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Minsk-1. Two years of accusations towards Russia

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Let me remind you that 5 September 2014 of the year in Minsk signed the first document aimed at ending the civil war in Ukraine.




It should also be recalled that the signing of this document should be directly linked to the first, but not the last, defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Ilovaisk boiler. Let's just say, Ilovaisk became a kind of impetus to the beginning of the negotiation process. But the process "did not take off," so I had to still push near Donetsk and in Debaltseve. But you can't do anything about it.

And now two years have passed. All this time, requirements for Russia regularly appear in foreign media at all levels. Run the Minsk agreements! Must comply with the Minsk Agreement! Why are the Minsk agreements not being implemented by Russia?

Not only the media, but also statesmen of rather high ranks constantly cry out about this. From US officials to Poroshenko and Merkel. And what are we, that is, Russia?

We stubbornly deny that we are a party to this process. The conflict should be settled by the authorities of Ukraine and the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. The logic in this, of course, is, but for some reason the reproaches do not become less.

I had the strong impression that the accusers either did not read the original documents at all, or they had long forgotten what was written in them. And the first is more likely. I've read and read more than once. So this opinion is quite justified. But as they say, where we are, and where disassembly in the Bronx ...

But let's dare to figure it out.

The first document, signed in Minsk on September 5 2014, has a rather long title:

“The protocol on the results of the consultations of the Tripartite Contact Group on joint steps aimed at implementing the Peace Plan of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and initiatives of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin”.

Long and incomprehensible. "Peace Plan" Poroshenko, 146% guilty for the death of the civilian population of Donbass - sorry, macabre! But the international protocol and not so eaten if desired.

Although if you understand that Poroshenko developed his “peace plan” under the influence of the same Ilovaisk and constant pressure from Putin, it is all the less clear. All right, understand.

This was followed by another document, also signed in Minsk, but already 12 February 2015.

"A set of measures for the implementation of the Minsk agreements" is meant.

It turns out that this document refers to certain agreements concluded earlier. Where, by whom, when? Perhaps this refers to the Protocol of 5 of September and the Memorandum of 19 of September of 2014, but there is not a word in the text of the “Set of measures ...”. Moreover, in both documents the dates of their signing are not even indicated. Check who is interested.

We witnessed these complex and lengthy negotiations that preceded the signing of these documents in Minsk. However, even the nervousness and complexity of understanding the process is not an excuse for legal absurdities. But here it is obvious, if not special sabotage, then, at a minimum, the incompetence of the constituent documents.

You can not go through the content. From the introduction of the Protocol, it follows that

“The tripartite contact group composed of representatives of Ukraine, the Russian Federation and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reached agreement on the need to take the next steps.”

And then there are the very 12 points around which everything is spinning.

Each item begins with the words “provide”, “implement”, “accept”, “continue”. But in none (correct, again, who read, if it is not so) does not say who should do all this.

And really, who?

Meanwhile, the parties to the conflict are not named at all.

How to understand the 1 clause, where it says: “Ensure immediate bilateral termination weapons"? Who exactly should stop shooting?

But if you once again read the name of the document, which refers to the "peaceful" plan of Poroshenko and Putin's initiative, then it is quite possible to assume that Ukraine and Russia are at war. And then, in fact, they should stop the fire.

And do not care for everyone at the time that Russia did not open it ... Brad? Yes, nonsense. But this is only flowers.

Paragraph 10 of the Protocol: "Remove illegal armed groups, military equipment, as well as militants and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine."

Normal point? Full Read and understand. But, reading already the second time, you begin to understand that it is also unclear who is illegal here.

If from the point of view of international law, then only the Armed Forces of Ukraine are legitimate, and there were no Russian troops there. "Ihtamnet", not "ihtamnet", not found. Point.

Then it can be considered illegal as independent punitive battalions, as well as detachments of self-defense of the DPR and the LPR. And where, one wonders, should they be withdrawn from the territory of Ukraine - to Russia or to one of the western OSCE countries? The Poles will be happy to host the "Azov" or "Tornado" ...

Ok, with illegal formations understandable. Go ahead. Look carefully, the enumeration of the necessary measures is simply a comma. Thus, it turns out that all military equipment should be withdrawn from the territory of Ukraine. Whose? APU also output? Again where, to Poland or Russia? Logically, in Romania, they are the first in Europe for military scrap metal ...

And so you can get to any of the 12 items.

However, a few days later, 19 of September 2014, another document was signed in Minsk - “Memorandum on the implementation of the Protocol provisions ...”, where they finally outlined the line of delimitation of the conflict zone in Ukraine and specified the weapons withdrawal parameters. Does anyone remember that memorandum? Moreover, he did not affect the text of the Agreements in any way.

