The conceptual design of the Husky submarine continues

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Currently, the Russian shipbuilding industry is engaged in a number of projects aimed at the development of submarine forces of the naval fleet. Several submarines of new types are under construction, and in addition, promising projects of similar equipment are being developed, and new technologies are being created that will be used in future projects. Recently, some details of recent submarine construction projects have become known.

September 6 RIA News published an interview with the Vice-President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Igor Ponomarev. On the eve of the military-technical forum "Army-2016", the head of USC revealed some details of current works, and also told about plans for the upcoming exhibition. The greatest interest in this are news about existing and promising developments in the field of submarines. Currently, USC enterprises are developing several new projects that in the future will help to update the combat strength of the submarine forces.



The conceptual design of the Husky submarine continues


One of the most important recent programs is the creation of an air-independent power plant (VNEU) for promising non-nuclear submarines. The RIA Novosti journalist asked a question about the current testing of the new VNEU on the maritime stand, as well as the timing of the first production system of this class. I. Ponomarev said that tests of the air-independent power plant are continuing in accordance with the schedule approved by the Ministry of Defense. After all the tests, the VNEU will be submitted to the customer in a timely manner. What kind of ship will receive the first equipment first - is still unknown. Such a decision will be made by the customer in the person of the military department.

The first carrier of the new VNEU, according to previous reports, will have to become a promising non-nuclear submarine of the project, known under the code "Kalina". According to the vice president of USC, while the main issues in the context of the project "Kalina" are not resolved. The decision to start building a headboat of this type depends on the course of design work and some other factors. In particular, the development of an air-independent power plant has a great impact on the program.

After the completion of the technical project created by the specialists of the Rubin Central Design Bureau, as well as after the construction of a prototype VNEU, the industry represented by the United Shipbuilding Corporation and the Ministry of Defense will be able to address new issues. At this stage, the terms of the contract for the construction of submarines will be discussed, in particular, it will be necessary to determine the plant, which is to become the main builder of the new technology. Nevertheless, all these works can begin only after the approval of the technical project.

Also in an interview for RIA Novosti, the topic of further development of nuclear submarines of various classes was touched upon. The most interesting project in this context is a promising project with the Husky code. I. Ponomarev said that the project of the submarine "Husky" is currently at the stage of appearance formation. In addition, it will take about two years to create a draft design. After the completion of the current stage of development, the issue of a contract for the construction of a submarine will be resolved. Any technical details of the new project were not disclosed.

The development of strategic nuclear submarines is still following a different path. As the head of USC said, while the shipbuilding industry is not working to shape the appearance of promising submarine missile carriers. Currently, all forces in this area are devoted to improving the existing 955 "Borey" project, which belongs to the fourth generation. Three submarines of this type have already been transferred to the fleet. The construction of four more submarine cruisers, related to the improved project 955A "Borey-A".

Of all the topics covered in a recent press interview with a representative of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, the development of a promising multi-purpose submarine of the Husky type is of the most interest. Work on this project started relatively recently and, as recent reports show, is still in its early stages. Thus, even the leakage of any information about the technical side of the project in its current form is unlikely to help determine the final appearance.

Recall that the first reports about the possible development of a promising multi-purpose nuclear submarine project of the fifth generation appeared at the beginning of 2014. Then the general director of the St. Petersburg Marine Bureau of Mechanical Engineering (SPMBM) "Malachite" Vladimir Dorofeev announced some ideas relating to promising technology. According to him, the main differences of fifth-generation submarines from existing submarines will be not the increased technical characteristics, but the ability to integrate into a single information and control space, providing improved interaction with other submarines and ships. However, then the head of the design bureau did not tell about the development of real projects with similar capabilities.

The first technical details of the fifth-generation multipurpose nuclear submarine project became known only in December 2014. Deputy Director General of Malachit SPMBM Nikolay Novoselov told the press that the promising submarine would have a double-hull structure and a total displacement of up to 12 thousand tons. It is interesting that at that time the project was being developed by Malachite on an initiative basis, since the Ministry of Defense had not yet issued a technical task. In addition, N. Novoselov mentioned that one of the tasks of the new projects is the unification of multi-purpose and strategic submarines for various equipment. Some developments in this direction have already been implemented by now.

