"Fake war" with Germany. How Britain and France betrayed Poland and planned to organize a "crusade" against the USSR

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"Fake war" with Germany. How Britain and France betrayed Poland and planned to organize a "crusade" against the USSR

After 1 September 1939, Germany attacked Poland, September 3 England and France declared war on the Reich. At the same time, the masters of England and France, although they had a complete advantage over the Germans on the Western Front, did not rush to the aid of Poland, effectively leaving it to their fate. Therefore, the period of the Second World War from 3 in September 1939 to 10 in May 1940 of the year on the Western Front was called “Strange War”, “Unreal War” or “Sit War” (fr. Drôle de guerre, Engl. Phoney War, German Sitzkrieg).

Thus, the nature of hostilities between the warring parties was underlined - their almost complete absence, with the exception of hostilities at sea. The warring parties conducted only local battles on the Franco-German border, mostly sitting in the fortifications of the Maginot and Siegfried defensive lines. In fact, London and Paris allowed Berlin to calmly and successfully complete the Polish campaign, seize Denmark and Norway, and prepare for the invasion of France itself.



Thus, the English Field Marshal B. Montgomery noted: “France and Britain did not budge when Germany swallowed Poland. We continued to remain inactive even when the German armies were being transferred to the West with an absolutely obvious goal of attacking us! We patiently waited for us to be attacked, and throughout this period, from time to time they bombed Germany with leaflets. ” And French General A. Beaufr wrote that the war began to seem "some sort of gigantic scenario of silent conciliation, in which nothing serious can happen if we play our party correctly."

A similar assessment of the position of London and Paris at the time when the German aggressor could still be used, stopped, was also given by the German general K. Tippelskirch. He noted that at the end of 1939, at the beginning of 1940, the preparation for the upcoming actions “did not deal with the French army at all ... They did not particularly believe in the offensive of the enemy. The troops did not aim at waging war at all. The widespread apt expression "strange war" was characteristic of the attitude of the French to war and the Motherland. "

Although it was obvious that the conquest of Poland was only an intermediate step in the implementation of Hitler’s program to create the world’s “Eternal Reich”. For a number of objective circumstances, Adolf Hitler decided to first solve the problems of the strategic rear, before making a roll to the East. Hitler was well versed in strategy and economic issues. He understood that Germany was not ready to go to war with such a strong power possessing enormous resources and territory like the USSR. It was necessary to urgently increase the military-industrial and demographic potential of the German Empire, not only at the expense of domestic resources, their mobilization and long-term development programs, but also at the expense of other Western European countries. That is, to create a kind of "European Union" headed by the Third Reich. And already relying on his resources to increase the power of the Wehrmacht, to prepare a broader strategic base for the onslaught to the East, and also to solve the problem of a reliable rear, so as not to repeat the main mistake of the Second Reich during the First World War - the war on two strategic fronts. Hitler sought to completely eliminate the possibility of war on two fronts during the war with Russia. For this it was necessary to crush France and a number of other states in the West, and also to conclude a tacit agreement with the British.

Also the Fuhrer wanted to solve the long-standing historical a dispute between the French and the Germans, France was seen as a historical enemy, which must be significantly defeated and humiliated. With the British, given the strong Anglo-Philosophical mood in the German elite, which actually developed the racial and hate theories of the Anglo-Saxons, Berlin expected to come to an agreement and together build a racial, slave-owning New World Order.

The inevitability of the war with France and England was provided for by the German top even before the start of the Second World War. This concept was formulated by Hitler back in 1924, in Mein Kampf. He wrote: “Germany should look for acquisitions of new territories in Eastern Europe at the expense of Russia and limiting countries. We break with the traditional aspirations of the Germans to the south and west of Europe and pay attention to the East. " But before, noted Hitler, it is necessary to destroy the desire of France to hegemony and "once and for all explain with this sworn enemy." "The destruction of France will allow Germany to acquire territories in the East later." "The settling of accounts" in the West is only a prelude ... It can be viewed solely as a cover for our rear in order to spread our territory in Europe. "

8 March 1939, at a meeting with senior representatives of the military, economic and party leadership, Hitler returned to the idea of ​​a historic defeat of France: “In 1940 and 1941. Germany once and for all will settle accounts with its eternal enemy - France. This country will be erased from the map of Europe. England is an old and frail country weakened by democracy. When France is defeated, Germany will easily establish domination over England and will then receive at its disposal the wealth and possession of England throughout the world. ”

Therefore, Berlin began to pre-plan the war against France, England and Belgium and the Netherlands in the middle of the 1930-s. The Germans saw in France the main enemy in the coalition of the Western powers and hoped that the defeat of the French army, the largest force that was in Western Europe, would lead to the establishment of German hegemony in Europe and force England to become Germany’s junior partner during the construction of the New World Order.

It is worth noting that the general scheme in the planning of European and world domination was pretty well outlined by the leaders of the Third Reich in the prewar years. First, hiding behind the campaign of anti-Bolshevism and anti-Sovietism, and receiving financial and economic assistance from large Western capital (especially British and American), the German elite planned to seize the resources of Central and Eastern Europe, strengthening the strategic positions and the military-industrial base of the Third Reich. Paris, London and Washington at this time, waiting for the decisive clash of the Germans and Russians, strongly supported the onslaught of Germany to the East, surrendering Berlin one position after another. Then Berlin planned to collapse on the countries of Western Europe in order to secure the strategic rear and further strengthen the military-economic and raw material base of Germany, which is already becoming the leader of Europe (the “European Union”).

At the same time, Hitler apparently had certain confidence that he would be handed over not only Eastern and Central Europe, but also Western Europe, including France. The masters of the West were ready to give almost the whole of Europe to Hitler, so that he organizes a "crusade" to the East, against the Russian (Soviet) civilization, which announced a new, alternative model of the world order, inherently fair, denying the parasitism of a small handful of "elite" over all of humanity. The Soviet Union built a society of creation and service, proclaiming social justice, opposing them to the consumer society and the slave model of capitalism. Therefore, the masters of the West have allowed Hitler and his entourage a great deal, including the capture of most of Europe.

It is not surprising that when the Wehrmacht armored divisions smashed Poland, there was an “Unreal war” on the Western front. The defensive strategy of Germany in the West during the war with Poland was temporary and understandable. It was caused by the need to concentrate maximum forces and resources in the East and to avoid active war on two fronts. After Hitler defeated Poland and escaped the threat from Moscow by concluding a non-aggression pact, it became possible to transfer the main forces of the Wehrmacht to the western front, which were hardened during the victorious Polish campaign. Beginning in mid-September 1939, the leadership of the Third Reich began preparations for an offensive on the Western Front. September 27 at a military meeting, Hitler said: “Time will work in general against us if we don’t use it right now. The economic potential of the opposite side is stronger. The enemy is able to purchase and transport. Militarily, time is also not working for us ... Once lost time is irreplaceable in the future. ... In any case, it is necessary to immediately prepare an attack on France. ”

Hitler was completely right about the irreplaceableness of lost time. However, France continued to move in line with the policies of the owners of the West, who gave Europe to Hitler. The lessons of betrayal against Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland, which led to a significant weakening of the positions of the national states of France and England, were not properly evaluated. There was still a lull on the Franco-German border. The inaction of the French and British troops created the most favorable conditions for the further actions of Nazi Germany. Not a single bomb hit the extremely vulnerable German military-industrial base, the Ruhr, where new mountains were being prepared. weapons on the eve of the next military campaign. Limited combat operations were conducted only on sea lanes. Britain traditionally wanted to maintain dominance at sea in order to secure the metropolis and its communications with the colonies and dominions.

