Kiev: first control over the border, then a steady truce in the Donbass

There can be no talk of a stable truce in the Donbass until control over the Russian-Ukrainian border is restored, reports RIA News statement by the Deputy Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Irina Gerashchenko.

"This is a steady truce, withdrawal from there weapons, mercenaries, and only then can we say that Ukraine can move on to the next stages, ”said Gerashchenko after talks with the foreign ministers of Germany and France.

"We also raised this issue, because without closing the border, without the fact that Ukraine will resume its control on the Ukrainian-Russian border, we can not talk about sustainable peace in the Donbass",

added vice speaker.

Earlier, Sergei Lavrov said that Russia would not mind if the Kiev authorities agree on access to the site of the Russian-Ukrainian border with Donetsk and Lugansk.

Recall the regular truce regime in the Donbass entered into force on September 1, the parties agreed on this in Minsk on August 26.

Comments

[AdekvatNICK]

you even in the parliament of control can’t bring you to the border. Dig further the sea in silence and borrow more from the IMF and we will be happy for you.

[cniza]

It means never.

[Andrey K]

Judging by the statement of the vice-speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, Irina Gerashchenko, she tried (unsuccessfully) to continue the national fun of the Maydan people - to turn everything upside down and go ahead in front of the engine ...
They will convince the LDNR of their adequacy, so let them negotiate with them, and so ... playing to the audience and creating the appearance of "seething" (stupid) activity ...

[sgazeev]

For a long time, since 2001, was one of the most faithful and close associates of Yushchenko. She began cooperation when the third president was in the status of an oppositionist.

[klaus16]

And so it seems to be nicho. The contents of the shell are very dispersed, sorry.

[GSH-18]

Kiev: first control over the border, then a steady truce in the Donbass

But the face will not crack?

[Xnumx vis]

In the evening chairs. In the morning money. But money forward !! First, the execution of all Minsk agreements. And then the border! In a word, from a dead donkey, gentlemen, ears of gentlemen, maydanute Bandera Ukrainians!

[captain]

Our leadership in vain stopped the offensive of the militias and volunteers in the summer of 2014. This was a strategic mistake. Not even the capture, but the encirclement of Mariupol would have led to the complete collapse of Ukraine. Poroshenko and Turchinov spoke about this when they signed Minsk-2. The calculation of our leadership for reconciliation with the West did not come true. At the moment, the EU and the US are not ready to recognize Crimea as Russian, and no group of deputies from France and Italy will be able to change the decisions of Brussels in the near future. No one will lift the sanctions, the West expects that the people will begin to grumble and Putin will be forced to give up Crimea and leave Donbass. The miscalculation of our leadership led to the creation of a hostile state on the border with Russia and it will take a very long time to normalize relations with Ukraine, or it may turn out like with Poland. The Poles cannot forgive us for the three partitions of Poland and the deprivation of their "Eastern Kreses" following the results of the Second World War. They have become our enemies forever.

[AdekvatNICK]

do you think management has a less smart brain than you?

[lis-ik]

The leadership apparently has more compliant and flexible brains, because it has something to lose, hence the fifteen-hour talks on Syria and the suspension of the offensive in the Donbas, in Syria. The material factor is stronger than any weapon.
Apparently from the same series there are nightmare millions on the accounts of all functionaries, who, by any means, belong not only to them personally.

[AdekvatNICK]

in geopolitics it’s always like that. but often there is a choice of two evils.

[Genearl11]

It would not have been the leadership that would have been lost, but the poor who would have become poor, Putin does not need money, since he has absolute power, he can take whatever he wants in the country, and they imposed sanctions against his friends. This is idiocy from the same song that Stalin had nothing when the whole country belonged to him, from the smallest screw, to any human fate, money with such power was ordinary paper trash. And the actions of Russia previously listed are explained by economic weakness, he can only think that Russia has capture money e and the restoration of Ukraine under increased sanctions.

[Stas157]

Quote: Genearl11

Putin does not need money, since he has absolute power

Absolute power happens to dictators. Stalin, for example. Do you also consider Putin a dictator?
Personally, I think our whole power-liberal elite is obsessed with money, and nothing more! A turn towards the people, to import substitution, to the army happened because our elites did not agree with the Western ones and those sanctions were announced. And so everything would be old-fashioned, the whole gimmick. But, do not be fooled! The people will be thrown so and so in the window.

