Video of the destruction of two Turkish tanks from the Kornet ATGM

The network has a video of destruction in Syria 2 tanks Sabra from the export modification of the Russian anti-tank complex "Cornet", reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

“Judging by the video, in both cases, a single hit of the Kornet’s guided missile was enough to completely destroy the tank — including with a burnout or an explosion of ammunition,” the newspaper comments bmpd.

According to the militants who uploaded the video, the action takes place in the north of Syria in the province of Aleppo.

The publication notes the weak training of Turkish tankers - cars were standing on a hill without cover. it is reported that the distance to the target was about 4, 5 km.



“The algorithm of the rocket’s operation is also interesting: on approaching the tank, it deflected to the right and hit not in the frontal, but in the side armor of the turret - judging by the result, hitting exactly in the stern battle assembly,” commentators say.

According to the Turkish side, during the attack, three soldiers were killed, four more were injured.

Help newspaper: “Sabra is the main battle tank created in Israel by deep modification of the American M60. Despite enhanced armor protection, a thermal imager and other gadgets, the Israelis failed to adapt the 1959 model car of the year to the conditions of the modern battlefield. All 170 of Sabra were sold to Turkey. ”

Comments

[svp67]

They were shooting at the range, so I understand that if they had more containers with ATGMs, they could shoot the entire base. The level of combat training of "NATO's second largest army" is somehow not very impressive, as is the level of protection of the M60 modernized by Israel.

The main weapon of Sabra tanks of all modifications was the smooth-bore MG253 120 mm caliber gun, developed for the Mk 3 Merkava tank. The barrel of the gun is equipped with an ejector and a heat shield. In the stacks of the fighting compartment are 42 unitary shots

UNITARY, and what did the first tank SO blaze?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: svp67

The level of combat training of "NATO's second largest army" is somehow not very impressive.

They strongly remind Georgians, than that.

[svp67]

They strongly remind Georgians, than that.

Well, apparently already by the fact that their president (Mr. Erdogan) is actually ethnic Georgian.

[Now we are free]

Warrior Wow! -Shalom, I do not see your comments regarding the video where, "Cornet" gets on the modernized in Israel M60 -Sabra. I remember the video where the T-72 SAA got from the ATGM, you very actively commented ...
(Without sarcasm, your comment is just interesting)

[Dinko]

You lagged behind life there is already evidence that with the help of Cornet burned 2 Merkava 4

[alexey alexeyev_2]

During it, the Americans strongly protested over the supply of supposedly Cornets to Saddam. Although all their abrams burned junk like babies and RPGs ... I assure you Merkava is not a panacea and burns just as brightly as the Turkish Sabra

[hrych]

Quote: svp67

actually ethnic Georgian

It’s hard to understand, in principle, in Georgia - an ethnic boulevard of Khevsurs, Svans, Megrels, Imeretians, Kakhetians, Kistins, Gurians, Kartvelians, Meskhetians, Pshavs, Rachin, Laz, of course, Dzhugurs (Mountain Jews), etc., etc. .P. , the Ottomans themselves in Turkey are hardly left at all - these are the descendants of the royal house carved to the root, like the august Romanovs, therefore, the Turks themselves God knows from which boulevard the Balkan, Altai, Caucasian, Arabian, North African, Iranian, Anatolian, peoples of the Levant , Mesopotamia, etc., and other nationalities. It turns out that the Kurds are the most numerous (tens of millions), the purest (in the ethnic sense), oppressed by a pack of tribes, the nation. And the ATGMs were sent to the Kurds by God himself (about whom Kadyrov spoke), they are shooting the entire Turkish armored vehicles however Moreover, ATGMs controlled by wires, with the development of electronic warfare (in truth, breakthrough Russian technologies), will experience a renaissance, it's time to forget about "fire and forget" ...

[Navigator Basov]

Yeah, I heard a jingle, but don’t know where he is.

In August 2003, during his visit to GeorgiaErdogan allegedly spoke about his adjarian origin and that his family migrated from Batumi to Rize. But in August 2014, Erdogan sharply denied any of his Adjarian or Armenian origin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp
/ 2014 / 08 / 06 / is-armenian-an-insult-turkeys-prime-m
inister-seems-to-think-so /

[Yeraz]

Erdogan never denied his Laz origin. There is even a video where he says that his father asked grandfather whether we were grandfathers of Turk or man, what grandfather said on the day of judgment you will not be asked if you are a Turk or whether a Muslim is asked whether you are Muslim or not. Something from this series.
Therefore, it is no secret that he is Laz.

[gray smeet]

Quote: svp67

The level of combat training of "NATO's second largest army" is somehow not very impressive.

Losses and time will correct this situation - you want to live.

[svp67]

Losses and time will correct this situation - you want to live.

They fight God knows from what times, they rarely have a quiet time with Kurds, and after so many years of fighting show such a low level, it seems like nothing will fix them

[rotmistr60]

show so low

And it seems to me that this is a simple disorder. In the sense that, and with whom to fight if we are already stronger. So I got what I want. In 2 minutes lost 2 tanks and crews.