In March of last year, new views on the appearance of the promising submarine were announced. So, V. Dorofeev expressed the belief that the new submarine will be built on a modular principle, and will also be able to use robotics. The use of robotic systems must have great potential, since the submarine is required to maintain secrecy even when working together and sharing information with other fleet combat units.

Also in March 2015, the first reports appeared on the possible composition of the weapons of the promising submarine. With reference to unnamed sources in the defense industry, domestic media reported that the main strike weapons of the Husky submarines would be the promising hypersonic cruise missiles Zircon. In addition, the source of this information noted that the new type of missiles have already been tested.

About a year later, new messages appeared on the Husky project. It was noted that at that time the works were at the stage of forming the appearance of a nuclear submarine. The Navy was engaged in the development of technical specifications, in accordance with which preliminary design was to be conducted. The developer in the person of SPBMM “Malakhit” received about two years for the implementation of the draft design. The result of this work will be the formation of the exact appearance of the ship. It was argued that the creation of a fully titanium durable body is not planned, although some elements of titanium will still be present in the design. The type of reactor proposed for use will be determined later.

At the beginning of April, interesting information about the appearance of the Husky submarine was announced by Alexey Rakhmanov, director general of USC. According to him, the new boat will be unified in a number of key elements, becoming strategic and multi-purpose. This approach is used to achieve several goals, including to get the best price offer for the military department. A. Rakhmanov also spoke about the possible timing of the project. So, if the USC can complete the development of the project of the fourth generation submarine for the 2017-18 years, but by this time the creation of the fifth generation submarine does not begin, the latter will be able to release no earlier than the 2030 of the year.

At the end of July of this year, the general director of SPMBM Malakhit specified the possible composition of the armament complex of a promising submarine. According to V. Dorofeev, the new submarines will be able to carry either cruise or ballistic missiles, but it is impossible to equip the ship with two types of weapons at the same time. This is hampered by mass-dimensional parameters of weapons.

According to the latest data, currently, USC and, above all, the Malachite SPMBM are developing the appearance of a promising multi-purpose submarine of the fifth generation. At this stage of work it will take about two years. After completion of the outline design, the main issues related to construction will be resolved. Thus, the head submarine of the new type will be able to enter service no earlier than the beginning of the next decade. What advantages the appearance of a promising submarine will give to the underwater forces of the navy is too early to speak in view of the continued formation of its appearance. Nevertheless, it is already clear that the ongoing work on certain projects in the field of construction of submarines in the future will be useful for the security of the country.


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  1. 0
    9 September 2016 07: 01
    With the development of multipurpose submarines, new engines, new materials solutions, new weapon systems, and the role of surface ships will decrease significantly.
    1. +2
      9 September 2016 07: 22
      will pull this husky for all the details another 10 years
    2. 0
      9 September 2016 07: 44
      Who came up with the name of a Russian submarine named after a non-Russian dog?
      1. FID
        +19
        9 September 2016 09: 36
        Why not Russian? Husky is the name of the northern, eastern husky ....
        1. 0
          9 September 2016 11: 15
          Quote: SSI
          Why not Russian? Husky is the name of the northern, eastern husky ....


          when these northeastern ones build their boat, then let them call it what they want, but for now, Sevmash is still a Russian factory.
          1. FID
            +7
            9 September 2016 11: 19
            So what??? Are you working at Sevmash ??? Are you still Russian ???
            1. +7
              9 September 2016 12: 08
              Quote: SSI
              So what??? Are you working at Sevmash ??? Are you still Russian ???

              and why these questions? Do you care about the Russian language? In the midst of all these armatures, coalitions, derivations, Husks, leaders, storms, boomerangs, drones, Kamazes (now only that way), Russia instead of Russia, Satan instead of Voivode. If you are Russian, does this make you sick?
              1. jjj
                +6
                9 September 2016 12: 38
                Here, I remember, the boats of the project 971 of the Severodvinsk construction were named: "Wolf", "Gepard", "Leopard", "Vepr", "Tiger", "Bars", "Panther". All purely Russian native names of animals living in the Russian northern forests
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                2. 0
                  9 September 2016 13: 30
                  Quote: jjj
                  Here, I remember, the boats of the project 971 of the Severodvinsk construction were named: "Wolf", "Gepard", "Leopard", "Vepr", "Tiger", "Bars", "Panther". All purely Russian native names of animals living in the Russian northern forests


                  As you can see, the Russian is clogged and cluttered and it goes before our eyes.
                3. +5
                  10 September 2016 15: 11
                  Here, I remember, the boats of the project 971 of the Severodvinsk construction were named: "Wolf", "Gepard", "Leopard", "Vepr", "Tiger", "Bars", "Panther".