[lis-ik]

So this is not about Putin personally, but about the economic bloc of the government, which is either very weak-minded or they are firmly held for a causal place, and the president’s fault in inaction, used to think he couldn’t, now he’s sure he doesn’t want to!

[Rostov 2016]

Of course he does not want to! 1. He does not understand anything at all in economics - this is sometimes seen in reports from his meetings, except in those cases when he memorizes something by heart.
2. He himself is a liberal, in his own words, and his liberal bloc is quite happy.
3. He is not guilty of inaction - the current situation is precisely his direct action, and to us it is a liberal swamp, with its Western partners, to endure until 2024. minimum!

[captain]

But much more savvy than you.

[AdekvatNICK]

you are straight petrosyan)

[Koshak]

Quote: captain

But much more savvy than you.

[SPB.RU]

do you think management has a less smart brain than you?

No, he just argues from the point of view of a sovereign state :)

[AdekvatNICK]

he straightforwardly counted all the mistakes of the state. It is a pity that he wasn’t sitting in the Kremlin or we would have joined them all long ago. He’s a direct and uncompromising guy. No agreements. We quickly tear everyone and everyone is happy.

[Alf]

do you think management has a less smart brain than you?

The question should be posed as follows: What does the country's leadership think about the fate of the country or the fate of personal savings?

[passing]

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AdekvatNICK Yesterday, 12:04 ↑
do you think management has a less smart brain than you?

Judging by the growing mess in our country, the leadership is not trying to check for quick wits.

[Pasha]

25 years have been waiting for Crimea, and another 25 will wait for the recognition of the Crimea of ​​the Russian Federation.
the future is happening today!

[Berber]

They are our enemies from the 16th century, and maybe earlier. So the results of the Second World have nothing to do with it. Moreover, for the eastern lands they were given part of Germany.

[APASUS]

Quote: captain

Our leadership in vain stopped the advance of militias and volunteers in the summer of 2014. It was a strategic mistake. Not even a capture, but the environment of Mariupol would lead to the complete collapse of Ukraine.

At that moment, and perhaps now the question is not about taking all of Ukraine. The question is who will support 40 mil people. The task was to deploy politics, and not get involved in the war and take over the destroyed country. At the same time, it was hardly possible to change the brains , and now another year, well, two, and for the mention of Bandera, Ukrainians themselves will beat their faces.
Read what opuses the Nazis write in defense of Regor Vitaly, who tore the St. George ribbon on May 9 from a girl in Kiev. The Nazis really began to fear

[the lord]

I never believed that the acquisition of fertile land with a certain mineral content and a huge coastal zone near the warm sea, which can all be used as a resort, is such a really ruinous thing that the game is not worth the candle for them))))

[APASUS]

Quote: znavel

I never believed that the acquisition of fertile land with a certain mineral content and a huge coastal zone near the warm sea, which can all be used as a resort, is such a really ruinous thing that the game is not worth the candle for them))))

And with the people, excuse me, what will you do?
They themselves will resolve or still prefer them to provide social guarantees

[Same lech]

There can be no talk of a sustainable ceasefire in the Donbass until control over the Russian-Ukrainian border is restored, RIA Novosti reports the statement of the Verkhovna Rada Deputy Speaker Irina Gerashchenko.

Well, it is clear why this is necessary for the ukronazists.
Cross the road of life for the residents of DONBASS and LNR ... starve them and then arrange genocide for the survivors.

Fuck you.
The lies and deceit of the Kiev junta will no longer work.

[Monos]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Fuck you.

And they don’t want to agree. They were not given such a task.

[babai591]

Lech! - 100% nothing to add.

[Leviton]

Oh, I don’t like pieces of paper, but ... there is an agreement there are points, clearly in Minsk2 the four chapters agreed and signed, follow the order and you will be happy. After all, normal people have no problem counting integrals without studying them. First, fulfill the conditions of the previous requirements, and only then, stand up to guard the border (again, if the conditions of the previous ones are agreed with the DPR-LPR), to arrange a clowning party. Have fun in the parliament, but with populist promises and demands it’s for you to say at the polls for the people that you’ll never do it (they didn’t elect me and I would ...)

[The black]

This is a steady truce, the removal of weapons and mercenaries from there, and only then can we say that Ukraine can move on to the next stages, ”

In general, in other words, Bandera sent Steinmeier and Ayro on an easy erotic journey ...