The Munich policy aimed at resolving the internal contradictions in the capitalist world at the expense of the Soviet civilization, the course towards Germany and Russia, did not change even after the Polish campaign. Moreover, this course has become even more pronounced. The governments of Britain and France believed that, without conducting active hostilities against Germany, formally entering into war with the Reich, and continuing to exert political, informational and economic pressure on the Germans, they would be able to force Berlin to go to the East. During this period, in the West, the anti-Soviet campaign reached its apogee, Europe was embraced by the spirit of a “crusade”.

Moreover, London and Paris, formally fighting with Germany, were closely engaged in diplomatic, economic and military preparations for an attack on the Soviet Union. Actively developed military plans, was preparing troops. Possible targets of attacks on the USSR were discussed in Paris: Leningrad and Murmansk in the north, and the Black Sea and the Caucasus were in the focus of attention in the south. The attack on the USSR was planned to be carried out from two directions - in the north and south. Under the pretext of helping Finland during the Soviet-Finnish war, they planned to strike at Leningrad and Murmansk, intercept the railway between the two centers. To do this, it was planned to use large ground and naval forces, 150 thousand were being formed and prepared for the transfer to Finland. Anglo-French Expeditionary Force. Weapons and equipment were sent to Finland in a wide stream. At the same time, preparations were underway for use aviation и fleet against the southern regions of the Soviet Union. Plans were developed for air strikes in the oil-producing regions of the Caucasus. It was also planned to introduce the Anglo-French fleet into the Black Sea and establish its control over it.

This was not the case. Plans were developed and practical preparations were made for broad offensive actions in the land Caucasian theater. 19 January 1940, Paris and London set about developing a “direct invasion of the Caucasus”. In the West, it was planned that Yugoslavia and Turkey would be involved in a war against the Soviet Union. An important role in carrying out a strike on the USSR from the south was assigned to the French command, created in Syria and Lebanon, headed by Weygand.

Thus, instead of fighting with Berlin, although he was officially declared war, London and Paris were preparing for strikes on the USSR in the north and south, clearly pushing Hitler to begin a general "crusade" of the West against the Russian (Soviet) civilization.


Not for nothing, the English historian A. Taylor, considering the policies of the English and French governments during the “strange war” period, noted: “For Great Britain and France to provoke a war with Soviet Russia, when they were already in a war with Germany, it seems insane, and this suggests about a more sinister plan: to direct the war along an anti-Bolshevik course so that the war against Germany can be forgotten or even ended. ”

The former president of Czechoslovakia E. Benes, who was after the occupation of the country in London, wrote that in the winter of 1939-1940 the governments of England and France sought to involve their countries in the war against the USSR, entering into an agreement with Germany: “Germany should attack only the Soviet Union, concluding peace with the Western powers. " And the influential British newspaper "The Times" wrote about the "eventual regrouping of powers, including Germany, included in the anti-Soviet front."

Actively preparing for war with the Union, the masters of the West took measures to ensure that Hitler was aware of this and this created the prospect of a joint anti-Soviet "crusade", where Germany was assigned the main role, and England and France had to act on the strategic flanks. Besides, Anglo-Saxons continued persistent attempts to push Japan to war with the USSR. In this case, England rightly counted on US support.

It is clear that such a course on a “fake war” with Germany and preparation for a general “crusade” of the West against Soviet civilization had the most negative impact on the combat capability of France and other Western states. While Germany was preparing for a real war in the West, France was demoralized, lost the spirit of struggle. The morale of the people and the army was undermined, the combat readiness of the armed forces decreased. The danger from Germany diminished, the resources of France and England were not fully mobilized to repel the German strike. In France, the level of military production during the "war" even declined.

Thus, the British and French "elites" contributed to the further expansion of the Second World War and again created for the leadership of the Third Reich the most favorable conditions for the continuation of the aggression in Europe.
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  1. +5
    6 September 2016 06: 03
    London and Paris allowed Berlin to calmly and successfully complete the Polish campaign, capture Denmark and Norway, and prepare for the invasion of France itself

    Nice clarification: "Paris allowed Berlin ... to prepare for the invasion of France itself". Here, in this case, the dependence of" Paris "not on the French and France as a whole is clearly manifested, but a direct dependence is clearly visible at all on other forces interested in kindling the fire of the world war. In this case, the peculiarity of Western" democracy "is clearly manifested. , where the people and the country are governed not by internal forces (people, the interests of the country), but most likely by some otherworldly.
    1. +2
      6 September 2016 10: 43
      Nice clarification: "Paris allowed Berlin ... prepare for the invasion of France itself. "Here, in this case, the dependence of" Paris "not on the French and France as a whole is clearly visible, but a direct dependence on completely other forces is clearly visible,


      The categorical desire among the French (and indeed all other Western Europeans) was then only one: to avoid war and its terrible losses and do it at any price. And the French, who suffered one of the biggest losses of the WWII, remembered them best of all, they were already morally broken by WWI and mortally afraid of Germany. Therefore, both Daladier and Chamberlain merely carried out the will of their constituents in this matter: it suffices to recall how enthusiastically greeted them at home after the signing of Munich.
      . To the outline of the logic of this desire and its corresponding appeasement policies with respect to Hitler, all the events of 1937-1940 fit in: the successive surrender of Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland: do what you want, but don’t touch us.
      The logic was certainly vicious and led precisely to losses and war.

      The author’s logic is limping: if the West only wanted to push Germany to the East-why was he to declare war on him? Without declaring war on him, they would push him to the East much stronger.

      According to the author, the West was preparing to strike at the USSR and, at the same time (also to the author) "France hasn't even increased military production" What kind of "preparation" is this for a war with a strong enemy of the USSR, and even in a war (albeit a strange one) with Germany, the eternal unpredictable mortal enemy?

      French Prime Minister Daladier spoke very well about the war, speaking in parliament on September 2 1940 g (already TWO DAYS there was a war!):

      “The heroism of our soldiers may be only a feat of the defender, not a conqueror... France rises only when convincedthat you need to fight for your life and for your independence. "

      And they did not care about Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.

      It is enough to add that the continuation of the policy of appeasement even during 1-2 September (Danzig is already occupied, thousands of dead!) Paris and London actively discussed the idea with Hitler ..... Peace conference on Hitler’s terms, put forward by Mussolini.
      1. +1
        5 October 2016 22: 31
        Quote: Aleksander
        What kind of "preparation" is this for a war with a strong enemy of the USSR, and even in a war (albeit a strange one) with Germany, the eternal unpredictable mortal enemy?

        Because France was not going to fight herself, but only to pretend that she was fighting.
        Quote: Aleksander
        Therefore, both Daladier and Chamberlain merely carried out the will of their constituents in this matter: it suffices to recall how enthusiastically greeted them at home after the signing of Munich.

        Actually, the whole story says that if the government wants to start a war, it starts it, and the opinion of the people is the tenth thing.
        Quote: Aleksander
        and mortally afraid of Germany

        Which at the time of the beginning of the "policy of appeasement" did not have any army, navy or military-industrial complex capable of threatening them.
        Quote: Aleksander
        why would he declare war on him? Without declaring war on him, they would push him to the East much more strongly.