                  You need to know when to stop, even in "patriotism" ... beer ... *))

                  Leopard is a word of French-German origin, sort of. Leo - "lion", "pardus" - leopard ... *)

                  The cheetah is almost the same, Gattus Pardus is the "cat leopard".

                  Panther (a) - finally a purely Latin word ... *))

                  gygy ... well, after all, there are ... "bends of national identity" ... Husky, you know, "bad" word ... *))) Would you also speak about "Hyacinth", "Peony", "Pioneer" would ... *))), too, because "non-Russian" words ... *))
              2. FID
                +9
                9 September 2016 13: 48
                I lived for a long time in Chukotka (military father) ... This is the North and this is the East ... You, with your knowledge or ... I don't know what to write, Russian, you know the local (at least some) dialects. .. The word "flock" tells you something, but what is the right thing - "pimas" or "boots" ... And you don't have to lean on Americanisms and Europeanisms, I myself do not accept imported borrowings ...
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                  1. FID
                    +1
                    9 September 2016 14: 18
                    Cape Schmidt ...
                    1. +1
                      9 September 2016 14: 34
                      Quote: SSI
                      Cape Schmidt ...


                      is it not strange to you that the Russian lands are called by non-Russians? And after all, what is characteristic is the Cossack Dezhnev at POLAECA earlier passed the shore of the North Ocean and circled Chukotka found that the land of the peninsula is separated by a narrow strait from Alaska, but for some unknown reason they named the explorer Bering despite the fact that he had his own name Aninsky i.e. Ainu is a historical fact. Is it because toponyms get non-Russian names precisely because they are not Russian?
                      1. FID
                        +4
                        9 September 2016 15: 00
                        For "half a century" - ??? My precious one, half a century is 50 years ... Dezhnev at 164 .. I don't remember what year I went to the north .... This is half a millennium, however ...
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                      1. FID
                        +2
                        9 September 2016 15: 18
                        Now there is the Coal Mine Airport (Coal)?
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                2. +1
                  9 September 2016 14: 26
                  Quote: SSI
                  I lived for a long time in Chukotka (military father) ... This is the North and this is the East ... You, with your knowledge or ... I don't know what to write, Russian, you know the local (at least some) dialects. .. The word "flock" tells you something, but what is the right thing - "pimas" or "boots" ... And you don't have to lean on Americanisms and Europeanisms, I myself do not accept imported borrowings ...



                  in the traditions of our people and our submarine use such names
                  Combat submarines of domestic projects: "Shark" "Dolphin" "Lamprey" "Crab" "Postal" Type "Bars" Type "Killer whale" Type "Walrus"
                  everything is in Russian.

                  Source: http://statehistory.ru/3594/Russkie-submariny--Is
                  toriya-otechestvennogo-podvodnogo-flota-online /
                  1. +1
                    22 November 2017 00: 05
                    I know that a year has passed, but the word hurts my eyes: Russian, with one C, in the text from the type of patriot
                    I apologize for the flood.
                3. +1
                  9 September 2016 15: 38
                  For "half a century" - ??? My precious one, half a century is 50 years ... Dezhnev at 164 .. I don't remember what year I went to the north .... This is half a millennium, however ...


                  half a century between the campaigns of Dezhnev and Bering.
              3. 0
                13 September 2016 23: 27
                What did Armata not please? Something brings you to the corners already ...
          2. 0
            9 September 2016 13: 22
            Do not confuse the Siberian Husky with Malamute, although he also has Russian roots!
      2. 0
        9 September 2016 14: 06
        Etc. Husky, it seems, smoothly flowed from Laika Ave., from here and such a name.
      3. 0
        15 September 2016 02: 18
        Well, "Husky" comes from Russian Siberia, so it is quite a Russian breed.

