      Soon to appear in Ukraine ... Israel will allocate! We need to wet all of them ... Then it will be too late men ...
      1. +10
        17 September 2016 11: 56
        Mozart, today is a day off (I'm really at work), pull a glass, you’re aggressive in the morning .. And then dunk everyone ... At once. Maybe it’s in turn ..
        1. +6
          17 September 2016 12: 23
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Mozart, today is a day off

          Meehan, like a Phoenix bird, periodically burns himself, but is regularly reborn from the ashes under a new nickname. Vitaliy You didn’t seem to be as aggressive before as health, by the way, do not hurt, take care of yourself.
          1. +4
            17 September 2016 13: 59
            Quote: Anatole Klim
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Mozart, today is a day off

            Meehan, like a Phoenix bird, periodically burns himself, but is regularly reborn from the ashes under a new nickname. Vitaliy You didn’t seem to be as aggressive before as health, by the way, do not hurt, take care of yourself.

            Alive so far ... I shoot back as I can! bully
        2. +5
          17 September 2016 15: 46
          So I saw pulled already, and not one.
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        1. +2
          17 September 2016 14: 06
          Quote: lexa333
          Starter, kill yourself.

          I tried, it does not work ... hi Oh, I would pulit ..)))) And away we go ... Hop hop!
          1. +1
            17 September 2016 15: 53
            Vitaly, Pushkin Balda decided to stay on the "Day of Peace" - Shabbat. laughing
            Balda, without arguing with the priest in vain,
            Went, sat down by the sea;
            There he began to twist the rope
            Yes, its end in the sea to wet.
            Here the old Bes crawled out of the sea:
            “Why did you, Balda, crawl into us?” -
            “Yes, with a rope I want to wrinkle the sea
            Yes, you damned tribe, writhe. "
            As for the Middle East, he’s wrong, Vitaly, there blood has been pouring for centuries, including because of Christians.
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  4. 0
    17 September 2016 11: 45
    like dofiga and it seems like a nuclear weapon needs a sour infrastructure. sit, wait, who will say something
    1. 0
      18 September 2016 14: 56
      Surprise that no, not needed! The myth of the super-complexity in the manufacture of a nuclear charge was created in those days when the nuclear powers were still trying to combat the proliferation of nuclear weapons. And dirty bombs generally require a minimum of knowledge and access to fissile materials.
  5. +1
    17 September 2016 11: 51
    Nowadays it is not enough to have a vigorous bomb, the main thing is the means of delivery. Iran, like the DPRK, South Africa, Pakistan and India, has a problem with this, which makes their nuclear attempts pretty daunting, though. Time will tell.
  6. 0
    17 September 2016 12: 02
    What Israel 200 charges to make, where he how much plutonium and Uranus made?
    1. +8
      17 September 2016 12: 08
      Quote: certero
      What Israel 200 charges to make, where he how much plutonium and Uranus made?

      Israel has never recognized the existence of nuclear weapons. Maybe we don’t have it.
      1. +2
        17 September 2016 12: 35
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Maybe we don’t have it.

        Nus is possibly impossible))
        In Azerbaijan there was also a group of people who said Russia was not the enemy of Azerbaijan, he wants to help. The Armenians will never have Iskandera and blah blah. Yeah, the Iskanders and a bunch of other interesting things were transferred to Armenia for free and goodbye to Karabakh for another 10 years, if not more.
        Hope for the possible arrival of the Israeli Prime Minister and possible military treaties with Israel.
        And after that it is the United States and Turkey that instigated the conflict and the State Department washes the brains of Azerbaijanis in dislike of the Russian Federation))
        1. +2
          17 September 2016 13: 35
          Quote: Yeraz
          In Azerbaijan there was also a group of people who said Russia is not an enemy to Azerbaijan; he wants to help

          So Russia is not an enemy of Azerbaijan, just before violating the unwritten agreements with Armenia regarding the NKR, think about what they might just give you a kick for starting a war ..
          1. +1
            17 September 2016 14: 54
            Quote: quilted jacket
            So Russia is not an enemy of Azerbaijan

            Russia prevents the return of Karabakh.
            Quote: quilted jacket
            you just before violating the unwritten agreements with Armenia regarding the NKR, think about what they can just give you a kick for starting a war ..

            unwritten arrangements ???? That you probably signed them))
            I have nothing to argue with you. Well, even in the bad you can look for the positive. Now even those who believe in peacekeeping in Russia have understood everything and there will be even greater integration with Turkey and Israel. And Russia is only the economy. Although this is a corrupt power, it will be possible in the future to purchase Russian weapons.
            1. 0
              17 September 2016 15: 13
              Quote: Yeraz
              Russia prevents the return of Karabakh.

              Forget about the NKR, it will never be yours.
              Quote: Yeraz
              unwritten arrangements ???? That you probably signed them))

              I wrote - unwritten agreements, that is, in fact, the preservation of this provision orally.
              Quote: Yeraz
              I have nothing to argue with you ..... And Russia is just an economy

              Look, look, just do not forget that half of your Azerbaijan feeds on Russian markets laughing
              Quote: Yeraz
              and there will be even greater integration with Turkey and Israel

              But where are you going to get from us? Azerbaijan without bankruptcy.
              But the fact that you are cooperating with the Israeli regime suggests that your country is increasingly slipping on the side of the enemies of our country.
              But this is temporary and you will understand that it is better to be friends with Russia.
              1. +1
                17 September 2016 15: 25
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Forget about the NKR, it will never be yours.

                Oh well.
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Look, look, just do not forget that half of your Azerbaijan feeds on Russian markets

                hmmm yes really ?? polls considered ??
                Quote: quilted jacket
                But where are you going to get from us? Azerbaijan without bankruptcy.

                You do not confuse us with some rogue "allies".
                Quote: quilted jacket
                But the fact that you are cooperating with the Israeli regime suggests that your country is increasingly slipping on the side of the enemies of our country.

                And it’s the merit of the Russian Federation that they’re doing the right thing. Poor Aliyev and so on to Russia and this way, and his kicks back and forth. Here comes a nationalist or Islamist, then you will know the value of Azerbaijan.
                Quote: quilted jacket
                But this is temporary and you will understand that it is better to be friends with Russia.

                No, Russia has shown that it’s better not to quarrel with it openly, like Georgia and Ukraine, but to quietly go as far as possible and this is the safest option.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2016 15: 49
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Oh well.

                  Yes, and you will even be against the NKR - zeros as proved earlier.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  hmmm yes really ?? polls considered ??

                  Why count it? Go to any market in Russia, the sellers on it are almost the only Azerbaijanis.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  You do not confuse us with some rogue "allies".

                  Yes, you are the very "rogue" who pull money out of Russia while looking towards the West.
                  Do you think he will help you? Yes, he will throw you as soon as he uses at his discretion.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  And rightly so do the merit of the Russian Federation

                  Yes, look at the West and Israel then awake your elbows to bite and ask for forgiveness.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  but quietly go as far as possible yes this is the safest option.

                  Go away, go away "quiet people" you are ours lol
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2016 22: 21
                    Padded jacket, you turn out to be Armenian. Well, right, Armenia is Iran’s closest ally.
                    1. 0
                      17 September 2016 22: 44
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      Padded jacket, you turn out to be Armenian

                      Go Kaiten, sleep better or you already have confused thoughts lol
                      1. +1
                        18 September 2016 08: 33
                        Padded jacket (or Ashot), do not forget about the tablets
                    2. 0
                      18 September 2016 15: 49
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      Padded jacket, you turn out to be Armenian.

                      Kaiten,
                      In Armenian, the same padded jacket will be բամբակաբաճկոն (bambacabachcon) laughing
            2. 0
              17 September 2016 21: 49
              Yeraz Essentially, this is for you to ensure that there is no stupidity with human sacrifice! Libra. You don’t worry, you will soon live in one state.
        2. 0
          17 September 2016 13: 51
          Where did the infa come from that Iskander was handed over to Armenia? Is the Armed Forces of Armenia already available? But only pliz is not from the category "Ashot told the Azeris kirdyk", or Mamed said "everything was gone, we were betrayed by the Russian Federation again" signs of the Armed Forces of Armenia.
          1. 0
            17 September 2016 14: 22
            Quote: Lek3338
            A real source of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation or video photo proof of the technique itself with the distinguishing marks of the Armenian Armed Forces.

            The rehearsal of the parade there goes where there are Iskander Tornadoes of Infauna and the fact that we delivered them to Armenia correctly.
            1. +2
              17 September 2016 18: 20
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Lek3338
              A real source of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation or video photo proof of the technique itself with the distinguishing marks of the Armenian Armed Forces.

