The project of modernization of BRM-3K "Lynx" with the use of the combat module AU-220M "Baikal" was announced.

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On the eve of the “Army-2016” forum, the participating organizations talk about their plans for demonstrating new designs. 30 August Uralvagonzavod Corporation told about its future exposition. In an open area in 1360 square. meters, this organization plans to show 56 already known and completely new developments for military purposes. 37 types of equipment and weapons will be presented in the form of full-scale samples or full-size layouts. Also, some developments of the corporation "Uralvagonzavod" and its member enterprises will be shown on other stands. One of the premieres of the upcoming exhibition should be a modernized combat reconnaissance vehicle BRM-3K. As part of the newest modernization project, it was equipped with the AU-220М combat module.

The AU-220М “Baikal” combat module, armed with an 57-mm automatic cannon, was first introduced last year. This development was positioned as a universal means of increasing the firepower of armored vehicles. The parameters of the module, allegedly, allow you to install it on various existing and future chassis. After installing such equipment, the updated armored vehicle receives new combat capabilities associated with increased firepower. To date, several armored vehicle modernization projects have been submitted using the Baikal system. At the exhibition "Army-2016" it is planned to present a reconnaissance vehicle updated in this way.




Battle module AU-220М "Baikal". Photo OFO "Uralvagonzavod"


Unfortunately, the exact appearance of the upgraded reconnaissance vehicle BRM-3K "Lynx" has not yet been announced. Apparently, the appearance and characteristics of this sample will become known only after the opening of the upcoming forum. Nevertheless, the main goals of the project are already clear, and the means of achieving them are also obvious. The use of the AU-220M combat module with high-power weapons allows the reconnaissance vehicle to maintain its main characteristics at the required level, and also significantly raises its firepower in the event of a meeting with the enemy. Moreover, for some time a new version of the BRM-3K will be able to retain significant advantages over potential adversaries.

Recall, the combat reconnaissance vehicle BRM-3K “Rys” was created in the first half of the nineties by the design bureau of the Rubtsovsk Mechanical Plant. The aim of the project was the reworking of the existing infantry combat vehicle design, the BMP-3, which allows the new technology to solve reconnaissance tasks in the enemy’s rear area. In connection with the new tasks, the original machine should have lost some of the aggregates of the base sample, as well as a fairly large number of new systems.

The change in appointment led to the refinement of the existing corps. Its main parameters, such as the level of protection and layout, were left without significant changes. At the same time, the shape was changed: the “Lynx” lost its machine-gun coursework, due to which the zygomatic part of the corps received different lines and a smaller width. Developed flank niches of the hull begin only near the combat compartment. Other modifications of the case concerned only internal volumes and were associated with the need to accommodate new equipment.

The power unit based on the UTD-29 diesel engine with 500 hp power was saved. A four-speed planetary gearbox with hydromechanical reversing gear mates with the engine. The steering mechanism has a hydrostatic drive and a mechanism for taking power to the jet propulsion unit. To supply radioelectronic systems with electricity when the main engine is turned off, “Lynx” carries a generator of 4 kW power. The design of the chassis was completely borrowed from the base sample and has six track rollers on each side. Suspension - individual torsion bar with additional hydraulic shock absorbers on the first, second and sixth pair of the roller. Drive wheels are located in the stern.

In connection with the need to install a number of special systems, “Lynx” received a tower similar to the units of old-age infantry fighting vehicles. The 30-mm automatic gun 2А72 and the twin PKT machine gun were placed in the turret. Weapon mounting systems allowed vertical guidance ranging from -5 ° to + 64 °. There is also the possibility of using anti-tank missiles.


BRM-3K "Lynx" in the original configuration. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


On the sides and stern of the tower project BRM-3K provided for the installation of three containers with special equipment. Onboard containers are designed to accommodate optical-electronic systems. They contain the Pecheneg 1PN61 and the 1 71 2PNXX, as well as the 1D14 laser rangefinder designed for visual reconnaissance at any time of the day. In the stern container of the turret, the antenna of the radar station 1RL133-1 "Credo-M" should be placed in the stowed position. If necessary, the antenna device can be mounted on the remote tripod.

