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The newest 120-mm self-propelled artillery gun "Phlox"

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Since September 6, the Patriot park near Moscow receives visitors to the Army-2016 forum. The main purpose of this event is to demonstrate the latest domestic developments in the field of weapons and military equipment. In particular, several samples of modern technology this time presented the corporation "Uralvagonzavod." One of its most interesting developments, first demonstrated publicly, is a promising self-propelled artillery gun (CAO) "Phlox".


The existence of a promising CAO project called “Phlox” became known on August 30. On this day, the press service of the corporation "Uralvagonzavod" published a press release on the organization's participation in the upcoming exhibition "Army-2016". It was mentioned that more than fifty full-scale and mock-up samples of new systems, weapons and equipment will be shown at the exhibition site of the corporation. One of the exhibits, it was claimed, was to be the newest 120-mm self-propelled phlox artillery gun. Other details, however, were not reported.


General view of the car


The appearance of the self-propelled gun became known on the first day of autumn. On September 1, the State Secretary and Deputy General Director of the Uralvagonzavod Corporation, Alexey Zharich, on his page on the social network Facebook published several photos of the new development created by the specialists of the Central Research Institute Burevestnik. The posted pictures were jokingly called spy photos. On the same day, the Izvestia publication published excerpts from an interview with the director-general of the Petrel Research Institute (part of the Uralvagonzavod Corporation) Georgy Zakamennykh, who revealed some of the technical features of the new project.

Published a few days ago, information about the project of CJSC "Phlox" is not yet able to fully disclose all the features of the look of promising development. Nevertheless, the available amount of information allows us to consider the newest domestic combat vehicle, identify some of its features, as well as make certain assessments.

As follows from the existing photos, the project "Phlox" uses both existing and new components and assemblies. In particular, it is proposed to mount all the main components and armament of the vehicle on the basis of one of the existing wheeled chassis. With this approach, a successful combination of basic characteristics and ease of production can be ensured. Ultimately, this can have a noticeable impact on the commercial potential of the development.

The three-axle all-wheel drive chassis of the Ural-VV armored car is used as the basis for the IJSC Phlox. In its original form, the Ural-VV is an armored car designed for the transport of personnel or certain cargoes. The car is built on the bonnet layout and, as recent projects show, can be equipped with special equipment of the desired type. Under the hood of the car is a diesel engine YMZ-6565 270 horsepower. The transmission provides torque transmission to all six drive wheels.

Artillery self-propelled gun gets a cockpit, which is a shortened and revised version of the armored hull of the base machine "Ural-VV". This unit is a product of reduced length, providing double-row placement of the calculation. On the sides there are four doors necessary for access inside. Cabin receives armored glass. Glazing of doors is additionally equipped with loopholes. The cab hull characteristics have not yet been clarified, but there is reason to believe that the level of protection is similar to that of the base armored car. Recall, the Ural-BB car has 5 cab protection class with amplification up to 6 in some areas.

Behind the cockpit, after a short space, which is used to transport the spare wheel and accommodate some additional units, there are two blocks of targeted equipment. On the chassis frame, above the second axle, is placed the casing-box, designed to carry some payload. A characteristic feature of this unit is the sloping roof, due to the peculiarities of the artillery unit. On the front wall of the casing, there are fastenings to hold the gun barrel in the stowed position.


Self-propelled aft


In the aft part of the chassis frame, the project of the CJSC “Phlox” provides for the installation of a turntable on which the artillery unit is located. In the central part of the rectangular platform, there are mechanisms for fastening and vertical guidance of the weapon. On the sides of them are covers, designed to accommodate some additional equipment. As can be seen in the existing images, the artillery part of the self-propelled gun has the possibility of horizontal and vertical guidance within fairly wide sectors. Guidance is carried out using automated mechanisms with remote control.

