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Krivoruchko: the Ministry of Defense ordered "several tens of thousands" of upgraded Ak-74

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The troops will receive a large batch of upgraded AK-74M automatic machines, the effectiveness of which will be one and a half times higher than that of the base model. Later they will be replaced by AEK-971 or AK-12, which are still undergoing acceptance tests, reports MIC with reference to the head of the Union of Russian gunsmiths Ruslan Pukhov.


Krivoruchko: the Ministry of Defense ordered "several tens of thousands" of upgraded Ak-74


According to Pukhov, “AK-74M will receive a new telescopic butt and receiver cover, a modern receiver pad and forearm with integrated Picatinny slats, thanks to which collimator, optical and night sights can be mounted on the machine, as well as flashlights, laser target indicators.”

In addition, the machines will be equipped with a “new translator-fuse and ergonomic fire control knob”. Also in the kit will include new belts.

The general director of the Kalashnikov concern, Alexei Krivoruchko:
“The Ministry of Defense has very large stocks of AK-74M assault rifles, there is no sense in purchasing the same weapons. Therefore, we carried out a number of development work on the "Body Kit" program in order to increase the effectiveness of this weapons. Today we get from the army warehouses of the second category, which have lain for several decades, carry out repairs and upgrades, which together with new accessories increases the efficiency of the product several times. As a result, we get a machine for a professional army. For several tens of thousands of modernized kits, we already have orders from the security forces. ”
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  1. Bykov.
    Bykov. 15 September 2016 13: 37
    +11
    Kalash is our everything!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 September 2016 13: 44
      +17
      Today, 13:34 Krivoruchko: the Ministry of Defense ordered "several tens of thousands" of modernized Ak-74


      that's all ... now "patriotic alarmists" will carry snot across the page ...: we told you! war !!! "get ready !!! carcass matches !!! and the" caches "will rush to dig ... wassat
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 15 September 2016 13: 49
        +14
        where are the patriots? or do you think alarmists do not exist without us?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 15 September 2016 13: 58
          +3
          Quote: newbie
          beginner Today, 13:49 ↑
          where are the patriots? or do you think alarmists do not exist without us?

          and you read the news yesterday, and comments on it, and then express your new opinion ... Yes .https: //topwar.ru/100576-vozzvanie-obamy-amerika
          ncy-dolzhny-splotitsya-pered-nevedomoy-ugrozoy.ht
          ml
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 15 September 2016 14: 11
            +12
            your link went to the “error“. but approximately I know about this appeal of Obama. somewhere in the internet came across. in general, constantly something like this flickers. I don’t feel panic. I just want to say do not devalue such a thing as a patriot.
            1. aktanir
              aktanir 15 September 2016 17: 05
              +1
              In short, based on the statement, the Ministry of Defense has no money to purchase AK-12 and AEK. It's hard to believe that they are still being tested. It turns out that our nuclear submarines pass acceptance tests faster than a pair of "brand new" barrels. It's sad.
              1. bunta
                bunta 15 September 2016 20: 01
                +2
                There is money. AK-12 and AEK are not needed.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 15 September 2016 20: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: bunta
                  There is money. AK-12 and AEK are not needed.

                  ... and from which Lyakh did it come out? ... laughing
                  ... we are reading an article ... not, the title can not be read ... read the article :
                  The Ministry of Defense has very large stocks of AK-74M assault rifles, there is no point in purchasing the same weapons. Therefore, we have carried out a number of development work under the "Body kit" program in order to increase the effectiveness of this weapon. Today, we receive second category submachine guns from army warehouses, which have been in use for several decades, we carry out repairs and modernization, which, together with new accessories, increases the efficiency of the product several times.
                  ... ah, that's how it was ... and there were seven of them and he was one, but he fell all seven ... it turns out:
                  - second category from warehouses
                  - OKR "Body kit"
                  ... as a result, a modern automatic ... it's just a modernization of the mobile reserve ... bully
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 16 September 2016 13: 25
                +1
                Quote: aktanir
                In short, based on the statement, the Ministry of Defense does not have money for the purchase of AK-12 and AEK. The fact that they are still being tested is not believed

                AEK that 7,62 (AEK-973), 5,45 (AEK-971) completely passed all the tests, and even among the troops in the Caucasus, all the crap comes from behind Kalash at number 12 (well, Kovrov has no strong lobby) .. .
      2. dorz
        dorz 15 September 2016 14: 21
        +1
        In total, there are about 18 million Kalash in warehouses in Russia. Enough to arm half the world.
        1. megavolt823
          megavolt823 16 September 2016 00: 33
          +1
          can anyone organize a competent dispute? on the subject and do you need AK at all? at least what? are we not preparing as usual for the war that was? 1941 we met with a "three-line" and a revolver. very reliable weapon. but the Finnish war (sniper) was. loss taught nothing. for urban combat, the PCA was the best friend. 7,62 × 25 mm TT magazine:
          sector on 35 cartridges, drum on 71 cartridge. AK and its modifications are good for flat terrain and (trench warfare). as an average option between a submachine gun and a rifle. Kursk arch and trenches 1 and 2 world I do not see a possible scenario. like the battle of Moscow. but stalingradas are possible. sabotage centers and Afghanistan and Vietnam? or ? butts and picatinny. nothing to talk about. when you don’t know what you need is difficult to choose. hi
      3. Res_Ullus
        Res_Ullus 15 September 2016 17: 07
        +3
        Well, what, Andrei Yurich, caches should also be able to dig))) What is not what kind of preparation. Count TRP exercises wink
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 15 September 2016 20: 58
          0
          As I understand it, the GDP and the Moscow Region decided to form another division, armed only with novim. Maybe some special forces. smile ... We are waiting for NATO outrage over the "militarization" of the Russian Federation. laughing
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 15 September 2016 14: 18
      +2
      And what is the situation with the AK-104 and AK-105, are they in the troops?
      1. Grenader
        Grenader 15 September 2016 15: 26
        +3
        Oh, I do not like, even kill, the name of Krivoruchko. With this surname, just in case, you need to keep further from production. Better to play football.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 16 September 2016 13: 17
        0
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        And what is the situation with the AK-104 and AK-105, are they in the troops?

        is available in limited quantities in all UCs such as "Flame", and so the "hundredth" series was developed exclusively for export.
    3. Rozmyssel
      Rozmyssel 15 September 2016 16: 23
      +1
      stomping on the spot, for good it would be necessary ak12, and even better aek971, and even better A545. Well, the ideal would be to replace all these traditional calibers with some 6.5mm. The 6.5mm caliber has the best ballistic features.
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 15 September 2016 19: 24
        0
        The 6,5 mm caliber has a too high recoil momentum for the machine. The recoil impulse of a new cartridge should not exceed the impulse when firing a cartridge of 7,62x39 mm, otherwise you can forget about aiming bursts in bursts.
        1. Rozmyssel
          Rozmyssel 15 September 2016 19: 37
          +2
          Quote: mr.redpartizan
          The 6,5 mm caliber has a too high recoil momentum for the machine. The recoil impulse of a new cartridge should not exceed the impulse when firing a cartridge of 7,62x39 mm, otherwise you can forget about aiming bursts in bursts.


          what stupidity, how is it with a bullet with a smaller diameter - the impulse has become larger? Did you go to school?

