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Gazprom received the first permission from Turkey to build the Turkish Stream

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The Russian company Gazprom reports that Turkey has given permission to build the Turkish Stream gas pipeline in the territorial waters of this state. This is the first building permit after the actual restoration of relations, interrupted last fall in connection with the attack by Turkish fighters of the Russian Su-24M, which carried out an anti-terrorist mission in Syria.


Press office Gazprom cites a statement by Alexey Miller about the permission provided by the Turkish side:
I would like to note the efficiency and coherence of work with Turkish partners in the first stage of the implementation of the Turkish Stream project.


Gazprom received the first permission from Turkey to build the Turkish Stream


Recall that in December 2014, PJSC Gazprom and Botas signed a memorandum of understanding for the construction of a gas pipeline. The Turkish Stream will link the Black Sea Coast of the Russian Federation Caucasus from the Russkaya compressor station in the Anapa region to the Turkish Kyykoy in the province of Kirklareli along the bottom of the Black Sea. Deliveries on the first line of the pipeline, according to the plan, will be intended for intra-Turkish consumption of "blue fuel" from Russia. Other threads can provide gas transit through Turkey to Greece and other European countries if they themselves want it. A few days ago, the Greek authorities declared that they are interested in participating in the gas supply project from the Russian Federation and are critical of Brussels’s statements regarding “energy sanctions” against Russia, on the basis of which Brussels is actually trying to leave southern Europe without direct supplies of Russian energy .
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  1. Temples
    Temples 14 September 2016 16: 59
    +23
    Bulgaria is saluting.laughing
    Suction as in Bulgarian will be?

    But then the Bulgarian lads showed themselves to be faithful puppies of the EU and the USA.
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 14 September 2016 17: 03
      +6
      Well, that's okay ... As the saying goes, "do not wash, so by rolling"! Still, Russia has a guardian angel, albeit a strict one))))
      1. cniza
        cniza 14 September 2016 17: 23
        +6
        It may take a long time until the last agreement, but there is a delicate geopolitical game in progress and how things will really be, we can only guess if we have too little information.
    2. Victor bg
      Victor bg 14 September 2016 17: 12
      +9
      "Smack" - pump ... "smack" suck
    3. Homo
      Homo 14 September 2016 20: 52
      0
      Quote: Temples
      Bulgaria is saluting.
      Suction as in Bulgarian will be?

      So they are already trying to stick. Even the European Commission on Energy got into trouble. smile
    4. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 14 September 2016 21: 17
      0
      Quote: Temples
      Bulgaria is saluting.
      Suction as in Bulgarian will be?
      But then the Bulgarian lads showed themselves to be faithful puppies of the EU and the USA.
      Turks from their hub will quickly agree to drive gas to the EU through Bulgaria than through Greece. So, wait and see.
  2. EvgNik
    EvgNik 14 September 2016 17: 01
    +6
    We are building - we are not building, we are pulling - we are not pulling. Conversations, conversations ...
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 14 September 2016 17: 08
      +5
      EvgNik
      We are building - we are not building, we are pulling - we are not pulling. Conversations, conversations ...
      Measure seven times! Once cut. Do not be surprised that the gas in the terminal in Japan and South Korea will go
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 14 September 2016 19: 18
      +15
      Hi, Zheka!
      Believe me, it’s all the same to me where people who sell this gas from the people will take away people's gas. Neither will I add to this.
      In addition, I know for sure that our gas pipelines are the most expensive gas pipelines in the world, for example, the Dzhubga-Lazarevskoye-Sochi gas pipeline.
      For us, in addition to raising gas prices, nothing good can be expected.
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 14 September 2016 22: 25
        +9
        Gazprom pays taxes in Russia if that ... No need to collect everything in a heap here!
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 14 September 2016 22: 41
          +8
          Quote: You Vlad
          Gazprom pays taxes in Russia if that ... No need to collect everything in a heap here!

          You are about enti taxes and the gassprom rubbing the treasures of the nation to the Batans, just do not forget to mention how much Gassprom liquidation has been handed out to pennies to your friends (you will say it’s sold out, yeah, only for bad loans) and don’t forget about miller zp, and about owners of daughters with offshore indicate the beneficiary.
          I argue lazily from ABSOLUTELY.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 14 September 2016 23: 29
            +6
            Well, of course, it’s lazy for you, you know it! And before that, the national treasure flowed right into your pockets! And the state has a controlling stake in Gazprom
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 14 September 2016 23: 59
              +6
              Quote: You Vlad
              And a state controlling stake in Gazprom

              Hare is already trending, how much can I? wink
              Well voooot:
              Major shareholders
              38,37 Russian Federation represented by: Federal Agency for State Property Management
              24,47 The Bank of New York Mellon
              10,74 Open Joint Stock Company "Rosneftegaz".