The main information about the gun used in the new self-propelled gun was announced by the general director of the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" G. Zakamennykh. He said that a new artillery system was installed on the Phlox, partly based on existing units. According to ballistics and the shutter, the “Flox” gun is unified with the 2А80 system. At the same time, some new units were used. It is argued that with the help of new technical solutions, it was possible to increase the accuracy of shooting and reduce the load on the base chassis.

The gun has a barrel caliber 120 mm and is equipped with a combined semi-automatic shutter, the design of which is borrowed from an existing project. The project also provides recoil devices and fences. An important feature of the artillery part of the "Flox" is the use of automation that can monitor the position of the barrel. With its help, it is claimed that after each shot, it is possible to restore the previously established pickup, which has a positive effect on the accuracy and accuracy.

The ammunition of the self-propelled gun consists of 80 shots placed in several layouts. First of all it is proposed to use the so-called. operational styling that accommodates 28 shells. After this part of the ammunition is used up, the calculation may use ammunition from other stowages. Also, if necessary, it is possible to overload the ammunition from one stowage to another.

The types of ammunition proposed for use have not yet been clarified, but some assumptions can be made on this score. CJSC “Phlox” is equipped with a tool unified with the 2-80 system. Recall 120-mm gun 2А80 is used as part of self-propelled gun 2С31 "Vienna" and has a number of characteristic features. Due to some features of the design such a gun with a rifled barrel can be used as a howitzer-gun or mortar. Ammunition "Vienna" may include several types of shells, including controlled. It is also possible to use mortar mines of 120 caliber mm of any existing models, including foreign ones.

Taking into account the use of existing developments and the possible tactical niche proposed for CJSC Phlox, it can be assumed that in the case of a new project, it is again about the use of the original system with wide capabilities. If this is true, then the new self-propelled gun is able to use a variety of weapons with different characteristics. This feature greatly expands the range of combat missions.


Roof of the cockpit and combat module


All artillery systems must be controlled from a remote control installed in the cockpit. To control the operation of the system and the introduction of commands, it is proposed to use a unit incorporating a liquid-crystal monitor with a buttoned frame. Some other controls are also provided. Equipment for control of auxiliary armament is connected to the same console.

For self-defense and combat manpower or lightly armored equipment of the enemy, the crew of the Phlox self-propelled artillery gun must use a remote-controlled combat module. In preparation for the Army-2016 exhibition, the self-propelled gun prototype received a system with a Kord heavy machine gun. The module has systems for horizontal and vertical guidance, and is also equipped with mounts for the cartridge box and an optoelectronic unit. The module is connected to the control panel at the operator’s workplace. The crew member who manages the combat module has the ability to receive video from the optics of the module, as well as to fully control the operation of all mechanisms.

As an additional means of protection is proposed to use a set of smoke grenade launchers. These devices are mounted on the roof of the cabin in a fairly large number. Installation is carried out with a slight elevation angle. For setting the smoke screen in the front hemisphere it is proposed to use two sets of three grenade launchers. Two more of these sets are placed on the sides and are designed for firing forward and sideways. With the help of 12 smoke grenade launchers, the crew can carry out a disguise and it is relatively safe to escape from a collision with an enemy.

Another system designed to increase survivability in a combat situation is laser radiation detection equipment. Several units of such equipment are installed on the cab roof and, possibly, on some other units of the machine. The system of detection of laser irradiation allows you to timely notice the enemy preparing for the attack, and take the necessary measures.

To accommodate the crew on the march and during combat work is a protected cabin with a double row of seats. In front of her places are provided for the driver and gunner. Between them is placed a rack with some electronic equipment. The driver has a full set of controls to monitor the operation of all major chassis systems. The gunner, in turn, has a remote control artillery and machine gun armament. The rest of the crew are placed in the back row seats, behind the gunner and driver.