          1. murriou
            murriou 16 September 2016 04: 23
            +1
            Well, Arisak’s 6,5mm rifle had a greater bullet momentum (and recoil) than the 7,62mm AKM. Since the bullets are heavier, and the beginning. speed is higher. P = m * V

            And the impulse of a 7,62mm AKM bullet is again higher than that of 9mm pistols from Makarov to "Parabellum", and even than of larger-caliber pistols and revolvers. It's not just the caliber.
            1. Rozmyssel
              Rozmyssel 16 September 2016 08: 22
              0
              Quote: murriou

              1
              murriou Today, 04:23 ↑ New
              Well, Arisak’s 6,5mm rifle had a greater bullet momentum (and recoil) than the 7,62mm AKM.


              yes, probably higher if the bullet is heavier and if the gunpowder is put more, I didn’t even talk about arisaka.
          2. mr.redpartizan
            mr.redpartizan 16 September 2016 06: 59
            0
            For a 6,5x38 mm cartridge, a bullet weighing 8 grams has an initial velocity of about 800 m / s. Our cartridge of 7,62 mm caliber has a bullet of similar mass, but its speed is about 715 m / s. In the pulse of the cartridge, you did not take into account the momentum created by the powder gases.
            1. Rozmyssel
              Rozmyssel 16 September 2016 08: 32
              0
              Quote: mr.redpartizan

              0
              mr.redpartizan Today, 06:59 ↑
              For a 6,5x38 mm cartridge, a bullet weighing 8 grams has an initial velocity of about 800 m / s. Our cartridge of 7,62 mm caliber has a bullet of similar mass, but its speed is about 715 m / s. In the momentum of the cartridge, you did not take into account the momentum by creating


              read the story of the creation of the first assault rifle, the Fedorov assault rifle, he used Arisakov cartridges for the assault rifle, because they were lighter than 7.62 rifle.
              In general, a bullet of a certain caliber can be of any weight, and, accordingly, a recoil momentum.

              https://topwar.ru/11498-patron-65x38-grendel.html
              1. mr.redpartizan
                mr.redpartizan 16 September 2016 17: 11
                0
                A bullet of a larger caliber should have more weight, otherwise BC will decrease due to a decrease in lateral load. BC depends on lateral load and bullet geometry. Not every cartridge is suitable for effective use in automatic weapons due to too high recoil momentum when firing. The cartridge with high energy and low momentum has a bullet of small mass and small caliber with a high initial velocity.
                1. Rozmyssel
                  Rozmyssel 17 September 2016 09: 24
                  0
                  Quote: mr.redpartizan
                  The cartridge with high energy and low momentum has a bullet of small mass and small caliber with a high initial velocity.


                  this nonsense cannot be that the physical body has a large energy and a small momentum, because both E = 1 / 2mV2 and P = mV depend on the same values ​​of the mass of the body / bullet m and the speed communicated to it V, i.e. SPECIFIC PULSE of combustible substance / gunpowder.
                  And why a 6.5mm caliber is better than 7.62 and 5.45, so this is already selected experimentally. 6.5 mm has better flatness, flies further, gunpowder consumption is less i.e. it is the caliber of the bullet that matters.
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 15 September 2016 19: 43
          +2
          7,62x39 - 0,78 kgf
          5,45x39 - 0,49 kgf
          6,5x38 -?
          Mr.redpartizan, can you give numbers for comparison?
  2. Andrey K
    Andrey K 15 September 2016 13: 40
    +17
    Today we receive second-category machines from army warehouses that have been lying for several decades, we carry out repairs and upgrades, which together with new accessories increases the product’s efficiency several times ...

    It is clear that with the help of a body kit it is more convenient to use AK. But to say that the efficiency is increasing many times is already too much ... Butt "a la" AR-15, Picatinny rails - with all the desire, the efficiency will not increase.
    If you already undertook to replace the existing barrels in the army with AK-12 (5,45mm.) And AK-15 (7,62mm.) Then you need to do this systematically, and not to throw dust in the eyes with increased efficiency by replacing the handles and fore-end ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 September 2016 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: Andrey K
      "Picatinny rail" - with all the desire, the efficiency will not increase.

      There is still efficiency. The collimator is only on the Picantini and can be hung. And he VERY quickens firing offhand.
      In general, the AK-74 is more suitable for the police than for the army (my opinion). hi
      1. aiden
        aiden 15 September 2016 14: 31
        0
        Not only on the picatini, but also under the weaver (dovetail) there are many models. in a gun shop recently saw
        1. HUMAN OWNER 1
          HUMAN OWNER 1 15 September 2016 14: 36
          +5
          Trophy items only on "picatinny" are hung =)
          1. loft79
            loft79 15 September 2016 18: 13
            +1
            Now the "dovetail" with "picatinny" is on sale.
            1. Kikoz
              Kikoz 16 September 2016 00: 42
              +1
              The swallow is uncomfortable.
      2. parkello
        parkello 15 September 2016 14: 39
        +4
        it would be better for the army to modernize the AKM, still the caliber is more serious.
        1. mr.redpartizan
          mr.redpartizan 15 September 2016 19: 49
          0
          What's the point? Modern 5,45 mm cartridges are much better than Soviet 7N6 cartridges.
      3. poquello
        poquello 15 September 2016 20: 51
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        ... The collimator is only on the Picantini and can be hung. And he VERY quickens firing offhand. ...

        come on
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut 15 September 2016 14: 33
      +3
      Quote: Andrey K
      Butt "a la" AR-15, "Picatinny" rail - with all the desire, the effectiveness will not increase.