              The rehearsal of the parade there goes where there are Iskander Tornadoes of Infauna and the fact that we delivered them to Armenia correctly.

              Padded jacket, that something scares me, you wish death to your Motherland
              1. +5
                17 September 2016 19: 03
                igor67 --- Religious obscurantists do not have a nationality for them, some Papuan from Africa, but their religion is a BROTHER. And their own blood, their own nation, their own relatives, if they do not follow the "truth", are at least lost. In this, all the religious obscurantists of the world (their fanatical part), Jews, Shiites, Sunnis, Christians are IDENTICAL. Small people are characterized by quality and the desire to associate themselves with SOMEONE global and all people always want change. But the difference between obscurantists is that, economic, material interests, which the locomotive for the better changes does not excite them. They isolate themselves, they are categorical, their own or someone else's, and their changes are usually for the worse. Because These "creatures" believe in an afterlife, and they DO NOT WANT to develop, build a future for their children in this world. It is good that the most ardent of these obscurantists strive to quickly leave this world, but it is bad that they want to take someone with them. They cannot commit suicide (forbidden), therefore they die "martyrs "but when they leave they leave behind innocent tears. The structure is so rotten, what can you do!
              2. +4
                17 September 2016 19: 21
                The only plus of the current power of Azn, despite the monarchy, clanism, the inept use of the country's resources, propaganda, corruption, INCLUDING SECONDARY people. If suddenly nationalists come to power with a sick ideology similar to religious nonsense, to unite all the Turks and the construction of some incomprehensible structure, of which KIRDYK will be immeasurable. If Shiite fanatics suddenly come to power, the themes of which are only Ali Huseyn and Zehra are Iranian lovers, then there will be KIRDYK. .And looking at the current government there is at least a hope that we will not be SYRIA, and there is a hope that people who have not changed the helm at the helm will have BUILDED for decades or get their minds. And it’s not the sporting events and the forums that they will begin to launch, but the withdrawal of the economy from oil and gas dependence.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2016 20: 54
                  Quote: Lek3338
                  .And looking at the current government there is at least a hope that we will not be SYRIA, and there is a hope that people who have not changed the helm at the helm for decades will look or gain their mind

                  Just these same people are the reason for the appearance of all those elements in their most nasty form in which they can be. as long as there is this power, there is a great probability that Panturkism will appear in its most terrible form, when everything except the Türks is nothing. When, instead of the appearance of Islam, where we are all Muslim brothers, there is a huge probability of appearing either All for Ali or against, or everyone is obligated to pray like that, and not so. Therefore, we hope that there will be a power that will not provoke these phenomena, but rather be a force that will accumulate the best moments of different groups and currents.
                  Quote: Lek3338
                  And it’s not the sporting events and the forums that they will begin to launch, but the withdrawal of the economy from oil and gas dependence.

                  Well, here they were already forced)) Slowly they begin, since they can no longer afford.
              3. 0
                17 September 2016 20: 52
                Quote: igor67
                Padded jacket, that something scares me, you wish death to your Motherland

                What kind of homeland is that?
                Have you drunk in the morning? lol
          2. 0
            17 September 2016 14: 50
            Quote: Lek3338
            Eraz from where infa that Iskander was transferred to Armenia?

            Yesterday there were photos from the rehearsal of the parade in Armenia, here, by the way, infa also passes in the lower corner.

            Armenia first showed its “Iskander” PHOTO
            16 September 2016, 23: 15

            At the rehearsal of the military parade in Yerevan, the latest weapons systems were demonstrated, which were brought to Armenia from Russia. We are talking about the Iskander operational-tactical missile system.



            The streets of the Armenian capital were also driven by 9K58 Smerch multiple launch rocket systems with a range of 90 km, Buk M2 air defense systems and the upgraded S-125 Pechora-2M2, which supplemented the existing S-300PS.

            Another novelty of the parade was the Infauna electronic warfare system based on the BTR-80.



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        3. +2
          17 September 2016 15: 45
          Quote: Yeraz
          In Azerbaijan there was also a group of people who said Russia was not an enemy of Azerbaijan

          And who attacked whom? Azerbaijan to Armenia or Armenia to Azerbaijan?
          Quote: Yeraz
          and there will be even greater integration with Turkey and Israel

          I can’t talk about Israel, but integration with Turkey will end in the absence of Azerbaijan.
          1. 0
            17 September 2016 17: 52
            Quote: Dart2027
            And who attacked whom? Azerbaijan to Armenia or Armenia to Azerbaijan?

            Armenia occupied 20% of the territories, well, you will think about who. Who is it? The Armenian subdivisions are in Karabakh, and not the Azerbaijani ones in Armenia.
            Quote: Dart2027
            I can’t talk about Israel, but integration with Turkey will end in the absence of Azerbaijan.

            Well, if there is no entry into Turkey, then many will be glad of this, but not all. Although this will not happen to the current level of Turkey, not a single country will allow it, and even more so to Azerbaijan. Because of Iran, the Turks cannot fully get visas because of corruption in Azerbaijan, the Turks cannot reduce the requirements for citizenship for the residents of Azerbaijan, since all of Azerbaijan will immediately move to Turkey, which Turkey does not need. Azerbaijan does the same for Georgian Azerbaijanis. This is a single center and artificially impedes reunification .
            1. 0
              17 September 2016 19: 46
              Quote: Yeraz
              These are Armenian subdivisions standing in Karabakh.

              Well, Karabakh was a part of Armenia. Thanks to the creators of the Azerbaijan SSR who included him there. In addition, now they started to fly from Azerbaijan.
              Quote: Yeraz
              Well, if under will not be part of Turkey, then many will be glad of this

              The Turks are not Russian, so the joy will not last long.
              1. 0
                17 September 2016 20: 57
                Quote: Dart2027
                Well, Karabakh was a part of Armenia.

                When was it part of ?? At least you read the documents when creating the Azerbaijan SSR and the Armenian SSR and how, what lands were transferred to.
                Quote: Dart2027
                The Turks are not Russian, so the joy will not last long.

                Yes, only we are TURKS. That your beloved Stalin called us all Azerbaijanis, we did not become Azerbaijanis. When we called ourselves Turks, the Turks called themselves Ottomans. And we are not strangers there. Nobody speaks there, they say Azerbaijani, they say Azeri-Turk. And by the way, take an interest in what the Azerbaijanis of Iran call themselves will be very surprised.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2016 21: 14
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  When was it a part ?? Have you ever read the documents when creating the Azerbaijan SSR and the Armenian SSR and how, what lands were transferred to

                  And you do not know that the Armenian state appeared long before the creation of all these Soviet Socialist Republics. As I wrote
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Thanks to the creators of the Azerbaijan SSR
                  And the Armenians live there.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Yes, only we are TURKS. That your beloved Stalin called us all Azerbaijanis, we did not become Azerbaijanis. When we called ourselves Turks, the Turks called themselves Ottomans.

                  That is, you are a different people, and not those who are themselves called the Ottomans? Well, that's what they say.
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  And there we are not strangers. There no one speaks Azerbaijanian, but they say Azeri-Turk.

                  Yeah. AND Ukraine - Central Europe... It was in the USSR that the "fraternal peoples" lived better than the Russians, and in other countries there will be no such freebies.
                  1. 0
                    17 September 2016 21: 45
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Yeah. And Ukraine is Europe.

                    what does it mean ?? ask the Armenians and all other peoples what they call Tipo Azerbaijanis in everyday life, everyone calls them Turks, only changes their names taking into account the specific language of different people. Armenians and right now always call Turkes, Talysh Turk, etc.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    It was in the USSR that the "fraternal peoples" lived better than the Russians,

                    Lord, don’t tell me laugh. Yes, in the USSR, many did not know the Russian language and the country was conditionally united. In those parts where my relatives came from, people lived in the mountains in difficult conditions, like most. Everyone plowed like dogs. the capitals of these Soviet Socialist Republics, people lived normally, where the Russians accounted for a significant share, did not mean that all residents lived like that.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    and in other countries such a freebie will no longer be.

                    Once again I say in Turkey, we will dissolve in the second generation, since there are 1 people. And the language is the same. I would have gone to Turkey for a long time, but I understand perfectly well that my child will be a Turk there and he will be able to keep in touch with his relatives everything will disappear. And provided that I am such a conservative and patriotic motherland. Others who have not yet given birth to a child will dissolve there, because a very close environment that absorbs in an instant.
                    And in Russia I’m the 3rd generation, but I have remained what I am, because there is an alien environment in all respects (faith, language, appearance, etc.) and therefore you are not particularly assimilated here. In Turkey, this will not happen.
                    1. 0
                      17 September 2016 21: 51
                      You.