[gg.na]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Well, it is clear why this is necessary for the ukronazists.
Cross the road of life for the residents of DONBASS and LNR ... starve them and then arrange genocide for the survivors.

Yes! For this, they need control over the border to kill the inhabitants of Donbass with impunity !! But I think so that if we understand this here, then at the upper levels we should also understand.

[Vend]

This is Ukraine’s response to Minsk-2. They will not perform it

[Smog]

Yes, they never intended to fulfill them. A good mine with a bad game.

[Berber]

What mines? What are you speaking about? Full inadequate there. Such a vinaigrette in the brains of ukroelectorate and their power is nowhere to be found.

[Revolver]

Quote: BerBer

What mines?

The caliber is 82 mm and higher, with which the ukronatsi regularly shell New Russia. Obviously they interpret the Minsk agreements in this way.

[Krasniy_lis]

bye, so the babosiks have already given, why bother then? You can show off. Until this tranche is "mastered".

[katalonec2014]

They modestly kept silent about total stripping.

[Same lech]

They modestly kept silent about total stripping.

They said ... we must remind.

[Garris199]

Still set conditions. To extinguish them and that’s all;

[DMoroz]

Reminds bargaining of 12 chairs:
- In the morning money - in the afternoon chairs, in the afternoon money - in the evening chairs. - Is it possible on the contrary? - It is possible, but money is ahead.
And so it’s for them: first Minsk-2, and then maybe we’ll listen to the other Wishlist

[BARKAS]

What is the problem? Ask Shoigu he closes politely and quickly.

[Phosgene]

Tired of this dill hamlo, it's time to remind them that all of their Ukraine on the map of 1654, and in the Donbass it was not, is not and is not necessary

[One of you]

Nothing has changed and is unlikely to change.
The Kiev junta will continue to ignore the terms of the Minsk agreements in the sequence of their implementation, since this is not included in the plans of the USA and the EU.
Provocations, shelling of the cities of Donbass, blockade of any ties between different parties to the conflict will continue.
The situation is stalemate, like Transnistria, and apparently Russia should prepare for many years of support for these republics, because otherwise, if you start to fulfill the demands of the junta (read the USA), the population of the DPR and LPR will be destroyed with the tacit consent of the "civilized world" or it will have to be accepted on Russian territory.

[grau]

One place to them on the wortnik

[mamont5]

Naturally, dill would like THIS, but ... who will allow them.

[VSZMK]

A fighter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) was detained in Kiev-controlled part of the Lugansk region for desertion and the murder of two colleagues. On Wednesday, September 14, reports "Strana.ua".
The murder was committed in the 28th separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces, located at the demarcation line in the Donbass. The soldier refused to obey the orders of the command and during the conflict with his colleagues killed two soldiers. Five more are wounded, reports the Lugansk Information Center with reference to Donbass militias.
After that, a fighter with a machine gun and three full shops went to him on foot to his homeland - to the city of Krivoy Rog, but was detained in the Luhansk region.
As clarifies "Strana.ua", the command of the Ukrainian army tried to hide the fact of a man’s escape and murder. Initially it was reported that the soldiers died in a clash with a reconnaissance group of militias.

[Vlad5307]

The current ukrobandite elite still imagines itself to be the most intelligent and cunning, of course after the exceptional ones from the SGA, but there is one known remedy with a screw for their cunning, and even secret nooks will not help to avoid retaliation from this tool!

[JonnyT]

Kiev is not in a position to set conditions. As far as I know, in the Minsk agreements control over the border is transferred to Ukraine only after a series of conditions that Kiev did not fulfill

[Tusv]

Caspade of their hohlareikh. Your owners would wash

[stayer]

To dictate their conditions to the enemy, he must first be defeated. It is not out of place every time to remind Kiev that the Minsk agreements were signed following the failure of the Armed Forces on the battlefield. And it was a stop and a pardon from LDNR. How would events have developed if they had not stopped the militias?

[Evgenijus]

... you must first defeat him

(i.e. enemy)

or as an option - to agree with the enemy, but with the signature of both parties. But you can not take the weapon. Only the losing side hands it. Under Ilovaisk, the losers (APU) did not surrender their weapons, and laid their heads, hundreds of heads.