      Even lower! All this nonsense will cling to clothes and ammunition, sheer irritation for the fighter. The most convenient option was with a folding plastic butt and mount for night or optical sights. All of these strips may need super-duper special forces, but for an ordinary fighter it is unlikely.
      1. Kikoz
        Kikoz 16 September 2016 00: 44
        0
        I do not agree.
    3. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 15 September 2016 14: 44
      +5
      I support, and it’s not entirely clear why to push money into the modernization of the machine, if they are soon replaced by AK-12 and AEK ??? Or again, the rearmament will drag on to ... 30 years, but for now, be content with the modernized AK74
    4. Berkut752
      Berkut752 15 September 2016 15: 27
      +2
      Ergonomics, my friend, is 30% success in battle.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 15 September 2016 15: 55
        +14
        Man, 100% success in battle - experience and training ...
        They taught us like that ...
        The convenience of carrying small arms is just convenient devices and nothing more. Moreover, each fighter has individual requirements for these amenities. For example, when accessing all these new-fangled things, for example, I will never change the fore-end and the barrel pad of varnished veneer for AK. In the summer you don’t burn, in winter you don’t freeze your hands about it ...
        Probably getting old laughing
        1. Kikoz
          Kikoz 16 September 2016 00: 48
          0
          For this, my friend there are tactical gloves.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 16 September 2016 07: 53
            +6
            An interesting train of thought ...
            Even very entertaining ...
            Replace the tree with plastic, so that later it would be more comfortable to keep the plastic in tactical gloves ... laughing
    5. x587x
      x587x 15 September 2016 16: 51
      +1
      And how to develop the grandmother (saw)?
    6. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 15 September 2016 19: 37
      0
      I see no reason to return to the 7,62 mm cartridge if it was replaced 40 years ago with a 5,45 mm caliber cartridge. 7,62x39 mm cannot provide penetration of modern body armor.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 15 September 2016 21: 20
        +1
        Well, you are in vain. Now the opposite trend is emerging, the transfer to 5.6patron is not justified. And by the way, why did you decide that 7.62x39 does not penetrate bulletproof vests, but 5.45 pierces?
      2. Witness 45
        Witness 45 16 September 2016 00: 05
        +1
        However, research and development in small arms has been going on in the United States for a long time in order to abandon the 5.45 mm caliber and switch to another, for example 6.5 mm caliber, under certain conditions, the 5.45 mm caliber is not effective enough, this has long been shown for its use in combat conditions.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 15 September 2016 13: 43
    +6
    automatic machine legend. he is seriously and forever in our army.
  4. GAndr
    GAndr 15 September 2016 13: 47
    +3
    Great machine.
    I have only positive memories of him.
    Honestly, I have little idea what else can be improved there.
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 15 September 2016 13: 52
      +16
      In the variants undergoing field tests, they added a "cut-off" for two shots, a body kit for installing various "devices" ...
      AK-12 (5,45) on the left, AK-15 (7,62) on the right ...
      1. parkello
        parkello 15 September 2016 14: 50
        +3
        brother, but where am I on the left, and where is it on the right? since we see the picture on the left, or if we consider that we would face it on the left? I definitely tend to AK-15 more. but the bipod must be installed on the machine. with bipods it is much more convenient to shoot. The forearm would be slightly longer literally by 2-3 cm, and the bracket for fastening the bipods should be rigidly fixed to the forearm.
        1. Berkut752
          Berkut752 15 September 2016 15: 31
          0
          Quote: parkello
          brother, but where am I on the left, and where is it on the right? since we see the picture on the left, or if we consider that we would face it on the left? I definitely tend to AK-15 more. but the bipod must be installed on the machine. with bipods it is much more convenient to shoot. The forearm would be slightly longer literally by 2-3 cm, and the bracket for fastening the bipods should be rigidly fixed to the forearm.

          Google and see, but believe AK-12 (5,45), it is much more dangerous for the enemy and more pleasant for the shooter.
        2. Andrey K
          Andrey K 15 September 2016 16: 06
          +6
          Quote: parkello
          brother, but where am I on the left, and where is it on the right? since we see the picture on the left, or if we consider that we would face it on the left? I definitely tend to AK-15 more. but the bipod must be installed on the machine ...

          Brother, on the left is the left hand, and on the right is the right hand Yes
          And about the bipod and their installation on the AK, for this, take a closer look - on both specimens, on the forend, Picatinny rail. Bipods are installed and removed in seconds hi
          1. parkello
            parkello 15 September 2016 22: 23
            +2
            her, you do not understand. the picatinny was not flattened at all from below. I had a semicircular rail on the rifle from the front of the forearm, on which the bipods were attached, and when folding the bipods they rested close to the forearm, hiding in special recesses. that is, you drive like that with your hand, everything sticks out smoothly, there are two recesses at the back for fingers to pull out the bipods. I don’t need picatinny rail at all, if there is a side arm for the weapon, I don’t suffer from a body kit. for me, the easier the weapon, the better, and the less expensive things there will be on it, the more convenient. I’m not afraid to throw weapons from the tree or from the wall to the ground, or for example, often inexperienced soldiers often drop weapons when they put it vertically on the butt. This is a fairly common occurrence among conscripts. in almost all of the G-3s, the flies were crooked, the rings of the fly themselves resembled an egg. I leveled them to them with a sleeve from 12,7 M-2, well, I just leaned the gun with the front sight to the stump, inserted the sleeve and sometimes drove it with a stone, sometimes with a hammer if I was. voooot ... in general, something like this. and about left and right, I did not just ask. the fact is that the AK-15 is to the left of my hand, and the AK-74M to the right, and not vice versa. Well, thanks anyway.
        3. Svateev
          Svateev 15 September 2016 21: 10
          +2
          Quote: parkello
          but I’m waiting here on the left, and where is there on the right?

          I think that the left (from us) machine is AK-15 7,62mm, because its trunk is noticeably thicker.
      2. KP8789
        KP8789 15 September 2016 15: 21
        +5
        Andrey K
        AK-12 (5,45) on the left, AK-15 (7,62) on the right ...


        You are wrong. In the photo on the right is just the modernized AK-74M, and
        on the left is a really new version of the AK-12.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 15 September 2016 16: 00
          +5
          Quote: KP8789

          You are wrong. In the photo on the right is just the modernized AK-74M, and
          on the left is a really new version of the AK-12.

          Double-check yourself.
          At the same time, you will read the essence of the "modernization" of the AK-74M.
          Good luck to you hi
          1. KP8789
            KP8789 15 September 2016 16: 11
            0
            I don’t need to double-check myself. I was at the ARMY-2016 and saw these samples.
            There are no visual differences between the AK-12 and AK-15 with the exception of the store, and now
            look carefully at your photo.
            And here is the information on the AK-12 and AK-15:
            http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/kalashnikov-ak-1
            2-r.html
            1. KP8789
              KP8789 15 September 2016 16: 26
              0
              And here is your photo. You can read the comments:
              http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1528&p
              =4
            2. Andrey K
              Andrey K 16 September 2016 08: 04
              +5
              Quote: KP8789
              I don’t need to double-check myself. I was at the ARMY-2016 and saw these samples ...
              ... And here is the information on the AK-12 and AK-15 ...