                      Quote: Yeraz
                      since there is an alien environment in all respects (faith, language, appearance, etc.)
                      1. 0
                        17 September 2016 22: 00
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        You.

                        What are you? I’m wrong about something? How many Belarusians will feel like living in Russia and Azerbaijan in Azerbaijan ?? Here, the same thing with Azerbaijan and Turkey is closer in terms of language than Russia and Belarus.
                    2. 0
                      17 September 2016 23: 05
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      what does it mean ?? ask the Armenians and all other peoples, what they call everyday life like Azerbaijanis, everyone calls the Turks

                      Do the Ottoman Turks themselves know about this?
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      The fact that people lived normally in the capitals of these Soviet Socialist Republics, where the Russians made up a significant share, did not mean that all the inhabitants lived like that.

                      Yeah. I found the USSR lived in the RSFSR and I remember very well that just the Russians did not live better than anyone else.
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Once again I say in Turkey, we will dissolve in the second generation, since 1 people. And the language is the same.

                      How many years all sorts of Turkic peoples were part of the OI and something did not dissolve.
                      1. 0
                        18 September 2016 11: 23
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Do the Ottoman Turks themselves know about this?

                        God, you don’t own the topic at all. They know this very well. They are our name Azeri-Turk or just a Turk. And the Azerbaijanis in Iran just call themselves Turks, because the Soviet propaganda with the name Azerbaijani was not there.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        How many years all sorts of Turkic peoples were part of the OI and something did not dissolve.

                        Well, you, too, do not lead all the Turkic people one by one. They are also close in different ways. I will not dissolve in Kazakhstan, because they are Kipchaks and are purely anthropologically different. They are less close than the Turks of Anatolia. And the Meskhetian Turks did not dissolve much, but In Azerbaijan, almost the first generation disappeared after the expulsion from Uzbekistan, because they are closer to us both externally in language and culture.
                        And in fact, at the moment, the peoples closest in all respects among the Turkic countries are us and the Turks, well, the Meskhetian Turks, who disappear partly in Turkey, partly in Azerbaijan, because the environment is very close to them, so they absorb quickly.

                        And you want to send you the passports of the inhabitants of Azerbaijan until the age of 37, while Stalin did not make all Azerbaijanis ??
        4. +3
          18 September 2016 00: 33
          who said Russia is not an enemy of Azerbaijan
          SW Yeraz you are an adult, educated and well-read person. Russia will do what is beneficial to it. What other language has the concept of quit? That and that.
          1. 0
            19 September 2016 10: 26
            Quote: tilix
            SW Yeraz you are an adult, educated and well-read person. Russia will do what is beneficial to it. What other language has the concept of quit? That and that.

            So I understand this, therefore, it is necessary to build a policy based on this. And in the majority with regard to Azerbaijan, it is beneficial to Azerbaijan that is beneficial to it. But there is a category of people who believe in the friendship of the Russian Federation (their scanty) in the real possibility of peacekeeping in the Russian Federation more, but also few) and those who thought that by buying a large number of weapons from the Russian Federation, you can agree on the method of bribery. But all this is fantastic. We must build a policy based on the fact that Russia is the main obstacle to the return of land. And stop to buy Russian weapons and to build a policy tougher with regard to the problem of land return. Do not go crazy like Saakashvili reducing the role of the Russian Federation and raising the United States too, but quietly and peacefully clear policy and minimal dependence on military-technical cooperation.
      2. 0
        17 September 2016 13: 06
        Everyone knows that he is not. This is a reservation.
      3. +3
        17 September 2016 13: 23
        Yeah, and a textile mill in Dimon probably produces terry towels. I believe. And the French under De Gaulle did not help build anything. And on September 22, 1979, no one experienced anything. Well, I really believe. And no one received uranium from South Africa. Well, I really believe. belay
      4. +5
        17 September 2016 13: 32
        In 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, a former employee of the Dimon Nuclear Research Center, announces to the world that Israel is pursuing a nuclear program and possesses nuclear weapons.
        Upon learning of his dismissal, Vanunu carried a camera to the center and shot 57 frames of the secret compartments of the nuclear center in Dimon and later handed these over to the press.
        Even before the London Sunday Times published an article about it, Vanunu was kidnapped in 1986 by Mossad agents in Rome and sent to Israel, where he was found guilty of treason during a closed trial.
        Well, there was probably no such thing. I believe. lol
  7. +6
    17 September 2016 12: 03
    I have no doubt that Israel has nuclear weapons, since it needs it to deter not quite adequate neighbors.
    1. +3
      17 September 2016 12: 21
      Quote: Lord Blacwood
      I have no doubt that Israel has nuclear weapons, since it needs it to deter not quite adequate neighbors.


      is logical. but in principle, onda only the faith of neighbors in nuclear weapons of Israel in itself restrains.
    2. +1
      17 September 2016 13: 03
      As if Israel is the best neighbor in the world. Iran and Israel are each other, the same goes for the SA. Three of these Middle Eastern vultures dominate their region, and have gnawed many throats and killed many souls. Somewhere justified, somewhere not, but the point is that none of these countries can be called "good-neighborly", and their adequacy is expressed in cold-blooded cruelty and lack of principle. Therefore, Israel is not so much holding back someone as playing the game: "Whoever ate it first did it." Therefore, you should not feel any special reverence for the Jews in this situation (as well as for any others).
      1. +5
        17 September 2016 13: 50
        Quote: Mercenary from Leningrad
        Therefore, Israel is not so much holding back someone as playing the game: "Whoever ate it first did it."


        You are absolutely right. this is the oldest game in which people, the animal world play and .. you will be surprised, even the matter / energy of the universe itself.

        ps all white and fluffy have long been eaten.
        1. +3
          17 September 2016 14: 08
          Yes, the world lives by the rule of the strong! The weak are devoured, but at the same time, as they say beautifully, you will listen and brush off a stingy tear! Altruists help everyone!
        2. 0
          18 September 2016 13: 29
          It's great that we understand each other well. And sometimes it looks very comical, as people with the "Holocaust syndrome", having washed their elbows in blood, try to present themselves as the same victim and a positive character. That the Arabs, that you, are all equally good.
  8. 0
    17 September 2016 12: 34
    1. the government of Israel is not sitting in Jerusalem - if this is not clear to someone
    2. vigorous loafs were given to the packs and Jews as a gift to the usa, india and koreans - ussr
    3. if a local vigorous war happens, only the Shaolin monks will survive
  9. +6
    17 September 2016 13: 01
    Quote: Arameev
    Israel needs a retaliatory weapon.

    He smiled about the "weapon of retaliation." Who will be responsible if even one missile with a nuclear warhead arrives at you? We would speak honestly - to support the pants and to build a "goat" for neighbors. And then for a retaliatory strike.
    1. +1
      17 September 2016 19: 28
      Quote: rotmistr60

      He smiled about the "weapon of retaliation." Who will be responsible if even one missile with a nuclear warhead arrives at you? We would speak honestly - to support the pants and to build a "goat" for neighbors. And then for a retaliatory strike.

      God forbid, of course, but I think the answer will fly before the rocket promised by you reaches the goal. .... if at all. or do you think that the local specialists and equipment are worse than yours?
  10. +2
    17 September 2016 13: 24
    Quote: Darkmor
    Vague doubts torment me.
    Firstly, the very presence of 200 nuclear charges.
    Secondly, their age is suitability for use.
    And thirdly - what kind of assault weapon in the ass? If such a small country like Israel is covered by a massive nuclear strike by another country, then where will the retaliatory strike come from?


    First, not only Americans talk about approximately the same number of nuclear weapons in Israel. Therefore, the amount of 1 units is considered generally accepted in the world. And all this can be calculated how much has been done.
    Secondly, all these 2 charges did not appear immediately and most likely the first nuclear charges have already been disposed of.
    And B-3. And who is going to deliver a massive nuclear strike against Israel?
    = USA? So kind of like strategic allies.
    = Russia? So it seems that Israel is not "enemy number 1" for us either.
    = England? France? Also no. Not enemies.
    = China? And what for does he need it?
    = India? Also no.
    = Pakistan? No missiles of this range.
    = Saudis? So even though there are missiles, there is no nuclear weapons
    = Who is left? Theoretically, from the threshold - only Iran. But he does not have
    Nuclear weapons, although in the short term it is possible. But they can’t
    create an arsenal for a massive stock, and missile range
    weapons to the limit (the number of such missiles is also not large)

    So who will deliver a massive nuclear strike after which Israel will not be able to respond?