        Siberian Husky is a factory specialized dog breed, registered by American dog handlers in the 30s of the XX century as a sled dog obtained from native dogs of the Russian Far East, mainly from Anadyr, Kolyma, Kamchatka from local sedentary coastal tribes
    3. 0
      9 September 2016 08: 59
      and then the same technology only for surface, which again leads to parity)
    4. AUL
      0
      9 September 2016 09: 25
      Quote: Razvedka_Boem
      With the development of multipurpose submarines, new engines, new materials solutions, new weapon systems, and the role of surface ships will decrease significantly.

      Why did you decide that? What, the submarines will be trawling mines, landing, working as tankers and hospitals? Multipurpose - does not mean universal. Each type of ship has its own purpose, and all multifunctionality comes at the expense of quality.
      1. +2
        9 September 2016 22: 14
        I said if you did not understand that the role of surface ships is DECREASING. I did not say that their role is leveled. But if such phrases are unbearable for you .. I can put it more simply .. And squander the mogyom.
        Once again, for the slow-witted, the new multi-purpose submarines will be able to fulfill the whole range of tasks that are assigned to surface ships at this stage of technology development.
        And trawl with the help of drones, and they have been working with hospitals and tankers for a long time, but naturally within their fleet.
    5. 0
      9 September 2016 22: 40
      It will not decrease, because Air defense / missile defense / anti-aircraft missions can only be carried out effectively by surface ships with powerful air defense systems and anti-submarine helicopters on board. Naval battle control is also carried out from the side of a large ship with the most powerful BIUS.
  2. 0
    9 September 2016 08: 22
    about the destroyers of the project 23560 “Leader” read below, the campaign with the submarine is the same situation, only talk!
  3. +4
    9 September 2016 08: 39
    Quote: Thought
    Who came up with the name of a Russian submarine named after a non-Russian dog?

    But nothing that these dogs come from the Far East? And what difference does it make to name a topic. The name of the topics is given for completely different parameters. And they don’t look, is this Russian name or non-Russian
    1. avt
      +2
      9 September 2016 09: 26
      Quote: Old26
      But nothing that these dogs come from the Far East?

      laughing Well, this is "Rozmysl"! He is in his
      Quote: Thought
      Russian
      "Universe" virtual lives, and here you are with some kind of NERUS Far East.
      1. 0
        9 September 2016 11: 17
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Old26
        But nothing that these dogs come from the Far East?

        laughing Well, this is "Rozmysl"! He is in his
        Quote: Thought
        Russian
        "Universe" virtual lives, and here you are with some kind of NERUS Far East.


        brush your teeth.
        1. avt
          +1
          9 September 2016 15: 43
          Quote: Thought
          brush your teeth.

          laughing All ? And that’s all, that's just how the budgerigar has learned and is repeating that day?
          Quote: Thought
          And they don’t look, is this Russian name or non-Russian

          laughing However, the old academician Pavlov is a great physiologist, now they even taught "Rozmysl" spelling.
          1. 0
            9 September 2016 16: 46
            Quote: avt
            All ? And that’s all, that's just how the budgerigar has learned and is repeating that day?


            Yes, it’s disgusting for you to talk to you.
    2. 0
      9 September 2016 11: 16
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Thought
      Who came up with the name of a Russian submarine named after a non-Russian dog?

      But nothing that these dogs come from the Far East? And what difference does it make to name a topic. The name of the topics is given for completely different parameters. And they don’t look, is this Russian name or non-Russian


      I already answered above ...
  4. +4
    9 September 2016 10: 54
    information is zero, the benefits of the article are about the same.
    1. +1
      9 September 2016 15: 38
      Quote: Cayman Gena
      information is zero, the benefits of the article are about the same.