              I am impressed by your persistence, respect.
              But ... I do not go to exhibitions, but have been serving for 23 years, taking into account the urgency of all 25 Yes
              I have information on both discussed AK models, since I was at the factory hi
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 September 2016 13: 52
      +7
      Quote: GAndr
      Honestly, I have little idea what else can be improved there.

      Ha! for example, financial situation as Kandelaki and some other comrades, on one "rebranding" made millions! and what "modernization" will cost - only God knows, SAW ...
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 September 2016 14: 01
      +7
      Quote: GAndr
      newbie Today, 13:43
      automatic machine legend. he is seriously and forever in our army.
      newcomer
      0 GAndr Today, 13:47
      Great machine.
      I have only positive memories of him.
      Honestly, I can hardly imagine what else can be improved there

      instead of AK-74M, I would prefer AKM, I liked it more ... the bullet is not a toy-brutal! wink
      1. Vik66
        Vik66 15 September 2016 14: 06
        0
        quote = andrei yurievich] instead of AK-74M, I would prefer AKM, I liked it more ... the bullet is not a brutal toy!
        Better yet, AKMS with PBS and NSPU! winked
      2. newcomer
        newcomer 15 September 2016 14: 44
        +3
        I agree. also like 7,62. even the late Kalashnikov master himself preferred it.
      3. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 15 September 2016 14: 59
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        instead of AK-74M, I would prefer AKM, I liked it more ... the bullet is not a toy-brutal!

        The car is good and reliable, and familiar.
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Better yet, AKMS

    4. Engineer
      Engineer 15 September 2016 14: 03
      +1
      Accuracy ... the AK-74 is one of the worst among the common army assault rifles.
      1. HUMAN OWNER 1
        HUMAN OWNER 1 15 September 2016 14: 39
        +6
        If you shoot from the belly and with your eyes closed!
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 15 September 2016 15: 09
        +2
        What criterion did you determine by accuracy? In the army, in the first exercise, I knocked out 28 from 30 with AK-74. Without body kits, body stocks and the rest.
        1. parkello
          parkello 15 September 2016 15: 49
          +3
          Well, in terms of flatness and accuracy, the AK-74 is better than the AKM, definitely. another thing is that his bullets ricochet strongly because of the high speed. like the M-16, by the way, at a short distance the ricochet is very strong, over 400 m the bullet already loses a lot of energy, and it blows it with wind more than 7,62 .and another 7,62 can use BZT bullets, but the AK-74 does not. and by penetrative ability, AKM brings down and destroys literally any obstacle. he pierces the brick wall right through, gets into the hand, can tear off the brush, especially in people of such complexion as me. height 164, weight 56 ​​kg. and do not compare the wounds received from 7,62 and 5,52 (which is 5,45 in your opinion) or 5,56 NATO. AKM retains its lethal force for much longer, but it pulls like mad, leads to the right. You can keep the horseradish line with two in the dimensions of the target, and the AK-74 wins here. but this is where all the advantages of the AK-74 end. AKM needs a new DTK, cut-off at 2 high. , change the cover of the receiver, the bipod is needed, this is a very important nuance, put the fire translator on both sides for the thumb of the right hand and leave the main one as it is for the left-hander, the fore-end slightly extended forward by 2-3 cm, and he does not need anything else.
      3. Berkut752
        Berkut752 15 September 2016 15: 36
        +1
        You are repeating exactly the words of the Amerz fighters, but for some reason, wherever they are, they are looking and buying the AK-74, and they, as it were, to put it mildly, well, guessed it ... well, they expose it only to journalists. By the way with machine guns, the same picture.
        1. parkello
          parkello 15 September 2016 16: 53
          +5
          Americans, if they are looking for it, can all the same AKM? not AK-74. and yet they are doing the right thing. you need to fight with real weapons, but you can draw with M-16, they need to sell them. and they’re generally fond of fighting with other people’s hands, and not with their own, but when they have to fight with their own people, they usually take AKM or AKMS, which is also correct. AKM is the most common weapon around the world, and you can use trophy shops and zinc. Well, AK is more reliable than M-16 and M-4, you can not spare it, you can not clean for a long time. so that their actions fit into the framework of logic.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 15 September 2016 20: 20
            +1
            Quote: parkello
            Americans, if they are looking for it, can all the same AKM? not AK-74. and yet they are doing the right thing. you need to fight with real weapons, and you can draw with M-16

            There is such a thing, many specialists do not think for a long time when choosing a weapon, for a diversion work it does not get better
      4. Witness 45
        Witness 45 16 September 2016 00: 17
        +1
        Quote: Engineer
        Accuracy ... the AK-74 is one of the worst among the common army assault rifles.