              THOSE. profits from the sale of gas are also distributed - you and I get only 38% of the gas produced by GAZPROM, because the contents of our subsoil, passing through the pipe to the surface, somehow transform and begin to belong to the technicians who stuck this very pipe. As if a neighbor, putting a pump on a well in your yard, sold water to everyone (well, including you), paying you a tax on this action. But I was distracted, let’s go back to GAZPROM, specifying that even 38% of the gas produced still belongs not to you and to GAZPROM, we only own a share in profit. Well, yes, there is Rosneftegaz, 100% owned by the Russian Property Agency , which was created as a "temporary storage" of shares of Rosneft and Gazprom. It was supposed that it will be liquidated as soon as it repays the received multi-billion dollar loan, but it still exists. What for? And then that a blocking package of 50% + 1 share should be EXACTLY in the same hands. and now even if the president suddenly says sha!
              You will have to negotiate with many characters for the decision to pass: "SHA".
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 15 September 2016 00: 23
                +5
                Well, let's continue ?!
                27% of the shares belong to our probable enemy, ugh partner, and 27% means that there is a "disclosure" of the shares. the owner of these 27% can hack to death the decisions made by the Company !!! Heh.
                Well, there are still shareholders:
                E. ON Ruhrgas AG, Germany's largest distributor of natural gas - 6,5%
                Deutsche UFG, a hedge fund company 100% owned by Deutsche Bank - more 3%
                NAFTA-MOSCOW, Cyprus company (guess why and by whom created) - 5,3%
                NAFTA-EAST, fund, Again, it’s not even worth explaining by whom it was created, - 1,5%
                INTECO (Yes Yes, Madame Baturina) - 1%
                The remaining 5,5% are sprayed between self-lover, children on milk and their loved ones.
                So, we are not able to firmly make an unambiguous decision on any actions of GAZPROM, but must agree with those who are preparing all this shit with gas supplies - amers, burghers and the 5th column, which owns assets located outside of Russia jurisdiction, and directly managing the concern.
                Well, and whose, damn gasgas?
                1. Genearl11
                  Genearl11 15 September 2016 06: 55
                  +3
                  I forgot to add that the state has a block package of more than 50%, but the state can vote with 10% as a percentage, simply not letting the rest of the shareholders attend the meeting. lawlessness to catch up with the FSB.
                  I also explain to stupid people why privatization is carried out, it doesn’t matter to the state who owns an enterprise located physically on the territory of Russia (it can always be squeezed out by turning on nationalization or turning on tax evasion and criminal cases with Yukos), the government needs management efficiency, which increases tax revenues. 90 % of cases, private management is much more effective than the state, which can be seen in the example of thousands of enterprises in various countries of the world.
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 15 September 2016 13: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Genearl11
                    Also, for stupid people I explain why privatization is carried out, it doesn’t matter to the state who owns an enterprise located physically in Russia

                    But you are not stupid, but a very dangerous enemy liberoid using Chubais and HSE training manuals.
                    Quote: Genearl11
                    To what it is necessary to be stupid so as not to understand, the state receives money not from profits from the sale of gas, but from taxes.

                    That is, given the fact that Gasagas OJSC can draw any cost price and add to it any expenditure part and space bonus, which are not taxed.
                    And even more so, the question is how the total income for the year will be distributed, net of tax 968 million. rub.
                    Quote: Genearl11
                    Lingering from LJ, and both the author and copy-paste have brains at the level of ciliates
                    Thus, The Bank of New York Mellon is a kind of intermediary between various investors and Gazprom.

                    In your opinion, it turns out that the use of popular bowels through intricate offshore schemes is gut? Is it effective management?
                    This is your nonsense and nonsense of people like you who are chubays, who have been derbant my Motherland for 25 years, as "effective" managers! am
              2. Genearl11
                Genearl11 15 September 2016 06: 16
                +2
                Lingering from LJ, and both the author and copy-paste have brains at the level of ciliates
                Thus, The Bank of New York Mellon is a kind of intermediary between various investors and Gazprom. Currently, more than 400 investors from 40 countries of the world are holders of American Depositary Receipts (ADRs). The majority of investors in ADRs are US and UK funds, which account for 45 and 20% of Gazprom’s total ADR, respectively.

