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Anti-aircraft missile system "Gibka-S"

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The Army-2016 military-technical forum held last week became a platform for demonstrating a large number of the latest developments of the domestic defense industry. For example, the Engineering Design Bureau (Kolomna) presented several of its latest projects in the field of anti-aircraft weapons. Visitors who had access to a closed part of the exhibition were given the opportunity to see for the first time a promising Gibka-S fighting vehicle. To increase the combat potential of MANPADS, it is now proposed to use special vehicles with a variety of different equipment.


The aim of the project “Gibka-S” was to create a promising system incorporating self-propelled vehicles with special equipment. Due to the existing equipment of the machine complex have the ability to monitor the air situation and to detect targets, as well as to attack the found objects using missiles man-portable air defense systems. It is expected that such use of existing MANPADS in the same system with the new equipment will significantly improve the effectiveness of combat work in comparison with existing anti-aircraft weapons.


Machine intelligence and control platoon commander. Photo Engineering Design Bureau / Kbm.ru


The development of the project "Gibka-S" was carried out by several organizations led by the Kolomna Engineering Design Bureau. The development and manufacture of individual components of the system was also assigned to NPP Rubin (Penza), the All-Russian Scientific Research Institute Signal (Kovrov), the Institute of Applied Acoustics (Dubna), the Saratov Aggregate Plant, the Ryazan Instrument Plant and the Federal State Unitary Enterprise GosNIIAS " (Moscow). Together, several companies have shaped the whole system, and then implemented it in the form of prototypes.

As can be seen from the name of the new project, it is based on some ideas that have already been used to create promising systems. Since the middle of the last decade, the domestic defense industry has been producing the Gibka anti-aircraft systems designed for boats and small displacement ships. The complex of this type is a launcher with mounts for the installation of missiles of existing MANPADS. In addition, "Bending" is equipped with optical-electronic equipment to search for targets and pre-targeting missiles. In the new project, similar ideas were adapted for use by land forces.

The system "Gibka-S" consists of two main components that ensure the growth of combat capabilities of existing MANPADS. This is a combat vehicle of the anti-aircraft gunners unit (BMO), as well as a reconnaissance and command vehicle of the anti-aircraft platoon commander (MRUK). Both vehicles of the complex are proposed to be built on the basis of existing protected vehicles with the required mobility characteristics. So, the already existing prototype of the Gibka-S system is based on domestic-made Tiger armored cars. Due to this, the calculation of the anti-aircraft complex gets the opportunity to move along the highway or over rough terrain, accompany convoy, etc.

The tasks of tracking the air situation, finding targets and issuing target designation are assigned to the reconnaissance and command vehicle of the platoon commander. MRUK is proposed to be built on the basis of the existing automobile chassis, such as the armored vehicle "Tiger". During the modernization of the new project, the base machine receives a set of various equipment necessary for solving basic tasks. Part of the units is mounted on the roof of the hull, and some devices are placed inside the cab. Thanks to such an upgrade, the machine is able to perform all the tasks assigned, thus increasing the efficiency of the anti-aircraft gunners.

Some devices designed to solve new problems are installed on the roof of the base machine. First of all, it is a turntable with an antenna of the Harmony 1L122 radar. The antenna is located in front of the roof and is able to maintain a circular view of the airspace. Behind the turntable there are other elements of instrumentation, including communication systems, etc.

Anti-aircraft missile system "Gibka-S"
Radar 1Л122 "Harmony" in a figurative version. Photo Arms-expo.ru


Radar 1Л122 is designed to detect air targets of various types, their automatic tracking and the issuance of information on the routes to various consumers. A characteristic feature of the station, which positively influences the parameters of its work, is the use of a phased antenna array of 1200x800 mm size. A horizontal overview is provided by the antenna's turning mechanisms, a vertical one by electronic scanning. Depending on the modification, Garmonium Station is capable of updating target data with a tempo from 2 to 10 s, which is caused by the speed of the turn of the antenna array.