To solve the assigned tasks, the crew of the BRM-3K had to use a set of equipment for topographic location, optical and radar reconnaissance equipment and other equipment. The reconnaissance vehicle carried several radio stations of various types to transmit data about the enemy objects found. With the help of P-163-50U, P-163-10У and P-163-50К stations without additional equipment, radio communication was provided at distances up to 100 km. With additional antenna mast systems, the communication range could be increased to 350 km.

The crew of the BRM-3K "Lynx" in the initial configuration consists of six people. The commander of the vehicle, the driver-mechanic, the navigator-operator, the gunner, the commander of the reconnaissance group and the radio operator are placed at various places inside the armored hull. Together, the crew members were to control the machine, conduct reconnaissance and transfer the collected data.

A new project developed by the Uralvagonzavod corporation is proposed to equip the Lynx machine with a modern combat module with enhanced weaponry. In this case, a new remotely controlled system should be installed on the roof of the hull instead of the old tower. The AU-220M “Baikal” system was first introduced last year, and over time has found application in several new projects. With the help of this combat module, several existing models of domestic armored vehicles have already been upgraded. In the future, the list of such projects may be updated. A new use option for the Baikal product is the modernization project for the BRM-3K machine.

The combat module AU-220M, created at the Petrel Research Institute, is a remotely controlled system equipped with a set of necessary weapons and special equipment. An important feature of this product is the placement of all necessary components and assemblies in a common housing placed on the roof of the base machine. Due to the removal of the module outside the armored hull of the vehicle, it is possible to release significant volumes inside the protected space that can be used to install one or another equipment. In this case, the control of the combat module must be carried out using remote systems. At the operator’s workplace it is proposed to install a remote control with a monitor and a full set of controls.


Intelligence Equipment BRM-3K. Figure JSC "Uralvagonzavod"


The product AU-220M is equipped with an armored body, providing all-round protection against small weapons and able to withstand a hit 30-mm projectile in the frontal part. Attachments for machine guns and optical-electronic systems are placed on the module's supporting platform. In the central part of the module is a rocking artillery system with an 57-mm automatic cannon. A machine gun of a rifle caliber, carried out in a separate swinging casing, is mechanically connected with it. To the left of the instrument, on the same level with it, as well as to the right on the roof of the module, are placed two blocks of optical-electronic equipment.

The main weapon of "Baikal" is an automatic gun caliber 57 mm, capable of showing the rate of fire to 80 shots per minute. There is the possibility of using projectiles of various types: high-explosive armor-piercing and controlled with a programmable fuse. Depending on the type of ammunition, shooting at a distance of up to 12 km is possible. The most important feature of 57-mm guns is a significant superiority in the basic parameters over the existing serial small-caliber artillery systems. It is expected that such features of the AU-220М module will significantly increase the potential of the equipment equipped with it.

Details of the project to equip the BRM-3K reconnaissance vehicle with the AU-220M combat module have not yet been clarified. Nevertheless, the available information on other similar projects allows us to present the result of these works. So, last year for the first time the updated combat vehicle of infantry BMP-3 with the designation "Derivation" was presented. This modification was distinguished from the base version by the use of the “Baikal” combat module instead of the original turret with weapons. This re-equipment, in the first place, led to the release of large volumes inside the armored hull. Instead of a large-sized fighting compartment, which occupied a significant part of the habitable volume, only a low-height cylindrical unit under the roof and the support of the combat module, reaching the bottom of the hull, remained inside the hull.

Apparently, in the new modernization project “Lynx” similar ideas will be implemented, which will allow optimizing the layout of internal volumes and, to a certain extent, improving the working conditions of the crew. However, there may be some questions about the placement of external units of special equipment. In the case of the BRM-3K in the original version, they were placed on the outer surface of the tower. Whether they will be installed on the Baikal building, or the project authors have found another solution, it is not entirely clear.

