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Super missiles for the T-50 are already "on the way"

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Super missiles for the T-50 are already "on the way"The Sukhoi company, part of the United Aircraft Corporation, continues to test a promising front-line aviation complex aviation (PAK FA) T-50, they are connected to more and more experienced cars. In the near future, fifth-generation fighters will begin to enter the arsenal of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of Russia. At the same time, work is already underway on sixth generation combat aircraft capable of solving combat missions both with the pilot and independently.


To date, seven T-50 prototypes of the first stage have been built, participating in flight and ground tests. The works on the second preliminary stage (PI-2) and GSI-1 were performed in the amount planned for the 2015 year. One of the main issues that testers are now solving is the equipping of aircraft with modern weapons, in particular missiles, and their testing with a carrier aircraft.

The key issue in creating a new aircraft was precisely the development of a new set of equipment and weapons, which should ensure the qualitative superiority of the new machine. In this case, it is necessary not just to create several new missiles, we need a whole range of means that must be ready for adoption at the same time as the tests of the fighter itself are over.

On the new missiles that will be used on the T-50, working several companies of the military-industrial complex of the country. New missiles themselves must differ from the previous generation with increased range, high maneuverability, all-weather capability, and improved homing tools. In addition, they should not start from the external suspension, as in the current aircraft, but from the internal compartments. This led to a number of major changes.

“T-50 will receive six fundamentally new missiles by 2017, six more by 2020. Four samples of intra-body accommodation missiles have already been created and are being tested, ”said Boris Obnosov, director general of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation (KTRV), recently. Also, T-50 should receive three types of air-to-air missiles: RVV-MD (short range), SD (medium range), and DB (long range). The developer of the state-owned machine-building design bureau Vympel has become the developer of the new missiles. In total, the T-50 will receive more than 10 new types of aircraft weapons.

From the very beginning, the Ministry of Defense, in the ideology of the PAK FA, laid great universality, which our “competitor” lacks so much. American aircraft of the fifth generation only recently began to refine the shooting on the ground. The T-50 was immediately developed as a more versatile aircraft, its shock potential is much higher. For example, the PAK FA may apply weapon and with external suspension.

At the same time, work on hypersonic rocket systems for arming aircraft in Russia has been conducted for a long time, including within the framework of international cooperation. An example in this area is the BrahMos-M aircraft-based anti-ship missile project developed jointly by Russian and Indian enterprises. The BrahMos-M rocket will be able to reach speed in 3,5 Mach (in 3,5 times the speed of sound). Three such missiles will be able to carry a Su-30MKI multi-purpose fighter assembled in India under a Russian license, and a MiG-29К / KUB carrier-based fighter will carry two. The fifth-generation FGFA fighter, a joint Russian-Indian development based on the T-50, can also carry two such hypersonic missiles.

Russian and Indian specialists have already begun to develop a new, hypersonic BrahMos 2 rocket, it should reach speed in 7М. This type of missile is not in any country in the world. Laboratory tests of the rocket at speed 6,5М have already been carried out. That is, no longer theoretically, but practically a prototype of a hypersonic rocket and its engine already exists.

Russian developments in the field of hypersound seriously worry our Western partners, because in terms of their potential, hypersonic weapons are comparable to tactical nuclear weapons. Such weapons can easily overcome any missile defense. Hypersonic devices remain maneuverable and are capable of hitting targets around the world with an accuracy of up to several meters within an hour of the launch. At the same time, it is extremely difficult to track them: the flight takes place at lower altitudes than in the case of ballistic missiles, and ground-based radars are powerless.

In parallel with the large-scale work on the T-50, Russian designers determine the shape of the next generation aircraft. At the beginning of 2016, it was reported that the first designs for the sixth generation fighter were presented, which, apparently, could work in manned and unmanned versions. The new aircraft will have a number of fundamentally new qualities, for example, directed energy weapon systems, lasers. A new, more economical engine will also be needed, ensuring the achievement of hypersonic speeds rather than supersonic.