By receiving a constant voltage of 22-30 V and consuming up to 800 W, the station provides a search for targets at distances up to 40 km and altitudes of at least 10 km. Provides a circular view of the azimuth and tracking of the sector within the elevation angles from -5 ° to + 45 °. The maximum speed of the air target is 700 m / s. The coordinates of the target are determined with an accuracy of 100 m in range, to 30 'in azimuth and to 1 ° 30' in elevation. It is possible to work in the conditions of the use of passive and active interference by an adversary of a certain power.

In the original configuration, which implies the use of a mobile system with the possibility of carrying, the 1L122 radar is equipped with a control and monitoring system in the form of a protected laptop computer and communications equipment. In the case of the MIBC of the “Gibka-S” system, such equipment is permanently mounted inside the cab of an armored car. A computer that provides data processing and information output is installed at the operator’s workplace. Such an arrangement should greatly facilitate the work of the MRUK crew, as well as increase its efficiency.

Data on the found targets can be transferred to the combat vehicles of the unit, for which the MRUK has the required communication systems. Declared a guaranteed range of communication between the BMO and MRUK at least 8 km, provided by the movement of cars. In the parking lot, a command vehicle can drive other means of the complex within 17 km.

The reconnaissance and control machine is operated by a crew of three. The driver, the commander and the operator-telephonist are located in the cab of the armored car. The task of the latter is the operation of electronic equipment with a search for targets and issuing target designation to anti-aircraft gunners.


Combat vehicle secessionists. Photo Engineering Design Bureau / Kbm.ru


The task of attacking and destroying targets is assigned to the fighting machine of the squad. As the name implies, this machine transports an anti-aircraft gunner unit with weapons, ammunition and necessary equipment. Like MRUK, all necessary equipment is mounted on an existing armored car, both inside it and outside the hull. Equipment BMO, above all, consists of a launcher of new design and control systems for all systems.

The prototype of the BMO Gibka-S, presented at the recent Army-2016 exhibition, was equipped with a launcher for the installation of existing missile systems. The basis of this device is a platform mounted on the upper hatch of the hull and, probably, equipped with horizontal pickups. In the center of the platform there is a rack necessary to accommodate the remaining units. The launcher includes a platform rocking in a vertical plane with mounts for MANPADS and some other devices. With the help of remote-controlled drives, the operator of the complex can carry out vertical and horizontal guidance necessary for the correct operation of the homing missiles.

As can be seen in the published photographs, the Gibka-S system launcher can be equipped with four transport-launch containers of portable anti-aircraft systems. In this case, the rockets in the containers are not completed with the standard trigger mechanisms, the role of which is played by the built-in equipment of the installation. In addition, the rocking part of the launcher has optical-electronic equipment, with which the operator must conduct observation and search for targets.

According to the information provided by the developer of the complex in the person of the Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau, the fighting machine of the Gibka-S branch can use various types of missiles. There is compatibility with relatively old portable complexes "Igla-S", which are in service with different countries, as well as with the latest systems "Verba". This feature of the complex can give the new project certain advantages of both tactical and technical and commercial nature. In addition, the flexibility of the anti-aircraft system is greatly enhanced.

The combat characteristics of the Gibka-S system primarily depend on the missiles used. Accordingly, the use of MANPADS of the type “Igla-S” or “Verba” can have a noticeable effect on the basic parameters and effectiveness of combat work. However, in both cases, a high probability of destruction of low-altitude objects, which are the main objectives of portable systems in the original configuration, must be ensured.


Exhibition layout MANPADS "Igla-S". Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The use of 9М338 missiles of the Igla-S complex allows the new BMO to attack planes, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles of various types. The range of damage reaches 6 km, height - from 10 m to 3,5 km. There is a possibility of hitting targets flying on opposite courses at speeds up to 400 m / s. On follow-up courses, the target speed must not exceed 320 m / s. Product 9М338 has a length of 1635 mm and a cylindrical body of large elongation diameter 72 mm. Rocket mass without container - 11,7 kg. Guidance on the target is provided by the infrared homing head. To hit targets, a high-explosive fragmentation warhead is used.