    Quote: Nedopijack
    Hmm, as soon as another small, but very independent power has nuclear weapons in commodity quantities, it soon comes up with the initiative to ban testing (except for juche).
    What is it for?

    And she does not come up with the initiative to ban testing. Read carefully. It READY join the contract.

    Quote: dmi.pris
    In addition to Israel, South Africa is very likely to have nuclear weapons. It all spread around the world ..

    South Africa has been gone for about a quarter of a century. Before the authorities in South Africa changed to blacks, South Africa under control destroyed all its charges (there were 6 of them) and the infrastructure needed to create it.

    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    Together with South Africa they did.

    Together, most likely experienced. Well, perhaps there was some kind of cooperation in this area, but it is unlikely that they did it together. This is not a weapon to share all the secrets. Even the Americans at one time did not allow the British to all the secrets of the "Manhattan Project"

    Quote: certero
    What Israel 200 charges to make, where he how much plutonium and Uranus made?

    Well, the work did not begin 2-3 years ago, but back in the 60s. So knowing the power (and who needs it) you can calculate how much plutonium has been accumulated, how much weapon-grade uranium.

    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Israel has never recognized the existence of nuclear weapons. Maybe we don’t have it.

    Good answer.
    In such cases, I always recall the fantastic alternative novel "Everyone Able to Hold a Weapon." There is the same phrase.
    It sounded something like this. In the 195X, we loaded several thousand tons of explosives into the mine and blew it up. The neighbors thought that we already had nuclear weapons and that the tension had somewhat subsided. And in reality, a bomb appeared in iron after 6 (I do not remember exactly) years.

    Quote: Nedopijack
    Interestingly, does Israel believe in Iran’s nuclear weapons?

    In such cases, they rely not on faith, but on facts, on data. Everyone knows perfectly well that Iran now has no nuclear weapons, but if the Iran + 6 deal had not been concluded a few years ago, it could have had nuclear weapons by 2016 (this is an estimate of our 4th Central Research Institute of Defense)
  11. +1
    17 September 2016 13: 38
    Something already what day about the Jews .... laughing
    Our answer to Chamberlain ...! bully I think everything without translation is clear gentlemen (in Hebrew you do not need to translate ..?))))
  12. +5
    17 September 2016 14: 17
    According to American special academic sources, in order to maintain the arsenal at the proper level, Israel stores the accumulated fissile materials for another 150-190 warheads and updates them as necessary. The Israeli patent for laser enrichment of uranium will soon have half a century (like nuclear weapons ...) phosphates-sea ... Plutonium and cobalt are also available. Rumors of pure nuclear weapons ... Jericho-3, in underground mines, prepared aircraft carriers, submarines from the CD. In the rare image, "something" is possibly being loaded into INS Tanin, delivered in cryogenic thermo containers. According to western sources, 150/200 kilotons, 1500-2000 km. CD "Popeye-turbo" ...
    1. +2
      17 September 2016 14: 46
      Syria needs to put this too ...! And then all these shootings got already ..! And here Syria has nuclear weapons, Iran has long been! And silence will come ... And also the Russian Aerospace Forces with nuclear weapons in Syria and Iran are constantly landing .. and takes off on duty ... The world will begin right there! bully
      1. +3
        17 September 2016 14: 56
        Quote: STARPER
        Syria needs to put this too ...! And then all these shootings got already ..! And here Syria has nuclear weapons, Iran has long been! And silence will come ... And also the Russian Aerospace Forces with nuclear weapons in Syria and Iran are constantly landing .. and takes off on duty ... The world will begin right there!


        Comrade Well then you again, really?
      2. +1
        17 September 2016 15: 16
        Quote: STARPER
        Syria needs to put this too ...! And then all these shootings got already ..! And here Syria has nuclear weapons, Iran has long been! And silence will come ...

        Do you even think when writing? Why give Syria nuclear weapons? The Syrians did not deter the country from collapse, and nuclear weapons would not be able to keep them.
        But Iran does not have nuclear weapons.
        Quote: STARPER
        And also the Russian Aerospace Forces with nuclear weapons in Syria and Iran constantly lands .. and takes off on duty ... The world will begin right there! bully

        When you wrote this, did you think about the consequences? Firstly, Israel is unlikely to be scared of the Russian Aerospace Forces. In the Six Day War, he was not afraid of Soviet pilots. And now Israel has an excellent air defense and missile defense system, and in the presence of nuclear weapons. In this situation, peace will not come.
        Secondly, if the Russian Federation places nuclear weapons, the United States will also deploy nuclear weapons, and also deployed a missile defense system.
      3. +1
        18 September 2016 09: 19
        Syria does not know how to handle conventional weapons, and you are her nuclear weapons ...!
      4. +1
        18 September 2016 15: 31
        Ahem! Say "Forward to the end of the world" to a nuclear warhead in every family! You are funny, however! what
    2. +1
      17 September 2016 18: 00
      Jericho-2 medium-range ballistic missiles are located underground bunkers and have towed launchers on wheels. Experienced Jericho-3 and mine PU exist in single copies.
      The main types of Israeli nuclear weapons are air bombs and cruise missiles.
  13. +4
    17 September 2016 15: 02
    Quote: STARPER
    Syria needs to put this too ...! And then all these shootings got already ..! And here Syria has nuclear weapons, Iran has long been! And silence will come ... And also the Russian Aerospace Forces with nuclear weapons in Syria and Iran are constantly landing .. and takes off on duty ... The world will begin right there! bully

    Did you take a lot from the morning? After all, it’s normal before you write to think about what the enemy will do. And you do not care ....
    Is it okay if the United States sets up nuclear weapons of Georgia and places its planes with nuclear weapons there as a response step ??
    Or will he deliver it to Poland and place its carrier aircraft there?
  14. +6
    17 September 2016 15: 26
    A cat has four legs
    Behind her is a long tail,
    But you can't touch her
    For her small stature, small stature!
    200 nuclear charges, you say ... Well, well. In 1985, the traitor M. Vanunu, then still called the same figure. Moreover, it was not only about atomic wads, but also about hydrogen, neutron ones. Since that time, exactly 30 years have passed. I believe that such a prudent owner as Israel has somewhat replenished the reserves. And in general, who knows, maybe nuclear weapons are today or yesterday? Here, numerous tunnels dug by hardworking terrorist moles near Israel collapsed overnight, along with the pioneers. When the Palestinian journalist asked the head of the IDF General Staff G. Eisencott that this was not his amusement, he replied: "Only the Lord knows about this." And then, suddenly, as luck would have it, an earthquake struck under the Iranian nuclear reactor. And Iran, again suddenly, turned on reverse gear and abandoned the production of nuclear weapons for "peaceful purposes." So, as it was written about Israel in one old Soviet children's poem: "The TRP badge is on his chest. They don't know anything about him anymore!"
    1. +4
      17 September 2016 16: 42
      Bushehr is surrounded both by land and in the Gulf itself, under water, by giant oil and gas fields, the devastation of which even naturally leads deep seams into unstable equilibrium. The generated artificial impact, from the bottom of the Gulf, may be that straw ...
      1. +1
        17 September 2016 16: 46
        Very much....
  15. +3
    17 September 2016 16: 11
    It is curious how many people with Russian flags in the comments justify the Israeli fascists (who bomb whoever they want, spit on the laws and morals, and possess nuclear weapons, despite the fact that Iran and other countries that only "suspect" of trying to create nuclear weapons are imposed sanctions and restrictions).
    You can still understand people with Israeli flags, it is clear that there is nothing human left in them, but the current situation is at least beneficial to them.
    But it’s impossible to understand the Russian justifying the possession of nuclear weapons by Israel in principle. This is some kind of sadomasochism.
    1. +6
      17 September 2016 16: 45
      Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. In addition, one of the most prosperous states on the planet. In length, 492 km., In width from 14 to 117 km. And unlike the warlike Arab neighbors, Israel has always stood for peace. But no matter how much he offered peace to his opponents, only war was heard in return! Therefore, good must be with fists. And they thank God, there are.
      And fascism, what kind of word? They didn’t hear that there. In any case, in BV, only in Israel, Christians, Bahai, Muslims (not to be confused with terrorists hiding behind religion) did not and never did threaten anything. The temples of their adherents are not destroyed, but rather restored, the communities flourish. And the Israelis of other ethnic groups-Armenians, Druze, Circassians (Adygs), Russians, Ukrainians and others do not differ in rights from Jews. Not to mention the fact that Judaism considers a Jew to anyone who professes it. Fascism, as far as everyone knows, had a slightly different racial concept.
      1. +4
        17 September 2016 17: 13
        Just now, in the Golan Heights, the Iron Dome was used for the first time to shoot down a rocket flying towards Israel. Naturally, the place of its start is spotted (the dome does it automatically), we are waiting for the continuation ...
        1. +2
          17 September 2016 18: 51
          Quote: Oleg7700
          Just now, in the Golan Heights, the Iron Dome was used for the first time to shoot down a rocket flying towards Israel. Naturally, the place of its start is spotted (the dome does it automatically), we are waiting for the continuation ...