The Phlox project of self-propelled artillery guns has a number of characteristic features that are unusual for similar Russian-made equipment. Some of them, with certain reservations, even allow us to consider the Phlox project to be revolutionary new for Russian artillery systems. According to G. Zakamennykh, the placement of 120-mm artillery guns on the car chassis is a completely new solution for the domestic armed forces. In fact, this sample can be attributed to a completely new class of technology for our country. This new class allows you to significantly increase the mobility of artillery units. In addition, there are positive design features in the form of the maximum possible automation of the processes of preparing for firing and subsequent firing.


View of the gunner's workplace


It is already clear that the original concept, implemented in the framework of the project of the CJSC "Phlox", allows to provide a sufficiently high firepower and improve the efficiency of combat work in solving various tasks. Depending on the type of target and other factors, the calculation of self-propelled guns can use ammunition of one type or another, the most appropriate to the existing situation. Artillery shells similar to those used by other guns can be used to attack targets with direct fire or for shooting at low angles of elevation. In other cases, 120-mm mines can be used that can "cover" trenches or other specific targets.

In the case of the SAO 2C31 "Vienna" gun, combining the qualities of a mortar and howitzer cannon, it is possible to use several dozen ammunition for different purposes with different characteristics. The maximum firing range can reach 8-10 km. In addition, some foreign active-missiles are capable of hitting targets at ranges up to 15-17 km. It can be assumed that the existing unification of the existing and prospective artillery system ensures the preservation of the main shooting parameters.

Let's summarize the preliminary results. The proposed concept, embodied in the metal in the form of the first prototype of the CJSC "Phlox", has some positive features, and can also demonstrate certain advantages over other techniques of a more familiar appearance. The wheeled chassis should provide high mobility and speed of transfer to new positions, as well as facilitate and simplify the operation of equipment. Maximum automation of the main processes of preparation for shooting and firing, in turn, allows us to simplify and speed up the basic processes of combat work, positively affecting the overall efficiency, as well as affecting survivability.

The idea of ​​a weapon with advanced capabilities, combining the qualities of systems of several classes, has long been tested by practice and has interested the military. In addition, to date, this concept has been embodied in several projects self-propelled crawler. Now all the advantages of such tools are proposed to be combined with the positive features of the wheel chassis and modern control systems.

The result of the use of a number of interesting ideas and solutions not so long ago was the emergence of the Phlox self-propelled artillery gun. To date, the project has been brought to the construction of the sample, which in the next few days will have to be an exhibit of an exhibition of weapons and military equipment. In the future, work on the project should continue, which ultimately can lead to the emergence of contracts for the supply of promising technology to one or another customer, both domestic and foreign.

Domestic forces currently lack direct analogs of the Phlox CJSC, which have similar features, although there are several samples of tracked self-propelled guns with similar weapons. According to the results of tests and analysis of the possibilities, the new wheeled vehicle may suit the Russian military, which will result in the appearance of a contract for the supply of production vehicles. Also, the new development of the corporation "Uralvagonzavod" may be of interest to foreign customers. CJSC "Phlox" has a number of positive features, and also, apparently, does not differ in high cost. These features self-propelled guns may be of interest to foreign armies.

In the future, the Phlox self-propelled artillery gun can reach mass production in the interests of a particular customer. Nevertheless, such events should be expected no earlier than in a few months or even years. A matter of less distant perspective is the first public display of self-propelled guns. A platform for the “premiere” of promising development will be the Army-2016 forum. From 6 to 11 September, specialists and the general public will be able to familiarize themselves with the latest models of equipment and weapons of domestic development, including the IJSC “Phlox”.


On the materials of the sites:
http://uvz.ru/
https://facebook.com/alexey.zharich/
http://izvestia.ru/
http://bastion-opk.ru/
http://arms-expo.ru/
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  1. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 6 September 2016 06: 38
    +6
    Universal barrel 120 caliber wheeled.
    An ideal weapon for quick reaction forces.
    Especially good for BTGr on wheels.