MANPADS "Verba" is a further development of ideas and solutions embodied in previous projects, and also uses new technologies and components, which leads to an increase in basic characteristics. According to available data, during the creation of the Verba complex, special attention was paid to increasing the probability of hitting the so-called low-emitting targets - cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, high-precision weapons, etc. The task of increasing the sensitivity of the homing head with an increase in the probability of hitting the target was successfully solved with the help of infrared equipment operating in three bands and capable of detecting radiation sources with greater efficiency.

According to open data, the Verba 9М336 rocket is capable of striking aerial targets at ranges up to 6 km and altitudes from 10 m to 4,5 km. The speed parameters of the targeted target remained at the level of systems of previous types, such as Igla-S. With the help of a three-band homing head, a rocket is launched at a target hit by a high-explosive fragmentation warhead. From the point of view of the main features of the layout and operation, the newest “Verba” MANPADS hardly differs from the previous systems of its class developed in our country. At the same time, there is a certain advantage in the main combat characteristics.

The ammunition of the combat vehicle of the branch "Gibka-S" consists of eight missiles in transport-launch containers. Four of them are the first-line ammunition and are mounted on the launcher. Four more missiles are proposed to be transported inside the base armored car. After the ready-to-use ammunition is used up, the crew must independently remove empty containers from the launcher and fix new TPCs with missiles in their place, after which the BMO can again fire at the targets.

The crew of the LMC consists of four people. This is a driver, a squad leader and two anti-aircraft gunners. The crew has a set of equipment necessary to communicate with the command post or machine reconnaissance and control, obtain data on targets, as well as control the launcher and missiles on it. At the same time, it is alleged that the BMO systems have the highest possible degree of automation, which removes the need for the crew to perform certain tasks during combat work.


Layout MANPADS "willow". Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The method of combat use of the system "Gibka-S" implies the simultaneous operation of the reconnaissance and control vehicles of the commander and the combat vehicles of the anti-aircraft gunner unit. The capabilities of the mobile command center of the new model allow you to simultaneously control six BMOs or four anti-aircraft gun units equipped with 9-XNNUMX automation kits. Also provided the ability to interact with the command posts of the higher level. In such work, the task of the MRUK is to obtain data from other command posts, as well as independently monitor the situation in the air. In the case of detection of targets and the decision to destroy them, the platoon commander gives the appropriate order, and also sends target information to the combat vehicles or divisions of anti-aircraft gunners.

Placement of all the facilities of the complex on the automobile chassis provides a fairly high mobility. This makes it possible to quickly transfer anti-aircraft gunners to the desired area, to protect those or other stationary objects, as well as escort convoy. In addition, it is possible to use the Gibka-S system as part of an echeloned air defense system built using other systems with different characteristics.

To date, the project of the anti-aircraft complex “Gibka-S” has been brought to the stage of construction and testing of experimental samples. The prototypes of the two main machines of the system a few days ago were first demonstrated to specialists and military leaders as part of the closed exposition of the Army-2016 forum. This time, access to promising designs was obtained only by representatives of the Russian armed forces. In the near future, the organization-developer intends to show new models of equipment to foreign military, which can later become customers.

The project "Gibka-S" is of great interest both in terms of the overall concept, and in terms of the implementation of original ideas. By creating some new devices and units, a self-propelled anti-aircraft missile system was developed, which included the use of existing samples to the maximum. So, as the basis for both machines of the Gibka-S system, the Tiger serial armored cars are used, it is proposed to make target detection using the Harmony radar, and the Igla-S and Verba serial missiles are used as weapons. Thus, certain advantages associated with the widespread use of finished components have been achieved.

The anti-aircraft complex of the original architecture, proposed in the project "Bending", may be of great interest to various customers from different countries. The simplicity and low cost of the system can contribute to the appearance of orders for the supply of serial equipment. In addition, an additional factor that has a positive effect on the commercial potential can be considered the wide distribution of Igla family of anti-aircraft missiles, compatible with the new self-propelled complex. Such portable complexes are in service with our country and foreign countries. Due to this, any operator of the Igla-S system can be considered as a potential customer.