In general, of course, I will not sign for professional lawyers, but personally I have had a persistent opinion for more than a year that no one was going to carry out this nonsense. Because such absurdities in the text, because such persons and signed.

By the way, a few words about the signatories. All Minsk documents were signed by the same persons. This is Ambassador Heidi Tagliavini - the OSCE representative, the second President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, the Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov, as well as Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky.

And there is not without strangeness.

If the first three were called participants of the Trilateral Contact Group, then the status of Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky is not specified at all. Here is just Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky. Love, complain and at the same time think about what they are here for. And in general, it is not clear, did they undertake any obligations, or did they simply sign that they were familiar with the documents?

Dear readers, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that in all Minsk documents the Russian Federation, except for participation in the Tripartite Contact Group and the title of the Protocol, is mentioned only as a borderline state with Ukraine. And Russian President Putin is the initiator of this whole Minsk sabbath.

But it is precisely the name of the Protocol, together with the vague content of this document, that allows Russia's enemies to say that our country is a party to the conflict and does not fulfill the conditions of the Minsk agreements. Who reads, he knows that the entire text of that Protocol fit on one standard sheet of paper. And this is the case when brevity is by no means the sister of talent, but a sign of his absence.

"Drain" of Russian diplomacy? Perhaps so. But what could be expected from the newly-minted "diplomat" who missed the coup d'état in Ukraine, and before that brought to the pen the Russian Pension Fund? This is me about Zurabov.

Two years have passed, however. For two years we have been poked in the face with this Minsk Protocol and the Minsk Agreements, they are imposing sanctions and everything else.

In general, was there a boy?

Is it possible to call a document what we poke? Just a piece of paper, on which there are signatures of people. And not the first persons of the states, not even the second ones. Not even the fifties.

And, accordingly, not a single living soul and President of Ukraine Poroshenko were going to implement these Agreements. The two years that have passed since the moment of signing are clear proof of this.

Say, was the same Minsk-2. Yes, it was. Just right after Debalcevo. So what? Something has changed?

Summary: as people who understand what they are talking about, today we should start to forget about Minks-1 and Minsk-2. And for us and those who lead us.

Is it worth waiting for Minsk-3? I see no meaning. Moreover, he would prefer something else. For example, Popasnaya or Uglegorsk with the subsequent change of flags in Kiev.

Though there will be something to blame and what to poke.
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  1. izya top
    izya top 6 September 2016 05: 47
    +2
    and how many boilers and bowlers do you need to calm down giblets and corpse?
    1. venaya
      venaya 6 September 2016 06: 20
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      and how many boilers and bowlers do you need to calm down giblets and corpse?

      But this question is interesting. In order for these two "figures" to calm down the boilers and pots in what places, countries and even continents do all these boilers and pots need to be arranged? I am afraid that this question is eternal and can never be solved. These two by themselves almost do not decide anything, they have practically no freedom of action, so, they are simple puppets.
      1. WKS
        WKS 6 September 2016 11: 24
        +3
        Russia should generally get out of this so-called Norman format and stand aside. Let Oland with Merkel and Poroshenko scoop up this pile of crap, maybe even the citizens of Ukraine will be attracted by Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko, if they certainly respond. How much can you cover the thick ass of this chocolate upstart with Russian participation in the negotiations.
        1. Flyer_64
          Flyer_64 8 September 2016 20: 15
          0
          I agree one hundred percent. But there is but Without us they will introduce UKRMS from NATO, and the end of the LPR and DPR, as it was in Kosovo. And the trouble of Minsk is 1, 2. There is no clear position, and therefore blur in diplomacy.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 September 2016 07: 43
      +9
      Is it worth waiting for Minsk-3? I see no meaning. Moreover, he would prefer something else. For example, Popasnaya or Uglegorsk with the subsequent change of flags in Kiev.