        To formally disown the aggressor. Now the USA is also "at war" with ISIS. They even bombed a couple of excavators.
    2. +1
      6 September 2016 13: 38
      ... and most likely some otherworldly

      A bunch of villains by whom capital has changed the way of thinking so much that they can no longer be considered people.
  2. +3
    6 September 2016 07: 14
    Thus, instead of fighting with Berlin, although he was officially declared war, London and Paris were preparing for strikes on the USSR in the north and south, clearly pushing Hitler to begin a general "crusade" of the West against the Russian (Soviet) civilization.

    This explains the lack of powers of some members of the delegations, any reason for delaying negotiations. There are negotiations between the USSR, Britain and France. << Negotiations between England, France and the Soviet Union took place in Moscow from June 15 to August 2. 12 meetings were held. In fact, their process was just a screen for Western diplomats. Britain and France were not going to sign any agreements on mutual assistance with the Soviet Union. The aim was to disorient public opinion in these countries and, to a certain extent, pressure Hitler to make him compromise with France and England. >> Thanks to the author for reminding me of this conspiracy. Link to negotiations. http://biofile.ru/his/33033.html
  3. +7
    6 September 2016 07: 37
    There is almost nothing about the "strange war" itself ... Much about plans ... intentions ... The text of the article does not correspond to the heading
  4. +4
    6 September 2016 07: 54
    France and England could put an end to the very beginning of WW-2, hitting the rear of the weak German rear divisions, thereby inflicting unacceptable losses on the Second Reich and preventing the spread of world war. However, the Entente did not. She had to close the gap between the Second Reich and the USSR, which was Poland. How else can Germany fight Russia, having on its communications "the jackal of Europe"? The surrender of Poland is the squeezing of the Wehrmacht to the borders of the USSR. Then there will be an "escape" to England of the "second man of the Reich" for further contacts with "enemies".
    1. +2
      6 September 2016 11: 00
      She needed to eliminate gap between the Second Reich and the USSR, which was Poland. The surrender of Poland is the squeezing of the Wehrmacht to the borders of the USSR

      This was not a "gap", but a rather strong and absolutely ideological-Russophobic state, always ready to march on Russia.
      And if the goal of the West was precisely the crushing of the USSR, then why should he destroy such a wonderful performer of this task?
      The West, I think, wanted one thing: let Hitler take what he wants, but leave us exceptional people alone.
      1. 0
        7 September 2016 06: 33
        Aleksander "And if the goal of the West was precisely the crushing of the USSR, then why should it destroy such an excellent performer of this task?"

        And Hitler needed a "controller" on his communications who could shoot him in the back at any moment on the orders of the "Entente"? Adolphe doo was not!
        1. 0
          7 September 2016 08: 10
          And Hitler needed a "controller" on his communications, who could at any time shoot him in the back on the orders of the "Entente"? Adolphe doo was not!


          If the West really had the main goal of crushing the USSR, then such an order would be an order to cut off one hand from the two arms of an attack on the USSR: Poland's army was large, well-motivated against Russia, and was the perfect cannon fodder. Therefore, it is illogical. If the West was so "omnipotent", it could simply have ordered Poland to conclude an alliance with Hitler on a joint march to the East - and the chances of defeating the USSR are doubled. However, it was the opposite.

          And it was absolutely illogical to declare war on Germany, if they were pushing him east: not declaring war would motivate Hitler to attack the USSR much more.
          1. 0
            7 September 2016 10: 56
            Aleksander "If the West was so" omnipotent ", he could simply order Poland to conclude an alliance with Hitler on a joint campaign to the East"

            The question-questions was the so-called. "Danzig corridor". Read on this topic, then hypothesize about the alliance "Rzeczpospolita Polska" & "Drittes Reich".
          2. 0
            5 October 2016 22: 34
            Quote: Aleksander
            the army of Poland was numerous, well motivated against Russia and was

            rolled by the Germans into a thin pancake without much effort. Russophobia and the ability to realize this Russophobia are not the same thing.
  5. +1
    6 September 2016 08: 08
    ... This concept was formulated by Hitler back in 1924 at Mine Campf. He wrote: “Germany must seek the acquisition of new territories in Eastern Europe at the expense of Russia and the state of limotrophic.

    This is to the question of how, in the presentation of modern Baltic historiography, the representatives of the "Baltic Tigers" diligently served in SS units, gaining the longed-for independence ...
  6. +3
    6 September 2016 08: 45
    Short article. Expected more and something new.
  7. +8
    6 September 2016 08: 53
    If you read the memoirs of the French, Belgians and Norwegians dedicated to the life of the people in these countries during their occupation by Germany, then you can note an interesting thing - you will not find descriptions of the horrors of the "occupation regime" there, they mainly complain about the everyday difficulties of life during the war, ordinary difficulties wartime - the need for access control, increased attention to blackouts, the expectation of bombing and the bombing by the allies (and then only at the end of the war), etc. But there you can also find undisguised joy that they did not experience many of the hardships of the war - the Germans of all provided work, and far from hard labor, but normally paid by the standards of wartime - none of them lived in poverty, especially in France and Belgium, it is also noted with satisfaction that the Germans put "order" in the countries - there was no political "confusion and vacillation "due to the presence of numerous" left "and other parties that have become" unnecessary "now, there was no crime at all and acts of sabotageand the terror that was occasionally organized by the abandoned saboteurs from England and also by the small local collaborators, the population perceived with irritation, rendering the Germans all possible assistance in capturing the saboteurs. From this we can conclude that the population of the countries of "occupied" Europe did not perceive this occupation itself as a "disaster", rather, on the contrary, they sincerely believed that the Germans brought them order and a solution to all pre-war problems and only a war with the "damned" Russians, not allowed to strengthen this new order and to equip a new, "happy" life under the protection of the German, "Aryan" nation. And not only that, they did their best to help the Germans win an early victory. That is why all these "European" peoples do not perceive their "liberation" from the German occupation by the Russian troops precisely as "liberation" - they just see this as a real "occupation" by "barbaric", "Asian" hordes that did not allow them to achieve: "the complete unification of European peoples under the auspices of the Aryan German nation for further development and prosperity" (words of Vidkun Quisling, leader of the fascist party of Norway). That is why they still hate us and consider us "occupiers".
    1. +2
      6 September 2016 10: 31
      Monster_Fat: "acts of sabotage and terror which were occasionally carried out by abandoned saboteurs from England as well as a few local collaborators"

      Have you confused anything? Aglitsa saboteurs and a few "collaborators" in the same team against the Reich ... Hedgehogs and snakes in the same team ... The Vishists and Quislings of the taperich siznitsa are recorded in the "resistance" ... Well, okay, we'll know.
      1. +1
        6 September 2016 10: 36
        "Collaborators" are those who are for "allies", that is, traitors to the established "occupation" regime.
        1. +1
          6 September 2016 11: 36
          In 1939-1991, Russians in Europe were perceived as occupiers because of the difference in ideology - bourgeois and communist.