To date, the project of the anti-aircraft system "Gibka-S" is out of the design stage and, apparently, has reached the test. Now the experienced equipment must demonstrate its capabilities in the conditions of the landfill, as well as confirm the design characteristics. After successful completion of the test, contracts for the supply of such equipment can be expected. Domestic and foreign armed forces can be buyers of the machines of the “Gibka-S” complex. Who exactly wants to strengthen its air defense with a new Russian design will be known later.


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  1. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 12 September 2016 06: 36
    +4
    The right thing - from tablets - designators to a different level of use of MANPADS have moved ......... now and their own radar will allow you to respond more quickly ...... that is - Good.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 12 September 2016 07: 23
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      Quote: Volga Cossack
      The right thing - from tablets - designators to a different level of use of MANPADS have moved ......... now and their own radar will allow you to respond more quickly ...... that is - Good.


      I understand that this is our more effective analogue of the American Avenger. But at the same time it is worth noting that unlike the Strela-10 and Wasp air defense systems, the Tiger chassis, with all its advantages, has the worst cross-country ability and does not float. If the "Gibka-S" air defense system will replace the air defense systems in the regimental echelon, this will be a step back in terms of mobility.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 12 September 2016 09: 58
        +2
        I agree not for our forests.
        Nevertheless, the system can also be used on tracks, and wheels for export to southern countries.
        1. VP
          VP 12 September 2016 10: 14
          +2
          There are caterpillar variants of the Shell, what is the problem?
          Bending will go to cover small units and objects
          1. 1_2
            1_2 14 September 2016 17: 54
            0
            for Bending, apparently short-range air-to-air missiles will use
            1. just exp
              just exp 14 February 2017 05: 40
              0
              Hi Cap, I really didn’t know who could explain to me that medium and long-range missiles would not be launched from MANPADS.
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 12 September 2016 13: 16
        +4
        Sergey, hello
        According to the article, it is absolutely incomprehensible how this Bending System is going to be built into the existing air defense of the air forces. To replace the S-10 or MANPADS? Probably the first. True, any spy will get confused with the current OSH.
        It’s clear that the MRUK with the accordion is an analogue of the Soviet-era SPM-1. But the SPM was one for the entire regiment (and that, far from all divisions had time to get out), and now, it seems, they want to make 1 per battery.
        Here is a similar discussion
        http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1178&p
        = 13
        And here
        http://vpk.name/news/162461_minoboronyi_ispyitalo
        _edinuyu_integrirovannuyu_sistemu_pvo.html
        and here
        http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1178&p
        = 11
        The most important (in my opinion) information has passed, which not a single dog has paid attention to - that it does not shoot is uninteresting
        The commanders of regiments, divisions and brigades receive all the information about the enemy operating in and near their areas of responsibility, which allows you to decide how best to repel an air raid and cover a given object. At the same time, pilots in the air and anti-aircraft systems on earth will see only those targets that they need to intercept or that are dangerous to them.
        It must be understood that the integrated structure of the automated control system includes not only Polyany, but also the regimental unit, including the ballistic control and the 12 launcher? In my opinion, it’s too good to believe in it
        -----------------------------------
        and VIM-a answer
        Barnaul-T in each combined arms brigade. Formats, single protocols, standard interface for pairing.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 12 September 2016 16: 35
          +4
          Quote: sivuch
          Sergey, hello

          Hello, Igor! I am now in Crimea, the climate compared to the Far East is certainly paradise, but there is no mobile Internet.
          Quote: sivuch
          The most important (in my opinion) information has passed, which not a single dog has paid attention to - that it does not shoot is uninteresting
          The commanders of regiments, divisions and brigades receive all the information about the enemy operating in and near their areas of responsibility, which allows you to decide how best to repel an air raid and cover a given object. At the same time, pilots in the air and anti-aircraft systems on earth will see only those targets that they need to intercept or that are dangerous to them.
          It must be understood that the integrated structure of the automated control system includes not only Polyany, but also the regimental unit, including the ballistic control and the 12 launcher? In my opinion, it’s too good to believe in it