        Well, if the arms do not grow from there, then yes, the accuracy will be bad, although for a "mass" soldier, more important is not accuracy, but reliability, and under certain conditions, in real maneuverable combat, less accuracy allows you to compensate for errors in aiming the machine gun when firing especially on the jump.
  5. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 15 September 2016 13: 54
    0
    Well, in general, they did the right thing, since there are so many old excellent automatic machines in warehouses, and new ones are on trials, it is necessary to modify the old ones.
  6. Engineer
    Engineer 15 September 2016 14: 02
    0
    Since the Moscow Region has still not chosen an automatic machine for the army, and even buys the good old Ak-74s, it means that there are enough jambs for new machines. They finish them for a long time, very long. The thin trunks of the AK-12 have already been heard, but what about the balanced and complex 971? I can’t even imagine.
    1. parkello
      parkello 15 September 2016 14: 45
      +3
      with balancing mechanism. quickly loosens. does not withstand a shot at 20.000 high. and so AEK is better. many times better. especially its latest modification with a diopter sighting device. Yes, and more complicated than AK. It is more suitable for professionals. for specials of every kind. and for conscripts you need something simpler.
      1. Berkut752
        Berkut752 15 September 2016 15: 56
        0
        You, dear, had bad commanders. AK is not intended for sniper warfare, but for assault battles, where you will not be allowed to aim. Good commanders taught soldiers to shoot offhand, from the waist and shoulder. AK is so good that it has a spread of bullets during the battle.
        1. parkello
          parkello 15 September 2016 16: 44
          +2
          Well, I don’t know laughing Dear Berkut 752, our commanders were very good, you do not know them and you cannot judge how bad or good they are. their task was to save our lives as long as possible. what they successfully coped with. and about the possibility of aiming, it is always there, and sometimes two or three accurate shots solve a much larger task. than 300 bullets fired do not know where to go. I don’t intend to run and shoot anyway in a la nigga style, but get as close as possible and give a couple of bursts of sight, yes. and here I personally, in my specialty, it’s much more important to have a good sight, since shooting off-handed and from the hip ... well, it’s only permissible in extremely rare situations, most often you have to fire accurately. in general, that’s all for me.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 September 2016 14: 02
    0
    Trunks are cool. The body kit, ergonomic handles, a convenient butt and a collimator sight increase accuracy and firing speed. Therefore, it’s a good thing. In Matrasia, for a long time already, all these quirks for the Kalash were released and sold.
  8. Sersh52
    Sersh52 15 September 2016 14: 02
    0
    Nice toy!
  9. Koresh
    Koresh 15 September 2016 14: 06
    +3
    Until they came up with small arms on other principles, the AK will live and live, but even then it will be redone and it will shoot. But honestly, the kit is not bad, if it is possible to lighten the weapon, make it more convenient, and let them install a convenient module. It remains only to wait for the winner of the competition for an automatic machine for the army, if there is still a struggle between AEK-971 and AK-12, the batch is not frail there! I am a fan of the Kovrovites!
    1. parkello
      parkello 15 September 2016 15: 30
      +4
      both machines are needed. In general, I also support the Kovrovites, so that their development would be adopted, still a worthy opponent of any rifleman. their work should be appreciated. AK and so will seep into the army. AK-12 is most likely to be accepted as the main infantry weapon (as for me it would be better if the AK-15 were accepted), and the weapon for special forces and units of the AEK is aerobatics. and even shorter there with these AKs ... there are so many different modifications you can’t even count, there aren’t enough fingers, even if you count the toes too. in general, it would be right to give the military and contract soldiers access to themselves to choose weapons from the arsenal. so everyone would get for themselves that machine that would personally suit him. but one thing I can say as the main weapon for the infantry, callas will remain. if the AEK were reliable as an AK, then if it were twice as expensive, it would be worth taking it into service. and so ... the question of the reliability of the mechanism is a very important criterion, and we must fight for it with all our might and defend it, modify it if necessary. and let it become more expensive, it will justify its costs.
      1. Koresh
        Koresh 15 September 2016 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: parkello
        both machines are needed. In general, I also support the Kovrovites, so that their development would be adopted, still a worthy opponent of any rifleman. their work should be appreciated. AK and so will seep into the army. AK-12 is most likely to be accepted as the main infantry weapon (as for me it would be better if the AK-15 were accepted), and the weapon for special forces and units of the AEK is aerobatics. and even shorter there with these AKs ... there are so many different modifications you can’t even count, there aren’t enough fingers, even if you count the toes too. in general, it would be right to give the military and contract soldiers access to themselves to choose weapons from the arsenal. so everyone would get for themselves that machine that would personally suit him. but one thing I can say as the main weapon for the infantry, callas will remain. if the AEK were reliable as an AK, then if it were twice as expensive, it would be worth taking it into service. and so ... the question of the reliability of the mechanism is a very important criterion, and we must fight for it with all our might and defend it, modify it if necessary. and let it become more expensive, it will justify its costs.

        It all comes down to money, production at different plants, logistics, the technical base, and the capabilities of the plants. The Americans won’t be busy with their AP-15 platform and still haven’t found a replacement, how many praises were sung by the FN-SCAR, but it’s a good barrel but it wasn’t accepted by either the United States or France (we don’t consider MTR forces). and I think that they will nevertheless accept AK, as if production would be established, and unification with old automatic machines of the series. I hope that they will accept the AEK, at least in a limited quantity for arming the airborne forces or specialists, it is impossible that such an assault rifle would simply sink into oblivion from a more eminent rival.
        1. parkello
          parkello 15 September 2016 16: 20
          +1
          Well, in general, say it right.
    2. Berkut752
      Berkut752 15 September 2016 16: 06
      +2
      Dear, no need to get sick, you need to know one simple truth, which even 12-year-old African boys know, if the AK-74 assault rifle is "mocked", open the bolt and wash it in any puddle. Perhaps it will surprise you, but the AK-74 starts firing as if it had been lubricated.
      1. parkello
        parkello 15 September 2016 16: 32
        +1
        does Africa have puddles everywhere? or in our mountains there are puddles everywhere so straight at least take and rinse ... but can I see a map with puddles? otherwise ... you know. I somehow do not find them in our country, let alone in Africa. especially at the time of the work of the group of mortars. I’m running around the field and looking for puddles, here I’ll find it and everything will be chiki-peaks laughing . Well, for example, that the weapon must be washed, it is written in the recommendations for the operation of the same M-16, it is to be washed ... yes .. but it does not say where, especially in places of poor access to water. and only the Germans apply a Hilti spray can with a cleaning agent under pressure to the kit for cleaning weapons, it also plays the role of a lubricant in summer conditions. You know, a very good thing, by the way, especially when a weapon enters a dust bath, with elements of sand and fragments of bricks, this product completely flushes out any dirt, and this canister is placed in the handle of the machine. maybe all the same it was worth paying attention to such a trifle? and yes, AKM is everything, AKM, not AK-74, I don’t need it for nothing.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 15 September 2016 20: 44
          0
          It's not the same for everybody. At firing, he sent a cartridge to the AK-74, unfastened the store and come to the godfather to admire, of course not SVD. But the accuracy is excellent and the barrel does not lead so much.
          1. parkello
            parkello 15 September 2016 23: 04
            +4
            uhh) well, the M-16 shooting range is generally a class. it’s one pleasure, but when you need to storm a house or a good fortified area, the M-16 there smoothly goes to the last rows, for those who survive, unless of course they survive. and 7,62 go to the front, and if the AKM was a little more ergonomic, then there was no need to switch to any 5,45. all the charm of the AK-74 is that it shakes less and ... and that's it !!! all its pluses. rather one plus over 7,62, the only one and the last, but with successful modernization, AKM is preferable to AK-74. the ability to engage in long-range combat. its lethal force, stopping force. the ability to use instant ignition bullets (MZ), BZ and others. I was laughing so hard at our sergeant (I was 5 years younger than me) when he began to rub us that the M-16 is better than the G-3 because it’s like more wounded, more damage ... what did I offer him, so come on with your You will shoot the M-16 at me, and I (I will shoot the second one) at you from the G-3A3 (7,62 wines.) And see which of us can resist and shoot, and who will already call the priest. if the pop has time yet ... well, he certainly didn’t agree, well, it’s impossible that we would shoot at each other, but then we decided to shoot a barrel of diesel fuel with water. they stood there to the heap in case of fire. in short ... shot from the same position. the result of M-16 one side was broken, G-3A3 both flew through, the same was the Albanian AK-47, struck both sides, it was necessary to see our sergeant, he choked on with tears, and in the evening asked the unit commander to send me to the Albanian border. they say he (this nasty Russian — they called me that) is nutty, doesn’t break the wood here for an hour, it’s better to demonstrate his skills on Albanians. and then he spoils our soldier, teaches them different Soviet tricks. supposedly they completely lost their hands ... well, what to do? I had to chase illegal immigrants for 4 months in the mountains ... but there wasn’t a single informer or dad’s son, at least thanks for that. in decent society served laughing
  10. Lemon1972
    Lemon1972 15 September 2016 14: 08
    0
    on the machine it will be possible to mount collimator, optical and night sights, as well as lights, laser target indicators