          Now Russians in Europe are perceived as liberators due to the coincidence of ideology - the construction of nation-states.
        2. 0
          7 September 2016 06: 36
          Monster_Fat "Collaborators" are those who are for "allies", that is, traitors to the established "occupation" regime. "

          Be simpler, admit that you made a reservation ... "Collaborators" are those who collaborated with the Second Reich, at least in Europe.
      2. +1
        6 September 2016 19: 25
        Everything is written correctly. And the "resistance" was more invented than it actually existed. Nazi resistance existed
        only in Serbia and Poland
  8. +6
    6 September 2016 09: 17
    The article is not one new, or at least a claim to the originality of old thoughts!
    Castrated phrases of a sample school textbook.
    I would tell you something more colorful about the "strange war":
    How the French lowered the tax on playing cards.
    How they filled the front with alcohol so that they had to urgently open detoxification centers in any significant garrison.
    How "propaganda teams" of a wide genre and composition were taken to the front - from opera singers and cabaret singers to circus clowns.
    As actual brothels actually appeared on the front lines.
    As the French newspapers were full of messages like "our valiant troops occupied an important fold of the terrain" and funny - "the battle for the forester's hut."
    The Germans dropped leaflets so much that they directly stated that they were provided with toilet paper for years to come and complained about its stiffness.
    Any kind of variety.

    But the photo is interesting, real, without staging gloss.
    Front - calculation MG-34. Something I just do not see the second tube under the spare barrel (or it is under the first). In theory, he was supposed to carry the second number.
    The general stuntedness of "true Aryans" is striking, apparently the post-war years and reparations were not easy for the Germans, and there was a reason to go first to the west and then to the east. It was not just that Hitler received such support from Deutsche Folk.
    1. 0
      6 September 2016 23: 09
      ] Front - calculation MG-34. Something I just do not see the second tube under the spare barrel (or it is under the first). In theory, he was supposed to carry the second number.
      One tube carries the second number and the third in the photo is soldier apparently carries a second tube behind
    2. 0
      6 September 2016 23: 19
      the tube of the second, 6 and 8 carry boxes
      France 40
  9. +3
    6 September 2016 09: 22
    Soviet civilization?)))))) Loud ... Is this a pseudo-religious state formation founded by Jews, with values ​​absolutely alien and destructive for a Russian person, to call it a civilization? In which the Russian people were destroyed and replaced by the false name "Soviet"! And this is the first "civilization" that collapsed not because of the pressure of strong enemies, but because it was led to hamburgers with cola and Emmanuel's boobs, and the most bizarre - to used jeans ... And call it civilization ?!
    1. +2
      6 September 2016 09: 31
      Paphos is impressive, but you, dear, did not confuse the headings of the articles?
    2. +11
      6 September 2016 10: 10
      Ek you like it snags from the words "Soviet civilization".

      So she was still on planet Earth. And so it left its noticeable mark in history. Including and the fact that modern Russia lives for the most part on the achievements of Soviet civilization. In contrast to the fact that a quarter of a century after the formation of the USSR, Soviet civilization rose from a backward peasant to become a leading world power, able to defeat the best army in the world, for which all of Europe worked. And, in addition, over the same quarter of a century, a country that survived a terrible war managed to restore the economy, and the first European country canceled food cards on its territory.

      But, it is useless to explain it to you. In your anti-Sovietism / Russophobia, you do not see beyond your own nose. So the words "Soviet civilization" are just getting you.

      PS: And that it fell apart, or rather it was betrayed and sold, it is not yet evening. By the way, I can remind you of something else from Russian history. For example, the fact that the 300-year-old Russian Imeria could not stand the blow of the WWII and fell apart in less than 3 years, and the Soviet Union lasted 70 years in the ring of enemies in the conditions of the permanent Cold War (not counting the hot World War II).
      1. +2
        6 September 2016 15: 27
        Russophobia?)))) Replace Russian with Soviet - is this not Russophobia ?! There is a Russian civilization undergoing different conditions and changing the names Russia-Russia-USSR and new Russia, and not some kind of Soviet pseudo-civilization based on pseudo-religious values.
        And the resources of the USSR did not restore the economy would be absurd. Plus, the traditional sacrifice of Russian people.
        And talking about betrayed or sold is stupid, you can sell or betray in some kind of situation, and in order for people to sell for a naked ass on the TV screen and trick, then it needs to be brought to this for more than a decade! This is exactly what the "Soviet civilization" did. In order for the country to collapse, there is little betrayal of certain persons, the state system is too complex. The reversal took place in all spheres of government and, above all, in the heads.
      2. +2
        6 September 2016 19: 32
        : And that it fell apart, or rather it was betrayed and sold, it is not yet evening. By the way, I can remind you of something else from Russian history. For example, the fact that the 300-year-old Russian Imeria could not withstand the blow of the WWI and fell apart in less than 3 years, and the Soviet Union lasted 70 years in the ring of enemies in the conditions of the permanent Cold War (not counting the hot World War II).
        The Soviet system was not viable and lasted for such a considerable time only at the expense of resources, human and natural, wealth accumulated by previous generations, which were spent thoughtlessly
        and couldn’t use it up. But the resources still ran out. First of all, ideology fell apart. Here the USSR collapsed. What kind of state is this, which is always in the ring of enemies? Who brought the country to this situation? The empire is reborn. Three color flag, Transfiguration Regiment, churches, royal crosses ....
  10. +2
    6 September 2016 09: 34
    The French, Germans, British, and all other Europeans had been preparing for WWII for a long time, and when the leader was determined, the peoples of Europe began to unite the calls * to march east *. The resistance of the governments was nominal and more from the restrained pride. The fact that the British fought against Hitler the British themselves perceived as a misunderstanding, it took a lot of efforts of propagandists to break such sentiments. Today, Europeans are trying to try on the role of * the winners of Nazism *, it turns out frankly cynical, so they are trying so far through various kinds of decisions and consideration, and in the future, legislatively, to establish themselves as winners. Perhaps soon we will see the struggle for the place of the main winner of the Germans. The main dispute so far between the Americans and the British, but recently the Poles have claimed the main winners and demand gratitude for the fact that their grandfathers did not join Hitler, otherwise ...
    1. +1
      6 September 2016 19: 46
      The fact that the British fought against Hitler, the British themselves perceived as a misunderstanding,

      Well, these are just your fantasies.

      From Churchill’s speech of May 13, 1940: “We are facing a severe test. We have many long months of struggle and suffering. You ask me, what is our political course? I will answer: to wage war on the sea, land and in the air, with all the power and strength that God gives us; wage war against the monstrous tyranny that surpasses any human crime. Here is our course. You ask, what is our goal? I can answer in one word: victory, victory at all costs, victory, despite all the horror, victory, no matter how long and difficult the path may be; because without victory there will be no life. "
  11. +1
    6 September 2016 09: 42
    Quote: Nikkola Mac
    Something I just do not see the second tube under the spare barrel (or it is under the first). In theory, he was supposed to carry the second number.

    The tube from the third infantryman behind the photographer sticks out under his left hand. Photo of the initial period of the war, as the head machine gunner and several soldiers in a column with an anti-pressure cape mounted regularly on the chest.
    1. 0
      6 September 2016 10: 21
      Is very similar.
      In general, the guys are great - and they took the tube and scattered boxes with cartridges.
      And I think we did it ourselves, without the participation of the non-commissioned officer.
  12. +1
    6 September 2016 09: 59
    Intelligence about the events of the "Strange War"

  13. +3
    6 September 2016 10: 04
    "The Germans saw in France the main enemy in the coalition of the Western powers and counted
    that the defeat of the French army, the largest force that was in Western Europe,
    will lead to the establishment of German hegemony in Europe
    and will force England to become Germany's junior partner "

    So they acted.