          I also can not believe it!
  2. Rozmyssel
    Rozmyssel 12 September 2016 07: 12
    +2
    the tank regiment used to be covered with shilka, arrows 10, tunguska, this new complex has a flexible cover / shelling zone of 6km, which already exceeds the 10-5km arrow and is slightly inferior to the 8km tunguska. But this complex is cheaper and the cost of the complex is -2 cars and operation. Although? Well, in general, let the military decide how useful such a complex and the degree of its application can be.
  3. Yak28
    Yak28 12 September 2016 07: 13
    +1
    Who ever comes up with moronic names for military equipment “Gibka-S”, “Armata”, “Msta”, “NONA” and so on. lol
  4. Des10
    Des10 12 September 2016 07: 31
    +3
    "Receiving direct current with a voltage of 22-30 V and consuming up to 800 W, the station provides search for targets at ranges of up to 40 km and altitudes of at least 10 km."
    smile no more than 10 km.
    Thanks for the article, nice to read. Still used to compare with similar complexes of ours and foreign.
  5. venik
    venik 12 September 2016 08: 00
    +2
    Quote: Bongo
    In the event that the Gibka-S air defense system replaces air defense systems at the regimental level, this will be a step backward in terms of mobility

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    Yes, how to say! As practice shows, the means of air defense of the regimental level of the crane rarely have to overcome water obstacles by swimming ... This option is practically not in demand. But the wheeled chassis, high speed (including when moving in a column) and a large power reserve - this is just what you need! Especially when used in areas with a developed road network and / or dense soils.
    Well, considering that apart from "Strela-2" and "Wasp" (both are already outdated) in the Army, in general, it is not, then just such a complex will be very useful !! In fact, this is an inexpensive (in production and operation) replacement for Strela-2. Well, after all, no one canceled the floating and tracked chassis ...
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 12 September 2016 09: 05
      +3
      Quote: venik
      Yes, how to say! As practice shows, the means of air defense of the regimental level of the crane rarely have to overcome water obstacles by swimming ... This option is practically not in demand. But the wheeled chassis, high speed (including when moving in a column) and a large power reserve - this is just what you need! Especially when used in areas with a developed road network and / or dense soils.
      Well, considering that apart from "Strela-2" and "Wasp" (both are already outdated) in the Army, in general, it is not, then just such a complex will be very useful !! In fact, this is an inexpensive (in production and operation) replacement for Strela-2. Well, after all, no one canceled the floating and tracked chassis ...


      Well, let's start with the fact that "Strela-2" is the first Soviet MANPADS with an uncooled TGS, and not an air defense system. No. Anti-aircraft systems should provide not only cover when driving on the highway.
      1. venik
        venik 12 September 2016 12: 58
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        Well, let's start with the fact that "Strela-2" is the first Soviet MANPADS with an uncooled TGS, and not an air defense system

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        Sorry! I got excited - I meant "Arrow-1"! Sclerosis!!!
        Quote: Bongo
        Anti-aircraft systems should provide not only cover when driving on the highway.

        Well of course!
        The fact is that tracked vehicles, not only disfigure the highway, but also have a significantly lower travel speed (on the highway and in the convoy). In fact, army convoys have a nominal highway speed of 60 km / h (up to 80 km / h if necessary and possible). Tracked vehicles - usually 40 km / h. In addition, tracked vehicles require large intervals (which "stretches" the column). The result is that wheeled vehicles (including air defense systems) can be thrown (from point to point) much faster and more stealthily.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 12 September 2016 16: 38
          +1
          Quote: venik
          Sorry! I got excited - I meant "Arrow-1"! Sclerosis!!!