[jjj]

Yes, like targets on a training ground. A strange impression of such a war. Vague suspicions begin to torment

[Darkmor]

All this is strange.
There are 3-4 tanks and a pair of armored personnel carriers - i.e. operational-tactical group on a mission. In fact, someone should constantly look around - they didn’t leave for a picnic. It is difficult to defend against the first ATGM missile, but it is possible if you notice it in time.
Well, let's say they missed her - but what happens after? Organize a smoke screen, hide the tanks at least from the zone of visibility, and then figure out where they shot at you. No, they all stand still and turn towers ...
If the fighters had 2 ATGMs, they would shoot this whole campaign.

[Finches]

I emphasize once again - only two nations can create sensible tanks: Russians and Germans! True, it’s hard for Germans now, being in a knee-elbow position, to create good cars ...
However, since in Israel "a quarter of our people", then God's chosen ones came close enough in this art!" Merkava "is an excellent example, especially for their region a tank in the fight against the Mohammedans dangling in the highlands!
As for the "Cornet" - it's a thing !! Created by people who know the people who create the best tanks in the world!

[alpamys]

even God's chosen ones came close enough in this art! "Merkava" is an excellent specimen,

Do you really think that Merkava is a purely Jewish development ???)))

[Dinko]

The rheinmetal gun is exactly the same as on the leopard!

[NEXUS]

Finches

As for the "Cornet" - it's a thing !!

And the Vampire is even better. This ATGM generally does not care what part of the tank fly into.

[Dinko]

Do not be silly. The vampire is inferior to Cornet both in power and in range.

[Dinko]

You, too, are behind the times, according to experts, today one of the best foreign tanks is the South Korean Black Panther K 2

[von_Tilsit]

And what, the unitarka is insured against detonation or burnout ?? Apparently the matter is in the chemical composition of the powder charge in the ammunition itself. And the desert - maybe the shells are "dry"?))
I feel sorry for the Turkotankists - the torch turned out to be a noble one. Substituted as if in "tankcheki" are played.

[Skubudu]

To be objective:

The first tank is destroyed, at least burned out inside.
The second tank was not destroyed, the crew was alive, the tankman turned the tower towards the rocket, the DZ worked, the video was interrupted - that means the destruction of the car was not.

If you remember about the Sabra from the Kornet ATGM hit in the tower a couple of months ago, on the Turkish border, in that case the Kornet ATGM missile was also unable to overcome the Israeli-made remote sensing.

Let's summarize: the modern ATGM Cornet is capable of hitting only armored vehicles not protected by DZ.
Cornet hits the 1959 tank. buildings equipped with modern Israeli DZ, with a chance of 25% to 75%, which indicates its poor ability to hit technology protected DZ.
The results of firing on MK4 tanks with the KAZ Trophy, in the Gaza Strip showed that the ATGM Cornet missile is practically not able to overcome the KAZ Trophy.
Perhaps it is time for the chief designer of the Instrument Design Bureau to answer a number of questions from the competent authorities.

[rotmistr60]

To be objective, you have now tried to crumple the "Cornet" and praise the MK4 with KAZ Trophy. Let it be on your conscience.

[gray smeet]

Quote: rotmistr60

To be objective, you have now tried to crumple the "Cornet" and praise the MK4 with KAZ Trophy. Let it be on your conscience.

Argumentally did not try to discuss? The man expressed his opinion, reasonably prove that he is wrong. Allotment patriotism, in a technical dispute a manifestation of weakness.

[rotmistr60]

Have you ever tried to state something reasonably? Especially read your comments - one criticism. Therefore, before advising, decide for yourself. As for "superficial patriotism" - I feel that I put on epaulettes then. when you, dear, were not born yet.

[gray smeet]

Started at YOU, finished at YOU ... Do you want to make it yourself?

[rotmistr60]

It's hard to turn me on, especially virtually. Although I can flare up. And you switched after your "superficial patriotism". It hurt me too personally.

[gray smeet]

Quote: rotmistr60

It hurt me too personally.

I apologize. (Without irony) I apologize!

[Chiropractor]

Quote: rotmistr60

The ATGM Cornet missile is practically unable to overcome the KAZ Trophy.

and two rockets?

[Skubudu]

Quote: rotmistr60

To be objective, you have now tried to crumple the "Cornet" and praise the MK4 with KAZ Trophy. Let it be on your conscience.

Dry facts ...
a photo of those shot down in Lebanon 2006. Merkav (without KAZ Trophy) a lot ...
There are not a single photos of the hit Merkavs (from the KAZ Trophy) in the Gaza Strip from 2011 to the present, and there were Cornet launches on them.
Three well-known anti-tank missile launchers on Cornet on Sabra with DZ, only 1 tank destroyed
What conclusions should I draw?
Yes, Cornet burns armor ... but against DZ and KAZ, he passes.
But he is in the arsenal of our Russian Army, I would not want to be in the calculation of the ATGM Cornet against the tank protected DZ and KAZ.
And with this you need to urgently do something.