As for the immediate prospects for T-50, it is planned to obtain a preliminary opinion on the production of the installation batch of the PAK FA, and preparations are underway to conclude a state contract for the supply of production aircraft in 2017 – 2018.
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  1. Lapkonium
    Lapkonium 10 September 2016 15: 10
    +10
    Since when, excuse me, is 3.5M hypersound? 5-7M on BrahMos 2 - yes, but why does the author also rank the first BraMos among hypersonic missiles?
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 10 September 2016 15: 46
      +11
      Strange article. In our country, they can’t figure out the fifth generation fighters, for example, they can’t decide on the criteria that the "5" fighter must meet, and the article already says that "the first developments on the sixth generation fighter were presented." In my opinion, this is overkill.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 September 2016 16: 38
        +1
        It's simple - our Air Force will purchase a minimum of T 50 fighters and will wait for the sixth generation to keep up with the US Air Force.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 September 2016 18: 53
          +16
          Vadim237
          It's simple - our Air Force will purchase a minimum of T 50 fighters and will wait for the sixth generation to keep up with the US Air Force.

          Vadim, when will you leave your invented reality? You will even bother to look at how long PAK FA is being developed. To make it easier for you, take a look at how many MIG-29 and Su-27 are in service. It was adopted the same 29th in 1983, and this is already 33 years old! It has been upgraded to the MIG-35 and will continue to operate.
          So how much do you expect a 6th generation fighter if PAK FA will be used for at least 50 years?
          On the question of the United States ... are you sure that Lightning is a 5th generation fighter, given its speed characteristics and relatively mediocre maneuverability, as well as an arsenal?
          The raptor was no longer produced in 2011, and in fact, mattresses have no "fighter-fighter" in production. And there are still many issues on the F-35 that will not be resolved soon.
          1. mr.redpartizan
            mr.redpartizan 10 September 2016 19: 23
            +6
            MiG-29 and Su-27 have been serving for 30 years only because with the end of the Cold War, military spending has sharply decreased throughout the world. The competitor in the person of the USSR disappeared from the West, and they ceased to take Russia seriously. During the years of the Cold War, generations of aircraft changed every ten years. If it were not for the collapse of the USSR, then fifth-generation fighters would be put into production in the late 90s on both sides of the ocean.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 September 2016 19: 44
              +5
              mr.redpartizan
              MiG-29 and Su-27 have been serving for 30 years only because with the end of the Cold War, military spending has sharply decreased throughout the world.

              What are you saying ... ah, I'm sorry in the 90s there were fewer wars and any local military conflicts in the world? This tale is about the fact that the mattresses were stopped by the Raptors because the USSR had collapsed in order. They stopped production for a simple and obvious reason, the exorbitant price of this fighter.
              But at the same time, in the same 90s, the United States did not stop for a second upgrading either its ships with submarines, or its air defense and missile defense ...
              If it were not for the collapse of the USSR, then fifth-generation fighters would be put into production in the late 90s on both sides of the ocean.

              They were going to put them in a series of 80! years ... only at that time we, the mattresses, didn’t technologically grow to some requirements. And there were no clear requirements for new generation fighters at all. Look at MIG-1.44 and the same F-22 or F-23.
              Look at the current Raptor. One AFAR against 5! the PAK FA has the "longest arm" of the pangolin -AIM-120D (range 180 km), and the PAK FA will have R-37 (range 300 km) and, in the future, KS-172 (range 400 km).
              The flight range is also not in favor of the pangolin, as well as maneuverability, etc. ... and now the question is: Given all these differences with the pangolin in the technical characteristics, the PAK FA is really a 5th generation fighter, or is it a slightly more advanced fighter than the F- 22?
              1. okko077
                okko077 10 September 2016 21: 16
                0
                Nexus, do not pile together what is and what is promised, miles and miles, without taking into account the declared and real EPR ..... We are all on the forum, be careful .... do not force to recall old ratings ,,,,,
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 September 2016 21: 26
                  +6
                  okko077
                  Nexus, do not pile together what is and what is promised, miles and km, without taking into account the declared and real EPR ..... We are all on the forum, be careful .... does not make us recall the old ratings ,,,,,