    That's probably the key phrase, I would like it to be already fixed!
  11. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 15 September 2016 14: 19
    0
    Yes, everything is fine there with both old guns and new ones, simply - there is no money.
  12. An64
    An64 15 September 2016 14: 20
    0
    But Kalash does not change absolutely. A new muzzle brake-compensator, a new butt, a new receiver cover, a new fore-end ... This is not a new machine or even a modernization of the old ... These are improvements to the AK-74. This is not AK-74M: not a single main unit and element of a weapon has been replaced ...
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 15 September 2016 14: 43
      +2
      AK-74M is just a mouse fuss and cut dough in an easy way
    2. Berkut752
      Berkut752 15 September 2016 16: 09
      0
      You are absolutely right, everything in life comes and goes, only the AK-74 and the Singer machine are eternal.
  13. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 15 September 2016 14: 21
    +1
    74th for the city - it’s better not, but AKM for reconnaissance and others like them, with a glushak bullet more powerful
    1. Genry
      Genry 15 September 2016 16: 09
      0
      Quote: Yak-3P
      but AKM for reconnaissance and others like them, with a glushak bullet more powerful

      Just with a subsonic cartridge, a bullet with very little energy is obtained. Here only weight can be compensated: SP-5 SP-6, with the corresponding barrel.
  14. Elephant
    Elephant 15 September 2016 14: 30
    +2
    It’s not better to just sell old machines abroad. And give a kick to these our "acceptance" testers and start production of AK-12, or better - AEK-971.
  15. CAM
    CAM 15 September 2016 14: 36
    +1
    In addition, the machines will be equipped with a “new translator fuse

    Can you read? fixated on the handle, receiver, picatini ...
    1. KP8789
      KP8789 15 September 2016 16: 58
      +1
      New in translator-fuse only additional
      emphasis (indicated by an arrow) and an additional cutoff mode - turn 2 shots.
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 15 September 2016 20: 13
        +1
        The fuse on the AEK-971 is much more convenient.
  16. Katusha
    Katusha 15 September 2016 14: 40
    +8
    Good health to all forum users! I just registered on this site, I myself am fond of military equipment and small arms, I hope you will accept me in your friendly company.
    Guys, tell me, is there any point in changing the AK-74 to the modernized ones if there will be AK-12s in the near future? After all, all this will affect the price of rearmament, won't it? And is the Picatinny rail and the telescopic butt so important at this transitional stage? Is a collimator on AK with its "accuracy" really needed? Although I may not speak like a pro, correct if that.
    1. parkello
      parkello 15 September 2016 14: 52
      +2
      of course welcome Katyusha love
      1. Katusha
        Katusha 15 September 2016 15: 48
        +2
        Thanks, parkello. Please still answer my questions. The ex-husband, when he rearmament from AK-74 to AKSU-74 (motorized rifle company), very grudgingly, to put it mildly, he spoke about the last shortened machine gun.
        1. parkello
          parkello 15 September 2016 23: 15
          +3
          if you are interested in my opinion about the AKSU-74, then these weapons generally need to be thrown away. your husband was right. I generally respect weapons under the cartridge of the 1943 sample of Elizarov-Semin. there are many reasons for this. Well, for example, for artillerymen AK-74 would be suitable, or for landing, but for infantry and for the sea AKM is an irreplaceable thing. especially for the infantry.
    2. WUA 518
      WUA 518 15 September 2016 17: 05
      +1
      Quote: Katyusha
      Guys, answer, is there any sense in changing the AK-74 to modernized ones if there are AK-12 in the near future?

      In the words of the head of the department for ensuring the state defense order: "Despite the existing presence in the warehouses of those machines that we have already purchased from us, they will probably be equipped with units, first of all, special-purpose units performing certain tasks, some subdivisions of the Airborne Forces "
      Quote: Katyusha
      And is the Picatinny rail and telescopic butt so important at this transitional stage?

      The bar is not critical in my opinion, the telescopic butt allows you to more accurately adjust the weapon for the shooter. There is such a thing as applicability. A butt is called a gun if it’s enough for the shooter to look at the point where he wants to direct the gun (to the point aiming) throw the weapon to the shoulder. A handgun will lie on your shoulder rightly and correctly enough, and with minimal errors will go to the aiming point
      Quote: Katyusha
      Is a collimator on AK with its "accuracy" really needed?

      The collimator is convenient when shooting at short distances, because the shooter does not have to combine the aiming bar with the front sight, but simply point the luminous marker on the target, that is, the aiming process is simplified. Although on many machines, the aiming axes are combined, so that in the event of a collimator failure, use traditional aiming systems.
      1. Katusha
        Katusha 15 September 2016 17: 30
        +1
        Sasha, this is all clear, why do we need telescopic butts, collimators, etc. My question is different - how all these innovations will be effective from the point of view of the economy (price-quality), taking into account the further arrival of AK-12 assault rifles in the RF Armed Forces.
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 15 September 2016 18: 01
          0
          Quote: Katyusha
          in terms of economics

          To appreciate this, you need to know the price of the stock stock, I unfortunately do not have such information. Telescopic butts and collimators cost from 4 thousand rubles and how much is enough wallet. But this is for civilian traffic, for the military there are other requirements, and therefore I am the price. There is still the question of consumables, batteries, chargers, etc. In the first desert storm, the Marine Corps intelligence unit put batteries for night sights that did not fit them. Thus, the unit was unable to conduct the battle at night.
          1. Katusha
            Katusha 15 September 2016 18: 14
            0
            From 4 thousand rubles? Seriously? Damn, no sarcasm, just asking. We almost prayed for them, although they spent money on the "leftist" ... I will keep silent. Just about the AK the most positive emotions ... She herself shot, disassembled, cleaned ... Even at a speed of 22 seconds. RChBZ with crocodiles on its feet - 3 min. 18 sec.
            1. WUA 518
              WUA 518 15 September 2016 18: 31
              0
              Quote: Katyusha
              From 4 thousand rubles? Seriously?

