KnAAZ CEO: The 2-th line engine for the PAK FA is ready and tested

The engine of the 2-th stage for the fifth-generation T-50 (PAK FA) aircraft is ready, its tests pass according to the plan, it transmits TASS report of the Director General of Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant Alexander Pekarsh.

“The engine of the second stage is ready, it works. Tests are going according to plan ",

Perkash said at the Eastern Economic Forum.

Earlier, the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory, Vyacheslav Shport, told the agency that the Russian Defense Ministry "may include T-50 fighters in the state defense order for the 2018 year." According to him, "the mass production of the T-50 will begin at the end of the 2017 of the year."

Fighters will be produced in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

The T-50 first flew into the 2010. It is expected that his tests will be completed by the end of this year.

TASS Help: “Compared to previous generation fighters, the T-50 has a number of unique features, combining the functions of a strike aircraft and a fighter. The use of composite materials and innovative technologies, aerodynamic layout of the aircraft, measures to reduce engine visibility provide a low level of radar and infrared visibility. This makes it possible to significantly increase combat effectiveness in work both on airborne and ground targets at any time of the day, in simple and complex meteorological conditions. ”

Comments

[Muvka]

Well, someone said a couple of days ago that there is only an engine layout or something like that. Rather, the series and the T-50.

[SRC P-15]

Here is more details about this news:
http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1472853862

[Tusv]

Quote: Muvka

Well, someone said a couple of days ago that there is only an engine layout or something like that. Rather, the series and the T-50.

This is always the case with us. Will be ready, then they’re already experiencing

[seti]

This is certainly a big step forward.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Muvka

Well, someone said a couple of days ago that there is only an engine layout or something like that. Rather, the series and the T-50.

We read comments on the material and find these humamators -
https://topwar.ru/100092-t-50-poydut-v-seriyu-v-2
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[Danil Laryon]

the plane is just handsome

[avt]

the plane is just handsome

Wow! What is, that is, especially when standing next to the Su-7 - you can immediately see that a completely different machine of the new generation.

[Elephant]

Handsome - the Americans F-35

[Old26]

Quote: Tusv

This is always the case with us.

That's it. In the normal, human sense, the term "ready" means that the engine has passed the entire cycle of tests, from factory to state, and is ready for installation on one or another aircraft. And then "ready, but being tested." And if it does not stand the test (God forbid, of course), or if you need another test cycle? They will also say that they are ready. Recently, officials of all ranks have begun to "broadcast" something so that later it would be impossible to "approach" them.

[user1212]

You tell fans of F35.

[In100gram]

You tell fans of F35

Exceptional?

[Rus2012]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Tusv

This is always the case with us.

the term "ready" means that the engine has passed the entire cycle of tests, from factory to state, and is ready to be installed on one or another aircraft. And then "ready, but being tested."

Uv.kollega, in this context, "ready" means:
- sample type has passed the necessary ground tests and is ready for installation on LI (flight tests). The beginning of "flight" means - that the TIP has passed to the flight tests for the State and MVI. The ground part of the tests is also included in the State. It is an ongoing process that includes the necessary parts of the ground-flight-demonstration stages.

At ground stages, incl. operating time of the resource, sufficient for installation on a glider and for the start of flight. On the ground, however, "high-altitude and high-speed studies" are carried out - necessary to clarify the behavior of the product in the same modes with full-scale LI. In fact, moving on the ground "tries the sky or learns to fly as with LI". Opened defects are eliminated and "measures to exclude" are carried out, however, as in the series ...
And Gos, adoption and series - does not mean at all that until COMPLEX - it does not rise into the air and the pre-production is not manufactured.
And moreover, there have been cases when the equipment, which had not passed the GI-MVI and not properly taken into service, was widely deployed in combat units and even took part in armed conflicts!
Is it really not clear?

[da Vinci]

Well, if from this bell tower, then it is not "ready" but "a prototype" or "pre-production sample" is prepared and "transferred to .. tests, which will continue until 20 .. year". And so - it's just a PR office. The result will be in the air (by plane)!

[NordUral]

I do not understand. Ready - it means accepted. You ask old military representatives what the finished product is.

[avg-mgn]

The engine is good. But the photo is wrong, either with horns, or with a halo in the style of a tolerant EU.

[The point]

The photo is correct. This cloven-hoofed and bearded other photo, by definition, should not be, believe the factory worker.

[Viktor fm]

Speaking well, very precisely, the engine will be completely ready in 2 - 3 of the year after the start of its operation on airplanes in the troops.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Viktor fm

Speaking well, very precisely, the engine will be completely ready in 2 - 3 of the year after the start of its operation on airplanes in the troops.

"completely ready" - WHAT?