    The old and solid NONA has long demanded modernization.
    Bonnet Ural - the best base among cars. Subsequently, something similar is needed on the basis of the Boomerang.
    An interesting phrase is "operational ammo rack for 28 rounds"))). Obviously not AZ, I will assume that for accelerated manual loading.
    It will be interesting to hear the opinion of specialists on Arte.
    Good luck.
    drinks
    1. seos
      seos 6 September 2016 08: 24
      +3
      Useless tachanka -
      1) 10 km combat range - easy to spot and cover
      2) huge dimensions - high visibility
      3) very high vulnerability due to weight and wheel drive
      4) in comparison with the NATO options it looks wretched - you won’t scare anyone with such a scribble

      If they put 152 mm drin firing at 50 - 70 km it would be a thing ... and so is the transfer of money.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 6 September 2016 08: 28
        +5
        If they put 152 mm drin firing at 50 - 70 km it would be a thing ... and so is the transfer of money.

        Not familiar with such mortars.
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 6 September 2016 08: 45
          0
          They wrote so much in the article, but I still did not understand anything, although I served in artillery!
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 6 September 2016 08: 56
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            They wrote so much in the article, but I still did not understand anything, although I served in artillery!

            What is there to understand? Most of the article is a description of the photograph.
        2. mgero
          mgero 6 September 2016 10: 11
          0
          And the D-20 gun was taken down 152mm
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 6 September 2016 10: 19
            0
            And the D-20 gun was taken down 152mm

            She couldn’t shoot with mortar mines.
          2. Bormanxnumx
            Bormanxnumx 6 September 2016 14: 24
            0
            For general development, look max. firing range D-20 - it is 24km. An active rocket at 30km flies. Not about 50-70 km. out of the question.
            1. seos
              seos 6 September 2016 19: 56
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              The Coalition has a range of 70 km; NATO is developing cannons that hit up to 120 km.
              And we are not talking about the installation of D20 or other outdated crackers. But the installation of this mortar in a new, modern project is a mockery - let them create a new weapon with significantly increased characteristics and create new ACS for it. Or they put this mortar on a light chassis of the "Tiger" and give it out as a cheap version of the self-propelled guns (such an option could be taken by the criterion of cost-effectiveness)
      2. venik
        venik 6 September 2016 08: 42
        +4
        seos
        If they put 152 mm drin firing at 50 - 70 km it would be a thing ... and so is the transfer of money.
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        Well, first of all, we have already installed it! Recently, a photo of a 4-axle KamAZ stuck in a traffic jam in the "Coalition" appeared in the networks !! (Perhaps and most likely experimental). It seems to me that somewhere even a photo has been preserved ...
        True, no specific information on this system came across. (Perhaps and most likely - an experimental version).

        As for the huge dimensions - well, you turned it down, my friend ... Have you ever seen "Mstu-S" live ?? I'll tell you this MONSTER !!! And this thing is almost the same size as the "Grad". Its size and vulnerability do not bother you! Works great in many countries and conflicts (in fact, try to find some where it is not used). And this is just a wonderful addition to it!
        1. seos
          seos 6 September 2016 12: 58
          +1
          The mortar itself is small enough - it could be put on an armored car of the "tiger" type - this would save this system from excessive visibility, with a reduction in ammunition naturally.

          Modern artillery is developing in the direction of increasing the range of combat, experimental models shoot already at 120 km. Moreover, the troops already have a "nona" on the armored personnel carrier chassis. It is too expensive to spend money on the development and production of a machine that does not have visible advantages over the "Nona", and again the army is following the path of disunification, how can all these types of equipment be repaired? In the union, they suffered with 3 tanks, and now they will suffer with dozens of different armored vehicles.