      That you are in vain so ..
      . Cyril did a great job "putting all the ends together." There is no novelty due to secrecy. But the fact that the chronology of the process was established - for this I must say thanks, and not find fault.
      IMHO.
      1. +2
        9 September 2016 17: 26
        SW The boa constrictor, I don’t blame anyone, I also have an idea of ​​secrecy, Cyril has good notes worthy of attention, but this is a perfect dung, neither a candle to God nor a damn poker. With uv.
  5. +2
    9 September 2016 11: 04
    Again double hull! Well, as much as you can! It has long been found out that the second case is terribly phonetic at low frequencies and easily detected. Western submarines somehow do without it and sank the last time more than half a century ago ...
    1. +1
      9 September 2016 11: 49
      Perhaps this is most likely disa or pearl journalist.
      double-hulled boat in terms of noise well, not like the 5th generation does not pull.
    2. FID
      +1
      9 September 2016 12: 20
      I beg your pardon, but submarines like "Lada", "Kalina" (nicknamed black holes) ... they are double-hulled ... And, like, hell knows what generation ...
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      2. +1
        9 September 2016 13: 18
        FID
        I beg your pardon, but submarines like "Lada", "Kalina" (nicknamed black holes) ... they are double-hulled ... And, like, hell knows what generation ...

        Good afternoon, Sergey Ivanovich. hi
        PL Lada is a single-hull submarine. According to the project, Kalina is still not clear, they are only developing it. But I believe that it will be a single-hull.
        As for the Husky MAPL, then most likely it will be a half-hull submarine, like Borey. But this is all on paper and during the discussion. It is possible to abandon the screws in favor of water cannons, which will reduce the noise even more.
        By the way, mattresses called "black holes" only one of our submarines, these are submarines of the Varshavyanka project. For Lada, no nicknames have yet been invented, and even more so for Kalina.
        Best regards hi
        1. FID
          +1
          9 September 2016 13: 23
          Hello Andrei! Well, I'm not a sailor, I can be wrong, and I confess ... I just always thought that our boats are double-hulled (light and durable), except for the "Shark", which is MULTI-HOUSED ... But, I repeat, I could be wrong ( I do not like Wikipedia, which can lie, dig ....).
          Sincerely ...
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          1. +2
            9 September 2016 13: 53
            rudolff
            Lada one and a half-hull. Robust axisymmetric and with one diameter over almost the entire length. The lightweight superstructure over the solid is clearly defined and well distinguishable.

            Yes, that's right ... thanks for fixing ... hi
            The submarine design is one-and-a-half hull, the hull design uses AB-2 steel developed by TsNI KM "Prometey". Due to the use of the most modern means of acoustic protection, it is assumed that the noise level of the submarine will be several times lower than that of the submarine of pr.877. The submarine of this project is equipped with horizontal cutting rudders. The anti-hydroacoustic coating of the boat was developed by the Central Research Institute named after Acad.Krylov and is made of 7-8 layers and 40 mm thick.
            1 compartment - HAC and TA antennas
            2 compartment - command post
            3 compartment - residential
            4 and 5 compartments - power plant
            Engines: full electric movement with a single all-mode electric motor
            2 х 28DG direct current diesel generators of the Kolomna plant and JSC "Electrosila" with a capacity of 1000 kW, the generator uses an 8-cylinder V-shaped diesel D-49 with a piston diameter of 260 mm, a piston stroke of 260 mm and a rotational speed of up to 1000 rpm min. Diesel generators are controlled remotely from a central station using a digital control system. During the repair, which until March 27, 2012 was carried out on the lead boat "St. Petersburg" at the Admiralty Shipyard, the generators were replaced (source).

            1 х main propeller motor SED-1 (brushless low-speed all-mode electric motor with permanent magnet excitation) with a power of 4100 hp (4100 kW according to other data), the development of CDB MT "Rubin" together with FSUE NIIEFA im. D.V. Efremova. Production of OJSC "New Era" (assembly), OJSC "Electrosila", FGUP TsNII "Elektropribor". Management - digital control system developed by the Central Research Institute "Electropribor". The small-sized prototype of the engine was successfully tested, the first full-size prototype was installed on the head submarine of Project 677. According to the results of tests in 2006, a significant revision of the system was required at a speed of 125 rpm or more, carried out in 2007. The power developed by the engine during tests according to Lukin's data (see sources) did not exceed 50%. As of May 2010, the B-585 submarine was put into trial operation by the Navy with a power plant operating at 60% capacity. As of November 2011, according to unofficial data and according to the media, problems with the lack of knowledge of the electric motor remain.

            2 x external screw propellers RDK-35 with electric motors PG-102M (?), 140 hp each development of NPP "Marine Technics".
          2. +2
            9 September 2016 13: 55
            rudolff
            Lada one and a half-hull.

