China will create its own aircraft engines copying alien

China will create its own aircraft engines copying alienChina is beginning to implement a large-scale plan, which is crucial for its aviation industry - the development of its own world-class aircraft engines. Now, China is lagging far behind in this issue - and depends, among other things, on Russia. The Chinese will solve the problem in the usual way: by copying foreign (and Russian) technologies. In this, however, one can find certain advantages.

At the end of August, President Xi Jinping called for accelerated R&D in the field of aircraft engine building in order to strengthen the Chinese aircraft industry. An important organizational step towards this strengthening was the creation of the China Aircraft Engine Corporation - Aero Engine Corp of China (previously aviation Engines were handled by the Aviation Industry Corp of China).

As the resource stresses in this connection, despite the incredible successes achieved by China in the field of science, technology and industrial production, aircraft engines remain one of the few areas in which the country lags behind the leading aircraft-building powers. Currently, only five countries (and all of them are members of the UN Security Council) are capable of producing turbofan engines with afterburner functions such as those installed on the best fighters in the world - American F-22 or Russian Su-35.
At the same time, the most advanced aircraft of the People’s Army of China, such as the J-10 fighter or Y-20 transporter, are completely dependent on Russian engines. Even the J-20 - the first Chinese aircraft built using stealth technology - used an engine from Russia for test flights.

According to the plan under the general title “Will be produced in China by 2025 year”, the production of aircraft engines is one of 10 industrial industries that are of critical importance for the country, and therefore will be fully supported by the government. Thanks to the success of its own engineers and designers, China has already manufactured WS-10 Taihang turbofan engines, which are installed on some J-10 and J-11 type fighters. However, according to experts, it is still too early to say whether they are powerful enough and reliable enough to replace imported engines. It is known that one of the main problems to be solved by Chinese designers is to create engines that are capable of providing the aircraft with a flight at supersonic speed for a long time.

So, China intends to become a great aviation power, which is unthinkable without advanced engine-building. But what is the source of the potential greatness of the Middle Kingdom in this area? The answer is simple and simple - intellectual “piracy”.
A classic example is the Su-27. At first, China bought a small number of these fighters from Russia. Then he seemed to be going to produce them from Russian components, but he collected only 105 machines from the planned 200. It soon became clear why: the Chinese simply copied this plane and began its production without license. Actually, the Chinese there was only the name J-11В, engines, weapons and instrument equipment.

Moreover, as experts note, if in 1960s, Chinese copies of Soviet military equipment were obviously more primitive than originals, then J-11В, judging by the available data, according to its tactical and technical characteristics, it is almost as good as Su-27. And J-15 is a Chinese copy of the Su-33, which is the ship version of the Su-27. Due to similar “reincarnations”, Russia, according to a report by the British Royal Society of Aeronautics, has postponed supplies to China of the latest version of the Su-35. Beijing’s desire to buy only 24 vehicles of this type, but at the same time - a large number of spare engines, caused the Russian authorities fear that in this case China intends to copy the fighter. And above all - its engine.

As the deputy director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis, Alexander Khramchikhin, notes, Beijing has long been abhorrent to the blatant theft of technology, in which it has been very successful. For example, there are no data indicating that Russia has ever sold China directly to Smerch multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) or a license to manufacture them. Nevertheless, the Chinese Army first appeared MLRS A-100, very reminiscent of the "Tornado", and then PHL-03 - a complete copy of this system.

The self-propelled artillery installation of the Tour 88 (PLZ-05) is very similar to the Russian Mstu, which has also never been exported to the PRC.

Russia has never sold a C-300 anti-aircraft missile system license to China, but this did not prevent the Chinese from copying it under the name HQ-9. The Chinese BMP ZBD04 is extremely similar to the Russian model BMP-3, and the C-602 cruise missile is similar to the Russian X-55 cruise missile.