          But the coalition on an inexpensive wheeled chassis is a really good idea.
      3. Aqela
        Aqela 8 September 2016 08: 40
        +5
        I am touched by the tendency to phallometry among artillery systems. laughing request
        Here, for a start, answer this question: what a hell of a gun shooting at such distances (70-120 km), if you require the use of all kinds of active-rocket projectiles that explosives carry with a member of Gulkin and have accuracy at the level of "bah- bang - by "? fool
        There is a MLRS with a comparable range, so they immediately cover the ogoshoshenki which site! There are tactical missiles that can bang a local target.
        And what does a 152-155 mm shell do? what Produce "harassing fire"? No, well, if you scare all the chickens in the target area or hope that, as in Donetsk, the grandmother and the dog go away - then yes!
        wassat So for this you do not need to do heavy self-propelled guns with multi-meter trunks. fellow Cope Su-25, if small or cluster bombs hang ... yes
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 8 September 2016 11: 46
          +2
          There is a MLRS with a comparable range, so they immediately cover the ogoshoshenki which site! There are tactical missiles that can bang a local target.

          So Khrushchev also thought in due time. As soon as he went even further, he and aviation, together with the barrel artillery, transferred to Cinderella. And then corrected this bias. I found echoes of this event when in the 1972 year I entered the Voenmekh. On the barrel artillery scored 5 groups (absolute leadership). So fill the gap in the training of specialists.
          And it is good that you do not have the capabilities of Khrushchev. Here is the economy, damn it.
  2. Moore
    Moore 6 September 2016 06: 48
    +4
    Gunners on the VO, tell me - what is the ideology of the use of this weapon?
    And then everything seems somehow reckless to me: a stuck overloaded Urals on a forest road - where all sorts of Acacia, Carnations and other Msta skip with a whistle ...
    And also a picture of the enemy covering the position (no, not a direct hit) of the same Msta with its tracks and armor and the "Phlox" with its wheels and bulletproof armor.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 6 September 2016 07: 25
      +18
      Quote: Moore
      Gunners on the VO, tell me - what is the ideology of the use of this weapon?
      And then everything seems somehow reckless to me: a stuck overloaded Urals on a forest road - where all sorts of Acacia, Carnations and other Msta skip with a whistle ...
      And also a picture of the enemy covering the position (no, not a direct hit) of the same Msta with its tracks and armor and the "Phlox" with its wheels and bulletproof armor.

      Good day, Andrey.
      I will express on Tactics.
      Each theater has its own equipment and weapons.
      For example:
      Remember when, after the well-known events in Ukraine, we abruptly held "exercises" on the western border?
      There were just wheeled BTGrs on the BTR-80 (82).
      Who accompanied them from Arta? That's right, NONA-ICS and bushed trunks. Because there’s nothing more ... The harp will not be in time for the wheels, and you don’t drive much along the federal highways.
      And in this form it is practically a "towed barrel", it is simply located "on top" of the tractor))), plus it is digitized and with a control panel (the gunner has a Cheburashka).
      Simple.
      CHEAP.
      Effectively.