          It will follow. We will see, and they will wait.
    2. +4
      17 September 2016 17: 12
      Quote: Odyssey
      Israeli fascists (who bomb whoever they want, spit on laws and morals and possess nuclear weapons, while sanctions and restrictions are imposed on Iran and other countries that only "suspect" of trying to create nuclear weapons).

      Israel, unlike the Iran you named, never promised to wipe other countries off the face of the earth.
      And there are no fascists in Israel.
      1. +2
        17 September 2016 17: 57
        Quote: Lord Blacwood
        Israel, unlike the Iran you named, never promised to wipe other countries off the face of the earth.

        Well, firstly, Tehran promised to "destroy" the Israeli regime if it attacks Iran, and secondly, it was the Tel Aviv regime that occupied Palestine and partially destroyed and partially expelled its legitimate Arab inhabitants from this land.
        So for the time being, it was Israeli Jews who wiped out one country called Palestine from the face of our planet.
        1. +4
          17 September 2016 18: 38
          Quote: quilted jacket
          and secondly, it was precisely the Tel Aviv regime that occupied Palestine and partially destroyed and partially expelled its legitimate Arabs from this land.
          So for the time being, it was Israeli Jews who wiped out one country called Palestine from the face of our planet.

          Do not erase. In the 1947 year, when the British withdrew their troops from Israel, the UN proposed to divide Palestine into two states: Jewish and Arab. Jerusalem was supposed to go under UN control. And the Jews agreed to such a section, unlike the Arabs.
          In this film, they forgot to mention the Arab terrorists, and how these Arab terrorists massacred the Jewish population.
          1. 0
            17 September 2016 20: 59
            Quote: Lord Blacwood
            Not erased

            Well, how could it not be erased if Israeli Jews continue to occupy Palestine and build their synagogues and kibbutzim on its lands?
            Quote: Lord Blacwood
            In this film, they forgot to mention the Arab terrorists, and how these Arab terrorists massacred the Jewish population.

            Did they cut it out? Most likely no Muslims have always been loyal to Jews.
            1. 0
              17 September 2016 21: 18
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Well, how could it not be erased if Israeli Jews continue to occupy Palestine and build their synagogues and kibbutzim on its lands?

              I have already described the situation in 1947. Jews also had the right to create a state in Palestine, as they inhabited it for several thousand years. A section was proposed, but the ARABS DENIED it.
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Did they cut it out? Most likely no Muslims have always been loyal to Jews.

              But what about the statements of the Arabs that they should "throw the Jews into the sea" and "destroy the Jews as a nation"?
        2. +6
          17 September 2016 19: 52
          Everything was exactly the opposite. After the formation on the territory of Palestine, two states, Arab and Jewish, Israel just the same recognized the Arab state. But the very next day, after the creation of the Jewish state, five Arab countries - Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon, Iraq committed aggression against Israel. Led by dad: Hajj al Amin Husseini - Hitler's best friend. And it was not Israel that captured the western bank of the Jordan River during the War of Independence of 1948-1949, but Jordan. Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip as a souvenir. Syria appropriated the Israeli Golan heights. But something neither Egypt, nor Jordan, even stuttered about the creation of an Arab state. Now it was not created through the fault of Israel. There are no Israelites in Gaza or on most of the west bank of the Jordan. But the Arab state, as it was not, is not. And first of all, because the Arabs themselves living there do not just do not want it, but categorically do not want it. Inventing a wide variety of reservations. And why would they want to? They don’t pay taxes, compare the prices of goods in the Arab shops of Jerusalem and the prices of Israeli goods, they receive both water and gas and electricity from Israel. The provision, and even the help, is entirely Jewish, but lives as they want. In any case, much better than their Arab neighbors. I do not mean the Gaza Strip, of course. But this is thanks to Hamas, Hezbollah and other mass-media-people. They live in separate cities where there are no Jews at all, but at their expense. Freebie, sir.
          1. +1
            17 September 2016 21: 00
            Quote: Rogue1812
            Everything was exactly the opposite.

            Please do not tell tales from the Israeli training manual.
        3. +5
          17 September 2016 21: 11
          Quote: quilted jacket

          [b] So while it was Israeli Jews who wiped out one country called Palestine from the face of our planet

          Do not tell me when a country called Palestine existed? wassat invented the people, invented the country .... the Arabs already (!) have 22 states !! is it really a microscopic piece, the former desert, is what they lack for happiness wink
          1. +2
            17 September 2016 21: 25
            Quote: Arameev
            Do not tell me when a country called Palestine existed?

            By decision of the UN, TWO states were formed - Jewish Israel and Arab Palestine.
            Jews of Palestine occupied and destroyed or drove out its population of Arabs and settled these lands with Jews who were brought from Europe and the USA.


            Quote: Arameev
            invented the people, invented the country ...

            Are you talking about Israel lol

            Quote: Arameev
            the Arabs already (!) have 22 states !! is it really a microscopic piece, the former desert, is what they lack for happiness

            And what of it? There are many Arabs, and in general that it was the Jews who came to this piece of the desert, would they live in Europe and the United States did something missing for their happiness?
            1. +1
              17 September 2016 21: 34
              Quote: quilted jacket
              By decision of the UN, TWO states were formed - Jewish Israel and Arab Palestine.

              You forget that, unlike the Jews who recognized Arab Palestine, the Arabs did not recognize the Jewish state and started the war.
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Jews of Palestine occupied and destroyed or drove out its population of Arabs and settled these lands with Jews who were brought from Europe and the USA.

              Jews lived in Palestine for several thousand years, and also had rights to this territory.
              1. 0
                17 September 2016 22: 24
                Quote: Lord Blacwood
                You forget that, unlike the Jews who recognized Arab Palestine, the Arabs did not recognize the Jewish state and started the war.

                So what? Well, you won why then to occupy these territories and expel the Arab population from there?
                Quote: Lord Blacwood
                Jews lived in Palestine for several thousand years, and also had rights to this territory.

                Yes, they had, well, they gave you a plot of land, why was it necessary to destroy another country and incite self-hatred all over the world?
                1. +1
                  17 September 2016 23: 47
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  expel the Arab population from there?

                  Hostile settlements were expelled, from which there was one misfortune. Now Arabs make up 20% of the population of Israel. And no one expels them from the country.
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  So what? Well, you won why then to occupy these territories

                  Who should Israel give controlled territories to if the Arabs did not want to talk about partition? When the UN and the Jews tried to agree, the Arabs did not want to hear about peace. If the Jews ceded the lands occupied during the war to the Arabs, then the Arabs would again launch an attack on Israel. And who will allow this?
                  1. 0
                    19 September 2016 16: 35
                    [/ Quote]
                    If the Jews ceded the lands occupied during the war to the Arabs, then the Arabs would again launch an attack on Israel. And who will allow this? [/ Quote]
                    Strange logic.
    3. +3
      17 September 2016 17: 18
      Quote: Odyssey
      It is curious how many people with Russian flags in the comments justify the Israeli fascists (who bomb whoever they want, spit on the laws and morals, and possess nuclear weapons, despite the fact that Iran and other countries that only "suspect" of trying to create nuclear weapons are imposed sanctions and restrictions).

      It always amazed me too, and it seems that either they opened paid propaganda units in our country or they can use Russian IP addresses from Israel.
      1. +3
        17 September 2016 18: 22
        Quote: quilted jacket
        It always amazed me too, and it seems that either they opened paid propaganda units in our country or they can use Russian IP addresses from Israel.