                  Dear, and what did I pile in a heap? Does the article talk about the arsenal for PAK FA? I mentioned the long arm in the form of KS-172. And with regards to the R-37, so it is already in service.
                  As for the EPR ... so can you name the real numbers for the EPR of the dinosaur and the F-35? Or as always stumble on the stated numbers of mattresses?
                  PAK FA is created from scratch, and of course, until it is released into the series, it’s too early to talk about something specific in terms of avionics, EPR, arsenal ... but ... the direction our designers chose to create this complex is already clearly visible.
                  In this case, the story with Armata repeats ... recall? Cardboard, this can’t be, it’s a bluff, etc. ... doesn’t resemble anything, no?
                  1. Egor rustic
                    Egor rustic 12 September 2016 00: 00
                    0
                    NEXUS
                    no need to spread lies. 3-5 times less was spent on raptors than f-15s, f-16s in the $ 70-80s in modern $ 10-15 times less.
                    they correctly told you that they stopped releasing the raptor because of the collapse of the USSR. + fear of being knocked down as well as f-117. and not because he is dear. The United States would easily beat the price of a raptor if it began to sell to its allies like everything that it had produced before.
                    they don’t sell because the technologies are really super good (or super shit ... when we find out someday)
                    and the price is definitely not to blame.
          2. okko077
            okko077 10 September 2016 20: 57
            +3
            I am sure that the F35 is a 5th generation airplane ..... Speed ​​characteristics and maneuverability are not very good, but this is not the defining properties of a 5th generation airplane ..... But the F35 has a lot of unique systems .... about which everyone is modestly silent. The author forgot that the first T-1 aircraft with a full set of avionics was raised only in 50, and there are many nuances and problems. Only at the end of 2016 it will be possible to state the real capabilities of the aircraft, while we fed tales of your speed and maneuvering advantages, others are only in the testing and development phase ..... and judging by the experience of the enemy, it takes years .....
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 September 2016 21: 29
              +4
              okko077
              I am sure that the F35 is a 5th generation airplane ..... Speed ​​characteristics and maneuverability are not very good, but this is not the defining properties of a 5th generation airplane.

              Super sound WITHOUT FORCING is a mandatory requirement for a 5th generation fighter.
              And what do you think is defining for a 5th generation fighter? Super low ESR? So call her ... or will you again indistinctly grumble about what numbers the mattresses say?
              1. okko077
                okko077 10 September 2016 21: 52
                0
                I can give data only from the Internet, for example http: //rnbee.ru/2015/09/19/su35-f22-realn
                aya-ocenka-boya-protiv-rossijskogo-metalloloma /
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 11 September 2016 16: 54
                +1
                The F-35 has a cruising supersonic. The condition is fulfilled.
                True, the technical task was modest: 250 km at 1.2 MAX without afterburner.
                It was tested in practice - successfully.
                F-22 has much more: 1300 km for 1.5 MAX without afterburner.
                1. Winnie76
                  Winnie76 11 September 2016 20: 28
                  +1
                  And here is what Pedivikia says:

                  According to the formally declared characteristics, the F-35 does not have the ability to cruise at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburner. However, according to Stephen O'Bryan, Lockheed Martin vice president, the fighter is capable of flying at a speed corresponding to M = 1,2 (i.e. 1,2 times the speed of sound) for ~ 240 km without turning on the afterburner.

                  The warrior does not fight somehow. And it’s funny - 240 km. Perhaps this is supersonic, but not cruising at all with an unknown load.
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 12 September 2016 13: 57
                    0
                    F-35 rather transonic. Although the engine thrust is certainly great ...
                  2. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 12 September 2016 18: 23
                    +1
                    240 km - not much, I agree. But, if it does not turn on
                    afterburner, it is, after all, afterburner supersonic 1,2 MAX.
                    I hope the new engine, which is under development, for the T-50 will show
                    afterburning supersonic, like the F-22.
            2. VP
              VP 11 September 2016 16: 19
              +1
              Oh how. Couldn't implement something - "I didn't really want to, it's not decisive"))
              As a result, we have a "sequestration" of many parameters and at the output there are only two - the inconspicuousness of the figure is not confirmed and the avionics that does not work stably and in full volume.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 10 September 2016 23: 18
            0
            I don’t have an imaginary reality - but there is a calculated reality, the Moscow Region is actively developing a sixth generation aircraft, I think in 10 years it will be embodied in iron - so what's the point in massively buying an expensive T 50 when there is nothing inferior to it, so besides in two cheap Su 35, and the era of the sixth generation is about to begin.
            1. VP
              VP 11 September 2016 16: 20
              +1
              Where did the figures for aircraft cost come from?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 11 September 2016 22: 47
                0
                From the manufacturer - "Sukhoi"
          4. Voyager
            Voyager 23 September 2016 00: 22
            0
            50 years is possible, but far from a fact. It is worth looking around and you can see how at the present time everything is starting to change faster and faster.
        2. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 10 September 2016 20: 20
          +2
          Nonsense is complete .. The T-50 is an airplane for the next twenty years .. Together with modernization ..
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 September 2016 21: 15
            +7
            dmi.pris
            Nonsense is complete .. The T-50 is an airplane for the next twenty years .. Together with modernization ..