      No more Minsk, no 1, no 2, no 3, and so on, there was no need to stop the troops of Novorossia in September 2014, maybe Minsk-2 would not be needed then, and now this body-bag will drag on for a very long time. unfortunately request
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 6 September 2016 08: 29
        +2
        "Is it possible to call something that is poked at us as a document? Just a piece of paper with people's signatures on it. Moreover, not the first persons of states, not even the second. Not even the fifties."
        I remember, when Yanukovych was, some ministers of foreign affairs, some states, concocted a document with their signatures under it. And what, did it stop the coup in Ukraine? If the junta decided to kill, then more than one document drawn up in accordance with all international rules will not stop her. This document was worked out by Putin hastily - he himself said that he threw it on his knee in an airplane. The main goal at that moment was to stop unnecessary bloodshed among one people. Is it bad or poor, but this agreement gives rise to talk, not to fight - although the junta is struggling to do this to no avail.
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 7 September 2016 10: 03
        0
        vovanpain Yesterday, 07:43 ↑
        Is it worth waiting for Minsk-3? I see no meaning. Moreover, he would prefer something else. For example, Popasnaya or Uglegorsk with the subsequent change of flags in Kiev.
        No more Minsk, no 1, no 2, no 3, and so on, there was no need to stop the troops of Novorossia in September 2014, maybe Minsk-2 would not be needed then, and now this body-bag will drag on for a very long time. unfortunately request

        In-in. This is what Clinton is waiting for us to enter Ukraine with righteous anger, put things in order there, and get involved in real hostilities with the citizens of the state that we really invaded. Where is the brain? All these stories about Minsk1 and 2 will last for a long time, and not because someone (Ukraine or Russia) does not understand it, have not read it, cannot fulfill it, but because the real puppeteers (the "war party" of the United States) do not have peace there needed, and even contraindicated. On the coals of the civil war in Ukraine, points are earned in the Clinton election campaign (and a lot of greenery was thrown into it and they hope for an appropriate return on investment), and the ground is being prepared for squeezing Russia out of all trading floors. All this is a way to strangle a competitor. After all, the figures of the US national debt are already scary for them to watch. You have to make money on something. Poroshenko here is just a talking head without his own thoughts. And no matter what kind of solitaire from the clauses of the agreement we would add, no one will do it anyway, because this contradicts the needs of the United States. It's the same in Syria ...
      3. Andrey Gladkikh
        Andrey Gladkikh 8 September 2016 22: 45
        0
        Maybe it was not necessary to stop the offensive. I do not know. They say that Mariupol was practically empty of both the Armed Forces and the Terbats. But then I would have to "spend finances" to support all the liberated territories. And the finances of the Russian Federation are not unlimited. Indeed, considerable funds are being spent even to support certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. They will object to me - our people are there, is it possible to compare the lives and destinies of people with finances. First of all, the Russian leadership is responsible for the normal life of Russian citizens, and the Russian leadership, obviously, did not consider it possible to jeopardize the existing standard of living of its citizens. In addition, we do not know all the international “maps” at that time (including the situation in Syria) and forecasts in case of the capture of Mariupol and other settlements. I know one thing that I really wanted then, and Mariupol, and Slavyansk, and Kramatorsk were released.
    3. kuban
      kuban 6 September 2016 09: 00
      +1
      One but roomy!
    4. Su24
      Su24 6 September 2016 11: 01
      +4
      Two years of betrayal of Donbass and the Russian Spring.
      1. megavolt823
        megavolt823 6 September 2016 12: 52
        +1
        Russian spring could end in a nuclear winter. Donetsk and Lugansk must be returned to Ukraine. and using these territories to turn heads. how to use the west of Ukraine.
  2. Nmpanfil
    Nmpanfil 6 September 2016 06: 16
    +5
    The whole trouble with such documents and agreements is that the absence of those responsible for the implementation gives rise to a free interpretation and distortion of any initiatives. In this case, it happened. Only the question arises, where was our respected minister Lavrov, after all, he always refers to this "document" .. Huh?
    1. midivan
      midivan 6 September 2016 06: 55
      +3
      Well now, as they say, you can approach this whole thing with a cold head and find a bunch of mistakes. But let's remember that period. Shelling of civilians in Donbass, on TV children's death and sheer grief, despite the boilers, there were big losses of the people, our people, and here advised someone hysteria, and someone through tears asked-Putin, send troops! I think you can leave aside about the deployment of troops, everyone understands whatever it threatens, so in my opinion then, no matter what politician or lawyer you are, you would sign any less acceptable agreement, well, they poke us, tolerantly, and where you can laugh , sanctions (we need them smile ) so this is a poke compared to what I had to see on TV - the manna from heaven. And neither Lavrov, nor Putin, nor any lawyer should be blamed, they are people all the same.
  3. Altona
    Altona 6 September 2016 06: 49
    +4
    If the capture of Kiev by the DPR army and the LPR people's militia is by the way, then legally it will again be an armed coup, no matter how strange it sounds. And it will again be a "military junta", only the reverse of the Nazi one. Because new elections will have to be held again. This is how everything will be presented by the Western press.
  4. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 September 2016 07: 32
    +1
    All these pieces of paper cannot be called documents in principle. There is a protocol which all states of the world adhere to, but here there is a feeling that they deliberately blinded a piece of paper that was obviously inoperative even on a point.
  5. CONTROL
    CONTROL 6 September 2016 07: 35
    +2
    Yes. There are a lot of mistakes!
    The calculation was - on a reasonable understanding of the situation and the goodwill of the contracting parties. Some "signers" showed both reason and goodwill .... and some - not!
    ... to name the names and positions of "some"? ... or not?
  6. Altona
    Altona 6 September 2016 07: 45
    +1
    Quote: avg-mgn
    All these pieces of paper cannot be called documents in principle. There is a protocol which all states of the world adhere to, but here there is a feeling that they deliberately blinded a piece of paper that was obviously inoperative even on a point.