[koosss]

yes, but after all, all these videos with "cornet" export versions, as far as I understand, and not those that we are now in service

[megavolt823]

This is a comment from 20,08,16. about armored car
Well, what can I say ento is stunned by the ATGM (cornet). my good friend from (mestizo) shot a lot. changed a couple of times (competition) is very praised. mestizo, competition, bassoon is 70е and 80е. (Cornet) 90е. in Iraq they used (cornet), abramsa M1 beats that dog. to the proceedings at the very top reached. the Bormaleans dragged from the stores of Hussein. and let's shoot everything. in Syria, they have long been the earliest versions. Cornet is an installation, a system. and a container with a rocket can be different .3 of different types for sure. 9M133 tandem-cumulative, 9M133F thermobaric warhead, 9M133FM-3 for helicopters and UAVs and as a bumblebee for infantry. work is underway. more compact than TOV. about 30 kg container, 26 kg on a tripod installation. Does it make sense on the armored car 8 pcs. to put? shot price frets grant. + -

[megavolt823]

shots are different. a lot of them . but from 2005 to 2016, work was done. but so far no one can say.

[megavolt823]

9M133M-2 - firing range - 150 — 8000 m. Tandem-cumulative warhead armor penetration up to 1100 — 1300 mm per DZ

[just exp]

try not to draw conclusions, you can’t do it.
1) how many Sabr are destroyed you DO NOT KNOW, there are three cases of hit and how many of them have pierced the armor and how many are not known on the public, only assumptions remain, as a hint I can tell you that in Chechnya our tanks had 5 penetrations and continued fight, one tank survived five crews. so if you think that penetration can only be if there was an explosion and the tank itself burned out, then you are very mistaken
2) If Cornet gives up against DZ, then why is even one Sabra knocked out?
3) KAZ of the Arena type (and the Arena as a whole is the founder of KAZ, although it used to be Drozd and others) and then Vetrovka (Trophy) can be disabled by sniper shots, and then tank up for PTKR, besides if you’re so afraid for Russian army, I’ll remind you that electronic warfare systems are developed, KAZ works with them, but it’s not so effective, and we also have funds.

in general, due to the fact that you need to do something urgently, that's for sure - immediately stop making conclusions. it will be better for everyone.

[karabas-barabas]

KAZ of the Arena type (and the Arena as a whole is the founder of KAZ, although before it was Drozd and others) and then Vetrovka (Trophy) can be disabled by sniper shots, and then finish off the tank with PTKR

I would have thought well before climbing into a modern tank, with SLAs and optoelectronic equipment of the Leo2 level of the latest versions, climb with a sniper. Even when firing from an RPG at T-72, one must immediately take off one's legs, even his optics with an experienced crew can become fatal for a shooter. Modern KAZ systems are protected against splinters and riflemen and look different than the Arena's birdhouse, they are spaced out over the entire tank and are very small in size and you won’t understand where and for what. Rather, the very form of Arena equipment served to ensure that it was not accepted into service.

Quote: just explo

Let me remind you that electronic warfare systems are developed, with them, KAZ works, but it’s not so effective, and besides this, we also have funds

EW funds can themselves become a target and they are too much relied on for my taste. What must electronic warfare be able to and what power to disrupt the KAZ radar? It seems to me that the infantry squad will not take away such EW on the hump. But you write like that, as if you had experience using EWs against KAZ.

[CooL_SnipeR]

Yes, they just then removed the trophies from the wrecked tanks stopudof. Firstly, so that the enemy does not get it, and secondly, everyone will be happy and stop discussing this trophy.

[Zaurbek]

You probably see between the frames .... the size of the explosives in the rocket and the tandem arrangement leaves no chance for this machine. If it was a more modern tank, then you could still believe .... And the fact that the shooting was interrupted ... after two shots and two hits, how many HE shells will fly into you from the 120mm guns of the remaining tanks?

[Skubudu]

Quote: Zaurbek

You probably see between the frames .... the size of the explosives in the rocket and the tandem arrangement leaves no chance for this machine. If it was a more modern tank, then you could still believe .... And the fact that the shooting was interrupted ... after two shots and two hits, how many HE shells will fly into you from the 120mm guns of the remaining tanks?

Everyone agreed in VO if it burns after a rocket hits - it is removed from the video and is relieved to the end. If the shooting is interrupted, the result of the shooting is not in favor of the ATGM operator.
Just the big question is the quality of the Cornet tandem warhead, in particular, the response of the leading charge. If everything worked as expected, DZ would not become an obstacle.

[Zaurbek]

From this picture would not be different. DZ itself is not a guarantee of non-penetration ... under it should be armor with layers of ceramics, but the M-60 does not have such armor .... If it were Leo-2 or T-90, then I would rather be with you agreed.

[barbiturate]

Quote: Skubudu

Everyone agreed in VO if it burns after a rocket hits - it is removed from the video and is relieved to the end. If the shooting is interrupted, the result of the shooting is not in favor of the ATGM operator.