                As of May 7, 2015, the shareholders of the company were [35]:

                - The Russian Federation represented by the Federal Property Management Agency (38,373%), Rosneftegaz OJSC * (10,970%), Rosgazification OJSC * (0,889%): total 50,232%,
                Rosneftegaz is a Russian company managing state assets in the oil and gas industry. Rosneftegaz is the owner of a 69,50% stake in Rosneft, as well as a 10,97% stake in Gazprom. Full name - Open Joint Stock Company Rosneftegaz

                The company’s activity is the ownership of state-owned stakes in Rosneft (until March 2013, 75,16% of the shares, then 69,5% [4]) and Gazprom (10,97%), as well as 7% of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium [5 ] [6]. The cost of these packages as of February 15, 2008 is $ 94,9 billion.
                About the decisions
                The decision of the general meeting of shareholders on the issue put to the vote is adopted by a majority of votes of the shareholders - owners of the company's voting shares participating in the meeting, unless otherwise specified by the Federal Law "On Joint-Stock Companies".
                To what it is necessary to be stupid so as not to understand, the state receives money not from profits from the sale of gas, but from taxes.
              3. You Vlad
                You Vlad 15 September 2016 10: 16
                0
                As of May 7, 2015, the company's shareholders were

                - The Russian Federation represented by the Federal Property Management Agency (38,373%), Rosneftegaz OJSC * (10,970%), Rosgazification OJSC * (0,889%): a total of 50,232%, and taxes are paid on each cube sold.
        2. nik1321
          nik1321 15 September 2016 06: 15
          0
          And what percentage of gasprom belongs to the state if what? And, accordingly, taxes - there are more conversations than taxes .. add here the problems that Russia received as a result of the gas trade - Ukraine, Syria, etc. It’s still good to calculate what it costs. Pluses are, of course, but there are enough minuses.
          1. Genearl11
            Genearl11 15 September 2016 08: 49
            +1
            Gazprom pays about 1.5 trillion taxes, budget revenues for 2016 13.5 trillion. Screaming beggars that Gazprom should belong to the people are nonsense, Gazprom should belong to the one who can most effectively manage and increase tax revenues. And the army and pensioners are currently receiving tax money from Gazprom.
  3. saltickov.
    saltickov. 14 September 2016 17: 13
    +15
    Quickly we forgot the dead pilot guys, VERY quickly.
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 14 September 2016 17: 20
      +10
      Yes, do not forget! The Turks came running to us with an apology ... And our pilot of the deceased, they will remember for a long time .. Eternal memory to him!
      1. User
        User 14 September 2016 18: 27
        +11
        Quote: STARPER
        The Turks came running to us with an apology.

        You can see a link to a source of information, preferably English, but better Turkish (today there is a great opportunity regarding translation). Oh yes, they are not there, in fact, and Turkish apologies. Turks did not resort and did not apologize! Their president just visited Russia and only local media found these mythical apologies from somewhere (just like with the US evidence: they exist, but we will not show them to you). All that was was "The Kremlin said" and "Edrogan regrets what happened." Of course he regrets, he is losing money! The dummy inflated out of nothing by the government of the Russian Federation exclusively for Russians, and the population of Turkey does not even suspect about it. Show me an interview where Edrogan says they did the wrong thing and condolences to the relatives of the soldiers who died. In the meantime, what is not, that is not.
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 14 September 2016 18: 43
          +7
          Quote: User
          Quote: STARPER
          The Turks came running to us with an apology.

          You can see a link to a source of information, preferably English, but better Turkish (today there is a great opportunity regarding translation). Oh yes, they are not there, in fact, and Turkish apologies. Turks did not resort and did not apologize! Their president just visited Russia and only local media found these mythical apologies from somewhere (just like with the US evidence: they exist, but we will not show them to you). All that was was "The Kremlin said" and "Edrogan regrets what happened." Of course he regrets, he is losing money! The dummy inflated out of nothing by the government of the Russian Federation exclusively for Russians, and the population of Turkey does not even suspect about it. Show me an interview where Edrogan says they did the wrong thing and condolences to the relatives of the soldiers who died. In the meantime, what is not, that is not.