            Energy - batteries, 2 groups of 126 pcs. - product 476, total power - 10580 kW / h. Submarine power supply system - for withdrawable devices - direct current voltage of at least 175 and not more than 320 volts.

            According to an interview with the director of the Admiralty Shipyards, Alexander Buzakov, the completion of the boats according to the modernized project will begin in 2013 if they are included in the State Defense Order for a year. Also, when the standard lithium storage batteries are ready, they will be installed on the Kronstadt submarine. As of September 2012, funding for work on lithium batteries has been allocated, experimental work has been carried out.

            The rescue system is a universal rescue complex of the KSU-600 type for remote automatic release of PSNL-20 life rafts (2 pcs, in the superstructure in front of the retractable devices fencing, the system was developed by the Lazurit Central Design Bureau, is also used on the K-335 Gepard submarine).

            TTX submarine:
            Crew - 35 pax

            Length - 66.8 m
            Width - 7.1 m
            Draft - 6.7 m

            Surface displacement - 1765 tons (1950 tons according to other data)
            Underwater displacement - 2650 tons

            Surface Speed ​​- 10 knots
            Maximum underwater speed - 21 knots
            The range of the maximum underwater with alternating RDP mode (speed 7 knots) and quiet running (3.5 knots) - 16000 miles (taking into account the fuel consumption for charging batteries)
            Submersible stroke range in RDP mode (speed 7 kn):
            - 6500 miles (excluding fuel consumption for charging batteries)
            - 6000 miles (source)
            Underwater stroke range (speed 3 kn) - 650 miles
            Working immersion depth - 240-250 m (according to various sources)
            Maximum immersion depth - 300 m

            Autonomy - 45 days
            Guaranteed service life - 25 years
            Guaranteed service life until the first repair - 10 years

            Noise of the submarine - according to media reports, the noise of pr.677 should be 50% of the noise of the submarine of pr.877, which means a calm noise level of about 30 dB.

            Armament:
            6 x 533-mm bow torpedo tubes with an air firing system and a device for automatic fast silent reloading of the "Murena" (2 upper tier torpedo tubes are adapted for firing remote-controlled torpedoes). According to the TTZ for the creation of submarines, it was supposed to install 4 TA with ammunition of 12 torpedoes.

            Ammunition - mines, 18 torpedoes (types SAET-60M, UGST and USET-80K), missiles-torpedoes "Shkval" and anti-ship missiles "Turquoise" (Club-S), launched from torpedo tubes or 22 mines of the type DM-1. According to the data of 2009, in the 1990s, the TE-677 "Toy" torpedo was developed for the submarine pr.2 - fate is unknown.
            6 x Igla-1M MANPADS

            hi
          3. +2
            9 September 2016 14: 04
            Quote from rudolf
            Lada one and a half-hull. Robust axisymmetric and with one diameter over almost the entire length. The lightweight superstructure over the solid is clearly defined and well distinguishable.

            An interesting question about AS-31 "Losharik" ... by the way, the name is very good. wink
            But TTX does not please the adversary at all ... a working depth of 1000 m, and according to some reports up to 6000 m.
            At the same time, it is positioned here as a deep-sea station that does not carry weapons, and mattresses believe that:
            However, in October 2015, Pentagon experts said that the AS-31 is a "diversion apparatus" for installing devices for the destruction of various underwater infrastructure and primarily communication cables, which in the event of a global conflict, the AS-31 can seriously undermine the Internet destroying main communication cables between continents
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              1. +1
                9 September 2016 16: 55
                rudolff
                This is the 29th Separate Submarine Brigade SN. Although the neighbors were in Gadzhievo and vodka was abused together in an officer hotel, the topic of deep-sea stations was always closed for discussion. If anything was heard, it was recommended to forget immediately

                If we talk about the "hunters", then for me it was not worth reinventing the wheel, but raising the documentation for Lear (project 705) ... finalizing it taking into account modern realities, and putting it into production in a "steel" version. I think this is a better solution than modernized Varshavyanka or the failed Lada project.
              2. +2
                9 September 2016 17: 07
                rudolff
                This is the 29th Separate Submarine Brigade SN. Although the neighbors were in Gadzhievo and vodka was abused together in an officer hotel, the topic of deep-sea stations was always closed for discussion. If anything was heard, it was recommended to forget immediately.