    And then a long following passage of completely opposite content:

    "At first, hiding behind a campaign of anti-Bolshevism and anti-Sovietism, and
    receiving financial and economic assistance from large Western capital
    (especially English and American), the German elite planned
    seize the resources of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe ... "

    These are Samsonov’s usual fantasies. Big business - English and American -
    were not so naive as to allow German capital to take over everything.
    The Americans built in the USSR in the first five-year plan more than 500 large factories,
    including ALL of the military-industrial complex. The entire aviation industry, all "tractor and tank" factories
    etc..
    1. +6
      6 September 2016 10: 17
      The Americans built in the USSR in the first five-year plan more than 500 large factories,
      including ALL of the military-industrial complex. The entire aviation industry, all "tractor and tank" factories


      First, the "design" does not mean "build". The factories were built on their own.
      Second, the what kind of "charity" is this, when only Soviet orders did not allow American campaigns to go bankrupt? This is not charity, but a business, for which they paid with hard currency - gold, and even more with grain (google for the "golden blockade")
      Third, and why would amers build something there in Russia? Why all this was not built under the king? And why was the country backward under the tsar - but more than 90 percent peasant? Why is RI the only country participating in the WWI that did not have its own tanks?
      1. +2
        6 September 2016 11: 33
        Thirdly, why would Amers build something there in Russia? Why all this was not built under the king? And why was the country backward under the tsar - but more than 90 percent peasant? Why is RI the only country participating in the WWI that did not have its own tanks?
        The rate of economic growth under the king was the highest in the world of Roads, for example, were built more annually than under Stalin. And yet, I will tell you a secret. Russia entered the war with rich and strong allies. Unlike the USSR, and these allies really fought, the Western Front was the main one. The production of tanks in Germany was limited to two dozen, consider that it was not. There were none in Italy or Austria.
        1. 0
          6 September 2016 14: 10
          Not everything was so simple with the roads ...
          from 1900 to 1904, 6 km were introduced. d., from 380 to 1905 - 1909, and in 5260-1910. - only 1913km.
          A report to the Seventh Congress of Trade and Industry Representatives indicated that the growth of the railway network has recently been "slower, even than in any other period of the last forty years, despite the fact that the country's industrial development, on the contrary, is now making much faster"

          In particular, the slowdown in the construction of railroads led to the biggest mistake in pre-war planning - when, due to the inability to use cash vehicles to ensure the concentration of forces in the Warsaw SD, the decision to destroy this SD was made to approach the enemy’s borders.
          As a result, the army lost the main fortified line, built since the time of Nicholas I - of the entire chain of fortified areas and forts on the left, right and rear of Warsaw, there was only a lone fortress Novogeorgievsk. It’s good that there wasn’t enough money and resources for the complete destruction of the SD - and by the beginning of the war in the same Ivangorod there were still some fortifications.
          It was supposed to abolish the Warsaw fortified area in the person of the Warsaw and Zegrza fortresses that formed it, leaving only the third fortress Novogeorgievsk, which could be reorganized into a vast modern fortress that could remain isolated in the initial period of the war until the armies completed their concentration and deployment along the line of the improved fortress Kovna, the newly built fortress of Grodno and the upgraded Brest-Litovsk. Ivangorod was supposed to be abolished, and it was decided to develop and improve the small fortress Osovets.
          1. 0
            6 September 2016 23: 03
            from 1900 to 1904 was introduced 6 380 km g. d., from 1905 to 1909, - 5260, and in 1910 — 1913. - only 3570km


            Strange numbers .....

            From the "Report of the Council of Congresses of Industry and Trade Representatives on the Fundamental Improvement of the Work of Railway and Water Transport, Highways in Connection with the Increased Requirements of the National Economy of Russia. May 9, 1913":

            "In 1904, the total network reached 55 versts, having increased over the five years (from 614 to 1900) by 9 052 versts (i.e. 9550 km rather than 6380 km), of which in European Russia - 7 144 versts and in Asian - 1 908 versts. In 1909, the network amounted to 62 422 versts (excluding Sino-Eastern railways - 1 617 versts), having increased over 5 years by 6 808 versts
      2. +2
        6 September 2016 12: 10
        "The factories were built on their own" ////

        Designed, does not mean - made drawings.
        Ships with a completely dismantled factory came from America: like Lego.
        Including support columns, roof trusses, etc. All machines and mechanisms.
        All screws, nuts, cables, bulbs. And the full technology of an aircraft engine or tractor. Under the guidance of American experts, they assembled
        buildings, installation of machine tools, cranes, and began production.
        Therefore, in fact, all these tractors went and the planes did not crash.
        1. 0
          6 September 2016 23: 27
          .
          Designed, doesn’t mean - made drawings


          The Americans both designed the plants, and tied them to local conditions, and organized the construction.

          Good Jew Albert Kahn american industrial architect in 1928, he was invited to the USSR to participate in industrialization. He arrived in Moscow with 25 engineers, and within two years he prepared more 4000 specialists (although the USSR was supposed to provide them and the draftsmen under the Contract), between the 1929 and 1932 for years he designed and organized the construction of 571 facilities (!). These are primarily tractor (tank) factories in Stalingrad, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov. Automobile factories in Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod. Forging shops in Chelyabinsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Stalingrad. Machine-tool plants in Kaluga, Novosibirsk, Verkhnyaya Salda. Rolling mill in Moscow; foundries in Chelyabinsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk, Sormovo, Stalingrad; machine shops in Chelyabinsk, Lyubertsy, Podolsk, Stalingrad, Sverdlovsk; steel workshops and rolling mills in Kamenskoye (from 1936 Dneprodzerzhinsk), Kolomna, Kuznetsk, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Verkhniy Tagil, Sormovo; Bearing Plant in Moscow, Volkhov Aluminum Plant; Ural asbestos factory and many others ....
    2. +5
      6 September 2016 10: 22
      Yes, "Americans are light elves." For just building, for investment, with the formation of an LLC, JSC? Well no. They JUST BOUGHT from them. They paid in gold, grain. They got theirs. And naturally the factories were considered SOVIET, STATE. So why would they want to keep? A problem. But in Western Europe, TNCs remained with American and British capital, which, even after entering the war, the United States continued to supply Hitler with various products of dual and purely military use.
      1. +1
        6 September 2016 11: 21
        But in Western Europe there remained TNCs with American and British capital, which, even after entering the war, the United States continued to supply Hitler with various dual-use and purely military products.

        Well, at the first opportunity, all these plants were bombed.
        By the 43rd year, they had created powerful strategic aviation and literally everything was bombed in the West of Germany. In the air there were more than 1000 bombers at a time and a fire storm was walking through the cities. Certain firms, in secret from the US government, could of course collaborate with Hitler. But after all
        Millions of Soviet citizens fought on the side of the Nazis, especially on the Western Front, against the Anglo-Americans.
        1. +2
          6 September 2016 12: 06
          Yes, not "individual firms", but companies that are almost among the world's top ten. And during the bombing, in the article it is, significant industrial areas were not touched by aviation.
        2. 0
          6 September 2016 12: 31
          But after all, millions of Soviet citizens fought on the side of the Nazis

          What is the syllable, solzhenitsyn 2 ... not? Write right away: "most of all adults, including young children, dreamed ..."
          The Baltic tigers and the dvizii Galicia did not have so many people
          1. 0
            6 September 2016 20: 05
            Write right away: "most of all adults, including young children, dreamed ..."