However, the release of internal hull volumes is hardly the main goal of the new project. The combat module AU-220М “Baikal” was originally created with the aim of significantly increasing the firepower of modern and promising armored vehicles. It was precisely with this that the use of the caliber of the instrument, non-standard for the present times, was connected.


BMP-3 "Derivation" with the combat module "Baikal". Photo Vk.com/tankspub


The vast majority of modern models of light and middle class armored vehicles carry automatic guns with a caliber of no more than 30 mm. Accordingly, the reservation of this technology is designed to protect the crew and internal units from similar threats. The 57 mm caliber gun must be distinguished by a greater muzzle energy of the projectile, which should have a clear effect on the fighting qualities. Larger caliber, depending on various factors, can increase armor penetration or firing range with the same power. In addition, some other features of weapons are improved.

In the context of the further development of the BRM-3K reconnaissance vehicle, such advantages are associated with a certain increase in the efficiency of solving basic tasks. Using the 57-mm cannon, the Lynx will be able to better defend itself against the enemy in reconnaissance, having the ability to open fire from long distances, as well as using enhanced penetrability characteristics. All this can positively affect the probability of survival of the equipment in the event of an unforeseen collision with the enemy.

At the concept level, the BRY-3K Lynx machine with the AU-220М combat module looks quite interesting. Such a model will be able to preserve all its basic functions, but at the same time improve certain characteristics, which will positively affect the overall effectiveness of combat work. However, for now these are only estimates and assumptions. The project of modernization “Lynx” was developed not so long ago, and to date, the corporation “Uralvagonzavod” has built only a demonstration model of the new technology. To determine the real prospects of such an upgrade, a complex and lengthy work will be required, implying tests and fine-tuning of prototypes. Only after that it will be possible to talk about a particular future project.

It may take some time to complete all the necessary work. In the meantime, the organization-developer of a new project plans to show a sample of new technology at the nearest exhibition. The existing BRM-3K prototype with the 57-mm cannon will be shown at the upcoming Army-2016 forum, which will start on September 6 in Patriot park near Moscow. At the same time, the main features and characteristics of the promising technology are likely to be announced.


On the materials of the sites:
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http://vestnik-rm.ru/
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  1. +5
    2 September 2016 07: 35
    I think the Baikal module will still show itself where it is necessary to break the enemy) 30mm as they say well but 50 is better) I think a puma or a striker will take Baikal to spare parts for seconds)
    1. +5
      2 September 2016 21: 31
      Once again, UVZ is trying to shove the impregnable.
      I don’t understand at all, what for the BRM is a more powerful gun? Task intelligence cars - to do intelligence, and not "shooting at a distance of up to 12 km", as they unsuccessfully try to advertise this outdated artillery system.

      They no longer know where to sculpt it, so let's stick it on to BRM.
      Well, I don’t need it there, I don’t need it.
    2. +4
      3 September 2016 04: 50
      Think 57mm shells are more powerful than RPG7 that Puma holds 360 degrees? 57 mm, if necessary, with a programmable BC, so that it would be possible for 3-5 km infantry and light equipment in the halls, in the trenches, as well as in buildings. But you need not only a programmable ammunition, it should also be telescopic, since the shells from the S-60 are huge and you won’t take a lot of ammunition. Here is a video of the action of Bofors 57mm and a programmable projectile, pay attention to the power of the directional cloud of fragments.

      1. +2
        5 September 2016 22: 15
        karabas-barabas September 3, 2016 04:50 ↑
        Think 57mm shells are more powerful than RPG7 that Puma holds 360 degrees?
        Well, what is her effective armor thickness? 900 mm frontal, stern and lateral projection ?? Do you actually think what you are writing ???