        Ah, if only. Of course, the Jews are amazing masters of propaganda and use dozens of other different techniques described by you to advance their interests, but that’s not the problem.
        The trouble is that in Russia a large number of people sincerely consider the United States / Israel (and this is de facto one state) "exclusive" "bringing freedom and democracy" and justify their countless crimes with this. that the USA / Israel is absolutely hostile to Russia and is directly working to dismantle it.
        Some amazing form of slavish consciousness. By the way, the Jews themselves (smart and talented people) despise such "defenders" (although they use them with pleasure).
        They call them "shabezgoy".
        1. +1
          17 September 2016 21: 05
          Quote: Odyssey
          Oh, if only.

          Maybe you're right, but I almost never met such people live (well, in any case, very rarely).
          But here on the site is just some kind of reserve of lovers and admirers of the Israeli regime.
    4. +5
      17 September 2016 19: 47
      Quote: Odyssey
      It is curious how many people with Russian flags in the comments justify the Israeli fascists (who bomb whoever they want, spit on the laws and morals, and possess nuclear weapons, despite the fact that Iran and other countries that only "suspect" of trying to create nuclear weapons are imposed sanctions and restrictions).
      You can still understand people with Israeli flags, it is clear that there is nothing human left in them, but the current situation is at least beneficial to them.
      But it’s impossible to understand the Russian justifying the possession of nuclear weapons by Israel in principle. This is some kind of sadomasochism.

      you yourself are a fascist !! My father went through the whole war from the 41st. He reached Vienna (the third Ukrainian) and ended the war as captain of the Soviet army in the Far East. had government awards. He was wounded four times. His middle brother (my uncle), a military man, died in the 41st. in Belarus. and my eldest uncle (elder brother of his father) chased forest brothers in the Baltic states. commissioned for a wound with the rank of colonel in the mid-fifties. so .... who are the Nazis ?????? !!!!
      1. +2
        17 September 2016 20: 22
        Quote: Arameev
        .who fascists ?????? !!!!

        Once again, I have no questions or complaints for you.
        It is clear that you (the Jews) benefit from a situation in which you can bomb any country with impunity (only this year Lebanon and Syria), arrange genocide in Palestine, spit on any laws, possess nuclear weapons and at the same time spread rot on Iran that has no nuclear weapons, kill women , children, etc. while remaining completely unpunished
        It is also clear that at the same time you have completely lost your human appearance, but not all people are human beings.
        There are no questions at all to you, but to those fools from among the Russians who justify your heinous crimes.
        1. +5
          17 September 2016 20: 55
          Quote: Odyssey

          .... You can bomb any country with impunity (only this year Lebanon and Syria),

          that is, the fact that they fire at our territory - you do not take this into account. but our response - in your opinion, the unjustified use of force? Tell me, how will the Russian Federation react if any neighboring country suddenly starts systematically shelling Russian territory?

          ... genocide Palestine ..., kill women, children

          tell me, in Grozny, there were no women and children who died from the weapons of the Russian army? and on whose conscience these victims, on the Russian military, or on the conscience of bandits who made a mess in their own republic and like the same Hamas people who shouted to the whole world about genocide ?

          There are no questions at all to you, but to those fools from among the Russians who justify your heinous crimes.

          vileness in your lies! .... or is it stupidity, I do not understand in any way
          1. +1
            17 September 2016 21: 41
            Quote: Arameev
            that is, the fact that they fire at our territory - you do not take this into account.

            And the fact that you Jews occupied Palestine and now its former owners of the Arabs are fighting for its liberation from the Jewish occupation, do you not take into account?
            They have seized foreign lands so now don’t whine that their real Arabs' owners want to take them back and fire at the invaders of the Jews ..
            Quote: Arameev
            Tell me, in Grozny there were no women and children killed by the weapons of the Russian army?

            But we were fighting for our land, which for centuries was part of Russia.
            And by the way, not only Chechens died there, but also a huge number of Russian civilians at the hands of terrorists who bred during the rule of Yeltsin and his gang of different Gaidars, Chubais Berezovsky Abramovichs.

            Quote: Arameev
            vileness in your lies! .... or is it stupidity, I do not understand in any way

            A user under the nickname Odysseus says everything correctly - those who support the Tel Aviv regime may themselves, without understanding, support terror.
    5. +3
      17 September 2016 21: 43
      Well, not all Russians are empty-headed. Someone yells, lies and rages (Israeli fascists (who bomb anyone they want, spit on laws and morality and possess nuclear weapons)and someone thinks with his head and distinguishes light from darkness.
  16. +2
    17 September 2016 17: 43
    Surprisingly, no one threatens Israel with sanctions for violating the non-proliferation treaty ...
    1. +2
      17 September 2016 18: 01
      Quote: razved
      Surprisingly, no one threatens Israel with sanctions for violating the non-proliferation treaty ...

      Behind them is the US regime, which is just as criminal as the Israeli.
  17. +1
    17 September 2016 19: 37
    Quote: razved
    Surprisingly, no one threatens Israel with sanctions for violating the non-proliferation treaty ...

    Could you give more details on what the violation of the non-proliferation treaty is? Just wondering
    1. +2
      17 September 2016 19: 58
      Gather in the UN, and punish with a finger. Grandma, you don’t go there ...
  18. 0
    17 September 2016 19: 59
    So who will deliver a massive nuclear strike after which Israel will not be able to respond?

    Perhaps they are - http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/
    images / 8/85 / NecronArt.jpg / revision / latest / scale-t
    o-width-down / 250? cb = 20141210074923 & path-prefix = en
    laughing
  19. +1
    17 September 2016 20: 10
    This statement is attributed to Gold Meir:
    “Firstly, we do not have nuclear weapons, and secondly, if necessary, we will use it”
  20. 0
    17 September 2016 20: 38
    [/ quote] Urgently evacuate Professor Igor 67 and Voyaku wow, but figs with him and Pupyrchaty with Atalef and Aaron laughing[/ Quote]
    What's the point? They are still not there ...
    And if there, then anyway, the point?! ...
  21. 0
    17 September 2016 20: 45
    Quote: Darth Revan
    They probably

    Well, if only they laughing
  22. +3
    17 September 2016 21: 56
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: Arameev
    Do not tell me when a country called Palestine existed?

    By decision of the UN, TWO states were formed - Jewish Israel and Arab Palestine.
    Jews of Palestine occupied and destroyed or drove out its population of Arabs and settled these lands with Jews who were brought from Europe and the USA.


    Quote: Arameev
    invented the people, invented the country ...

    Are you talking about Israel lol

    Quote: Arameev
    the Arabs already (!) have 22 states !! is it really a microscopic piece, the former desert, is what they lack for happiness

    And what of it? There are many Arabs, and in general that it was the Jews who came to this piece of the desert, would they live in Europe and the United States did something missing for their happiness?

    For happiness, the Jews lacked only one thing - the absence of anti-Semites. Like you. So they returned to their land, the Motherland, on which they lived for millennia. Until they were forcibly expelled in 78 A.D. By the way, the Jewish presence in their native land never ceased during the years of exile. But the Arabs lived exclusively in Arabia. And they conquered the territories of the states - Assyria, Phenicia, Egypt, Babylon, Israel and Judea. Even General De Gaulle, said that all Arab states were created artificially. And the borders are artificial. The war in Syria is an objective confirmation of this: the Alawites, Ismailis, Sunnis, Kurds, Druze, Shiites. And everyone is at war with each other. Israel is aloof. But to blame for everything. As always.
    1. +1
      17 September 2016 22: 18
      Quote: Rogue1812
      For happiness, the Jews lacked only one thing - the absence of anti-Semites. Like you.

      That is, in your opinion, if a person speaks the truth about the Israeli regime, is he an anti-Semite?
      Purely Jewish point of view. smile

      Quote: Rogue1812
      So they returned to their land, the Motherland, on which they lived for millennia.

      What kind of land is it? If you yourself say that you have not lived there for several thousand years (and personally, I think you never lived there in large numbers)
      You have long lost the right to these lands and the UN and the countries of the Second World War winners of the Jews simply felt sorry for you and graciously gave this territory, but it seemed to you a little and you chopped off the Arabian piece.
      So the occupiers you have captured Palestine, therefore, all Arabs hate you and therefore constantly bombard you.
      1. +2
        17 September 2016 23: 51
        Quote: quilted jacket
        What kind of land is it? If you yourself say that you have not lived there for several thousand years (and personally, I think you never lived there in large numbers)
        You have long lost the right to these lands and the UN and the countries of the Second World War winners of the Jews simply felt sorry for you and graciously gave this territory, but it seemed to you a little and you chopped off the Arabian piece.
        So the occupiers you have captured Palestine, therefore, all Arabs hate you and therefore constantly bombard you.