            Dear, this is what you scribbled like rubbish! Familiarize yourself with the concept of this complex, as well as pay attention to the development of the glider. Or do you, in your naivety, believe that new strike fighter complexes are fighting on the wave of a magic wand?
            Then I want to ask you, how is the transition from generation to generation?
        3. mihai_md2003
          mihai_md2003 12 September 2016 13: 59
          0
          And what will we fight all this time? The United States will be in the gland and we on paper and type will be in parity with them)))
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 September 2016 19: 05
        +2
        Proxima
        We can’t figure it out with the fifth generation fighters, for example, they can’t decide on the criteria that the "5" fighter must meet,

        Why didn’t you decide? Generation 5 fighter requirements have long been spelled out:
        The main characteristics of fifth-generation fighters:

        1: dramatic decrease in aircraft visibility in the radar and infrared ranges in combination with the transition of on-board sensors to passive methods of obtaining information, as well as to high stealth modes;
        2: multifunctionality, that is, high combat effectiveness in the defeat of air, ground and surface targets;
        3: availability of a circular information system;
        4: flight at supersonic speeds without using afterburner;
        over-maneuverability;
        5: the ability to carry out multi-angle firing of targets in close air combat, as well as to conduct multichannel missile firing during long-range combat;
        6: Automation control on-board information systems and jamming systems;
        7: increased combat autonomy due to the installation of a tactical situation indicator in the cockpit of a single-seat aircraft with the ability to mix information (that is, simultaneous output and mutual overlapping on a single scale of "pictures" from various sensors), as well as the use of telecode information exchange systems with external sources;
        8: aerodynamics and airborne systems should provide the ability to change the angular orientation and trajectory of the aircraft without any noticeable delays, without requiring strict coordination and coordination of the movements of the governing bodies;
        9: the aircraft must "forgive" gross piloting errors in a wide range of flight conditions;
        10: the aircraft must be equipped with an automated control system at the level of solving tactical problems, with an expert mode "to help the pilot"
        1. okko077
          okko077 10 September 2016 21: 07
          +1
          Nexus, there are no basic signs of a 5th generation aircraft related to the possibility of exchanging information and entering into a single global information space, as one of its main elements ..... Your faithful, many-sided friend .....
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 September 2016 21: 34
            +4
            okko077
            Nexus, there are no basic signs of a 5th generation aircraft related to the possibility of exchanging information and entering into a single global information space, as one of its main elements ..... Your faithful, many-sided friend .....

            Does the pangolin have this sign?
            However, I did not say that by the deadline for launching the T-50 series, as you say, the PAK FA will have no sign.
            1. okko077
              okko077 10 September 2016 22: 02
              +1
              Yes, as part of the global NCW concept. Give a reference?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 10 September 2016 22: 11
                +2
                okko077
                Yes, as part of the global NCW concept. Give a reference?

                The Lizard is NOT INTEGRATED into a global information network that provides tactics for network-centric warfare.
                And the question of upgrading the F-22 is still open.
                1. okko077
                  okko077 10 September 2016 22: 35
                  0
                  It is integrated, and since 2015, improvements are being made related to MADL and changes to IFDI. Information is changing and very fast.
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 10 September 2016 21: 52
          +1
          Dear Nexus, now you voiced one of the many versions according to the definition of the criterion for a 5th generation fighter. Personally, I counted the main criteria for about 8. So don’t be naive.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 September 2016 22: 02
            +2
            Proxima
            Dear Nexus, now you voiced one of the many versions according to the definition of the criterion for a 5th generation fighter. Personally, I counted the main criteria for about 8. So don’t be naive.