Are you kidding, this is not a film set and they kill there, have you yourself tried to "savor" with a camera under enemy fire? Do you think the operator wants to live less than you? All the more so after the first missile everything was "savored", but after the second hit it's time to get away with it, I'm surprised at all how the return fire after the first hit did not disrupt the guidance of the second, what kind of shooting was there.

Quote: Skubudu

Just the big question is the quality of the Cornet tandem warhead, in particular, the response of the leading charge. If everything worked as expected, DZ would not become an obstacle.

And where do you see interference from DZ? In the burnout of the tank's tank? You have no objectivity at all, but a clear desire to speak sensationally from scratch

[guzik007]

Well, well, is it really impossible to spend two Cornets on one tank? The first breaks the DZ. The second hits the bare side?

[Skubudu]

Quote: guzik007

Well, well, is it really impossible to spend two Cornets on one tank? The first breaks the DZ. The second hits the bare side?

Unfortunately, the Cornet manufacturer went this way, instead of improving the combat qualities of the rocket, they increase the number of missiles in the salvo ...
Not long ago, the topic was a module with 4 launch containers of Cornet on an armored car, with the possibility of simultaneous volley or two shots at a time ... I don’t remember .... but the essence is the same, the first missile collects KAZ / DZ the second hits the bare armor - Stupidly just yes ... effective - not known ...

[Zaurbek]

in the Soviet standards, 2 ammunition are allocated for a tank defeat ...

[Susul]

Well, for starters, there is not a modern cornet there, but an export one, and at best in the early 90s, and secondly, the cornet is not able to hit the MBT with a covered DZ in the frontal projection if a missile with a tandem warhead is not used. But even in this case, the chance of defeat is only 0,7.

[Prince of Pensions]

Maybe this cornet is some kind of early modification sold or stolen from a warehouse?
In general, nobly cornet sanded tanks.

[just exp]

if we talk about objectivity, then read the article carefully, it says that 3rd died, 4 were injured, that is, 7 people were injured, if the second tank was not broken, how did 7 people suffer? or is all seven the crew of the first tank?
and on KAZ’s account, not only Kornet will not break it (if by single launches), but also Tau and Javelins and other ATGMs. but our Hook can.

[karabas-barabas]

Javelin hits the roof, and this could be a problem for KAZ.

[just exp]

for yours it may be, for the majority it’s not a problem all ATGMs that fly above the roof, but not so much 10 meters above the roof, and those that are two meters higher will neutralize those.

[karabas-barabas]

How, if the rocket flies vertically downward, as is the case with Javelin? Whose "Nasha" KAZ is it? Russian / Soviet KAZ, for example, Drozd can only on the sides and to the center, + intercept at a certain angle upwards, and to intercept Javelin it is necessary to intercept the propellant charge upwards. The arena did not hit up either. The Germans, when describing the functions and capabilities of their AMAP-ADS program, seem to show the upper hemisphere, but how they actually implemented it is not clear.

[just exp]

The arena, trophies and those that stand on K2 shoot ammunition up several meters and bursting there, they destroy the ATGM or grenade in a hail of fragments. and for KAZ, it’s at what altitude the ATGMs fly, the main thing is that it would be less than the height of the KAZ ammunition detonation, which is about 5 meters.

[DrVintorez]

Quote: Skubudu

Let's summarize: the modern ATGM Cornet is capable of hitting only armored vehicles not protected by DZ.
Cornet hits the 1959 tank. buildings equipped with modern Israeli DZ, with a chance of 25% to 75%, which indicates its poor ability to hit technology protected DZ.

too small sample to summarize: 2 tanks in total.
and, in principle, a logical mistake: either the cornet is capable of hitting equipment only without DZ, or it strikes with a 25% chance of 75%.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Skubudu

The second tank is not destroyed, the crew is alive, the tankman turned the tower towards the rocket,

Excuse me, what nonsense? The barrel of the second tank was turned right already at 0:47 video. At the time of getting into the first tank. How did the next goal become known to the tankers? Before the shot at the second tank, a little more than 30 seconds remained. It's half a minute, Carl! Fantastic fantasies, Carl!

[aksakal]

Quote: Skubudu

The second tank was not destroyed, the crew was alive, the tankman turned the tower towards the rocket, the DZ worked, the video was interrupted - that means the destruction of the car was not.

- Count two hundred and three hundredths (recognized by the Turks themselves). Three two hundred and four three hundred. Seven Turks in the end - just two crews, one was lucky. Your version of the non-destruction of the second tank is not true. One cannot be saved from Cornet.

Quote: Skubudu

The results of firing on MK4 tanks with the KAZ Trophy, in the Gaza Strip showed that the ATGM Cornet missile is practically not able to overcome the KAZ Trophy.