        Jews lived in Palestine for several thousand years. They lived in it and after the exile in 78 AD And they had the right to their state.
        1. 0
          18 September 2016 12: 30
          Quote: Lord Blacwood
          Jews have lived in Palestine for several thousand years. They lived in it after the exile in 78 A.D.

          Well, it means that the Jews lived in that locality for several thousand years in a small number and did not have their own state there, therefore they lost the right to this territory and gave them it out of pity to the UN; the Jews even captured what should have belonged to the Arabs
          .Hence, the conclusion of Israeli Jews is the invaders who captured Palestine and made its inhabitants of the Arabs - refugees.
          1. 0
            18 September 2016 13: 40
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Well, it means that the Jews lived in that locality for several thousand years in a small number and did not have their own state there, therefore they lost the right to this territory and gave them it out of pity to the UN; the Jews even captured what should have belonged to the Arabs

            But they lived in this territory. And the UN gave them territory to create a state. But the Arabs also wanted to take Israeli territory. During the war, Israel took control of the territories from which they attacked Israel. And what was he supposed to do? Give back to the Arabs so that they attack again?
            Quote: quilted jacket
            .From here, the conclusion of Israeli Jews is the invaders who captured Palestine and made its inhabitants of the Arabs - refugees.

            Refugees? 20% of the population of Israel are Arabs. And do not flee the country.
  23. +1
    17 September 2016 22: 52
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: certero
    What Israel 200 charges to make, where he how much plutonium and Uranus made?

    Israel has never recognized the existence of nuclear weapons. Maybe we don’t have it.

    Shed another crocodile tear, they say you do not have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons were delivered to you by the Americans, and they did so contrary to the agreements on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Israel and the US are criminal states.
    1. +3
      18 September 2016 08: 04
      Nuclear weapons put to you by the Americans
      And you, of course, have documents confirming this? Present please ...
  24. +4
    18 September 2016 00: 35
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Nuclear weapons were delivered to you by the Americans, and they did so contrary to the agreements on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Israel and the US are criminal states.

    A biting statement, but absolutely unproven. And an appeal to a treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons does not go into any gates at all

    And generally does not fit in terms.
    According to the SVR, Israel could potentially produce per year in the period between 1967 and 1980 for the 2-3 years of warhead per year. Roughly the same claim Christiansen and Norris. They also correspond to the estimates of the RUMO.
    In addition, the Dimon reactor began operating in 1963, and the plutonium reprocessing plant since 1960.
    This means that during the period from 1963 to 1970, about 26 kg of plutonium was produced at the 64,4 MW reactor and about 14 charges were created during this time.

    It is possible that some data on the design of nuclear weapons and went to Israel, but this is not proof that the Americans gave the nuclear weapons to the Israelis.
    (otherwise you can agree to the point that the Americans transferred nuclear weapons to us as well)

    And the Non-Proliferation Treaty is better not to touch, not to remember in vain. It came into effect in 1970, when Israel theoretically had at least a dozen charges. But even if we only assume that the Americans transferred nuclear weapons to the Israeli military, this was before 1970, which means that this did not violate the NPT
    1. +2
      18 September 2016 12: 23
      Quote: Old26
      According to the SVR, Israel could potentially produce per year in the period between 1967 and 1980 for the 2-3 years of warhead per year. Roughly the same claim Christiansen and Norris. They also correspond to the estimates of the RUMO.


      According to the generally accepted version of the Israeli nuclear weapons was developed in 50-e together with the French. Some of the technology in Israel was (thanks to the mass of scientists of world renown), some were received in exchange for the technology of cheap production of heavy water. Well, in the future cooperation with South Africa
      1. +2
        19 September 2016 08: 16
        I can't help but name the "French" father of the Israeli atomic bomb. This is world renowned nuclear scientist Bertrand Goldschmidt, one of the leading contributors to the Manhattan Project. In 1956, at the request of Shimon Peres, Goldschmidt arrived in Israel and was taken directly from the airport to Ben Gurion. Israeli publicist V. Fromer writes: “What the two venerable Jews talked about for several hours remained a mystery. But after this meeting, Israeli-French cooperation in the“ use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes ”went in full swing. And further:“ When Goldschmidt was asked whether he was responsible for the creation of the Israeli atomic bomb, he burst out laughing and replied: "We not only deprived the girl of her innocence. She also became pregnant from us."
        1. 0
          19 September 2016 13: 25
          France was the gasket between the United States (owner of nuclear technology) and Israel (their recipient). The United States did not want to be criticized for pro-American regimes in the Middle East such as Saudi Arabia.

          France had a double gesheft - it received free-of-charge technologies from the USA and payment from Israel, which it used to create the French nuclear industry.

          The Federal Republic of Germany acted as a source of funds for paying for a multilateral project, transferring money allegedly for the development of irrigated agriculture in Israel (as payment for the Holocaust).

          The French Jew Bertrand Goldschmidt was an ordinary researcher at the Manhattan project and therefore was only the coordinator of the transfer of US nuclear technology to Israel.
  25. 0
    18 September 2016 05: 00
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Dart2027
    Well, Karabakh was a part of Armenia.
    When was it part of ?? At least you read the documents when creating the Azerbaijan SSR and the Armenian SSR and how, what lands were transferred to.

    And when was Nakhichevan part of Azerbaijan? Somewhere around the 20s, right? But at the time of the collapse of the USSR, it was the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as part of the Union, and was in no way subordinate to Baku. Perhaps you will say that the overwhelming majority of the population there are Turkish Turks, and after the referendum in the 90s, it is now Azerbaijan as part of Azerbaijan? So, after all, in Karabakh the vast majority are Armenians, and there was a referendum there in due time. Maybe you can say that the NKAR was part of the Azerbaijan SSR, therefore it (Karabakh) must remain de jure as part of Azerbaijan, because Azerbaijan was also part of the USSR and its withdrawal from it was illegitimate, since the legal norms for withdrawing from composition and the proclamation of sovereignty, simply because these norms did not exist. Everyone accepted the collapse of the Union and the factual independence that suddenly fell on your head, including you, so accept the independence of Karabakh in fact. By the way, Karabakh was once part of Armenia, and more recently, somewhere around 100 years ago.
    1. 0
      18 September 2016 09: 22
      In the Caucasus - a local resident is the previous conqueror, so your argument is stupid. A set of economics and demographics will solve the dispute and so far these factors are on the side of Azerbaijan.
  26. +3
    18 September 2016 08: 13
    Quote: miru mir
    Nuclear weapons put to you by the AmericansAnd you, of course, have documents confirming this? Present please ...
    So when did these gentlemen burden themselves with evidence?
    1. +1
      19 September 2016 08: 21
      This is exactly what Comrade Sukhov used to say.
      "There is always a judge for a Jew,
      For flexibility, for mind, for stoop,
      For a Jewess who shot the Leader,
      Because she missed ... "
  27. 0
    18 September 2016 09: 24
    To Jews, if that is where to live, this is Jewish AO!
    1. 0
      18 September 2016 12: 39
      Quote: Zaurbek
      To Jews, if that is where to live, this is Jewish AO!

      1. +1
        18 September 2016 21: 50
        Not well, if someone incinerates Israel, that is, where to sail .... Whatever country in the world has allocated an area for use? hi
  28. +1
    18 September 2016 14: 46
    Quote: Pimply
    According to the generally accepted version of the Israeli nuclear weapons was developed in 50-e together with the French. Some of the technology in Israel was (thanks to the mass of scientists of world renown), some were received in exchange for the technology of cheap production of heavy water. Well, in the future cooperation with South Africa

    To be honest, dear Eugene, I don't know where this generally accepted version came from. I have not met this. Even such a "corrupt girl of imperialism" as WIKIPEDIA did not voice this.
    The question arises. Where did Israel have the technology in the mid-50s? The country has just begun to develop. The war of the late 40s, the war of 56. Sorry, there was no time for fat. And further. The presence of world-renowned scientists does not mean that there was technology. There may have been theoreticians, but not "practitioners." Moreover, those who had a direct relationship to this weapon were unlikely to have been "visiting" for the most part. What we have, what is in America, what is in other countries.
    As for the fact that nuclear weapons were developed in Israel together with the French ...