If by this we mean only - OPERATIONAL RELIABILITY and MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT of combat units, then here, the TYPE of armament with the LAST PRODUCTION SERIES of the life cycle and on which all INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES are implemented is considered the most reliable. Those. just before the removal of the TYPE from armament.

[Viktor fm]

Everything is much simpler. The improvements have not yet been canceled. At first, with appropriate loads, there will be something to pour in (from 100 percent experience) So that the engine stably produces the declared parameters, it will be brought back to condition at first, with these modifications, but not indefinitely. And malfunctions in the process of further operation will arise, there is no getting around it, the main thing is not to be critical and within the normal range.

[The point]

The director, of course, knows better than us from the machines. Only Mr. Pekars does not always tell the truth. He talked beautifully about Superjet, but here you are, not so many details are being made by the plant now, as if there were a lot of orders. He may have the truth, he said, but there is no certainty that this is all true. I remember how he talked beautifully about the re-equipment and the renewal of the machine park. Of course, the holy truth. But not all.

[bubalik]

How to understand, the engine of the second stage ,,? Explain, please,,,

[Primipilus]

The second stage engine wakes up on production aircraft, it meets all the requirements of the 5th generation.

[Mestny]

Quote: Maksud

He may have the truth, he said, but there is no certainty that this is all true. I remember how he talked beautifully about the re-equipment and the renewal of the machine park. Of course, the holy truth. But not all. hi

Is it not so simple with you?

[The point]

Definitely, that is ambiguous.

[Banishing liberoids]

Well, it’s also not one month’s test, they said once that the aircraft will go into production in the 18th year, all that can be hoped is that the dates are not shifted again to a later date

[mlad]

Great news, but one thing is alarming: how long will it be fine-tuning, what will be the life of a motor vehicle, maybe because of haste they used very expensive rare-earth metals and you can’t release many of these engines

[Koshak]

Quote: mlad

Great news, but one thing is alarming: how long will it be fine-tuning, what will be the life of a motor vehicle, maybe because of haste they used very expensive rare-earth metals and you can’t release many of these engines

Debugging and refinement are throughout the entire period of operation. Resource will also increase. Using the example of the NK-12 engine, which I know well, I can say that the first series of these engines had a resource of only 150 bph, which subsequently increased to 5000 bph.

[tomket]

But Poghosyan yap all the same ....

[VP]

But the result gives.
You are not yap. But the country needs Poghosyan, for some reason ...

[Zomanus]

Great news.
I hope that with ship engines the problem will be solved soon.
And also with engines for small aircraft.

[Old26]

Quote: Rus2012

Quote: Old26

Quote: Tusv

This is always the case with us.

the term "ready" means that the engine has passed the entire cycle of tests, from factory to state, and is ready to be installed on one or another aircraft. And then "ready, but being tested."

Uv.kollega, in this context, "ready" means:
- sample type has passed the necessary ground tests and is ready for installation on LI (flight tests). The beginning of "flight" means - that the TIP has passed to the flight tests for the State and MVI. The ground part of the tests is also included in the State. It is an ongoing process that includes the necessary parts of the ground-flight-demonstration stages.

At ground stages, incl. operating time of the resource, sufficient for installation on a glider and for the start of flight. On the ground, however, "high-altitude and high-speed studies" are carried out - necessary to clarify the behavior of the product in the same modes with full-scale LI. In fact, moving on the ground "tries the sky or learns to fly as with LI". Opened defects are eliminated and "measures to exclude" are carried out, however, as in the series ...
And Gos, adoption and series - does not mean at all that until COMPLEX - it does not rise into the air and the pre-production is not manufactured.
And moreover, there have been cases when the equipment, which had not passed the GI-MVI and not properly taken into service, was widely deployed in combat units and even took part in armed conflicts!
Is it really not clear?

I understand, colleague, you understand. But for the overwhelming majority of "listeners" and "caretakers" of our media, this is a dark forest. They take everything directly: if they are ready, then why the plane is not in the army. If it passes the test, then it’s not ready yet. And our officials have been giving such formulations lately ...

[tomket]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Rus2012

Quote: Old26

Quote: Tusv

This is always the case with us.

the term "ready" means that the engine has passed the entire cycle of tests, from factory to state, and is ready to be installed on one or another aircraft. And then "ready, but being tested."

Uv.kollega, in this context, "ready" means:
- sample type has passed the necessary ground tests and is ready for installation on LI (flight tests). The beginning of "flight" means - that the TIP has passed to the flight tests for the State and MVI. The ground part of the tests is also included in the State. It is an ongoing process that includes the necessary parts of the ground-flight-demonstration stages.