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    Because in fact, the signatories from Ukraine and Lao PDR are legally incomprehensible who. Therefore, such a document was born. In general, it looks like similar Middle East documents, between the Syrian government and the "armed opposition", for example. That is, it is not clear who, "disagreeing with the government" and holding a number of territories, signed a document with the authorities.
  7. CONTROL
    CONTROL 6 September 2016 07: 49
    +2
    Quote: NMPanfil
    The whole trouble with such documents and agreements is that the absence of those responsible for the implementation gives rise to a free interpretation and distortion of any initiatives. In this case, it happened. Only the question arises, where was our respected minister Lavrov, after all, he always refers to this "document" .. Huh?

    Yes, everything is simple - it did not happen to drag Russia into the war with Ukraine!
    Therefore, Russia initiated negotiations to end the armed conflict in Ukraine - the civil war ... in the hope and hopes for the further development of negotiation relations! A svidomye rested ...
    In the documents of the Minsk agreements intentionally did not speak out observing obligations и obligations of the initiating party; supposedly - then ... then ... afterwards ... agree! Now the main thing is to stop shooting and kill! and who is the main one - which in essence was the content of the Minsk agreements - did not fulfill? Russia, Europe - tried to reconcile quarreling and fighting neighbors ...
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    Calculation and hope for goodwill, which in the factory is dumb?! ...
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 6 September 2016 07: 55
    0
    ..Yes .... a clever document ... according to the signatories ... no one owes anything .. But there are a lot of responsibilities ... therefore he is not respected ... And no one recognized anyone .. LDNR junta in Kiev , the junta of Kiev LDNR..A Minsk-3 ... if it will .. then they must sign .. the current president of Ukraine and the leaders of LDNR and so should be indicated in the document .. It should be noted .. Zurabov .. filled up Minsk-1 and the second ... And it seems to me that Russia was forced to become a party to Minsk-3. Therefore, a new ambassador was not accepted .. an attempt to carry out terrorist attacks .. on the territory of Russia from the side of Ukraine ..
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 September 2016 08: 10
    0
    Two years from empty to empty under the tacit approval of Germany and France. Okay, just that. Two years of constant reproaches to Russia from the West for not fulfilling something to which our country has no relation whatsoever. The fact that Minsk-3 will not be, in my opinion, Poroshenko is clear, but he doesn’t perceive it yet.
  10. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 6 September 2016 10: 05
    +1
    And what does Russia have to do with it? Russia and Bilorus are the initiators of the Minsk agreements, they are there in p.i.nd.do.s.si.i. and the lair of the Kiev junta was completely numb.
  11. Machete
    Machete 6 September 2016 10: 29
    +1
    It seems that until the APU is driven to Kiev, nothing will change.
  12. savage1976
    savage1976 6 September 2016 12: 50
    +5
    And where did you get the idea that Russia needed this paper to be implemented?
    0. For many years, Russia in dill has no significance, either political, economic or legal, the ball is ruled by America and Co. at our expense before the Maidan and at our own expense and economic and political after the Maidan.
    1. From sanctions there are more advantages of long-term than minuses of short-term.
    2. As they wrote in one of the previous articles, it is possible to overcome the Banderism virus only if the Bandera is self-suppressing in its dill. This is what we observe, rats quietly guzzle each other, alas, casualties among ordinary people can not do. It's a pity for people, but this is the price of millions (and even the entire planetary) of life.
    3. And who said that Ukraine generally needs dill? As for me, Russia needs the cessation of the existence of dill as a state once and for all and the gradual inclusion of its residues in Russia as subjects. As soon as dill ceases to exist as a subject of politics and the question of the Crimea will forever sink into oblivion .... There is no body, no matter ....
    So maybe these agreements are not so bad .... a.