                I am a sinful thing, when I passed infa on Status-6 I thought, and not from "Losharik" then legs grow according to this very Status ... hi
        3. +2
          9 September 2016 15: 56
          Quote: NEXUS
          Perhaps they will abandon the screws in favor of water jets, which will reduce the noise even more.

          Greetings, Andrew!
          Judging by the trend, Virginia Americans run on a propeller in the propulsion enclosure equal to 2 screw diameters. Amami refused from * water cannons ...
          The general path of development most likely lies in the plane of full electric movement with the transfer of the HED to the fairing or to the hub of the mover, but in any case - outside the PC.
          Sincerely. hi
          1. +1
            9 September 2016 16: 27
            Boa kaa
            Greetings, Andrew!

            Good afternoon, Sasha! hi
            The general path of development most likely lies in the plane of full electric movement with the transfer of the HED to the fairing or to the hub of the mover, but in any case - outside the PC.

            Perhaps so ... apparently, it is still impossible to completely abandon the screws. But with all this, the concern is, let's say, modularity, in which, as far as I understand, universality and blurring the boundaries between strategic missile carriers and multipurpose hunters are conceived. Are we in too much of a hurry to universalize that? It is very much like "pushing something that is not crammed" ... after all, these are essentially two different classes and applications of submarines. So that we do not succeed in the same way as with mattresses from the F-35, with the replacement of three classes of combat aircraft with modifications of one platform.
            1. +1
              10 September 2016 00: 15
              Quote: NEXUS
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              Perhaps so ... apparently, it is still impossible to completely abandon the screws. But with all this, the concern is, let's say, modularity, in which, as far as I understand, universality and blurring the boundaries between strategic missile carriers and multipurpose hunters are conceived. Are we in too much of a hurry to universalize that? It is very much like "pushing something that is not crammed" ... after all, these are essentially two different classes and applications of submarines. So that we do not succeed in the same way as with mattresses from the F-35, with the replacement of three classes of combat aircraft with modifications of one platform.


              Andrew!
              Do not worry!
              Words about "combining the strategic" are just idle talk for populism!
              This is just an stretch on the potential introduction of tactical and nuclear performance into the future arsenal of the Kyrgyz Republic. Those. installation of 1-2 turret launchers, as on virges.
              Indeed, the commissioning of boats of the project 636.3 KR Caliber with a stretch can be called strategic ...

              About what is called the Husky. This will be the hunter / defender of the SSBN. Do not doubt.
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    9 September 2016 12: 09
    It is interesting that VNEU ECG for pl or Zenit Arena will be built earlier in St. Petersburg? Or is one office engaged in these matters?
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      9 September 2016 12: 14
      And it depends on what is meant by the word "build". smile
      Officially, Zenit Arena will be completed in 2018 - there are no options (otherwise everyone will be very bad). And then it will be "complex of work to eliminate identified deficiencies"- 5 years. laughing
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        9 September 2016 16: 02
        And then there will be "a set of works to eliminate the identified shortcomings" - for 5 years.

        This is in the tradition of modern * jets *!
        And such a "thing" is called - service of the commissioned object. It is usually from 3 to 5 years old (like a book by S.Ya. Marshak! And the zalepukh there to match the book). Yes
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      9 September 2016 14: 03
      Quote: Persistence
      It is interesting that VNEU ECG for pl or Zenit Arena will be built earlier in St. Petersburg? Or is one office engaged in these matters?

      Both that and another are for a long time built, but do not work. But I would bet 100 to 1 in the Arena.
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    9 September 2016 15: 39
    They are sprayed into the Russian Navy - not to send all projects of frigates, destroyers, cruisers, aircraft carriers, "Boreyev-A" and "Lad" to the furnace, and use the saved funds to switch to the construction of exclusively multipurpose nuclear submarines "Husky" (single-hull titanium with liquid metal reactors ) and the coastal fleet of corvettes and RTOs.
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    9 September 2016 16: 47
    Quote: Operator
    They are sprayed into the Russian Navy - not to send all projects of frigates, destroyers, cruisers, aircraft carriers, "Boreyev-A" and "Lad" to the furnace, and use the saved funds to switch to the construction of exclusively multipurpose nuclear submarines "Husky" (single-hull titanium with liquid metal reactors ) and the coastal fleet of corvettes and RTOs.