There are reasons to be offended by China and the United States. Chengdu J-20 The Black Eagle has a large number of similar and completely copied elements from the Russian 1.44 and fifth-generation F-22 and F-35 Russian fighter jets that have not completed the test. And the Chinese regional aircraft ARJ-21 is a reincarnation of the American DC-9 airliner, released in the middle of the 1960-s for medium-length lines.
"Scientifically," what China does, reproducing samples of foreign technology, is called "reverse engineering." Any product is taken, completely disassembled, every detail is carefully redrawn, and the resulting drawings are then transferred to the production workshops, which begin to produce this product under the Chinese brand. At the same time, as noted in the above-mentioned report of the British Society of Aeronautics, "reverse engineering at such a high level implies a high degree of technical competence." But China has invested a lot of manpower and resources in research and technological infrastructure, which is a prerequisite for creating a world-class aerospace industry.

But, oddly enough, in the “reverse design” carried out by the PRC, there are also positive sides, and for the very manufacturers whose products China “designs back”. Managers of foreign aircraft manufacturing companies that have joint ventures with China unanimously express concern about the theft of this technology by this country. And at the same time, they note: including for this reason, their companies need to constantly create new technologies in order to maintain a competitive advantage over Chinese products. So, the “reverse design” practiced by China involuntarily stimulates scientific and technical progress in the field of aviation.
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  1. +2
    9 September 2016 07: 44
    The article is absolutely in the same spirit as the materials of the Russian-language version of the American magazine "Popular Mechanics" as early as 2008 "China against Russia, the victory will not be ours."
  2. +1
    9 September 2016 08: 50
    The process of "reverse engineering" we can not interfere, only slightly slow down. We only have one _ BE AHEAD. Well, give xeroxes on the hands of the nation (... oh, I forgot, they’re still sleeping with a gunpowder recipe ... whether, that is, they invented ...)
  3. +1
    9 September 2016 09: 02
    Interestingly, can China be presented for the illegal use of technology? what
    1. +1
      9 September 2016 12: 50
      There is no point in presenting, the philosophy of China, it is not necessary to invent and create anything - everything is already ready, just take it and do it. So they do it. In addition, it is impossible to catch up and overtake competitors, playing by their rules (competitors)! And the Chinese are smart enough to understand this! And this is being done by the entire "civilized west", just at a different level, while loudly shouting about the legal aspects! So after all, this cry is in the wrong direction, and they themselves do not bother to observe it.
  4. +5
    9 September 2016 09: 56
    Not! In general, the Chinese fellows!
    Hey officials! Here is an example of the desire for import substitution !.
  5. +6
    9 September 2016 09: 57
    All the most advanced companies and countries are engaged in the theft of ideas and technical solutions (well, let them borrow). This is best done by technologically and innovative leaders. Borrowing is usually noticed when products with its use begin to appear in local or world markets, which worries those leaders who would like to permanently consolidate their separation from the rest.

    China is an obvious leader and can also afford to copy whatever it wants.

    We would like China to act, but we have the Unified State Exam, FANO, World Cup, turbid-meldonium, as well as cut and rollback.
    Not up to innovation.
    1. +1
      9 September 2016 15: 05
      You're right. Below is a link in support of your statement that "all the most advanced companies and countries are engaged in the theft of ideas and technical solutions (well, let them borrow)." My comment is there. We are talking about Siemens. All the links you need are there.
      ric-roads / siemens-ehighway-future.html
  6. +2
    9 September 2016 11: 50
    Quote: Nedopijack
    It is not difficult to take dimensions from the turbine blade.

    Moreover, 3D scanners have been doing this for a long time, and not a person with a pen, tape measure and a notebook.
  7. +3
    9 September 2016 11: 56
    Quote: bald
    And they will succeed, as with metal smelting, catching sparrows and copying AKM in the past. For this, they will take decades to perfect. The unenviable fate of the pilots on these engines.

    How to say? Half a century has passed since 1967, in the PRC there are powerful research institutes in various areas of technology (about 600 such institutes only in the aviation industry and missiles). They can create their own technologies for the manufacture of these blades and reproduce them on an industrial scale. They also have a "personnel reserve" - ​​this is the present-day Ukraine with its unclaimed specialists. Literally 10 good technologists can push China very far in this regard.
    1. 0
      9 September 2016 18: 59
      It surprises me that all reasoning is based on the use of outdated technology for organizing the physical process in an aircraft turbine. And everyone also knows that modern technology does not allow these turbines to be driven up to high speeds, nor to increase the efficiency of their operation, nor to improve the quality factor and reliability. But there is an idea and calculation of a fundamentally new turbine, which can justifiably overcome all these difficulties and further expand the boundaries of their use as engines and propulsors. Therefore, the question is rhetorical and is who will quickly realize and at least accept that such developments exist and they are very promising.
  8. +3
    9 September 2016 12: 21
    You need to take an example from them. Copying is also work. And the USSR copied something and then went on. For example, turbojet RollsRoys on the MiG-15/17.
  9. 0
    9 September 2016 14: 20
    Quote: sergeyzzz
    Let's see what they do.