    Digress for a second. It seems that Zhvanetsky has an expression: "Let's talk about the taste .... (I don't remember what anymore, but let's say lobsters) ask those who tried them"

    Why am I doing this. Your phrase that Israel developed its nuclear weapons in the mid-50s together with the French would have the right to exist if Israel had at that time
    1. Infrastructure for the production of fissile materials
    2. Fissile material itself
    3. And most importantly. If France had by that time had nuclear weapons and were able to assist Israel in its creation (albeit jointly). But France didn’t have nuclear weapons in the 50s. They tested their first charge EMNIP February 13, 1960

    But the fact that the reactor in Dimont was built with the help of France is all right. With their help. But it came into operation only in 1963. And Israel has been able to produce plutonium since 1963. In the 70s, the same France modernized the reactor, increasing its capacity by 3-4 times.

    Cooperation with South Africa, like the South African nuclear program itself, is one and very interesting topic. It is difficult to say what was the level of cooperation between the South African-Israel pair. It is unlikely that these were joint developments. Only mutual deliveries between Israel and South Africa are known. The first ones sold 30 g of tritium to the second EMNIP and received 600 tons of uranium oxide from South Africa. Well, plus supplies of small missiles to South Africa, which in the future could be used as carriers. But only in the future, because the bombs created by South Africa were of the "Baby" class and the same uranium, cannon-type. Israel still made a similar bet on the use of plutonium, KMK
    1. 0
      18 September 2016 16: 38
      The French delivered to Israel only a specialized reactor for producing weapons-grade uranium.

      To start the reactor, highly enriched natural uranium with a high content of the U-235 isotope was required. Israel itself did not have and does not have a technology for enriching natural uranium such as Iranian centrifuges.

      Highly enriched uranium, together with plutonium extraction technology from uranium decay products, was provided to Israel, USA.
      1. 0
        18 September 2016 18: 09
        Clarification - in addition to the Dimon reactor itself (the so-called Moson-1 facility), the French also set up a plant for Israel to extract plutonium from uranium decay products (Moson-2).

        Later, in Dimon, capacities were launched for the production of lithium deuteride for the second stage of thermonuclear charges (Moson-3), the processing of nuclear waste (Moson-4), and the production of BOPS cores from depleted uranium (Moson-10).

        Dimon also has research laboratories for the development of centrifugal (Moson-8) and laser (Moson-9) enrichment methods for natural uranium.

        The maximum thermal power of the Dimon reactor is estimated at 150 MW, which allows producing about 40 kg of weapons-grade uranium per year.

        The Israeli nuclear reactor is currently in disrepair due to expired life. Therefore, its power is reduced by more than an order of magnitude. To replace the reactor, Israel must put its nuclear center in Dimon under international control and cease the production of weapons-grade uranium.

        Any country that will supply a reactor to Israel and violates these conditions will automatically fall under UN sanctions. In any case, this situation will untie the hands of other countries to participate in Iran’s nuclear program.
  29. 0
    18 September 2016 19: 42
    Quote: Operator
    The maximum thermal power of the Dimon reactor is estimated at 150 MW, which allows producing about 40 kg of weapons-grade uranium per year.

    Plutonium, Andrew, Plutonium
    1. 0
      18 September 2016 20: 06
      Thanks, plutonium is the cost of fighting a smartphone.
  30. +1
    18 September 2016 20: 07
    Quote: Operator
    The French delivered to Israel only a specialized reactor for producing weapons-grade uranium.

    To start the reactor, highly enriched natural uranium with a high content of the U-235 isotope was required. Israel itself did not have and does not have a technology for enriching natural uranium such as Iranian centrifuges.

    Highly enriched uranium, together with plutonium extraction technology from uranium decay products, was provided to Israel, USA.

    Andrei. What you wrote about is the IRR-1 light-water basin-type research reactor, launched in 1960. It is a US-made reactor with a capacity of 5 mW. The United States also supplies fuel for it - highly enriched uranium. This reactor is subject to IAEA safeguards. Enriched uranium is not required for the operation of the heavy water reactor in Dimona - the main element of Israel’s military-nuclear potential.

    And further. French Reactor - for making weapons Plutonium
  31. 0
    18 September 2016 20: 20
    Quote: Operator
    Thank you, plutonium - the costs of fighting a smartphone

    Andrey, as I understand you. Temporarily stationary at home can not work, a working netbook at home and sometimes at work I go out with a smartphone. This is hard labor
  32. 0
    18 September 2016 22: 59
    Quote: Old26
    This means that during the period from 1963 to 1970, about 26 kg of plutonium was produced at the 64,4 MW reactor and about 14 charges were created during this time.

    It’s hard to believe it, because the owners of the nuclear device immediately experience it, because if something is not done right, then you need to immediately correct the errors. There should be no misfires or surprises with nuclear weapons .. The first recorded nuclear test in conjunction with South Africa was carried out in 1979. This only confirms that before 1979, Israel had nothing but uranium or plutonium raw materials. All other dates are fabrications to shield Americans in their secret distribution of enriched uranium or plutonium.
    Israel has been repeatedly accused of clandestine procurement and theft of nuclear materials in other countries (USA, UK, France, Germany). For example, in the 1986 year in the United States, the disappearance of more than 100 kg of enriched uranium was discovered at one of the plants in the state of Pennsylvania, allegedly moved in the direction of Israel. Here it is a secret violation of the non-distribution agreement. Who will openly do this.
    This once again confirms that if there is a production of enriched uranium, then there is no need to KRUST it. No uranium or plutonium, then no nuclear weapons. All other statements of Israel until 1970 that it will not be applied first, just a bluff, i.e. tried to take the Arabs to fright.
  33. +1
    19 September 2016 01: 33
    Quote: Алексей_К
    It’s hard to believe it, because the owners of the nuclear device immediately experience it, because if something is done wrong, then you need to immediately correct the errors. There should be no misfires or surprises with nuclear weapons .. The first recorded nuclear test in conjunction with South Africa was carried out in 1979.

    The Israelis worked very closely with the French, incl. assisted in the creation of French nuclear weapons. If you believe the open materials, then the French "shared" the test results. And maybe not only with the test results, but also with some details of the design of the charges. In any case, this is not the first such case. In 1974 India carries out its nuclear test. Pakistan waits for 14 years and then detonates its charges after 2 weeks. True, after about 10 years, it turns out to have more charges than India. Why did it happen?

    Quote: Алексей_К
    The first recorded nuclear test in conjunction with South Africa was carried out in 1979. This only confirms that until 1979 Israel had nothing but uranium or plutonium raw materials.

    This test does not say clearly that it was a test of Israeli nuclear weapons. It could be South Africa. There could be a joint, there could be a test of the Israeli neutron charge. But to say that there was nothing besides raw materials is stupid. It is our sources who say that during the war of 1973, on the orders of Golda Meir, 5 or 6 charges were delivered to the airport and, if necessary, would be used.

    Quote: Алексей_К
    All other dates are fabrications to shield Americans in their secret distribution of enriched uranium or plutonium.

    Distribution of enriched uranium, including and weapon quality is not a violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Moreover, such supplies were through the IAEA. But when they supplied plutonium - I would like to hear from you.

    Quote: Алексей_К
    Israel has been repeatedly accused of clandestine procurement and theft of nuclear materials in other countries (USA, UK, France, Germany). For example, in 1986, the United States discovered the disappearance of more than 100 kg of enriched uranium at one of the plants in the state of Pennsylvania, allegedly moved to Israel. Here it is a secret violation of the non-distribution agreement. Who will openly do this ..
    This once again confirms that if there is a production of enriched uranium, then there is no need to KRUST it. No uranium or plutonium, then no nuclear weapons. All other statements of Israel until 1970 that it will not be applied first, just a bluff, i.e. tried to take the Arabs to fright.


    Theft was. And from the factory. This is the so-called. "NUMEC Case" Over 11 years, 269 kg of highly enriched uranium was stolen from this plant. The last batch is 206 pounds or 82 kg. After this operation, control at the plant was tightened and there were no more thefts. Moreover, all the persons involved in this case are known. This case was pretty dashingly cranked "Mossad" Therefore, theft should not be equated with secret deliveries. This already smacks of conspiracy.
    One more thing. Trying to prove my thesis
    This once again confirms that if there is a production of enriched uranium, then there is no need to KRAS it. No uranium or plutonium, then no nuclear weapons.

    you go on an ordinary forgery. I don’t know, intentionally or simply out of ignorance, but you give a date confirming your thesis. And the event you mentioned took place between 1957 and 1965. Count how many years earlier.

    And the last one. I would be grateful if you would indicate the source of information, which would say that
    All other Israeli statements until 1970, that will not apply it first, just a bluff, i.e. tried to take the Arabs to fright

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