          It’s hard to argue with you, and this opinion is usually spread in the liberal media (such as Moscow’s echo, etc.) Now they want to set citizens of Russia on power (they sold, humiliated, etc.) ... I know one thing, so far fight Russia it’s impossible, but Turkey is a member of NATO and its army is powerful (you won’t take it with a bang) And what happened, I don’t even know what to call either providence and luck, or subtle game .. But Russia came out in this confrontation as the Winner! We lost a lot and risked in this confrontation with the Turks and the Turks suffered even greater losses in moral terms (there are a billion bucks about economic silence) For our killed pilot, the price is very expensive on both sides! Nobody is going to embrace the Turks, but to build relations (so far this situation has developed in politics) It is necessary and faster, until the United States comes to its senses with Israel ... hi Something gotten into a lot, it just became a shame ... Such things are going on!
          1. User
            User 14 September 2016 19: 47
            +5
            If the opinion does not coincide with yours, write your opponent in liberals, so what happens?
            A positive attitude is certainly good, but I prefer to look at the situation soberly, rather than thoughtlessly accept one of the parties. Over the past few years, Russia's foreign policy has been very pleasing, honestly, it’s nice to read what Russia said there, and here it has taken measures. But this situation with Turkey turned out to be very unpleasant. Perhaps it was necessary to do so, but the sediment remained. But there really was no apology.
            1. OLD FART
              OLD FART 14 September 2016 20: 45
              +6
              Quote: User
              If the opinion does not coincide with yours, write your opponent in liberals, so what happens?
              A positive attitude is certainly good, but I prefer to look at the situation soberly, rather than thoughtlessly accept one of the parties. Over the past few years, Russia's foreign policy has been very pleasing, honestly, it’s nice to read what Russia said there, and here it has taken measures. But this situation with Turkey turned out to be very unpleasant. Perhaps it was necessary to do so, but the sediment remained. But there really was no apology.

              I have enemies on the site, and so enough ... You still did not have enough! hi bully
              I expressed my opinion .... And that’s it! And there is your right, who I am ... Here is a simple example ..
              I am often "knocked down" on the site and that I should declare war and ignore .. ???? I really want and it hurts (my heart attack even banged at that time., All the problems coincided just)))) No, you won't wait ...! We Russians do not give up ... These are the things in the tank troops. Good luck to you!
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 14 September 2016 17: 23
      +6
      Who is this "we" - the question?
      They forgot in the Kremlin with Gazprom, and at the same time, noooooooooooooo fast ... for them they don’t smell like blood and don’t call for conscience!
      Thugs rare, what else can you say ...
      1. Senior manager
        Senior manager 14 September 2016 22: 05
        +3
        So get over to where they will consult with you and make decisions which seem right to you.
    3. Sibbars
      Sibbars 14 September 2016 17: 27
      +2
      They forgotten nothing, they have already grabbed grief and it is not known how much more they will grab.
  4. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 14 September 2016 17: 14
    +9
    I remember in the article "Erdogan said that the" pilot error "led to the deterioration of relations between Russia and Turkey (31.05.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX), I wrote this:
    "The gandoer will now look for ways to recover economic losses. How long do you think it will take for our rulers to kiss his teeth again as before? Can we make bets?"

    Well, today is 14.09.16/XNUMX/XNUMX ... Our noble rage was not enough for six months. The surname Peshkov says something to someone or screams "we won't forget, we won't forgive!" as always turned out to be the quacking of some particularly patriotic patriots? Or Peshkov in a coffin with a hero's medal is one thing, and "Turkish partners" with a babos is another and don't confuse it, is that so? Ashamed, b **, ashamed! Shout now that Russia is not a gas station country. They do not know from which side the "people's" oil to sniff "partners". So much for "KNIFE IN THE BACK"!
  5. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 14 September 2016 18: 01
    +2
    Halfway through the construction of the gas pipeline, well, or closer to the end ---- remember our downed plane ..... Oh, let's catch ......
    What for it is necessary ..... Or a global question ???? but Putin has completely niht time for this matter ...
  6. Mentat
    Mentat 14 September 2016 18: 12
    +14
    Quote: Comrade Glebov
    Well, today is 14.09.16/XNUMX/XNUMX ... Our noble rage was not enough for six months. The surname Peshkov says something to someone or screams "we will not forget, we will not forgive!" as always turned out to be the quacking of some particularly patriotic patriots?