- Trophy is an active protection system, a fundamentally different protection, and at the moment there are no ATGMs capable of guaranteed to overcome KAZ. And according to KAZ AFGANIT, not only ATGM, but in general there is no ammunition, including even sub-caliber shells, capable of taking this protection. But to finalize the Cornet to the ability to take KAZ Trophy - two fingers on the asphalt. The cornet is simply equipped with a false warhead, which, just before colliding with the tank, breaks off from the main projectile and breaks forward. KAZ fires on this false warhead, but does not have time to fire on the main projectile. And such ATGMs already exist, but they are not in the Syrian theater of operations and they are not particularly needed there due to the lack of decent tanks. So take it easy and read at least something on this topic. Simply put, "learn materiel"

Quote: Skubudu

Perhaps it is time for the chief designer of the Instrument Design Bureau to answer a number of questions from the competent authorities.

- I propose your candidacy for interrogation of the creators of Cornet. To do this, you will have to send on a business trip to the place where these worthy people and Great designers stay (I remind you, this is Gryazev and Shipunov). Ah, forum users, is there anyone who could send Skubudu on a business trip for interrogation of Gryazev and Shipunov? Respond, you need to help the brow here, he wants to make demand very much, but he can’t, but I can’t help, since I did not learn how to send him on business trips)))))

[NEXUS]

Skubudu

Perhaps it is time for the chief designer of the Instrument Design Bureau to answer a number of questions from the competent authorities.

Dear, but nothing that ATGM Cornet is a development of the 90s? Now there is already a Vampire and ATGM KORNET-EM, Chrysanthemum, which are more effective than Cornet.

[seregatara1969]

ammunition caught fire-gunpowder there

[karabas-barabas]

And here is the video where Sabra holds the Cornet, where she should keep, in the frontal projection. If you are not impressed by the reflection of the Cornet attack, albeit a modernized, but still an ancient tank, then what impresses you? In the army of the Russian Federation, many Cornet tanks can withstand, especially in a lateral projection? I believe the T-90 and T-72 with Contact 5 will not withstand Cornet in any place. Moreover, Turkish Sabra is still not Leo2, or Abrams, or Challenger2, both in terms of lineup and level of protection and combat readiness.

Unitary shells flashed of course, which, unlike modern tanks, are not isolated from the crew.

[RR-Ezhik]

if I examined everything correctly, then after the hit, the position of the barrel shifted strongly to the right (relative to the camera) and most likely the tank could not hold Cornet

[Lanista]

Turks decided to arrange a shooting range for training the enemy?

[Koresh]

Like a duck. But I wonder which group destroyed the cornet tanks?

[Dave36]

like a dash ... I'm in shock

[Gray brother]

From "Sabra" so beautifully fashionable set of hinged protection flies away - just a song.

[Sly]

Quote: Gray Brother

From "Sabra" so beautifully fashionable set of hinged protection flies away - just a song.

it seemed to me that the hatches flew out, no?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Sly

it seemed to me that the hatches flew out, no?

It hurts healthy pieces, more like a front kit from the tower.

[Zaurbek]

Cornet has a powerful warhead. There, any tank without a KAZ or without a jamming system is doomed. Interestingly, they did not even try to put a smoke screen.

[Muvka]

But the Turks generally have training and sudden checks, like ours? Maybe they are squeezing money for this, from such results. Although it may not be so, I do not know.

[svp67]

Yes, they didn’t react at all, it seems that right after the first explosion they hid and didn’t get out ...

[Muvka]

Tell the amateur, were different missiles used? One cumulative, another high-explosive? Or did it work on the second tank?

[svp67]

Or did it work on the second tank?

Yes, it was she who really worked, decided to leave the doomed tank, all the same, he could not be saved anymore, and he was old, and went on an independent flight, and the tank and Turkish tankers were counting on her like that ...

[voyaka uh]

The video coincides with the loss of tankers:
the three killed were clearly from the first tank. The jet went inside and lit the shells. Fourth -
the mechanic is either wounded or intact. And the four wounded
from the second tank. There DZ worked, but apparently
concussion crew.

[Muvka]

Or the second missile with the HE warhead was. Or just struck, but didn’t kill anyone. Not to penetrate a tank from the last century with a tandem shell, it seems to me impossible.

[Zaurbek]

it is unlikely that barmalei have non-cumulative missiles, for them it is a luxury. For them, ATGM is for armored vehicles.

[Susul]

the mechanic is hardly intact, because Korent fell into the side of the tower, and since he also dodges before the blow, the shock wave, forming a cumulative stream, most likely flowed into the fighting compartment, with all the consequences, and the explosion of ammunition in the tank leave the tankers a chance. Of course, if the mechanical drive is not separated from the fighting compartment

[just exp]

the armor was pierced there, and therefore the crew suffered, just the jet didn’t hit the combat pack and therefore the tank did not burn out. and tankers do not necessarily die when penetrated.
but to be honest, I’ve never heard that the crew that hit the ATGM or RPG and didn’t break through the armor were considered wounded.

[Blue fox]

The trouble with the training of tankers, even taking into account the bewilderment and confusion (we thought about the accident at the colleagues in the neighboring tank, and not shelling from the enemy), there was no problem putting smoke in any case.
Training operator (s) ATGM at altitude, it is impossible not to note the training and endurance.