          Vladimir, you got excited about Strela-1 too! SAM Strela-1 is just on the wheeled chassis of the BRDM-2. At the moment, this complex has been removed from service in Russia.
  6. svp67
    svp67 12 September 2016 08: 01
    +2
    The buyers of the Gibka-S complex can be domestic and foreign armed forces.
    To hell with foreign, in their own armed forces to develop this technique, and even in the version for the landing, and quickly. This is a very necessary technique in the regimental echelon, since now fighters with MANPADS, in common parlance "people's avengers", are getting more opportunities to protect our troops from all sorts of flying foes ...
    1. venik
      venik 12 September 2016 08: 11
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      To hell with the foreign, in their own armed forces, this technique, and even in the option for landing, to develop, but quickly

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      Well, don't tell me! It was export that at one time allowed the "defense industry" not to "die of hunger" and begin rearmament of the Army. And now it allows you to "earn" currency, etc. actually reduce the cost of equipment purchased "for yourself". And therefore you can buy more!
  7. okko077
    okko077 12 September 2016 09: 11
    +1
    Let's analyze. Why do we need a radar if guidance is provided by the MANPADS themselves? To get ready. The detection range is up to 40 km and 10 km in height, the firing range is 6 km and up to 4,5 in height. The communication range is 10 km, and it is possible to transfer information to the top. Why? If the top can hit, then it means he himself can see. Second, what area can this craft cover? Not funny? It seems that a circle of skillful hands made an urgent model for the holiday from old parts. Why is it needed? ... And this is in the age of global information systems with the use of all sources of information, from UAVs to satellites. Instead of a single concept of application - scattered, primitive and useless devices ...... One name "operator-TELEPHONIST" is worth it! Why not "operator-telegraph operator", or "operator-morzist"? .........
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 September 2016 09: 22
      +1
      Let's analyze

      Let's
      The communication range is 10 km, and information can be transmitted upstairs. But why? If the top can hit, then it means he can see. Second, what area can this craft cover up for? Not funny? It seems that the circle of skillful hands made an urgent model for the holiday from old details. Why is it needed?
      Now imagine the following combat options:
      - with what and how to reliably cover the airborne landing areas?
      - How close is that "top" that sees everything and can do anything?
      “And even if he sees everything, how quickly can he?”
      This also applies in part to naval assault forces and the operations of ground forces battalions, especially when conducting maneuver operations when they are in isolation from the main forces.
      1. Vz.58
        Vz.58 12 September 2016 10: 33
        +1
        Major airborne operations are not foreseen by NATO command. It is assumed that with modern air defense weapons, losses during such operations can be 100% of manpower and equipment even before approaching the landing area. Such operations are allowed against the “Papuans,” as they say in Russia. But such operations are not necessary either. The use of small but well-armed groups is envisaged, which will be parachuted from high altitudes and at a considerable distance from the landing site. With the use of parachutes with a large gliding coefficient (gliding?) The landing point can be located several tens of kilometers from the place of drop.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 September 2016 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: okko077
      What for? If the top can hit, then it means he can see.

      And then, that "top" collects information about the air situation from all sources. And he may simply not have radar coverage where these "Gibka-S" (in the advanced units) operate.
      In addition, the Center may issue data to the air defense system to defeat those goals that it sees and they don’t see, but which, nevertheless, will enter their zone soon.
      Quote: okko077
      Second, what area can this craft cover up for? Not funny?

      This air defense system solves exactly the same tasks as the repeatedly modernized Strela-10.
      Quote: okko077
      And this is in the age of global information systems using all sources of information, from UAVs to satellites. Instead of a single application concept - disparate, primitive and useless devices ..

      Mutually conflicting sentences within the same paragraph are strong. They themselves wrote that:
      Quote: okko077
      Communication range 10 km, and transmission of information up.

      That is, the data of the air defense missile system sit in the general air defense network, "feed" it with data from their radar (if there is an order to turn it on), and in response they receive a general picture of the VICO and the control center for specific targets.
    3. venik
      venik 12 September 2016 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: okko077
      Why do we need a radar if guidance is provided by MANPADS themselves?

      ====
      At least to have time to prepare to repel the attack

      Quote: okko077
      The communication range is 10 km, and information can be transmitted upstairs. But why? If the top can hit, then it means he can see.


      ===
      And if it can't? Or is it not in time? Do you even imagine what an ESCHELONED air defense system is? Or just the "sitting on the couch" opinion ???