            So announce them, since I'm so naive.
            1. okko077
              okko077 10 September 2016 23: 02
              +2
              The main feature is that it is a key element of the global information system, all other properties only allow the 5th generation aircraft to be such a link for a long time and effectively. Without entering into such a system or in the absence of such a system, an airplane does not belong to this generation, and no one argues that all your 10 signs are necessary. But that is not enough. .This applies to all types of weapons. That is what the revolution in warfare means. And draw your own conclusions ... And the math came in handy ...
              1. VP
                VP 11 September 2016 16: 25
                +1
                Are you talking about the MiG-31?
    2. bald
      bald 10 September 2016 16: 01
      +3
      I support.
      In the atmosphere, under normal conditions, the speed of sound is approximately 331 m / s. The body speed of 1 Mach corresponds to the speed of sound. Supersonic speed is called in the range from 1 to 5 M. If it exceeds 5 M, then this is already a hypersonic range. This separation is conditional, since there is no clear boundary between supersonic and hypersonic speeds.
      (Ernst Mach). It can be voiced, as usual for a wide audience, speed.
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 10 September 2016 19: 28
        0
        This is sea level speed at normal pressure and temperature. Missiles and planes cannot reach maximum speeds near the surface of the earth. 1 MAX ~ 1060 km / h at an altitude of 9000 m.
  2. Joker787
    Joker787 10 September 2016 16: 25
    +15
    Urya, Urya, Urya))) Super article, barmaley and mattresses have already managed! Wow, we give them. The author of 100500 pluses per article. Keep it up! Ours are the coolest!
    Py.Sy. It is precisely because of such articles, the literate people in the VO are becoming less and less every day. It's a pity.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 September 2016 18: 55
      +6
      Joker787
      Py.Sy. It is precisely because of such articles, the literate people in the VO are becoming less and less every day. It's a pity.

      I wildly apologize, and enlighten with your literacy the dark ones on the issue of PAK FA. It is very interesting to read an explanatory commentary on the T-50 and the work on it.
    2. okko077
      okko077 10 September 2016 21: 27
      +2
      I completely agree in essence with you Joker787, but the form ...... and the article is political without question .....
    3. TARSUS
      TARSUS 10 September 2016 22: 00
      +2
      And do not say 9 out of 10 articles on the topic: Russian planes, tanks, helicopters and the like weapons are the most, the most ...
      1. okko077
        okko077 10 September 2016 22: 42
        +4
        In the discussion, I voiced who did not fulfill the state order in 2015 and is behind in 2016 from open sources indicating the significant role of these enterprises and was banned immediately. All my conclusions and even the whole controversy disappeared. There are key topics that cannot even be discussed, and I ..... will.
        1. VP
          VP 11 September 2016 19: 44
          +3
          Practice shows that in order to run into a ban here you need to try really hard. Something strongly doubt that "suffered for the truth." )
  3. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 10 September 2016 17: 00
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    It's simple - our Air Force will purchase a minimum of T 50 fighters and will wait for the sixth generation to keep up with the US Air Force.
    For the 2017 year, the VKS plan to put in operation the 12 T-50. Whether these machines will be full-fledged (in particular for the engine) is, of course, not yet clear. I believe, to some extent, you are right - an incompletely finished machine will most likely serve as a horse for training military personnel and developing weapons. According to 6, at least from conversations we switched to a real study, and that’s okay.
    1. Joker787
      Joker787 10 September 2016 17: 19
      +3
      Don't forget 5+ and then 5 ++. Then they will release "6-", like the current fives.
      1. Egor rustic
        Egor rustic 12 September 2016 00: 22
        0
        and then 6, 6+. 6 ++, -7 .... this is the evolution of technology. why don't you like her?
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 September 2016 18: 42
    +10
    Quote: Joker787
    Don't forget 5+ and then 5 ++. Then they will release "6-", like the current fives.

    Why are you, dear, so "bubbling something"? Work on the PAK FA is proceeding normally ... by the way, there is an inaccuracy in the article:
    To date, seven prototypes of the T-50 of the first stage have been built