At ground stages, incl. operating time of the resource, sufficient for installation on a glider and for the start of flight. On the ground, however, "high-altitude and high-speed studies" are carried out - necessary to clarify the behavior of the product in the same modes with full-scale LI. In fact, moving on the ground "tries the sky or learns to fly as with LI". Opened defects are eliminated and "measures to exclude" are carried out, however, as in the series ...
And Gos, adoption and series - does not mean at all that until COMPLEX - it does not rise into the air and the pre-production is not manufactured.
And moreover, there have been cases when the equipment, which had not passed the GI-MVI and not properly taken into service, was widely deployed in combat units and even took part in armed conflicts!
Is it really not clear?

I understand, colleague, you understand. But for the overwhelming majority of "listeners" and "caretakers" of our media, this is a dark forest. They take everything directly: if they are ready, then why the plane is not in the army. If it passes the test, then it’s not ready yet. And our officials have been giving such formulations lately ...

Time claims. Poghosyan promised T-50 to the troops in 2010. Did he somehow answer for the disruption of the program? If initially the deadlines were not realistic, why did he pour promises then? rowed the loot? At the same time, technologically, the T-50 is much simpler than the F-35 program. It turns out they believed Poghosyan, and to please him, the MiG 1.44 was hacked to death. It's already 2017, and there was no plane in the troops, and there isn't. Under Stalin, Poghosyan would have used the Druzhba 2 saw

[Rus2012]

Quote: tomket

Poghosyan promised t-50 in the troops in the 2010 year. Did he somehow answer for disrupting the program? If initially the terms were not real, then why did he make promises?

... well, Poghosyan is in my presentation "General manager and PR manager".
If we proceed from this point of view. - then everything is clear and understandable. Only, for some time he was in the wrong position. That soon and "fixed" ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: tomket

Under Stalin, Poghosyan would have used the Druzhba 2 saw

- Are you so old that you worked under Stalin?
- I worked under Brezhnev, in one of the offices that worked for Buran
- there were costs .. not that much, but lots of
- and the plane is, and will be in the army. So "Dryuchba chainsaw" is exactly for you ... this is for you, tomket

[tomket]

I read memoirs somewhere, like Korolev and Chelomey couldn’t coordinate something with each other, actually because of this the lunar program was inhibited, well, there was an idea that in Stalin’s office they would agree in a minute. By the way, Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi had the conscience to abandon projects that, in his opinion, were not feasible at the moment. Or he called exact dates, and did not fool people with promises.

[Cat man null]

Quote: tomket

I read memories somewhere, like

- and now, if possible, briefly and in Russian - please explain why did you say all this here.

Best regards

PS: I don’t like, you see, demagogues ... since childhood ... I have an allergy to mnu on them

[tomket]

Well, if you are allergic, then go get treatment.

[VP]

Is MiG expected by a supermachine or something?

[Altona]

Quote: costa761

In short, without counting the great buzz, the T-50 is just a 4-generation +++

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How is it? Full 5th generation, a number of technologies have been tested for a long time. Our bird feathers, already flies, shows the result. The new engine will only expand its capabilities. Rather, a contract with Moscow Region and a full-fledged series of at least a hundred pieces.

[voyaka uh]

It is very important. Make the engine more thrust
it was necessary.

[Monarchist]

tomket: "Under Stalin, Poghosyan would have already mastered the" druzhba2 "saw. There are several options: 1) felling. do not give the engine. Or "pests are drafts Pupkin, Dubkin deliberately and". Pogosyan would have continued to sit in the chair, periodically knocking his heel on the chest and swearing in loyalty to the party, etc.

[The point]

Pests from KnAAz do not produce an engine. A completely different office is engaged in this.

[NordUral]

Good news. But the great news would be this: the engine has been tested and put into production.

[tinibar]

Quote: Muvka

Well, someone said a couple of days ago that there is only an engine layout or something like that. Rather, the series and the T-50.

Yes, you cannot tighten. But you can’t get excited and give a raw engine to the series! Therefore, good luck and fruitful work to the engine team!

[mr.redpartizan]

The first batch of aircraft will go to the troops with the engine of the first stage. I hope that later they can be easily refitted without major alterations with the product 30.

[soaring]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: tomket

Under Stalin, Poghosyan would have used the Druzhba 2 saw

- Are you so old that you worked under Stalin?
- I worked under Brezhnev, in one of the offices that worked for Buran
- there were costs .. not that much, but lots of
- and the plane is, and will be in the army. So "Dryuchba chainsaw" is exactly for you ... this is for you, tomket

People, well, be calm, or something! And then all about the saw and about the saw ....
But Poghosyan is a very strange person .... It’s supposed to answer for the words, especially the words given to the leadership of the country.

[Pacifist]

But this is really great news.

[Former battalion commander]

Well, after about a decade, maybe the regiments equipped with this plane will represent some sort of strength, but for now, you have to wait and plow.

[Garris199]

I can't wait to see how PAKFA will fly with them. It will be that dance, with such and such energy.