      Quote: okko077
      Why is it needed? ... And this is in the age of global information systems using all sources of information, from UAVs to satellites. Instead of a single application concept - disparate, primitive and useless devices ......


      ===
      This is precisely the purpose of creating a UNIFIED (information-related) air defense system of ALL levels, this system was created! The fundamental difference from Strela-2, which it is intended to replace, consists in THIS. It IS part of the GENERAL information field of the air defense of the ground forces !!!


      Quote: okko077
      The name "operator-TELEPHONIST" alone is worth it! Why not "operator-telegraph operator", or "operator-morzist"? .........


      ====
      Yes, call at least "junior assistant senior janitor" !! What's the difference! The main thing - the essence is clear - the operator provides information exchange (both "horizontally" and with higher control points)!
      1. okko077
        okko077 14 September 2016 01: 25
        0
        I used to call a spade a spade and expressed my opinion about a useless system for a festive event and in the accompanying whining I heard nothing sound. You, what protects this fake of yours? How much expression and pressure, but there is not enough logic and evidence. What contradicts and where is the essence ....... You read that you sculpted, except for nonsense and denial there is nothing ... .
  8. rudolff
    rudolff 12 September 2016 10: 32
    +3
    It would be more interesting to place the radar and air defense systems on the same machine, and the air defense system is removable and with vertical missile launch. Fast, mobile, compact. And so ...
    1. venik
      venik 12 September 2016 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      It would be more interesting to place the radar and air defense systems on the same machine, and the air defense system is removable and with vertical missile launch. Fast, mobile, compact. And so ...

      ===
      First - EXPENSIVE.
      Secondly - the task of the radar station: to issue target designation (azimuth, altitude, range), and then it can even turn off, even from the positions of "fade" (if it has time), and the battery will already be ready for a "warm meeting" of the enemy in PASSIVE mode ( i.e. showing NOTHING)!
  9. marshes
    marshes 12 September 2016 11: 00
    0
    Good thing, can someone tell me what kind of module on the roof of Arlan and Iglmi is installed.
    1. venik
      venik 12 September 2016 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: marshes
      can someone tell me what kind of module on the roof of Arlan and Iglmi is installed.


      This is the "Komar" module (simpler and cheaper), but "Flexible", although more expensive, is a more advanced system and has a greater potential for modernization.
  10. Winnie76
    Winnie76 12 September 2016 12: 42
    0
    As far as I understand, each BMO has 3 target channels. One automated and two shooters with MANPADS. Having placed 6 such BMOs, the sky closes tightly from any helicopters, drones and other low-flying low-speed ships.
  11. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
    Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 12 September 2016 12: 57
    0
    "... the station provides search for targets at ranges up to 40 km and altitudes of at least 10 km."
    I hope this is a mistake and should be: "altitudes not more than 10 km." For with such "range - height" figures, the entire reconnaissance and target designation system can be replaced by one observer with binoculars. What is called: "Cheap and cheerful"! The contrail is already visible at an altitude of 8 - 9 km and from a distance of about 35 - 37 km.
    1. Vlad Gore
      Vlad Gore 12 September 2020 16: 04
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      at night too?
  12. Operator
    Operator 12 September 2016 14: 31
    +1
    MANPADS are powerful in their covert application - passive visibility / guidance in the optical range. Attaching an active radar to a MANPADS, and even with a radio horizon of only a few kilometers, is nonsense.

    The near future of external target designation for anti-aircraft missile systems of any level operating in network-centric mode is a radar installed on a Proryv-RLD UAV of the Yakovlev Design Bureau with a radio horizon of 500 km and a loitering time of 16 hours.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 September 2016 18: 03
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      Quote: Operator
      MANPADS are powerful in their covert application - passive visibility / guidance in the optical range. Attaching an active radar to a MANPADS, and even with a radio horizon of only a few kilometers, is nonsense.

      "Gibka-S" is no longer MANPADS, but an analogue of "Strela-10".
      And in the battery of "arrows" of the OVTs radar it suggests itself - not to rely only on the control center "from above".