[region58]

Quote: stayer

It is not out of place every time to remind Kiev that the Minsk agreements were signed following the failure of the Armed Forces on the battlefield.

According to their version, there was no failure. The Armed Forces of Ukraine applied a military trick, opened the encirclement ring and organizedly evacuated, simultaneously getting rid of outdated ammunition and equipment.
And in general, according to Poroshenko, the Ukrainian army is among the top five. Now I don’t remember, either on the continent, or in the world, or in Ukraine itself ...

[x.andvlad]

The Kiev juntas are haunted by an example of the liquidation of the Serbian Krajina. But they understand that their gut is thin for such a scenario, while the border is not under their control. Let them not even hope.

[Appraiser]

Let them dream, over the control of the border ...... Whatever the child is "amused", as long as not "cry".

[Krasniy_lis]

adherent of the sect # putinslil detective.

[sgr291158]

Not when this will not happen, there is no faith in them.

[rotmistr60]

without Ukraine renewing its control on the Ukrainian-Russian border, we cannot talk about a sustainable world in Donbass

Correctly they say "when the h.o.h.o.l was born, the Jew shuddered." Around and everywhere they are looking for loopholes for themselves. It is clear that peace in Donbass should not be expected in the near future. Nothing. Let's wait until Ukraine starts devouring itself.

[corporal]

Earlier, Sergei Lavrov said that Russia would not mind if the Kiev authorities agree on access to the site of the Russian-Ukrainian border with Donetsk and Lugansk.
Thin trolling, or are the first concessions (and how would they not go into the deflection) begin on our part?

[Krasniy_lis]

Well, Zakhar answered that Ukrainians would not get access to the border. So, that is obvious trolling.

[Baloo]

Kiev: first control over the border, then a steady truce in the Donbass

Then the genocide. People in the Donbass will interfere with the development of Biden shale, because they will have to be disposed of somehow by the Kiev organized crime group.

[electrooleg]

In other words, they want to surround the Donbass without a fight from all sides? Fools galleries?

[Mountain shooter]

The counter proposal is first a trial of the Kiev junta, fishing followed by sterilization of the Natsiks and Bandera, and only then LDNR decides whether to let someone to its border with Russia, or separate from inadequate territory nafig.

[An64]

Logically, everything is said correctly, but how are they going to implement this logic? To agree on the transfer of control over the border means that we will never proceed to the next stage ...

[RUS96]

Quote: cniza

It means never.

Well, why ... this mode is not eternal.

[Taygerus]

"Kiev: first control over the border, then - a stable ceasefire in Donbass"

it’s something from unscientific fiction, how a completely non-viable state can control its borders, jump on dillies gentlemen, start warming up near winter

[1536]

The question of Crimea is closed. The question of the border of Ukraine is the matter of Ukraine itself, where does Russia and Minsk-2? Let the Ukrainian government, which came to power through a coup, sit at the negotiating table with representatives of the DPR and LPR, and as a result let them decide who and when will control the border.

[Alex Xorkam]

A man speaks nonsense and does not blush. Who is stopping you from being baffled by establishing control over the border, besides yourself? All the Minsk agreements are dedicated to establishing control over the border, everything is phased out. Agree with the DPR and LPR and establish control, or Russia must allow you to the border through its territory. The remnants of the brain, if you have one, a pinch and go ahead - arrange to come to the border and control it, well, there’s no way to do this from a distance. Russia, of course, is not right that it considers you normal and does not show your full.

[Alexpman]

Quote: Garris199

Still set conditions. To extinguish them and that’s all;

We are only waiting for this so that brother goes to brother.

[ENG-MAN]

Kiev: first we will give you from behind, then we ourselves will take from you in front.

[sergey. 1967.1967]

and then to all ports at once!

[grandfather Mih]

"..because without closing the border, without the fact that Ukraine will resume its control on the Ukrainian-Russian border ..." - Ukraine is completely under the control of the junta. Bandera. Jews are killed by the hands of Jews. If it were not for Merkel, with her love for the Jews and her own rabid Russophobia, would not have begun to "dig" again. Link: http://vlasti.net/news/75533
30.6.1941/2/1941 the head of the OUN (B) S. Bandera addressed his supporters: "Destroy Lyakhov, Jews, Communists without mercy." “The attitude towards Jews was finally formulated at the XNUMXnd Great Congress of the OUN (B) in Krakow” (April XNUMX).
Yitzhak Arad: “The organization of Ukrainian nationalists spread anti-Semitism in its propaganda. Its leaders declared that there would be no place for Muscovites, Poles and Jews in their Ukraine ”. Polyakov is for "sho"? Half are of Jewish origin. Border control - the legitimacy of the fascist junta and the old woman's orgasm. MH-17 is not enough for her.