    In our country, the work of an engineer is completely not respected, and therefore the regression is very strong in many areas.

    In our country, in general, any work is not respected! Respect strength, arrogance and theft. And this is a direct path to the Stone Age.
  10. +1
    9 September 2016 14: 38
    And we all look back at international standards in the field of patent law ...

    Priority claims in patent law can be made when the product begins to be sold on the foreign market. And then, if you catch by the hand. Knowledgeable people understand that it is possible to patent a chamfer on a nut if you can justify it.
    The Chinese have not invented anything on their own for a long time, they have invented the "reverse engineering" method and are using it with success. It is enough to look at the products of their car industry: a clone on a clone and a clone drives. And somehow I can't hear about the claims.
    And what is happening in the field of household appliances ... the same plant produces branded products and slag. But what about? A thread of businessmen comes and says: "You made a meat grinder for my kunkurent at such a price ... I want the same one, but cheaper" What would a technologist do at our plant? Praaavilno, would send. And what does a Chinese technologist do? He begins to work with materials and in the end offers the same thing, but cheaper, no matter if the product crumbles in half a year. This is what concerns everyday life.
    As for more serious products, it is not necessary to cite as an example the times when there was a furnace in each yard and the gross volume of metal exceeded the smelting of the leading countries of the world. Times have changed dramatically. They stole technology immeasurably. And considering that China is a leader in the production of rare-earth metals, they will also get better with the quality of metal for special products.
    Therefore, one should not forget the old and time-tested principle: "Vigilance is the main quality of the Soviet person." And for now, judging by the quote given at the beginning of the post, vigilance prevails.
    1. 0
      9 September 2016 15: 18
      China cannot be prohibited from copying the equipment that they have already received at their disposal.

      China can and should not be allowed to use the manufacturing technology of this equipment, having left behind in terms of equipping the factories for its production and the types of technical processes involved.

      Relatively speaking, switch to fully carbon fiber gliders of airplanes (formed using closed domestic technology) so that the Chinese can rivet copies of gliders only from duralumin. Or to launch a closed domestic technological process for the formation of ceramic turbines of jet engines so that the Chinese poking around with outdated single-crystal metal turbines.

      So the problem in copying things is not in the Chinese, but in us (in the sense of insufficient development of exclusive technologies).

      The Chinese will never catch up with us - a nation with a mentality of copywriters will never become innovators.
  11. 0
    9 September 2016 15: 13
    There was a similar story with the engine for Ruslan. The USSR asked RollsRoyce for the 4th engine to see and copy, and the British said either buy 36 or not sell ... I had to do the D-18T ourselves.
  12. -1
    9 September 2016 16: 43
    Quote: Nedopijack
    I think that they will bring their engines to mind anyway, a matter of time.

    While they bring them back, the rest will come up with a lot of new things.
    How much scream rises here is worth only in an article to hint, for example, about the production of processors in Russia.
    And how bad it is to take someone else's, obsolete, and copy. And how it will never allow Russia to catch up with those. from whom she buys these technologies (they’re not selling the latest).
    Well then apply this principle to China.
    So no!
    What they write:
    In general, the Chinese fellows!
    Hey officials! Here is an example of the desire for import substitution !.

    That is, everything is bad again ...
  13. 0
    10 September 2016 03: 19
    The USSR also once once copied the American B-29 and turned it into a Tu-4, and after 10 years, the Tu-95 also appeared. However, there is a big difference from China - we had our own school of aircraft engineering in our country, and our pilots made record-breaking flights before the war, so disassembling American equipment only helped us advance in some technologies without wasting time developing. But China has not created anything of its own in aviation, and they still fly on other people's copied civil and military aircraft.
    Ps What engine in the photo in the article?

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