    There are already 8. At the same time, the eighth board is a pre-production vehicle with all systems and components on board.
    The second stage engine, "product 30", is being tested and refined, as well as the arsenal for the T-50. Your schadenfreude looks stupid and ridiculous, given the fact that over the past 25 years, our military aviation industry has not built anything like this. It should be borne in mind that for the PAK FA complex, they are developing a new AFAR (in the future, ROFAR), an arsenal, etc. ...
    It is clear that such a volume of work and such tasks will be accompanied by errors and refinements and a shift in the deadlines. But I want to ask you, did the mattress with the Raptor have everything smoothly and have it? Or with the F-35?
    Stupidly gossip and yelling like a victim of cheers-patriotism is certainly easier ... like with a claim to the mind.
    And so, by the way, the PAK FA set a climb rate record with an AL-41F1-384 m / s engine. And this is only a transitional engine to the second stage engine.
    But you are a patriot of your homeland, and therefore mercilessly fight with patriotism, not bothering with the subject matter.
    1. okko077
      okko077 10 September 2016 21: 32
      0
      The engine of the second stage is approaching F119 with F22, but it is still a long way to its further development F135 with F35 ..... And the eighth T-50 with full avionics, in my opinion, is the 1st in fact. It seems to me that with improvements just in time to the engine of the second stage .....
    2. Joker787
      Joker787 11 September 2016 12: 10
      0
      The T-50 is excellent, the work of engineers cannot be overestimated, a tremendous amount of work has been done and there is still a lot to be done. And my apologies for the expression "bubbling" caused the tone of the article and my "stupid and funny" comment exclusively about it. Perhaps it was necessary to express it more precisely.
      The bottom line is that this is the same article, but after the state procedure. the acceptance of even complexes of the first stage would be appropriate in its enthusiastic tone.
      In the meantime, because of my stupidity, I won’t understand how you can rejoice so much that does not exist yet.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 September 2016 12: 39
        +1
        Joker787
        In the meantime, because of my stupidity, I won’t understand how you can rejoice so much that does not exist yet.

        And do you think it would be better if all this were done relatively quietly, without any little useful information?
        I understand that secrecy is really useful and good, but in general terms about the progress of work on the new fighter complex, I’m sure you would like I would like to know.
        1. Joker787
          Joker787 11 September 2016 18: 39
          0
          I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yeryoma. We got to the outright flood. That's it, let's go.
  5. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 10 September 2016 19: 34
    0
    I would like to see the PAK FA as part of the Russian Air Force as soon as possible, but I understand the complexity of the tasks facing the developers. Let the Air Force get a fully combat-ready machine with a second-stage engine brought by avionics and weapons.
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 September 2016 19: 50
    +5
    Quote: mr.redpartizan
    I would like to see the PAK FA as part of the Russian Air Force as soon as possible, but I understand the complexity of the tasks facing the developers. Let the Air Force get a fully combat-ready machine with a second-stage engine brought by avionics and weapons.

    Can you imagine the amount of work? A fighter complex is being created from scratch! At the same time, they are developing a new engine, arsenal, radar, and even the tactics of using this complex are new to our VKS.
    Wishlist is certainly good, but you just need to clearly understand what our designers and the military-industrial complex in general have swung at.
    1. okko077
      okko077 10 September 2016 21: 40
      +2
      And here I completely agree .... plus
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 September 2016 22: 02
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Fighter complex is created from scratch!

      Andrey, well, this is a clear excess! Experience has not gone anywhere. And the design team did not take shape on one day.
      Here is most likely a classic example of the transition of quantity into quality. Yes
      And the rest is right.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 September 2016 22: 19
        +4
        Boa kaa
        Andrey, well, this is a clear excess!

        Sasha, where is the inflection? For more than 25 years, we have not created anything essentially groundbreaking in fighter aircraft. (MIG-1.44, Golden Eagle does not count, since these were not serial prototypes).
        Take a glider, which, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me by 70% from carbon fiber ... in which fighter was it used so widely in the village? MIG-29? So it contains no more than 30% carbon fiber.
        AFAR, the arsenal, again, the engine from scratch ... of course the school and operating time must be taken into account, but I'm sorry, this is an absolutely NEW IMPACT COMPLEX, which we finally bring to the series.
  7. Wiskar
    Wiskar 10 September 2016 20: 49
    0
    Russian and Indian experts have already begun to develop a new, hypersonic BrahMos 2 rocket, it should reach a speed of 7M. No country in the world has this type of missile. Laboratory tests of the rocket at a speed of 6,5M have already been carried out.


    Maybe not, but while laboratory tests are being carried out in Russia, in 51 the USA X-2013A Waverider was already launched from the board of the B-52, flying from the Edwards air base, and reached an altitude of 18200 meters, where it developed a speed corresponding to the Mach number 5,1.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 September 2016 21: 05
      +4
      Wiskar
      Maybe not, but while laboratory tests are being carried out in Russia, in 51 the USA X-2013A Waverider was already launched from the board of the B-52, flying from the Edwards air base, and reached an altitude of 18200 meters, where it developed a speed corresponding to the Mach number 5,1.