[rfv0304]

You need to drink less and sleep at night. Then there will be no bags under the eyes and stupidity will not go into the head or tongue.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Genearl11

Putin does not need money, since he has absolute power, he can take whatever he wants in the country.

What the hell is this? You yourself then at least understand that now you are becoming like those "eccentrics" (I can't soften it) from the Maidan 2014 .....

[FREGATEN]

Has anyone seen the real text of the Minsk agreements? If anyone has laid out fingers ... And then when it comes to performance, I feel uncomfortable like that .. And Kiev and Donbass and Moscow say that they are doing everything right, it’s written .... and who to believe then ?

[Krasniy_lis]

https://ria.ru/world/20150212/1047311428.html
for example

[skarl]

first control over the border, then - total massacre in the LPR, there is no doubt even that, they openly talk about it ...

[ochakow703]

From her words I understood only one thing - give up, otherwise it will be worse. But heh ......... and (vegetable theme). It’s time for the Ukropatriots to dig a ditch around the kuev, otherwise the fictitious Buryat armored troops of the mounted police will soon appear from behind the turn.

[23424636]

Lavrov, of course, said "well", Russia does not mind. What is in these words? Donbass draining, like the GDR by Gorbachev for PR or working off a "free" request of the outgoing black president. Donbass deserves solitude more than all the republics (Transnistria, Ossetia, Abkhazia, Karabakh). And then Minsk 1, then Minsk 2. The Kremlin has already let Akhmetov's scruffs to look after the territories where its enterprises are located as mayors or their deputies or heads of regional administrations, they are still sitting quietly but will soon start fussing. But in Moscow they kept silent about the drain of the heroes who recaptured this land. Who would never have allowed such a market "- not against." But we love and appreciate Zakhara as the only one who can be trusted here, he will not allow Lavrov's opinion to come true

[region58]

Quote: 23424636

Lavrov, of course, said "well", Russia is not against. What's in these words?

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said he has nothing against if Kiev can agree with the DPR and LPR to transfer the border under Ukrainian control.

“If Ukrainians agree with Donetsk and Lugansk, then for God's sake. But this should be exactly an agreement with them, because they, of course, did not forget the threats that continued and continue to sound from Kiev that “these are bandits, terrorists, criminals, their place in prison, and never in their life the leaders of the current republics will be considered by Ukrainians as acceptable partners, let alone election participants, ”he said on the Russia-1 television channel.

Lavrov noted that the opportunity to negotiate with the Donbass is now in the hands of Kiev and it must be used in the framework of the Minsk process, that is, to negotiate, and not to consult and do it your own way.

If you remove all the water, then poked his nose into Minsk-2.

[midshipman]

So control has long existed. Yatsenyuk built a fence, and crocodiles flounder in the ditch. Did you, madame, find this fence? I have the honor.

[gjkrjdybr50]

Was this year in Ukraine. I met with family, childhood friends and just acquaintances. There is almost a general opinion: "Why are you lizte before us?", Yakbi not vi (Russia), everything will be good for us "," In Lugandon, all needs will be rebuilt and outweighed, then everything will be garazd. "If the border is returned under the control of Ukraine, there so it will be, and the "partners" will close their eyes and say that there is no compelling evidence of mass executions.

[Charik]

et who is psaka ukrainian

[Evil 55]

They are naive, ukrofashiki ... But how can they agree with the republics, which for two years already suffer from constant shelling and terrorist attacks by the APU ..

[nov_tech.vrn]

that she painted under the blonde, so that to the heresy which carries indulgence? the order of actions was spelled out, otherwise, bye, control another border so that all zrobitsch not washed off to Europe

[Mestny]

Quote: lis-ik

Management apparently has more flexible and flexible brains, because it has something to lose,

When nothing depends on you, because you are a worthless stupid loser - you have absolutely nothing to lose. Then you can wave the saber on the forums. Anyway, this is not interesting to anyone. At least from those who are with brains and are responsible for a specific case.