    Russia made a clear condition: the Turks apologized for the incident and compensation for the plane. An apology was received, Russia fulfilled its word. Compensations from the Turks in the form of geopolitical and economic preferences were received; they were backtracked on key issues. Why are you screaming like undersized pigs? We need to keep our word, we kept it. Do you offer hatred forever? By the same logic, it was then necessary to arrange a radioactive desert in place of Germany as revenge. And at the same time in the place of France, Austria, Poland and the USA, who fought and killed us, tortured, burned and poisoned many people. In this world, you need to live and somehow coexist with the "partners".
    1. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 14 September 2016 18: 33
      +9
      LLC, the herd woke up, loyal to its commander-in-chief. If it comes to that, then we must first wait for the very compensation to the families, which has been repeatedly stated as a condition of peace. And I'm most interested in who will be the first to howl with a slaughtered pig when the turchenyats arrange another filthy setup? Are you sure that tomorrow the United States will not offer more favorable conditions for perdoganych and that Gazprom's pipes that are almost reached will not be unnecessary? Will not the loudest screams be from your flock? I'm not pumping anything, it's just clear that Turkey realized that you can twist ropes out of ours, do whatever you want, and then say humiliatingly "Sorry!" and continue over again! And to celebrate, to send troops into Syria, which, I am more than sure, if they come out of there, then only feet forward, and this still needs to be tried. And YOU, my dear mentat, continue to "not oppress", tomorrow also forgive the great ukram debt. From you it will not lose, by God. laughing
      1. Senior manager
        Senior manager 14 September 2016 22: 12
        +1
        Please list with whom else Russia should not communicate, the list I will begin -continuation is yours. USA, Ukraine, Turkey ...
        1. Comrade Glebov
          Comrade Glebov 14 September 2016 22: 35
          +6
          Are you mine? I believe that you need to communicate with everyone. But communicate at least on equal terms, and not like that:
          Turkey: Hey, Russia! Russia, hear, you’re sorry for the airplane, you won’t get oil with tourists?
          Russia: Turkey you are my sweetheart, I am so glad, so glad, I already carry the hose!
    2. User
      User 14 September 2016 18: 35
      +6
      Quote: Mentat
      Why are you screaming like undersized pigs?

      The man expressed his opinion and I, for example, agree with him. And your comment shows disrespect for visitors to the site, the level of culture and education.
      1. region58
        region58 14 September 2016 19: 30
        +1
        Quote: User
        Quote: Mentat
        Why are you screaming like undersized pigs?

        The man expressed his opinion and I, for example, agree with him. And your comment shows disrespect for visitors to the site, the level of culture and education.

        But what does this comment show? And not only to site visitors.

        Quote: Comrade Glebov
        Ltd., a herd awoke, faithful to its commander in chief.

        High, high relations ... (c)
  7. my five cents
    my five cents 14 September 2016 18: 17
    +9
    the process has begun! In a couple of years, by 2018, oil transit through the Baltic states will stop. Then they will heal as they wanted! You look and 2019 will arrive in time for independent Ukraine. Class! Atas!
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 14 September 2016 18: 52
      +4
      Quote: my five cents
      the process has begun! In a couple of years, by 2018, oil transit through the Baltic states will stop. Then they will heal as they wanted! You look and 2019 will arrive in time for independent Ukraine. Class! Atas!

      That is why this gas pipeline is being built ... And there are still a couple of ideas! hi
  8. Mentat
    Mentat 14 September 2016 20: 14
    +5
    Quote: Comrade Glebov
    Ltd., a herd awoke, faithful to its commander in chief.

    If such a conversation began, then let me ask, and who will you actually be from, is it not from the “herd of sheep” that Navalny spoke about at the rally, is it not the defecation of the “Foundation for the Support of Democracy”, since the Commander-in-Chief is not good for you? Something like the little crap.

    Who will be the first to howl a slaughtered pig, when when the Turkish people will arrange another filthy setup?

    If tomorrow there’s a brick on your head, everything will be bad, it’s better not to leave the house.

    Are you sure that tomorrow the United States will not offer more favorable conditions for perdoganych and almost reached Gazprom pipes will not be unnecessary?

    Are you sure you will be alive tomorrow?
    You are engaged in frank demagogy. There are no 100% guaranteed events in the world. Turkey has lost about 10 billion dollars in a short time. Russia can push even harder; this is not the limit, and not only economically. Therefore, there is some certainty. A 100% guarantee is given only by the Lord God.

    I'm not pumping anything, it's just clear that Turkey realized that you can twist ropes out of ours, do whatever you want, and then say humiliatingly "Sorry!" and continue over again!

    One thing is clear: Turkey has tasted that such incidents during repetition will cost her much more, and that it will not cost just economic losses. They will also be, and the next time much harder, because you can use not only standard economic mechanisms, but also carry out several sabotage. Turkey has many pain points, to name only two of them: friction with Greece and the Kurds.
    The fact that you mumble here does not hold water.

    It’s also a joy to bring troops into Syria, which, I’m more than sure, if they come out from there, it’s only forward feet

    Your right to be sick on your head.

    tomorrow, I’m also sorry for the great ukram debt. But it will not decrease from you, by golly.

    That is, the individual is still not from Russia?
  9. Mentat
    Mentat 14 September 2016 20: 37
    +2
    Quote: User
    If the opinion does not coincide with yours, write your opponent in liberals, so what happens?
    And there really was no apology.