              Absolutely.http: //www.pro-shooter.ru/collection/te
              leskopicheskiye-priklady, http://www.optic4u.ru/catalog/kollimatornye-prits
              ely /
              1. Katusha
                Katusha 15 September 2016 20: 37
                +1
                Looked, thanks. Once again I was convinced how our k..la make money. I’ll just say - the cost of collimators is from 9 tr. And this is at best. It is regrettable and insulting. I can’t say more.
                1. WUA 518
                  WUA 518 15 September 2016 22: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Katyusha
                  cost of collimators - from 9 tr AND

                  1. Katusha
                    Katusha 16 September 2016 10: 39
                    0
                    I'm not talking about a fixed price, but about the price at which you have to buy ...
                    Sorry, I can’t say more. It's nice to talk with you ... Worked in supply
        2. parkello
          parkello 15 September 2016 23: 23
          +2
          Katyusha, AK-12 is better than AK-74 and don’t go to a fortuneteller, but the fact is that there is still AK-15. looking to whom, and looking at why weapons are needed. in the same Syria, the military asked for weapons of caliber 7.62, because there is a real war there and they know a lot about weapons. Draw conclusions. and here on the forum opinions often differ and it’s difficult to understand who is right and who is not very ...
          1. Katusha
            Katusha 16 September 2016 10: 31
            0
            Well, of course it's about ballistics. And for all types of combat, as they say ... I can say little about the caliber of 7,62 mm, I shot only a few times, but 5,45 - 4000 rounds had to be "written off")))
  17. senima56
    senima56 15 September 2016 14: 42
    +3
    Well, it looks like the epic with the rearmament of the AK-12 (or AEK-971) is over! And the "new version" of the AK-12 is not much different from the "modernized assault rifles of the Ak-74M version"!
  18. whack
    whack 15 September 2016 14: 54
    +6
    In Donbass "worked" very old AK-74, apparently the first issues. Rusty, rotten, from Artyomovsk warehouses. They showed themselves brilliantly. The safety margin is enormous. The most effective weapon in the fight against Bandera
  19. Horst78
    Horst78 15 September 2016 14: 59
    0
    Krivoruchko: the Ministry of Defense ordered "several tens of thousands" of upgraded Ak-74
    And rightly so "Krivoruchko: the Ministry of Defense ordered" several tens of thousands "modernizationnation АК-five"
  20. Siberian
    Siberian 15 September 2016 15: 02
    0
    It seems to me that it is necessary to order not several tens of thousands, but to completely change it. in all divisions. For example, when an urgent served in our troops, everywhere immediately a replacement took place, from AKM-47 to AK-74, AKS-74, and AKSU-74 (it depends on who needed what). The more convenient (well, no doubt about reliability), the easier it is for a fighter to complete his task.
    1. Genry
      Genry 15 September 2016 16: 13
      +1
      AKM-47 ???
      Have you served in the Mumbo-Yumbo troops in the Titi-Kaki area ???
  21. Pate
    Pate 15 September 2016 15: 14
    0
    And when the AK-12 is interestingly launched into the series, or the AK-74 will remain in service.
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  23. Wolka
    Wolka 15 September 2016 15: 35
    +4
    stop fooling your head, AEK-971 into the army, and leave the AK-12 (15) to the militia ...
  24. gg.na
    gg.na 15 September 2016 15: 51
    0
    In skillful hands a simple club is a weapon !!! What can we say about the machine Ak-74 !!! How not to twist and the thing is good good However!!!
    1. Genry
      Genry 15 September 2016 16: 19
      0
      The most interesting thing is that, according to the statistics of modern military operations, the automatic machine plays a more psychological role, since most of the defeats occur in fragments and shock wave.
  25. Berkut752
    Berkut752 15 September 2016 16: 16
    0
    Quote: Katyusha
    AK is not intended for sniper warfare, but for assault battles, where you will not be allowed to aim. Good commanders taught soldiers to shoot "offhand" from the waist and shoulder. AK is so good that it has a scatter of bullets during the battle.

    Quote: Katyusha
    AK is not intended for sniper warfare, but for assault battles, where you will not be allowed to aim. Good commanders taught soldiers to shoot "offhand" from the waist and shoulder. AK is so good that it has a scatter of bullets during the battle.

    What about the price, that is the saying: As they say, the mice choked and cried, but continued to eat the cactus, because they wanted to eat ....
    1. Katusha
      Katusha 15 September 2016 16: 40
      +1
      "AK is not intended for sniper warfare, but for assault battles, where you will not be allowed to aim. Good commanders taught soldiers to shoot" offhand "from the waist and shoulder. AK is good because it has a scatter of bullets during the battle."

      This is what I had in mind when talking about the collimator sight. And if, producing AK-74M and subsequent AK-12 (15), the technological processes will be unified, then this is economically more or less acceptable. And if not, then what is the point of re-equipping the army with a transitional machine, if the order for serial production of AK-12 is (was) signed. Again I want to hear your point of view as a specialist.
  26. Genry
    Genry 15 September 2016 16: 24
    0
    Machine guns are good, and machine guns are better!
    Why is there no 9mm machine gun with a bullet energy of about 6000kJ.
    Class 5 bulletproof vests do not even penetrate 7,62x54R from SVD or "Pechenega".
  27. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 15 September 2016 16: 35
    0
    Quote: Andrey K
    I will never change the fore-end and the barrel trim of varnished veneer for AK. In the summer you don’t burn, in winter you don’t freeze your hands about it ...
    Probably getting old

    All this was replaced with plastic during the war in Afghanistan, since during extreme heat the varnish melted and stuck to hands and clothes, in short everything that it touched.
  28. Phosgene
    Phosgene 15 September 2016 16: 47
    0
    The army of the Russian Federation needs to be equipped with the Ak series `` 100 '', they are reliable and better than the Ak-74
  29. Katusha
    Katusha 15 September 2016 16: 58
    +1
    Quote: Phosgene
    The army of the Russian Federation needs to be equipped with the Ak series `` 100 '', they are reliable and better than the Ak-74