      And for other TVDs - a different base.
      1. venik
        venik 6 September 2016 09: 46
        +6
        Aleks tv
        "And in this form it is practically a" towed trunk ""
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        That's right - only the deployment / collapse time is an order of magnitude less! By the way - at the cost of this gizmo should occupy a middle position between cheap towed and expensive self-propelled tracked artillery!
    2. venik
      venik 6 September 2016 09: 40
      +3
      Moore Today, 06:48
      And then everything seems somehow reckless to me: a stuck overloaded Urals on a forest road - where all sorts of Acacia, Carnations and other Msta skip with a whistle ...
      -----
      Have you ever seen what the highways turn into, along which the Grads "whistle" (really "whistle") (and the "Phlox" seems to have similar mass-dimensional and high-speed x-ki), after how on these roads at a speed of 40 km / h will the brigade "Mstey (or Mstov?)", "Akatsiy" or even "Carnation" crawl? After that, no one will pass on such a road "with a whistle"!
      Conclusion: For each theater and type of military operations - its own technique (somewhere tracked, but somewhere wheeled is better)!
      1. Moore
        Moore 7 September 2016 11: 18
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        Try reading what I wrote again.
        I affirm that the permeability of tracked MSTA, Acacia, etc. is much higher than the Urals.
        And here the passage of the "Grad" after the tracked vehicles?
    3. Vladimir Postnikov
      Vladimir Postnikov 6 September 2016 12: 39
      +6
      Information about anything, but not the most important: Due to what is the absorption of the inertia of the recoil of the gun? There are no retractable stops on the ground in the photo. Even if we assume that there is such a retractable emphasis under the car, the kinematics of the rollback to the ground looks bad (to put it mildly). There is also no muzzle brake.
      "It is said that with the help of new technical solutions, it was possible to increase the accuracy of fire and reduce the load on the base chassis." "An important feature of the Phlox artillery unit is the use of automation capable of monitoring the position of the barrel. With its help, it is said, after each shot, it is possible to restore the previously established pickup, which has a positive effect on the accuracy and accuracy."
      This is "affirmed" both times and is the key word to this "miracle".
      Installing the barrel after each shot is nothing new in itself. Here the question is only in two sensors of pointing angles. How are they resolved? What is the speed of sensors and actuators? Some questions.
      I would venture to suggest that this is exactly what was meant by "new technical solutions". All hopes to sell this miracle can only be with reference to Kitolova-2 and Gran. All other solutions have nothing to do with "increased accuracy".
      There is a folding platform on the back of the platform. At 99% for loaders. Manual loading. Operational styling - this is on a rotating gun platform. The remaining shots are behind the cockpit. Chargers will work like on a stage, constantly risking falling off the platform, sometimes crawling from one laying to another.
      Recent innovations are impressive. Either the mortar will be manually loaded into the UAZ, then Nona in the Urals. One gets the impression that someone is sawing well.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 6 September 2016 18: 35
        +1
        I looked again. It looks like a fake car. She didn't shoot, and she doesn't shoot. She was blinded for the exhibition in a couple of weeks. Shooting is not expected at this exhibition. If there is interest in it, then it will be molded further. And if not, then it will go down in history with mythical characteristics "asserted", which are not confirmed by anything. For a year now, I also proposed at this forum to create SVPs for barreled artillery (mainly for towed artillery) similar to the SVP-24 "Hermes".
        In this system, some of what I proposed was declared, but very vague. Control from the cockpit with gun guidance, automatic installation and control of the barrel. But, only I offered for the Donbass militias "Sani" on the GAZ-34039 with minimal changes to the existing structures, but with a full-fledged SVP. Here, the SVP is only hints. Everything else is props.
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 6 September 2016 23: 21
      0
      Seems to be the Airborne. They need relatively light self-propelled guns with ample ammunition and 120-mm is their usual caliber.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 7 September 2016 00: 57
        +2
        Seems to be the Airborne. They need relatively light self-propelled guns with ample ammunition and 120-mm is their usual caliber.

        Key word "It seems". Airborne Forces are designed to operate behind enemy lines. This machine is a high (!) Stage, on which (at least) two people (loaders) will perform. And this is behind enemy lines? Do you think the airborne forces need this "samovar" there?
        A similar machine (and not this dummy) is needed for fire support from closed positions (!). Mobility at least somehow justifies its weak security. The flight of a mine or shell lasts about a minute. To make a short salvo and to change position (if necessary, then repeat) is the task of such machines. For paratroopers, special machines are needed, it is inappropriate to save here, they should act behind enemy lines.
    5. bk316
      bk316 7 September 2016 19: 28
      +5
      Although I am an artilleryman, I’m also confused.
      What do we have:
      1. The range is not enough 10-12 km, this is, in my opinion, a risk zone for the battery. (I served on hyacinth).
      2. Charging is clearly manual; places for loaders on the platform seem to be very inconvenient.
      3. Where is the pallet, where are the stops? Well, if 2C5 jumps, then this one will just jump.
      4. The machine is healthy, how to mask it? Again 2C5 digs itself. 2A36, the gun unhooked, not so noticeable.
      5. It will ride well on the roads, and it will sit down, and again 2A36 can be unhooked and pulled out by swinging, but we managed to jack it on a pallet, then put something in and the gun itself pulled out.