      Moreover, what specifically does the adversary recognize when 1L122 radiation is detected?
      That somewhere within a radius of 10-15 km there is a "Gibka-S" launcher? Or maybe not "Gibka-S" - or maybe "Strela-10". Or maybe not Strela-10, but just a MANPADS battery. Or maybe there is nothing at all, but it's just a radar from the RTB?
      Because the "clean" 1L122 is proposed as a single small-size OVTs radar for the army.
      1. okko077
        okko077 14 September 2016 01: 40
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        A set of unrelated words, learn to express thoughts sensibly, and then proceed to the comments.
  13. Operator
    Operator 12 September 2016 18: 11
    +2
    Quote: Alexey RA
    What specifically does the adversary recognize when 1L122 radiation is detected?

    That it’s time to launch anti-radar ammunition, which nevermind, how they call the radar, air defense systems or MANPADS laughing
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 5 January 2018 02: 52
      +1
      Well, in addition to “launching anti-radar ammunition,” at least a pilot’s point will work because a missile hits the radar - it’s only known to Allah, but those who don’t fly and don’t give it to others will be tempted by enthusiasm. For the radar is either from bending or crashing, but as I understand it, the control system and its own guidance system, but in passive mode. lol And by the way, MANPADS are not detected by an anti-radar missile and will simply whistle past))
  14. perevozthikov
    perevozthikov 12 September 2016 20: 32
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    Could you write it without 80% water?
  15. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 12 September 2016 21: 19
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    How many air defense systems we have! Why have weapons systems that duplicate each other? To protect the troops on the march, there are much more formidable Tungusks and shells. Bending practically duplicates the arrow-10 complex. And soon the Sosna air defense missile system will go to the troops, the Morpheus short-range complex is being developed.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 September 2016 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      Why have weapons systems duplicating each other? To protect troops on the march there are much more formidable tungusks and shells.

      "Tunguska", even in Soviet times, "diluted" air defense systems - in the MSP / TP there was 1 battery "Tungusok" and 1 - "Strel-10" (plus a battery of MANPADS).
      And "Pantsir" does not protect the column on the march - it is not a military air defense complex, but air defense troops.
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      Bending almost duplicates the arrow-10 complex.

      So you have answered the question - why do we need "Gibka-S". Because "Strela-10" has been in service for 40 years and, despite all the modernization, has long been in need of replacement.
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      And soon the Sosna air defense system will go to the troops, the Morpheus short-range complex is being developed.

      Soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done. Polement Redoubt is an example of this. smile
      If something happened - who will cover the motorized riflemen and the tankers? Ancient Arrows-10? Or will they throw bulky folders of acts, remarks and notifications on "pine" and "morpheus" at enemy planes?
      1. okko077
        okko077 14 September 2016 01: 49
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        Motorbike with folders, pines and wheels. Stop raving ...
  16. pofigist_26_rus
    pofigist_26_rus 12 September 2016 21: 22
    +2
    The idea is good, but one question arises: what can this system oppose to an suddenly appearing enemy walking at low altitude, enveloping the folds of the terrain, and even at a decent speed? Answer: NOTHING.
    Yes, the products used in the complex are good. But along with their strengths, they also got flaws from their predecessors, the most obvious of which is the relatively long time it takes to prepare the homing head for battle (6-10 seconds).
    This implies the need to cover the complex precisely from such goals.
    There are several ways to do this:
    1. Introduce into the complex an additional unit armed with a DBM with a twin / four heavy machine guns.
    2. Place the detection tools on a retractable mast (7-10m), this method will be more effective in combination with optical detection systems
    1. tat_shurik
      tat_shurik 13 September 2016 22: 51
      +1
      It is to detect the adversary on the way up and gain time for warming up the heads as part of the SEPARATE intelligence machine complex, advancing in a dangerous direction. If there are many complexes, then there are some reconnaissance vehicles in different directions.
  17. Panarin Sergey Gennadevich
    Panarin Sergey Gennadevich 17 September 2016 23: 54
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    Thank you so much!!!! I liked the article very much !!!