[voyaka uh]

Sabra no longer had a reserve of armor protection. therefore
they refused him in Israel.
His offensive capabilities are decent: a weapon,
SLA, and the defense is so-so.

[svp67]

Sabra no longer had a reserve of armor protection.

She was brought to a normal level already. It looks like the Turks just regretted the money for "Trophy"

[Vadim237]

At least these tanks did not shatter - as if they hit the T 62 and T 72.

[Zaurbek]

The BK also burned out on the T-72, they did not fly apart.

[Susul]

Does Israel sell trophies for export?

[Koresh]

Practically arrived in Israel, got rid of old tanks improved it a bit, shoved competitors in the region, got loot, and the Turks got a haemorrhoids in the form of a poorly protected machine that modern (and sometimes old) anti-tank weapons crack like nuts. Bravo)))

[Zaurbek]

Years, not young already ....

[Professor]

Quote: voyaka uh

His offensive capabilities are decent: a weapon,
SLA, and the defense is so-so.

The OMS is superior to Merkava 1 and 2.

Quote: Koresh

Practically arrived in Israel, got rid of old tanks improved it a bit, shoved competitors in the region, got loot, and the Turks got a haemorrhoids in the form of a poorly protected machine that modern (and sometimes old) anti-tank weapons crack like nuts. Bravo)))

Really? There is such a wonderful site "Military Review". There is an article about this tank. Recommend.

Sabra Main Battle Tank

Newspaper reference: “Sabra is the main battle tank created in Israel by deeply modifying the American M60. Despite the enhanced armor protection, a thermal imager and other gadgets, the Israelis were not able to adapt the 1959 model car to the conditions of modern combat. All 170 released Sabra were sold to Turkey. "

Rave. Not a single tank was sold to Turkey. These were Turkish tanks and remained Turkish after modernization.

[Koresh]

I did not say that the tank is bad, it’s just outdated at the moment for protection. How many tanks have the Turks lost in Syria? 2-3 tanks per week are stably disassembled by either Kurds or IS. No one argues that good SLAs are good, but the Turks have not yet learned how to intelligently apply the technique, and losses will increase. Then where are your M60s located? in storage? Or is it better to sell the Turks in three ways and produce a more advanced Merkava-4?)

[Professor]

I did not say that the tank is bad, it’s just outdated at the moment for protection.

You said that in Israel, got rid of old tanks improved it a bit, shoved competitors in the region, got loot. This is not true. These are Turkish modernized tanks, not Israeli ones. They have never been Israeli.

Then where are your M60s located? in storage? Or is it better to sell the Turks in three ways and produce a more advanced Merkava-4?)

They were redone at one time in Magahi, part of which are still in service with missile tanks. The rest is on metal.

PS
In developed countries, the number of tanks is reduced from year to year. On the example of Syria, we all clearly see what kind of tank is good now.

[Trigger-Happy]

Sabra is not an indicator. The Turks have cars and fresher, it would be much more informative. And interestingly, the export of anti-tank systems turned out to be like that of the IG? ........ As always, they were sold alone, but they lost, presented, etc. ......

[svp67]

And interestingly, the export of anti-tank systems like IG turned out to be?

Kurdish formations are not included in Daesh, they are at war with it, and they have long-standing scores with the Turks. And alas, but our "Cornet" is produced by several other countries of the former Warsaw Pact

[Zaurbek]

KORNET is unlikely to be produced anywhere else. Analogues are released ... Ukraine, Belarus .... Poland

[svp67]

Yes, God is with the countries of the former USSR and the VD, you read about the Iranian ATGM "Dehlavia" ... it will be interesting.

[aszzz888]

Cracks like a nut. And the missile approach is interesting for its trajectory. And compare the cost of a tank and a rocket ...

[Tusv]

Well, of course, the modernized generals Pattanov were put to death, and even the second did not hesitate. I waited five whole minutes. But how Cornet works is something

[voyaka uh]

Quote: Gray Brother

From "Sabra" so beautifully fashionable set of hinged protection flies away - just a song.

This DZ scatters. DZ not mounted on Merkava due to unpredictability
triggering. A little angle of the stream left and right and there is no effect.

[Gray brother]

Quote: voyaka uh

This DZ scatters.

Immediately on the half of the tower did it work or what?

[Susul]

it is very likely that the DZ from the tower was simply blown off by the explosive impact from the Cornet explosion, it is not just cumulative, there about 4 kilos of explosives arrived

[Gray brother]

Quote: SUSUL

it seems that the DZ from the tower was simply blown off by the explosive impact from the Cornet explosion

So, the tank of the khan also fell under the tower.

[voyaka uh]

Quote: svp67

They were shooting at the range, so I understand that if they had more containers with ATGMs, they could shoot the entire base. The level of combat training of "NATO's second largest army" is somehow not very impressive, as is the level of protection of the M60 modernized by Israel.

The main weapon of Sabra tanks of all modifications was the smooth-bore MG253 120 mm caliber gun, developed for the Mk 3 Merkava tank. The barrel of the gun is equipped with an ejector and a heat shield. In the stacks of the fighting compartment are 42 unitary shots

UNITARY, and what did the first tank SO blaze?