      In general, the replacement of the towed gun is not very successful. Considering how many towed trunks we have on conservation, it looks like a cut.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 7 September 2016 23: 51
        +1
        So I think so that we have a huge number of towed guns in storage depots. There are thousands of howitzers D-30 and M-30, mortars. Why store them? Yes, they can still be used if you equip them with automation tools and an SVP system. SVP and automation tools will significantly increase accuracy (and therefore reduce ammunition consumption) and leave the guns alone with the loaders. Not good news, but something. And here? No bed with openers, no outriggers, no thrust plate. Will jump on car springs and tires like a hell on springs.
        In short, it is very similar to a props in order to study the demand of a potential buyer.
        Or cut. And yet it’s a sin not to seize the opportunity: Rogozin is a journalist by profession, Putin and Medvedev are lawyers, Shoigu is a builder. So there appeared the Sled on the Patriot (and this is not a patriot on the sleigh), so Phlox blossomed with a sweetheart.
  3. Yak28
    Yak28 6 September 2016 07: 09
    +1
    I always believed that guns were put on trucks in third world countries where there is no money for decent equipment. Maybe, of course, I am mistaken and (CAO) Phlox is a necessary thing demanded in a modern theater of military operations, the opinions of an artillery professional are interesting
    1. venik
      venik 6 September 2016 08: 49
      +3
      Yak28 Today, 07:09 AM New
      I have always believed that guns are put on trucks in third world countries where there is no money for decent equipment.
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      Well, if you consider the poor countries of the Third World, for example Sweden, France and Finland, then YES !!!
      In fact, such systems have long been in use (especially in countries with a developed road network). By the way, there were those in service in the Soviet Army. Yes Yes!!! Don't be surprised - Czech self-propelled guns "Dana" (there were really few of them).
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 6 September 2016 10: 34
        +2
        and also armed with armored trains, about how. but this is for a developed railway network. laughing
        1. family tree
          family tree 6 September 2016 12: 20
          +1
          They are still there
  4. Moore
    Moore 6 September 2016 07: 57
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Who accompanied them from Arta? That's right, NONA-ICS and bushed trunks. Because there’s nothing more ... The harp will not be in time for the wheels, and you don’t drive much along the federal highways.
    .

    Respected Aleks tv , thanks for the detailed answer.
    There are no questions regarding mobility. What about security?
    You can't bury this "Phlox" in the ground like "NONU" or "Rapier", do you? Does the principle "Hit and Run" turn out? Well, or the use against an enemy not equipped with counter-battery radars and other submarines?
    I like Yak28, hitherto also believed that wheeled tanks and self-propelled guns (French, for example) drive Papuan devices. Not?
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 6 September 2016 08: 12
      +4
      Quote: Moore
      I like Yak28, hitherto also believed that wheeled tanks and self-propelled guns (French, for example) drive Papuan devices. Not?

      Personally, for me, armor-piercing, only gusli can be better than gusli)))
      :-) :-) :-)
      But there are no identical TVDs.
      Let's wait for the opinion of art, they know better)))
      :-)
      1. family tree
        family tree 6 September 2016 08: 28
        +1
        Lexey, I didn’t notice something outriggers on the installation, but I’m afraid to dump all the return on the chassis from the counter-battery, and the kirdyk suspension. Yes, finally, it’s not serious back there what chtoli layout what
        1. venik
          venik 6 September 2016 09: 00
          +2
          perepilka Today, 08:28 ↑ New