    Judging by what has been written, it’s more correct to write in impassable dumb * ts, because:

    with the BBC
    After Erdogan apology, Russia brings Turkey in from the cold
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36689801

    The Washington Post
    Turkish president apologizes for downing of Russian warplane last year
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/turkey-apolo
    gizes-for-shooting-down-russian-warplane-last-yea
    r/2016/06/27/d969e0ea-3c6d-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb
    _story.html

    National Interest
    Turkey's "Apology" to Russia: More Than Meets the Eye
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/turkeys-apolo
    gy-russia-more-meets-the-eye-16909

    FoxNews
    Russia: Turkish president 'sorry' for shoot-down of Russian military jet
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/27/russia-tu
    rkish-president-sorry-for-shoot-down-russian-mili
    tary-jet.html

    New York Times
    Seeking to Improve Ties With Russia, Turkey Apologizes for Downing Warplane
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/world/europe/ru
    ssia-turkey-erdogan-putin.html? _r = 0

    CNBC
    Turkey apologizes to Russia, raising prospects of renewed ties
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/27/turkey-apologizes-
    to-russia-raising-prospects-of-renewed-ties.html
  10. Mentat
    Mentat 14 September 2016 20: 40
    +2
    Quote: User
    Quote: Mentat
    Why are you screaming like undersized pigs?

    The man expressed his opinion and I, for example, agree with him. And your comment shows disrespect for visitors to the site, the level of culture and education.

    My comment shows my attitude to these to humans, which in 99% are fed from well-defined sources, and 1% falls on autumn aggravation.

    I admit the existence of pluralism of opinions, it is even necessary. However, the tone, manner of presentation and, finally, the “herd supporting his commander in chief” show clearly that this case is exactly the same.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 14 September 2016 22: 18
      0
      The style is very similar to the censor, but in Russia there are illiterate and not thinking males.
    2. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 14 September 2016 22: 32
      +4
      Well let's say that
      Quote: Mentat
      herd supporting its commander in chief
      was like an answer to
      Quote: Mentat
      Why are you screaming like undersized pigs?
      ... I just decided that you (since we switched to "you" from your first comment) is so clearer, no offense laughing
      and whose will you actually be, is it not from that “herd of sheep” that Navalny spoke about at the rally
      ... No, I'm a terrible ukrobander, an agent of the State Department and an African American. And who is it? After all, a true Russian patriot must shout "hurray!" with any decision of VVP or its bosses from Gazprom. "If tomorrow there is a brick on your head, everything will be bad, it is better not to leave the house." If I know that with a probability of 65-75 percent this will happen, then I will not go out. I will sit at home and drinks.
      Are you sure you will be alive tomorrow? You are engaged in frank demagogy.
      The probability of survival percent 90. This is enough to say that I am sure.
      Demagogy (dr. Greek δημαγωγία “leadership of the people; fawning on the people”) is a set of oratory and polemical techniques and means that allow you to mislead the audience and incline it to your side, using theoretical considerations.
      I was trying to persuade someone using such techniques to my side? I expressed my opinion, which, to my surprise, produced an explosion under your chair. AAA, I forgot, the minuses were canceled, now I can’t put it, it's a pity, a pity.
      The fact that you mumble here does not hold water.
      To begin with, you need to try to bring at least some reasoned criticism, except for poster slogans and "ironic arrangements" ala
      Your right to be sick on your head.
      That is, the individual is still not from Russia?
      . Of course not, the individual is an unambiguously paid State Department bastard, an agent of influence and liberoid. And who else will argue with a true patriot? Indeed, such people are not born in Russia! Putin told us there ... and Gazprom. soldier
      Py.Sy .: But all the same, you are lucky with the subunits. You can not even come to the polls for anyone, but still your favorite party will win. With the victory in the elections!
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 14 September 2016 21: 12
    +2
    The EU has fought so hard with dependence on Russian influence, but will get Turkish influence. And it will not be Putin, Erdogan’s friend is more tricky, he will turn gas supplies, this will have to be negotiated with him
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 14 September 2016 21: 29
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      The EU has fought so hard with dependence on Russian influence, but will get Turkish influence. And it will not be Putin, Erdogan’s friend is more tricky, he will turn gas supplies, this will have to be negotiated with him

      All right! And the valve in Russia will be ... It will be interesting to observe! bully