    Let's start from the end ... Before writing about titanium submarines, you asked how much the USSR cost such submarines compared to steel submarines ... plus the modernization of such submarines is not at all an easy matter, and thirdly: the timing of the construction of an "eternal" submarine and such a steel same class.
    For example, the Lyra submarine project ... look how much this project was developed and how many submarines themselves were built. Although in fairness, it should be noted that in terms of speed characteristics Lyra was second only to Anchar 42 knots versus 44,7 knots ...
    And to be honest, in my opinion such submarines with a displacement of 1500-2000 tons would now be useful to our Navy ...
    Regarding Lada, Kalina and Varshavyanka ... they are relatively cheap and can be built quickly and in large quantities, which cannot be said about multipurpose nuclear submarines such as Ash. At the same time, the same Lada is a purebred "hunter". Why diesel submarines did not please you, and even more so with anaerobic SU?
    Without frigates, destroyers, cruisers, how long do you think even the most advanced submarine against adversary will survive?
    Do not be like Khrushchev, who was cutting cannons, throats, that the time had come for rockets.
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      10 September 2016 00: 21
      Quote: NEXUS
      At the same time, the same Lada is a purebred "hunter". Why did the diesel submarines not please you, and even more so with anaerobic control system?


      Andrew!
      You are not right.
      Lada is not a hunter.
      Her characteristics do not allow her to be a hunter.
      The hunter should be much faster, and significantly less noisy, and completely surpass in detection means.
      Varshavyanka / Lada - "string"!
      Lada is the protector.
      Ambush.
      Coastal.
      This is her destiny.
      She is incapable of more.
      There is no operational space for her!
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        10 September 2016 12: 58
        mav1971
        Andrew!
        You are not right.
        Lada is not a hunter.
        Her characteristics do not allow her to be a hunter

        And this is where the question of the classification of the "hunters" themselves arises ... as you, Alexei, do not call Lada, its task is to destroy the enemy's submarine. And it doesn't matter in your coastal zone, or directly from the pier, but you yourself said "ambush" ... but excuse me, whether the enemy's submarine is destroyed from an ambush or in a free hunt, it is not so important for the classification of submarines. said that Lada is a hunter.
        She is incapable of more.
        There is no operational space for her

        That is why I said that it is not necessary to reinvent the wheel and dance with a tambourine ... There is a wonderful project 705 (Lira)! Displacement is similar to Lada’s parameters, but Lira’s control system is a liquid metal coolant reactor. Moreover, the accident was, if I am not mistaken, only one, and there were no casualties, for the entire time of operation.
        Finalize project 705 taking into account the new realities and put into series in the steel version. At the same time, we get a good and trusted hunter.
        The closure of project 865 Piranha ... uh ... also causes bewilderment.
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    9 September 2016 22: 58
    How can you combine projects of submarines for various purposes? The hull diameter of the SSBNs and MAPLs is very different, MAPLs have half the displacement and their length is usually less than 1,5 times. Already now, submarines use the same type of tactical weapons and powerplant. Design differences are due to the different purpose of the ships.
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    10 September 2016 07: 37
    Quote: NEXUS
    But with all this, the concern is, let’s say, modularity, in which, as far as I understand, the universality and blurring of boundaries between strategic missile carriers and multipurpose hunters is conceived.

    Andrey, universality will be in the filling - mechanisms and assemblies inside the PC;
    modularity - in armament for solving assigned tasks;
    about the lines between the strategist and the strike submarine, I believe that the SLBM and the CRBD are somewhat different machines. Therefore, rkkSNy class Borey will remain, but with the adoption of the Husky with GZO DB will lead them to the category of users threatening coastal facilities. Why don’t you a strategist!
    Quote: mav1971
    Husky. This will be the hunter / defender of the SSBN.
    Aleksey, and then what to do with the WGCR? I think, with all this, according to the tasks and weapons will be on board. They will make a * universal * carrier, so as not to bother with specialized ones - operation will be cheaper.
    The main thing is that it should be silent (as far as possible). And in other fields did not shine!
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    10 November 2016 19: 17
    there is only one question .. why are not sketches made for animals of the ocean?

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