          Lexey, I didn’t notice something outriggers on the installation, but I’m afraid of all the kickback on the chassis, from the counter-battery to dump the kirdyk on the suspension
          ---------
          Doesn't it bother you that outriggers are absent on the wheeled "NONA-SVK"? But the system has long been tested and is in service! This time!
          The second - in the article it is mentioned that constructive solutions are used to reduce the load on the chassis.
          Third - and is it not dumb to waste time on raising outriggers when you have to get away from the "counter battery"?
          1. family tree
            family tree 6 September 2016 10: 58
            0
            But nothing in between the bester is one thing, but behind, and already on the console of the truck, another.
            And what for to remove them, if it is impatient, removed from the clamps and even let them swirl until they retract
    2. Lekov L
      Lekov L 6 September 2016 08: 23
      +2
      I, like Yak28, hitherto also believed that the wheeled tanks and self-propelled guns (French, for example) are Papuan devices to drive. Not?

      I think so in the TK warriors and wrote:
      there were Papuans near the border, asking for a twig to drive wink
      And you think about the export potential of the machine - maybe the exhibition paint is not for nothing chosen for it?
      Anyone interested and ..
      And yet: I read somewhere about running in the concept of abandoning towed artillery.
      It seems all self-propelled and this is an attempt to check.
      Arguably, but has the right to be considered. Maybe not right.
      Sincerely ...
  5. Fastenkov
    Fastenkov 6 September 2016 08: 48
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    The Finns, it seems, are armed. Shot - left. Although 120 mm ...... in the case it will be seen.
    1. Vz.58
      Vz.58 6 September 2016 09: 15
      +3
      Modern Finnish mortars AMOS on wheels, on the Patria AMV shoot at a distance of over 10 km. In addition, they are double-barreled.
  6. uskrabut
    uskrabut 6 September 2016 10: 31
    +2
    It seems that this is a model or concept, but not a working model. On a scope too questions. If only to quickly drive up and plug the hole before the approach of something serious.
  7. Boozer
    Boozer 6 September 2016 11: 12
    0
    It was written beautifully and a lot, although TTX would have sufficed me personally. What just doesn’t. So it’s not interesting ...
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 September 2016 11: 49
    0
    Replacement 120mm mortar SANI + KamAZ 4x4
  9. Varaga
    Varaga 6 September 2016 12: 55
    +2
    I look at her ("Phlox") and cannot get rid of the assumption that the "main theater of operations" of this CAO is the Middle East. And it's not about coloring, as many will probably think: 1. Wheelbase - simplicity and cheapness, undemanding to soils and mobility. 2. The weapon - again, simplicity and versatility in the use of ammunition, unification with existing systems, which means again the relative cheapness. 3. In light of all of the above - ease of learning, which does not require global retraining.
  10. Bormanxnumx
    Bormanxnumx 6 September 2016 22: 06
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    [b] seos,
    The Coalition has a range of 70km

    This range has been achieved by a cunning experimental projectile "operating on new physical principles (is it being launched with dark matter?)" Which, it is not known when, or ever, will enter service. The Coalition will send a simple active-rocket projectile for 50 km., which is similar to the "achievements" of the opponent in the person of the PzN2000.
  11. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 7 September 2016 20: 03
    0
    The machine is purely for export. It would be better if they made a self-propelled mortar based on the Boomerang armored personnel carrier, by analogy with the Finnish AMOS mortar.
  12. Dikson
    Dikson 10 September 2016 12: 32
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    I’m not an artilleryman at all, but tell me, it’s clear that the two lattices folding in the back are for loaders. Without fencing, at such a height, the installation is rotary, when shooting, should soldiers jump back and forth like monkeys, or hold teeth upstairs for air? And isn’t the chassis too big for such an instrument, because in fact - this platform can be rotated almost on a truck tractor
  13. Zubr
    Zubr 26 November 2016 22: 59
    +1
    [quote = seos] Useless tachanka -
    1) 10 km combat range - easy to spot and cover
    2) huge dimensions - high visibility
    3) very high vulnerability due to weight and wheel drive
    4) in comparison with the NATO options it looks wretched - you won’t scare anyone with such a scribble

    So it is designed to solve operational problems. Do not confuse, God's gift, with fried eggs ..