            This is just an answer to the claim that Anglo-Americans
            purposefully collaborated with the Nazis during the war
            That is, the Germans are bombing Britain, and the British capitalists
            Hitler sells tungsten, motors and rubber ....
            These are the fabrications of Soviet propagandists in the era of
            wild cold war. This is the Soviet Union sold to Germany. To Hitler to finish off Churchill. You have beguiled a scumbag.
            There were enough people there. Which are for Hitler.
            One UNA-UNSO quarter of a million.
            And as many Baltic states. I’ll dwell on this so as not to upset you.
            1. 0
              6 September 2016 23: 26
              In order to finish off Churchill with Hitler’s hands

              Hitler was an ardent Anglophile, which he did not hide, and everyone knew this from the mid-20s. Read Mein Kampf already. The hope for an alliance with the Brita was to the last.
              But the USSR did not fight in any way. Not false, not natural.

              We have respected the non-aggression pact. And what other allied treaties did the USSR have, so that it "harnessed" to fight, send its soldiers to death? For whom?
            2. +2
              6 September 2016 23: 48
              You deny the obvious. There are a number of multinational corporations; headquarters were in the states that supplied the Germans with military equipment. Even when the United States entered the war. I can give examples, amounts. This is not propaganda, it is FACTS whether you want it or not.
        3. 0
          7 September 2016 19: 33
          "Millions of Soviet citizens fought on the side of the Nazis, especially on the Western Front, against the Anglo-Americans." can you source? belay
    3. +2
      6 September 2016 10: 24
      Yes, there is such an opinion: the USSR at that time was not so much an ideological adversary for the Western countries as a market for which: some fought trying to "capture" it, others tried not to let others in, hiding behind ideological slogans. The USSR became uninteresting to them only when it raised its industry, "got on its feet" and became a geopolitical, economic "competitor." Then it was decided to "bring down the competitor." "Nothing personal just business".
  14. +4
    6 September 2016 10: 43
    How long can you repeat the asses of Soviet historiography? Is it really so difficult to take normal modern research (for example, Talbot Imlay "Facing the Second World War: Strategy, Politics, and Economics in Britain and France 1938-1940") and find out that the Anglo-French did not want any agreement with Hitler (except restoration of the pre-war status quo), and the planning of operations against the USSR was carried out within the framework of the ongoing war with Germany?

    The USSR was perceived as a non-belligerent ally of Germany (this was not officially announced, of course), which is a supplier of important strategic materials for the latter. Accordingly, the bombing of the same Baku, as the planners thought, would cause internal problems in the Soviet Union and interruptions in German oil supplies. Similarly, the occupation of Narvik was being prepared in order to suppress the supply of Swedish iron ore (it was exported to Germany through this port). The Soviet-Finnish war was seen as a good cover for this, but with its end the preparations did not end.

    Yugoslavia and Turkey (as well as Greece and, if possible, Romania) were to become the basis for the Balkan anti-German front, which was to replace the rapidly collapsed Eastern Front (represented by Poland) in order to compensate for Germany’s land advantage.

    By the way, the allies also had plans to destroy the Romanian oil industry. Another plan under consideration was the blocking of shipping on the Danube. In the meantime, during the war, the Allies simply tried to buy all the oil exported by Romania, although that was not what they succeeded in, especially after the signing of a trade agreement between Romania and Germany in January 1940.
    1. +3
      6 September 2016 11: 08
      Paul
      Those. you say that neither the French nor the British had a pact (agreement) with Germany? Those. only the Soviet Union entered into an agreement with the Germans * on non-aggression * and immediately became * an ally *?
      But what about the fact that in Finland, the French and British, together with the Germans, armed Manergem?
      But what about the fact that the Americans traded with the Nazis? And the fact that this trade was conducted across the Atlantic, i.e. within the reach of the English fleet?
  15. +1
    6 September 2016 11: 11
    What fake war?
    The British fought. The fleet fought. The British still had a fleet, so he fought. But the USSR did not fight in any way. Not false, not natural. And he missed his chance when Hitler hit France.
    But in addition, he also supplied Germany with raw materials. Oil, bread, cotton, ore .....
    1. +4
      6 September 2016 11: 47
      Well, on the one hand, the Soviet Union could understand:
      1) There was nothing for us to love either France (which set out to starve the Soviet Republic in the 20s. Remember what Foch and Deladier said about this? That's it ..). Neither England, which, together with France in the 20s, banned not only loans, but also all trade with Russia, even for gold.
      2) Fresh was the "diplomatic" insult inflicted on us by Britain and France when we tried to conclude an allied treaty with these countries against Germany, which forced us to conclude such an agreement, but with Germany
      3) we could not stab Germany in the back, bound by a non-aggression pact
      4) we were not ready for war - there was a rearmament of everything and everything.
    2. +3
      6 September 2016 11: 56
      The fig was the USSR to fight Germany in the 1939-1941 years?
      A non-aggression pact has been signed; war has not yet been declared.
      Defend Britain and France, which flatly refused to enter into a military alliance with the USSR - for what?
      Protect the population of European countries, which completely fell under the German occupiers?
      The only country that waged real defensive actions against Germany was Britain. Did it turn to the USSR for military help until the 22 of June 1941?

      In the 1938 year, the USSR was ready to provide direct military support to Czechoslovakia against then still lonely Germany, but Britain, France and Poland did not allow the Soviet Union to do so.
      What, did we have to start fighting with Germany, Britain, France and Poland, having at that time an army of police type?

      The completion of mobilization measures in the economy and the armed forces of the USSR for the war against a united Europe was planned for the middle of the 1942 year — why was there a hurry?
      1. +2
        6 September 2016 12: 32
        there was no need to fight, and many in the German General Staff understood this.
        But since the age of 26, the British have been actively working on Hitler, suggesting to him that his Reich is the last bastion of Europe against the Red Bolshevik hordes.
    3. +2
      6 September 2016 13: 54
      The USSR, unlike Great Britain and France, did not have agreements with Poland. The USSR did not sign to defend it.
      For some have done everything possible to disrupt negotiations on the "alliance in defense of Poland" - starting with the sending of a delegation that does not have the authority to sign any documents. And in parallel, this someone unofficially informed Germany that all negotiations with the USSR serve only one purpose - pressure on the Reich - and no agreements will be concluded with the USSR.

      So from 1939 to 1941, the USSR was neutral. And he could easily deliver anything and to anyone. Like the same Swedes, Turks and Swiss.

      As for the missed chance ... were you advised to familiarize yourself with the Act of transfer of NPOs from Voroshilov Tymoshenko? Here is a detailed description of the state of complete failure of the Red Army exactly at the time of your planned strike.
      And there is also a "Meeting at the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of the commanding staff to collect experience of military operations against Finland on April 14-17.04.1940, XNUMX":
      Today, in the Kiev Military District, there are 14 tanks in four tank brigades. The war sold them apart, tank brigades scattered. I must bluntly say that if mobilization is going on, our KOVO brigades are not ready. The tanks of these brigades are now returning from the Leningrad Military District.
      © PAVLOV (commander of the 2nd rank, chief of ABTU of the Red Army)
      Here you have the situation with BTV in one of the two largest border districts on the ZTVD in April 1940.
      1. +1
        6 September 2016 20: 35
        So from 1939 to 1941, the USSR was neutral. And he could easily deliver anything and to anyone. Like the same Swedes, Turks and Swiss.