    I read right now that the AK hundredth series differ only in the use of the NATO cartridge, with the exception of the AK-103 (7,62 mm).
  30. x587x
    x587x 15 September 2016 17: 08
    0
    Quote: parkello
    with balancing mechanism. quickly loosens
    .
    1. x587x
      x587x 15 September 2016 17: 09
      0
      And what is loosening there?
  31. Katusha
    Katusha 15 September 2016 17: 14
    +1
    Guys! Damn, will someone answer my questions? Thanks in advance. feel
    1. family tree
      family tree 15 September 2016 18: 42
      0
      105 under 5,45 * 39, like everything what and "weaving" is more a commercial project than directed at the sun. hi
      1. Katusha
        Katusha 15 September 2016 20: 59
        0
        We had only 101 and 102, and even without a moderator, a couple of pieces in total. They shot at the whole platoon. Of course this is a commercial option. Here the 200th series (AK-12) has not been received by us, only theoretical reviews can I say.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 15 September 2016 21: 34
          0
          Katyusha, (he, without a soft sign) is enough to scoff at the guys.
  32. Katusha
    Katusha 15 September 2016 17: 19
    0
    Quote: Katyusha
    Guys! Damn, will someone answer my questions? Thanks in advance. feel

    Quote: Katyusha
    Guys! Damn, will someone answer my questions? Thanks in advance. feel


    Sorry, I already read the comments. I have not yet mastered the site. And like he used to be darker like that.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 15 September 2016 21: 46
      +1
      Meehan, enough brains to sleep
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 15 September 2016 22: 18
        0
        Quote: dr.star75
        Meehan, enough brains to sleep

        He got already, everywhere ... bully crying Poor MIHAN ... good
  33. 1536
    1536 15 September 2016 19: 00
    0
    Well, the weapon must be beautiful!
    But, perhaps, everything is simpler: usually such tuning AKs were purchased by American arms stores. Americans love to engage in recreational shooting. Now is the time of sanctions, plus Obama is generally afraid of seeing something more serious than a lighter in the hands of fellow citizens. It was this product that went to our domestic market, to the army.
    Well and good!
    1. x587x
      x587x 15 September 2016 19: 30
      0
      Here is a movie about AEK. https://youtu.be/hl7aK99ov30 The armament of the contract army must be taken by the AEK, and for all the rest any Kalash. IMHO.
  34. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 15 September 2016 19: 38
    +1
    21 century in the yard, and they twist picatinny rail to ak74 ((
  35. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 15 September 2016 19: 45
    0
    The title of the article is slightly incorrect. Because if you read the article. it turns out that not really Defense Ministry ordered "several tens of thousands" of modernized Ak-74, The Ministry of Defense ordered the modernization of "several tens of thousands" of Ak-74 from storage.
    These are not new modernized automatic machines, but barrel modernization from storage:
    "Today we receive second-category submachine guns from the army warehouses, which have been in use for several decades, and we carry out repairs and modernization, which, together with new accessories, increases the product's efficiency several times."
    1. Katusha
      Katusha 15 September 2016 19: 58
      0
      I completely agree with you
  36. niki233
    niki233 15 September 2016 20: 05
    0
    Quote: aktanir
    In short, based on the statement, the Ministry of Defense has no money to purchase AK-12 and AEK. It's hard to believe that they are still being tested. It turns out that our nuclear submarines pass acceptance tests faster than a pair of "brand new" barrels. It's sad.

    believe the word trunks are much harder to test than a boat.
  37. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 15 September 2016 20: 25
    +1
    The adoption of a new machine gun is greatly delayed, which is somewhat upsetting. In terms of design, the AK-12 is not far from the very first AK model of 1947, but the AEK-971 looks much more interesting. The new machine should be very different from the old for the better, which is not visible in the AK-12. The best solution would be to adopt a new automatic cartridge system.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 16 September 2016 21: 46
      0
      Another revolutionary ... And the cartridge and the machine gun and the machine gun all need to be changed ... Even Stalin could not do that, and even the present ones, even more so. To replace the "complex" it is necessary to produce 2-3 million (!) Automatic machines, to transfer the industry to new cartridge machines (BILLIONS of cartridges are needed). And what plant can do this in a reasonable timeframe? And most importantly WHAT THE FUCK?
  38. Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov 15 September 2016 22: 56
    0
    Quote: Andrey K

    AK-12 (5,45) on the left, AK-15 (7,62) on the right ...

    AK-12 with a fire translator and a receiver like the AK-AKM-AK-74? laughing
    Powerfully pushed back! Or did I miss something in the fate of the AK-12?
  39. Katusha
    Katusha 16 September 2016 00: 39
    0
    Quote: STARPER
    KatyushaKatyusha


    I don’t understand, are you talking about me? What Meehan damn it? You confuse me with someone)) I'm just on the site)). Dolb-boys)). Do your girls not serve on treble?
  40. Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 September 2016 05: 40
    0
    I don’t know if there is any sense in the Piccatini rail installed on the cover of the receiver, made of thin metal and subjecting the mechanism inside to shock ... It was because of this that the "stub" was spat only a hundred meters away ..
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 September 2016 10: 25
      0
      Quote: Angry 55
      I don’t know if there is any sense in the Piccatini rail mounted on the receiver cover made of thin metal and subject to shock loads inside the mechanism ..

      EMNIP, this modernization has already been discussed here at the stage of the plant’s proposal. And then it was said that the cover of the receiver would be reinforced - just to eliminate the problems you mentioned.
  41. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 16 September 2016 10: 52
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    Comrades, stop drooling on AEK! If the original AK12 was cut to the level of a customized AK74, then what should be done with AEK (A545), so that it would be adopted? It seems that the Moscow Region is nostalgic for Mosinka and the stone ax, and they allocate money for weapons from their own pockets.
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 16 September 2016 12: 12
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      Quote: MRomanovich
      Comrades, stop drooling on AEK! If the original AK12 was cut to the level of a customized AK74, then what should be done with AEK (A545), so that it would be adopted? It seems that the Moscow Region is nostalgic for Mosinka and the stone ax, and they allocate money for weapons from their own pockets.

      And where did you get that AK12 cut? It never occurred to you that the photo is not AK12 at all, you know our professional journalists!
      1. MRomanovich
        MRomanovich 16 September 2016 14: 15
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        The fact that AK12 was finally cut back is not speculation, but a well-known fact.
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 September 2016 06: 52
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    Here is another good news.
    The old is recycled into a new, more efficient one.
    Plus weapons enterprises are involved.
    And let the factories already make new machines.
  43. Titsen
    Titsen 17 September 2016 11: 40
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    The right way, comrades!