      While they will be sorted out there ... Russia has important things to do! hi
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 15 September 2016 13: 39
      0
      It's too early to rejoice. Since the construction has not really begun.
      And the second will first build a branch for the most TURKEY, and then for Europe.
  12. Erg
    Erg 14 September 2016 22: 02
    +6
    Shameful situation. Who did not understand - they poked us in the mud. There was no apology (link to the studio). Farce. Having experience and the ability to analyze, I can assume that during the period of "confrontation" between the Tureks and us, something very important happened. Not for us, of course, but for those in power. Little information, later we realize everything. I am sure that this whole vile story with our SU is a well-thought-out act with the "consequences" inherent in the plan. We were shown a movie with several directors. Maybe we should have jumped around the Turks and then "apologize"? And why - the Ottomans, after all, gave a ride? What idiots are we supposed to be stuffed with this sludge ...
    1. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 14 September 2016 22: 39
      +5
      I could not resist and got into a "star". Behold the essence. But be afraid, an evil mentat will come and expose you and me. We are evil and bad spies and enemies of the people. He will bring us to clean water with you am
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 14 September 2016 23: 35
        +5
        Come on, Glebov, butting with these "mentats", of which we have half the country!
        And even though they look in the eyes, they will still shout "God's dew" until they are hoarse!
        Well, they can’t live without the boyar’s whip ... they’re scared of living their own mind!
        1. kitamo
          kitamo 15 September 2016 07: 08
          0
          capmor,
          quote from your comment on the article * Motors with a thirst for Ukraine *:
          * ... Although they do not care how people vote ... the most important thing is that THEY themselves will calculate! *
          and this is a quote from, again, your comment, but to this article:

          Quote: kepmor
          Come on, Glebov, butting with these "mentats", of which we have half the country!


          Would you, my friend, have decided on THEM to vote for half the country, and the second half for liberals, communists and LDPRists, and therefore they have a majority in parliament, or do they themselves calculate?

          or do they pay you for the number of comments, but does the employer not bother with the sequence and logic of these? It’s time to improve the tariff schedule ...
          1. kepmor
            kepmor 15 September 2016 07: 33
            +1
            I personally, back in 2001, after the Kursk, decided that I was not on my way with this government!
            And the farther, the more convinced that I am right.
            Let everyone make his own choice ... like half of the country "walk in slaves" -please, flag in hand, vote for edro with Putin.
            For me it’s better to be alone than to be with anyone.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 15 September 2016 11: 03
              0
              And that Kursk also drowned the GDP?
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 15 September 2016 11: 15
      0
      Who didn’t understand, the power in Turkey was not uniform, the downing of our plane by the pro-Shtat military group forced Erdogan to take extreme measures and clean it physically! Everyone who was involved was cleaned up! Erdogan expresses deep regret over what happened and emphasizes his readiness to do everything possible to restore traditionally friendly relations between Turkey and Russia, as well as jointly respond to crisis events in the region, fight terrorism! Turkey entered the new silk road!
  13. Erg
    Erg 14 September 2016 22: 31
    +2
    Here, the other day, Solovyov conducted another program on the topic of September 11 ... Everyone cursed the notorious "terrorism". How ashamed of all this political elite. How the invitees posed as fighters against terrorism ... But to tell the truth - no one had enough testicles ... Clowns. I understand that the money needs to be worked out ... This is how we live ...
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 14 September 2016 22: 49
      +2
      Quote: Erg
      ut, the other day, Solovyov conducted another program on September 11 ... Everyone cursed the notorious "terrorism". How ashamed of all this political elite.

      The thing is that if there is no enemy, then it must be invented.
      Quote: Erg
      For what idiots we are believed to be stuffed with this sludge ...

      Exactly so, I completely agree with you!
  14. Mentat
    Mentat 15 September 2016 01: 26
    +5
    Quote: Comrade Glebov
    After all, a true Russian patriot must shout "hurray!" with any decision of VVP or its bosses from Gazprom.

    Russian patriot must first of all think. "Cold head and warm heart."

    You press on emotions in the absence of thoughts. Inflamed thinking with an excess of emotions is a good environment for impulsive, rash decisions, yellow revolutions and manipulation of opinion.

    That is why the attempts of home-grown pseudo-professionals like you on the Internet for 3 copecks look vulgar in a schoolboy way, stupidly by points:
    1) to make an emotional throw-in that weakens critical perception: “Peshkov in a coffin with a hero's medal is one thing, and“ Turkish partners ”with a babos are another thing and don't confuse it, so what? Ashamed, b **, ashamed! ";
    2) try to push on an emotional background messages like “the herd of the commander in chief” (in a negative sense, the analogue of “Putin hlo”), “the troops will come forward”, “drive the people’s oil”.

    Perhaps it somehow works with students, schoolchildren, some idle housewives of the hysterical personality warehouse, but other people visit this resource.