Gunpowder, of course. A jet pierced the wall of the liner.

[svp67]

One charge cannot burn for so long, at least several ...

[Zaurbek]

I was surprised that there was no big fire. There are a lot of shells ...

[Glaz8000]

Does anyone know how to fight in BV?

[voyaka uh]

In Donbass, tanks burned in the same way. And T-72, and T-64.

[Zaurbek]

Not all DZs were there. But they burned, and 90% of the losses from artillery fire were.

[Zaurbek]

M-60 - the same age as the T-62 and early T-72. Accordingly, the main armor of those years. Protection is always a complex of DZ and main armor ... The same DZ on the T-90 or later T-72 will protect better. Leo-2A5 I don’t think it would have withstood a CORNET hit

[black]

War. it is not a walk along the beach. Learn materiel, comrades of the Turks.

[Pate]

And I wonder who is the owner of the "Cornet" Kurds or ISIS?

[vs_mihail]

igil, Kurds do not shout about the bar

[Trigger-Happy]

Today he is a Kurdish militia, tomorrow - an igilovets ......... you’ll analyze their hell out there.

[Banishing liberoids]

Yes, the training of the Turkish army is very deep in thought ....

[Zaurbek]

I wonder if Kornet-D would shoot from an ambush with 8 launchers, would everyone die there?

[Trevis]

Where did the bearded Cornets come from? Like tow 2 they have. Someone gave.

[Vadim237]

The Syrian army of Cornets had more than 1000 - now half of them are walking on various banforms.

[Zaurbek]

Interestingly, export cornet power differ from ours?

[Muvka]

From the wiki:
Penetration for DZ:
Cornet-E - 1200 mm Homogeneous Armor
Cornet-D - 1300 mm Homogeneous Armor
Penetration without DZ:
Cornet-E - 1300 mm Homogeneous Armor
Cornet-D - 1400 mm Homogeneous Armor
Temperature range for combat use:
“Cornet” from −50 ° to + 50 ° C
Kornet-E from −20 ° to + 60 ° C
All the differences that I saw. But there is an export modification of version D, but it is unlikely that the broads have it.

[Zaurbek]

D - the most modern, it is still one in our army. This is on the TIGER which ....

[Muvka]

Cornet-MR is the most modern, according to the wiki, but there is no information about it.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Vadim237

The Syrian army of Cornets had more than 1000 - now half of them are walking on various banforms.

Do you mean the missiles themselves?
Launchers they had, if not mistaken, less than a hundred but most likely even less.

Quote: Skubudu

Three well-known anti-tank missile launchers on Cornet on Sabra with DZ, only 1 tank destroyed

Why only one? There was a recent article on the site about the first destroyed M60T Sabra in Syria. Here is from another source.
Turkish tanks burn in Syria
Experts believe that the Turkish M60T (a modernized Sabra, also known as the American M-60 Patton) was destroyed by the Russian Kornet anti-tank system, this is also indicated by the source of the Daily Sabah.
http://novostidni.mirtesen.ru/blog/43556418168/Tu
retskie-tanki-goryat-v-Sirii? page = 2

Quote: Skubudu

There are not a single photos of the hit Merkavs (from the KAZ Trophy) in the Gaza Strip from 2011 to the present, and there were Cornet launches on them.

Well, you also compared when the gallant Hezbollah beat Israeli Jews in 2006 and the way Hamas fighters "bite" it is a completely different level.

[Zaurbek]

You compared the most modern tank with KAZ and the tank of the 70s, modernized.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Zaurbek

Years, not young already ....

But is it nothing that Israeli Jews modernized it in 2007-2009?
And ATGM Cornet entered service in 1998 and was developed before the collapse of the USSR?

[Monarchist]

Indeed, the Turks were spanking like dashes.
Zyablitsev, you think that only tank schools "rule" "in the world: ours and the German, + the Israelis are catching up. But some experts believe that the remote sensing on our tanks leaves much to be desired.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Zaurbek

You compared the most modern tank with KAZ and the tank of the 70s, modernized.

If this is for me, then in 2006 in Lebanon the same Merkava Mk3 and Mk4 were knocked out and now they are in service with the Israeli regime only without KAZ.

[karabas-barabas]

There is a video from Lebanon where 3 ATGMs were planted on immobilized Morkov, but without breaking through, there is a video how Sabra withstood Kornet’s hit and the consequences photo shows that these are very complex, multi-layer armored modules. Yet the Israelis are very strong in passive armor. The Russian military-industrial complex needs to work on 4th generation systems, it’s shot-forgot, with GOS, with a video channel, for the operator’s safe adjustment, striking from above, striking the roof when flying over the tank. All of this is not yet available, there are only laser-controlled, flying straight, though powerful.

[Incvizitor]

What a lousy booking, the export "cornet" in the forehead BC took up immediately.

[Mentat]

Quote: Skubudu

The second tank is not destroyed, the crew is alive, the tankman turned the tower towards the rocket, the DZ worked

There is no such power from the operation of remote sensing explosions. ATGM also does not explode. This is the detonation of the warhead, and you carry nonsense in the blue eye.