        As for the missed chance ... were you advised to familiarize yourself with the Act of transfer of NPOs from Voroshilov Tymoshenko? Here is a detailed description of the state of complete failure of the Red Army exactly at the time of your planned strike.
        And then we could not forgive the Swedes and Spaniards
        that they drove Hitler the whole war of ore, drove pineapples and oil by trains.
        Double standards however.
        On the other hand, while Hitler and his entire army were translating
        the spirit in France hit East Germany and could well
        to be successful. All the same, tanks and planes have done
        quite a lot. Koenigsberg most likely reached b.
        1. +2
          7 September 2016 09: 52
          Spain we could not forgive Franco regime, which our supporters lost in Civil. As for deliveries to the Reich, it is precisely Spain that no one accuses — the main accusations go towards those who delivered through Spain, being at war with the Reich.

          As for the Soviet strike against Germany during the war in France - can you guarantee that this strike will not lead to the unification of the belligerent countries of Europe against the "threat of Bolshevism"? Especially taking into account the negotiations of 1939, the Strange War, the Allies planning strikes against the USSR and the close relations of the highest political circles of Europe?
          "Europe is in danger! Commissars are coming! Germany is the last bastion on the path of Bolshevism!"
          European wars are not get up, the country is huge, and the traditional occupation of gentlemen. And in them, former opponents calmly become allies.

          From a military point of view, this blow will be a complete disaster. Let me remind you that in order to pick up Finland alone, the USSR had to pretty pinch the forces of its Western districts, and even transfer half of the tank plants to round-the-clock work - in order to somehow maintain the size of the tank fleet.
          And what happened during the Polish campaign - when in greenhouse conditions the BTVs managed to drive roads in their own rear on the march and get up without fuel. To supply the tanks with fuel and raking traffic jams, I had to attract a whole Marshal!
          Well, for a snack:
          The People’s Commissariat does not have an accurately established actual strength of the Red Army at the time of admission. Accounting personnel due to the fault of the Main Directorate of the Red Army is in an extremely neglected state.
          (...)
          In connection with the war and a significant redeployed troops mobilization plan violated. The People’s Commissariat of Defense has no new mobilization plan.
          Regulatory mobilization activities are not completed by development.
          (...)
          By the time the People’s Commissariat of Defense was received, the army had a significant lack of staff, especially in the infantry, reaching 21% of the nominal strength as of May 1, 1940.
          It was established that annual graduations from military schools did not provide the necessary reserves for the growth of the army and the formation of reserves.
          The quality of the training of command personnel is low, especially in the platoon-company unit, in which up to 68% have only short-term 6-month training for the course of junior lieutenant.
          (...)
          The main shortcomings in the training of troops are:

          1) The low training of the middle command staff in the company link is a platoon and the especially weak training of the junior command staff.
          2) Weak tactical training in all types of combat and reconnaissance, especially small units.
          3) Poor practical field training of troops and their inability to perform what is required in a combat situation.
          4) The extremely weak training of the combat arms on the battlefield: the infantry cannot cling to and break away from the fire shaft, the artillery can not support the tanks, the aviation can not interact with the ground troops.
          5) The troops are not trained in skiing.
          6) The use of camouflage worked out poorly.
          7) The troops have not worked out fire control.
          8) The troops are not trained in attacking fortified areas, building and overcoming barriers and forcing rivers.
          (...)
          a) issues of organization, armament and training of infantry are not given due attention;
          b) the infantry is trained weaker than all other branches of the army;
          c) the accumulation of prepared stock of infantry is not enough;
          d) the infantry command staff is poorly prepared and has a large shortage;
          e) infantry weapons lag behind modern combat requirements and are not provided with mortars and machine guns.
          (...)
          The organization of intelligence is one of the weakest areas in the work of the People’s Commissariat of Defense. There is no organized intelligence and systematic receipt of data on foreign armies.
          (...)
          The air defense of troops and guarded points is in a state of complete neglect. The current state of air defense does not meet modern requirements.
          The armament of active anti-aircraft defense systems was not given sufficient attention. The supply of anti-aircraft artillery control devices is completely insufficient. Armed rangefinders do not provide firing at altitudes of more than 6,2 km, and the POISO devices are imperfect.
  16. +2
    6 September 2016 12: 28
    Quote: Hupfri
    But in addition, he also supplied Germany with raw materials. Oil, bread, cotton, ore .....


    Before saying so frantically that he supplied the USSR, it would not be bad to look at a trade and credit agreement with Germany.
    Do not forget that we (Germany) had a non-aggression pact.
    What we supplied (USSR) and what Germany supplied.
    And only after that it is possible to draw conclusions to whom this trade was beneficial.
    1. +1
      6 September 2016 20: 55
      And only after that it is possible to draw conclusions to whom this trade was beneficial

      I do not argue. Profitable.
      We are talking about a strange war. The British fought languidly, but we generally traded. Had a gesheft
      1. 0
        7 September 2016 19: 40
        Actually, the USSR had a treaty on not attack!
  17. 0
    6 September 2016 12: 30
    still it’s a pity that the Britons outplayed our diplomacy and made an enemy from a potential geopolitical ally and again pushed their foreheads together, as in the First World War (although in 1914 the sovereign's mistakes largely affected)
    1. +1
      6 September 2016 20: 49
      Still, it’s a pity that the Britons outplayed our diplomacy and made an enemy from a potential geopolitical ally and again pushed their foreheads,

      That's it ... yes, you have Hitler an ally and friend, no words. There are no words.
      Geopolitical ally of people was stained in gas chambers, and sewed lampshades from leather
      1. +1
        7 September 2016 19: 47
        Already during the Nuremberg trials, the former president of the Imperial Bank, Hjalmar Schacht, said in an interview with an American lawyer: “If you want to indict industrialists who helped rearm Germany, then you must indict yourself. You will be required to indict the Americans. The Opel automobile plant, for example, did not produce anything other than military products. Your General Motors owned this plant. And what did it do during the war hi
      2. 0
        14 October 2016 15: 08
        he sewed, personally? It's not about Hitler, but about Germany as a whole
  18. +2
    6 September 2016 12: 53
    Quote: Nikkola Mac
    The article is not one new, or at least a claim to the originality of old thoughts!

    ------------------------------
    He also expected more from the article than the conclusions in the absence of factual material. Everything that the author came to was understandable before him. I would like the aspects of German aggression to be disclosed on factual material, rather than copyright speculations and shortcomings.
  19. +3
    6 September 2016 12: 59
    Quote: hort
    still it’s a pity that the British beat our diplomacy and made the enemy of a potential geopolitical ally

    ---------------------------------
    Are you talking about Germany adit? And who financed Hitler in your opinion? Or have autobahns and aircraft plants out of thin air? This is with millions of inflation and unemployment in the Weimar Republic in Reich, economic well-being suddenly established with a solid Reichsmark. All this was done with British and American money. The Bank of England until recently controlled a German bank. Yes, and the flight of Hess to Britain is still classified as the death of Hess in Spandau.
  20. +3
    6 September 2016 19: 44
    Quote: Vasily50
    Paul
    Those. You say that neither the French nor the British had a pact (agreement) with Germany?


    With secret apps? No, they didn’t. Moreover, the rank of any agreements with Germany was limited to a declaration, not a treaty.