    Your (plural) attempts are so obvious, so wretched and sewn with white thread that you are given a wonder that someone else pays for it. Apparently because mass high professionalism, especially in this narrow niche, is a utopia. Therefore, such misery from propaganda climb forums and try to pass off their verbal diarrhea as work.

    And I’ll remind you again that I wrote to you, idiots of “propaganda professionals” unfinished by Joseph Goebbels: “The worst enemy of any propaganda is intellectualism”.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 15 September 2016 10: 54
      0
      Mentat completely agree with you + And I’m sure that most of them don’t even understand that I’m acting against their own interests hi
  15. Phosgene
    Phosgene 15 September 2016 05: 30
    +4
    The story of a Russian plane shot down by Turkey did not teach Moscow anything. Apparently there they drank the last brains with the girls in the saunas ... They were going to build a stream ... And at whose expense the banquet ?! At the expense of the Russian Federation ?! And tomorrow, Turkey will again go against the Russian Federation, it is a member of NATO and who will pay the Russian Federation for this pipe, maybe the Medvedev government will compensate for the losses of the Russian Federation from its own pockets ?!
  16. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 15 September 2016 06: 48
    0
    Erdogan, with all his duplicity, is unlikely to start sticking sticks in the wheels, especially for the gas traffic that Turkey itself needs. Let's see how the promise of financial participation in the construction of the pipe in Turkey, to the border with Greece, will be realized.

    Pipes for the offshore part, by the way, have already been bought by Gazprom and are in the Bulgarian port - so at least put these losses into action.
  17. ARES623
    ARES623 15 September 2016 07: 39
    +1
    "Other lines can provide gas transit through Turkey to Greece and other European countries, if they themselves want to."

    Something tells me that "other European countries" will freeze, but they will not "want", only an overseas owner can "want" in the EU. But to us, in fact, their warmth "does not care". We need to think about how, if necessary, to jump out of contracts for the supply of gas via the Ukrainian GTS after 2019 without loss. These contracts are the "Achilles' heel" of Gazprom today. It is because of them that Gazprom is trying to push through either TP or SP-2. The Americans will sign the TTIP with Europe anyway, and with a 99% probability, Gazprom will not put any pipe in the EU. There are not many options for the development of events. Either we need to pull the Ukrainian Nazis by the mustache so that they set up a couple of explosions on the GTS, or we ourselves do it by shifting the blame onto the same Natsiks, or to force Ukraine to declare war on us and use this circumstance as force majeure. There may be other options, but something needs to be done now. And at the same time, prepare for a change in the direction of movement of export volumes of gas and the volumes themselves. We will be squeezed out of Europe by intimidation and pressure on consumers. The pipe will remain, but they will not buy gas from it. The United States will eventually break Europe, don't go to grandma.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 15 September 2016 10: 48
      0
      Europe will have no alternative, the volumes of gas it needs cannot be supplied by anyone! Mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat the cactus tongueIf they think like you, their people will bear their problems above the roof!
  18. kit-kat
    kit-kat 15 September 2016 09: 30
    +2
    I do not like such an idea. Just been enemies, and on you! We build further, as if nothing had happened.
  19. Mentat
    Mentat 15 September 2016 18: 41
    +1
    Quote: Erg
    Shameful situation. Who did not understand - they poked us in the face with mud. There was no apology (link to the studio). Farce.

    Where do such people come from? Where do the people who plus it come from ??
    A few posts above brought a whole bunch of links !! Moreover, the central foreign media, which are not seen in sympathy for Russia. They didn’t teach to read, only to write?
    1. Mentat
      Mentat 15 September 2016 18: 56
      0
      Here they are, human bots who write the same thing, “not noticing” the refutation.

      As old as the world, even such hirelings were still sitting in the Areopagus, and later the theater hackers whistled and clapped for a small bribe. Today the Internet has appeared, and the profession of a rat, i.e., sorry, hacker, has not changed.
      1. User
        User 16 September 2016 10: 09
        +2
        You spoke very eloquently about me: that I am a bot and that me
        it is more correct to write in impassable stupid

        You think I'm pumping? But why can't I have an opinion different from yours? If you read the links provided by you, you can see: according to the Kremlin Edrogan apologized in the letter. If somewhere in the world a tragedy occurs and the president of the Russian Federation or Belarus (who, incidentally, have no relation to these tragedies) brings condolences to the country where this happened, then you can turn on the news and look at the record of these words. Here, Turkey is personally to blame, but where are the messages from its press service, where you can see how Edrogan says apologize.

        Sincerely your impassable dumbass and bot man.
    2. Erg
      Erg 15 September 2016 22: 50
      +2
      What - did the media "apologize? A miracle. I am writing again - I have not found the apology text anywhere. OFFICIAL!" fool