[Susul]

actually Cornet’s explosive action is not frail, because there are 4 kilos of explosives in the warhead, if it doesn’t penetrate, it sends the equipment for repair with a good guarantee

[Susul]

In general, the Kurdish complexes are not few in Kurds, they are spread there no worse than the American ToW, because the USSR used to actively supply them to the region, and these missiles are long-lived.
More than a dozen Abrams were burned in Kornet in Yemen, in Syria, the SAA uses them as long-range snipers, and even in the latest ISIS videos from Siri, it is clear that the terrorists got them and hit them with helicopters and strong points.
Cornet has no wire, it flies farther and faster than ToW, respectively, the operator is easier to manage with it, but its main drawback is the active laser illumination of the target. Do Turks have no radiation warning system? After all, the cars were not in the parking lot, but it seemed to be on the battlefield?

[Essex62]

Judging by the explosion - the second is also in shreds inside. But this is the tenth thing. Recognize the three 300s or lie to this command. But some suckers tractor drivers! So much time to stand and not react to the first hit.

[Zlyden.Zlo]

Strange video .. no return fire ..

[Winnie the Pooh]

Wow, as in a dash! Tankers are simply deer, killed by stupidity. They should at least play tanks!

[Sergei75]

So it’s the same ancient ....

[alpamys]

another knocked out
http://video.jakaihn.gq/v/td09092016-720.mp4

[Konstantin Yu]

Who will say - why put tanks on the top of the mountain? to make it more convenient to aim at them? or did they hit somewhere direct and thought what would get away with it?

[alpamys]

right now experience will be gained and perfected the tactics of using tanks with the activity of petrochemical tanks.

[Konstantin Yu]

Tankers feel sorry for them, but when they would have noticed the Kurds, they felt sorry for the Kurds ..... today the Turks were out of luck. I think with Cornets and Tou there is an instruction with a camera for shooting on video ... Any PTK + human factor doesn’t have 100% about Cornet. There’s a bitter training ground for working on errors and all the blood is written

[karabas-barabas]

Do you mean the example of Spike?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Gray Brother

From "Sabra" so beautifully fashionable set of hinged protection flies away - just a song.

It seems to me that there is nothing surprising here, because the modernization was most likely carried out like this - Israeli Jews found rusting bolts and pieces of iron on a nearby garbage bin attached to a Turkish tank; putty; put on; put on money; put it on money; put it into your pocket and sent the supposedly modernized Ankara equipment.

[karabas-barabas]

Above, I attached a video of the reflection of Cornet’s hit on Sabra, so your arguments are incorrect.

[Evil 55]

Maybe you shouldn't play "Great Caliphate" in modern conditions .. and the Turks will succeed?

[Ultima 15]

I don’t know whether the second tank was destroyed or not, but something (namely pieces of skin and hatches flying away into the sky) suggests that the tank will definitely not be able to get out of the battlefield on its own. Plus, the news says that four tankers were injured - hence the cornet is still relatively effective against armored vehicles with modern DZ

[Oleg7700]

The one who managed to competently turn the tower towards him, received the "Cornet" tangentially, without breaking through, the Turks write and show.

[Oleg7700]

Here's more from the Turks. Allegedly, the second managed to turn the tower towards and "Kornet" hit on a tangent without breaking through. The tank, they say, is fully operational and the crew was not injured ...

[Ultima 15]

No, the bullshit photos are 99% - the tank in the photo has almost no damage, from the tank in the video - a whole mountain of stunners flew into the sky. Even if there was no penetration of the armor, then the nature of the damage in the photo is clearly not consistent

[Nightrain]

Well, finish portraying the poker face, the video with the head-on defeat of "Sabra" has already been posted above.

By the way, where did the expert Skubudu go, who so hilariously made conclusions about the effectiveness of Cornet. I would like to see an analysis of the last video, heheh))

[Yvoron]

Among the Turks, 40% of the officers were "cut", hence the "successes".

[RR-Ezhik]

Quote: karabas-barabas

And here is the video where Sabra holds the Cornet, where she should keep, in the frontal projection. If you are not impressed by the reflection of the Cornet attack, albeit a modernized, but still an ancient tank, then what impresses you? In the army of the Russian Federation, many Cornet tanks can withstand, especially in a lateral projection? I believe the T-90 and T-72 with Contact 5 will not withstand Cornet in any place. Moreover, Turkish Sabra is still not Leo2, or Abrams, or Challenger2, both in terms of lineup and level of protection and combat readiness.

Unitary shells flashed of course, which, unlike modern tanks, are not isolated from the crew.

if I examined everything correctly, then after the hit, the position of the barrel shifted strongly to the right (relative to the camera) and most likely the tank could not hold Cornet

[Technologist]

And who shot, go Kurds?

[Simak]

Removing more than 5 kilometers. Judging by the flash and the sound of the explosion, even more than 5 km comes out ...

[NACC]

Krasava !!! There are no words.