      And recently, the situation has become even more interesting - scramjet engines have so many problems and shortcomings that it would be logical to try to find an alternative. The most interesting thing is that only three countries develop alternative engines for hypersound - and there is no USA among them! It is more interesting for the Americans to throw hundreds of billions of dollars to “cut” in DARPA and bluntly forehead to break through problems with the scramjet, because of which they have already failed at least 5 projects. And of the highlighted projects of alternative engines, there are Russian-French developments on detonation engines (which so far are considered to be something like “Petrik filters”) and some Russian-Indian promising developments in the framework of work on the Bramos-2 hypersonic missile.

      There is very little information on our developments purely, but from the fact that it began to leak into the public domain literally in recent months, it becomes known that we are working not only on missiles with scramjet engines, but also created completely new types of fuel that solve the problem of creating “Solid fuel” hypersonic missiles, as well as our researchers are actively working with the detonation engine for hypersound. In addition, there is reason to believe that Russia already has an unmanned hypersonic aircraft - Russia has been suspected of this since 2004.
      It is possible that before the end of the decade we will see a domestic hypersonic, conditionally “solid fuel”, cruise missile with a range of up to 5000 kilometers, which American radars simply cannot detect. And a cherry on a cake - a week ago it was announced that Russia was deploying a network of Sky-M mobile radars that confidently capture hypersonic targets in the atmosphere. This is a breakthrough, and the breakthrough is very serious - because in addition to the hypersonic sword, we already have a shield.

      Add to this the development of the Yu-71 and Sarmat ICBMs.
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 10 September 2016 20: 50
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    Quote: mr.redpartizan
    Let the Air Force get a fully combat-ready machine with a second-stage engine brought by avionics and weapons.

    How do you imagine "Better to let the Air Force get a fully combat-ready machine ...", is it that straight from the assembly will become combat and does not require fine-tuning? Or all the same, its troops have to run in before "getting"?
  9. okko077
    okko077 11 September 2016 08: 50
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    This discussion leads to the convincing conclusion that the T-50 will go into production in 2018. And although there are more political and economic reasons, rather than technical ones, for most of which we simply don’t know ..., a certain modification will appear with first-stage engines and the same version of on-board equipment. And we are encouraged by external friends and enemies, and internal, oddly enough ... In my opinion, this will be the most balanced and balanced decision.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 September 2016 14: 04
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    T-50 is promising for 50 years in advance. But this is not an expensive mass plane. I would like to see our analogue of the F-35, I hope the T-50 technology will allow us to make a good mass light / medium tactical fighter for our Air Force and export.
  11. mvp
    mvp 13 September 2016 00: 55
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    Quote: Wiskar
    Russian and Indian experts have already begun to develop a new, hypersonic BrahMos 2 rocket, it should reach a speed of 7M. No country in the world has this type of missile. Laboratory tests of the rocket at a speed of 6,5M have already been carried out.


    Maybe not, but while laboratory tests are being carried out in Russia, in 51 the USA X-2013A Waverider was already launched from the board of the B-52, flying from the Edwards air base, and reached an altitude of 18200 meters, where it developed a speed corresponding to the Mach number 5,1.

    They write about the problem of guidance when approaching the target: it is heated, it is not synchronized.
  12. mvp
    mvp 13 September 2016 00: 57
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    T-50 is promising for 50 years in advance. But this is not an expensive mass plane. I would like to see our analogue of the F-35, I hope the T-50 technology will allow us to make a good mass light / medium tactical fighter for our Air Force and export.

    MIG-35 with new engines and missiles, afar (first of all).
  13. Wiruz
    Wiruz 16 September 2016 11: 25
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    will also be able to carry two such hypersonic missiles.

    Since when has Mach 3,5 become hypersound? winked
  14. Voyager
    Voyager 23 September 2016 00: 28
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    Confused by all these super rocket headers. Not serious somehow. Against this background, the fact that the most interesting from the point of view of the capabilities of the missile is likely to be placed only on external suspensions is even more annoying.

    As for the development of the 6th and so on. Do you listen to anyone at all? Work is underway - a fact. Developments, even the first ones, hell knows when they will appear.