    Those. only the Soviet Union concluded an agreement with the Germans * on non-aggression * and immediately became * an ally *?
    This opinion is not mine, but dignitaries in France and England. They thought and wrote like that.

    But what about the fact that in Finland, the French and British, together with the Germans, armed Manergem?
    Not together, but on their own. The Germans did not render any open help to the Finns.

    But what about the fact that Americans traded with the Nazis?
    Why can't a neutral country trade with the Nazis?

    And the fact that this trade was conducted across the Atlantic, i.e. within the reach of the English fleet?
    Generally speaking, there was no direct trade, American ships did not come to German ports. Blockade, all things.
  21. +1
    6 September 2016 22: 07
    It's a pity you can't put a minus on the article. The author read carefully the alliance treaties between Poland, England and France. There are clearly marked terms for entering the war and action plans of the parties! What or by whom should the French attack the Germans ?! Poland did not hold out even 2 weeks (after 17 days of the war the government fled the country), in such a timeframe it is impossible to mobilize and strategically deploy troops! The Polish elite by their own mediocrity led their country to complete collapse. Now, when Poland was gone, and a strange war began, since neither France nor England, the conflict with the Reich now became meaningless and even dangerous, because they calmly waited for honorable conditions for an armistice, being completely confident in their defenses. The only thing that they did not take into account was that the French army was combat-ready only on paper, and the top in Paris was quite worthy of the Poles, by the way, it was the French who taught the Polish army to fight. Hence, the defeat of France, unexpected for contemporaries, followed, after which the British had to tacitly negotiate with Hitler on his terms. Yes, Hitler outplayed England and France, they "nourished" him as their puppet against the USSR, and he chose the role of leader for himself and got it, but you cannot blame the allies for the defeat and tragedy of pre-war Poland - the Polish elite itself led their country to the military collapse.
  22. +1
    7 September 2016 01: 07
    It would be necessary to create a new section on the site. Something like a madman's note.
    1. 0
      7 September 2016 19: 50
      better heading "French madmen"! as always, very reasoned! laughing
  23. +1
    7 September 2016 08: 37
    I looked at the arguments and passions on the forum - who just doesn’t talk about what, what arguments do not lead.
    And everyone somehow forgot about the main reasons for the first and second world wars.
    And the reason is simple and old as the world - the resources.
    Germany, Italy, Japan were very late for the division of the colonies.
    Germany and Italy - because of their fragmentation into small formations. Only in the last third of the 19th century Bismarck and Emmanuel II managed to unite them into single states.
    Japan - because of the country's closed policy under total control of the Tokugawa Shogunate, removed only after the Meiji restoration.
    The united countries quickly became involved in the industrial revolution, but immediately found that all the “warm” places under the sun were already taken. And no one intends to share them.
    Even Portugal and Belgium had small colonies, and countries such as France and Great Britain owned huge colonial empires, from where they drew resources with both hands and sold their goods.
    And for the "young states" there was only one way of development - the military redistribution of these lands.
    And the main reasons for the “strange war” are precisely in the well-fed complacency of France and England.
    They were satisfied with the existing order of things, they did not need new acquisitions, they did not want to get into any wars and conflicts. The meat grinder of the First World War was still fresh in memory and no one wanted a repeat.
    Yes, it would be nice to push Germany and the USSR.
    It would be nice if they exhausted themselves in this confrontation, and then we would skim all the "cream". And if at the same time it is necessary to throw a few fat pieces to Hitler, to hell with him, if only he did not touch us.
    And this whole situation led both politicians and the people to a sharp narrowing of their horizons and the primitivization of thinking.
    The impression is that everyone thought that Stalin and Hitler were two cretins who would race to drag chestnuts out of the fire for "Western democracies".
    And the apotheosis of this limitation was the delight in England and France over the conclusion of the Munich Agreement.
    When Chamberlain waved at the airport a piece of paper with the text of the agreement, which at that moment was only suitable for the toilet, and argued that this was a guarantee of a long-term peace.
    But times are changing!
    And whoever does not understand this, or does not want to understand, goes into the abyss.
    And when Churchill said his famous phrase “England was given a choice - either war or dishonor. She chose dishonor, and soon she will receive a war, ”few people paid attention to him - everyone was too smart and self-confident.
    But when the war began, and especially when the abyss opened in France in 1940, then the messiah began to be made of it.
    1. 0
      7 September 2016 10: 32
      Chamberlain's delight was caused by something completely different. He needed peace. At any cost. At least for a year.
      Because the concept of "10 years without war", proposed at one time by one very fond of cigars and cognac, the Chancellor of the Treasury and adopted as a strategy for the development of the British armed forces in the early 20s, brought these forces by the end of the 30s to almost complete incapacity. As a result, Chamberlain, who had previously acted as a "dove of peace", was forced to become a "hawk" shortly after taking office, sharply increasing military spending. But the military-industrial complex and the Armed Forces are utterly inertial - and Britain needed time to restore its former power. So Chamberlain had to win it.
      The first half of WWII Britain survived precisely on Chamberlain orders. This is especially evident in the example of the fleet - you can see the years of approval of projects and the laying of ships.

      Well, Winnie then did everything to transfer the arrows to his predecessor. But he did not want anyone to remember the author of that ill-fated strategy that put Britain on the brink of defeat.
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        7 September 2016 12: 39
        In fact, in the 20s, the United States was a more real threat to British interests.
        When the Washington Naval Agreement received almost the same tonnage for warships as England.
        And to ensure their own influence in the Pacific Ocean, the British were forced to terminate the 1902 Anglo-Japanese alliance.
        And only the growing threat of Japanese expansion did not allow the United States to go further in the "strip" of England in the Pacific Ocean. But during WWII, when England was squeezed into a corner, then the United States and raped its closest ally is not childish.
        And accordingly, in the 20s one could afford, having established parity with the US in the Navy "to live without war." Almost the entire German Navy rusted near Jutland.
        In general, I would agree with you if the Germans secretly stamped all their weapons and trained specialists for the 20s and early 30s, and at 38 they would suddenly put them on display — that would be formidable. But they came to power in 1933, and the first bell for the Versailles system specifically rang in 36 - the militarization of the Rhine region.
        And at 33, and it was necessary to start and threaten and rearm, and maybe fight (also MacDonald and Baldwin).
        But even in 1938 nothing had been decided yet - they would have agreed with Stalin, would have put pressure on France with Poland, stood up for Czechoslovakia and Hitler would have braked (he already fell into prostration on September 3).
        But in full complacency Chamberlain and Daladier understood the consequences of Munich, the mind, apparently, was not enough.
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    9 September 2016 09: 32
    As for Poland specifically, it wasn’t so white and fluffy at that period of history. I bring to your attention the following link:

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    1 October 2016 15: 25
    In the late 1930s, Renault, very close to Hitler in wealthy France, promoted Hitler's idea of ​​the "people's car" or "Volkswagen". Consequently, the industrial circles of France were confident that France would soon be included in the Third Reich and were preparing for this.
    After the war, de Gaulle put Renault in jail, where he was gradually beaten to death. Thus, preparations for the Second World War proceeded systematically according to the world plan, and since today WWII is like a minor episode in the "Holocaust," the "Holocaust" of Western European Jewry, who did not want to emigrate to Palestine, was organized by the same circles.
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    12 July 2017 11: 34
    And these fool-psheks hope for NATO !!! Right now! Just throw, as in the 1939 year!

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