        PS In general, the Baikal's ammunition is 200 rounds (80 + 120). That at a rate of fire of 0-120 shots / s is enough for 1,5-2,5 minutes of continuous shooting!
      2. +1
        24 February 2017 13: 45
        What does the Puma hold 360 degrees?
        Are you personally ready to be in Puma for tests of the durability of her armor? As for the 57mm armor-piercing projectile, then ... oh, I don’t envy the one to whom this disc flies.
        At Baikal, of course, the barrel length is not like that of the ZIS-2, well, so he doesn’t need to pierce the T-6 Tiger’s frontal armor either. And there, by the way, for 100 mm it was. And the ZIS-2 pierced even the Tiger's forehead with 700 m.
        Again - the S-60 anti-aircraft guns “doused” the M-48 and T-4 from a kilometer and this is a confirmed fact.
        Where there is Pume.
  2. +7
    2 September 2016 07: 52
    Honestly, I don’t really understand why a reconnaissance vehicle needs a module with such a serious gun.
    1. +21
      2 September 2016 08: 05
      Well, then you join the army, take part in the database, then it may be understood that there is little firepower in a war. And the rest is sofa snot.
      1. +7
        2 September 2016 08: 34
        "Well, you go to the army, take part in the database, then maybe you will understand that there is never enough firepower in a war. And everything else is sofa snot."

        Don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go. Well, since there is never too much power, let's stick it on the BRM 2A75 from the "Sprut".
        1. +3
          2 September 2016 12: 41
          Well, since there is never too much power, let's stick it on the BRM 2A75 from the "Sprut".

          You stick, and we will discuss.
          There is a range finder, there is a thermal imager, there is a radar. Revealed and destroyed. An anti-aircraft gun (s-60) with shells with remote detonation will also save a drone. With appropriate software.
          1. +2
            5 September 2016 22: 18
            Yes, there is not only a remote fuse, there is also a projectile (controlled by a laser beam)!
        2. +6
          2 September 2016 13: 43
          let's stick on BRM 2A75 from "Sprut".

          So they stuck the "Octopus" as a result and it turned out.
      2. +5
        3 September 2016 04: 57
        [quote] then it may be understood that there is little firepower in war / quote

        And BC is not enough? How many of these melons can be loaded into BMP3 ?? What does it have to do with a reconnaissance machine! It is opposite to her to fight at all, she must collect Old and not be noticed! And if it’s sleeping, then you need to leave with the fight and here you need a well-stabilized SLA and good BC.
        1. 0
          5 September 2016 22: 19
          Already wrote above - there is a full BK - 200! shells.
    2. 0
      13 December 2016 14: 15
      Then, in order to eliminate light armored vehicles, which, as correctly written in the article, are basically protected from a 30mm caliber without using RPGs and ATGMs.
  3. +1
    2 September 2016 07: 53
    so even if you look at her. there is a place where to put additional modules if necessary on the gun itself
    powerful weapon
    1. +3
      2 September 2016 13: 38
      501 Legion
      so even if you look at her. there is a place where to put additional modules if necessary on the gun itself
      powerful weapon

      Looking at the Baikal module, I caught myself wondering if it was possible to place 2-4 ATGMs of the Vampire or Attack-V type on the sides, in the manner of the Terminator ... after all, they are going to install Baikal on the T-15 too ...
      And as the commentators above correctly noted, there is little firepower.
      1. +2
        2 September 2016 21: 55
        That's what I'm talking about. the place is "where to grow"
  4. +4
    2 September 2016 09: 46
    Well, apparently no one needs such excessive power of the gun, since they no longer know where to shove it. It remains only to offer border guards quadrics.
    1. +2
      2 September 2016 22: 25
      Well, apparently no one needs such excessive power of the gun, since they no longer know where to shove it. It remains only to offer border guards quadrics.


      And to that it goes drinks
      The only place this module could really be put is the BMPT. But with him everything died out, due to an incorrect concept, and in its present form it is not needed by the Moscow Defense Forces.

      phrase from article
      The most important feature of the 57-mm guns is a significant superiority in basic parameters over existing serial small-caliber artillery systems

      I especially finished off - well, yes! 57mm exceeds 30mm!
      Breakthrough, youpt.
      A significant superiority would be a gun for a telescopic munition, for which shells would remain in the diameter of the sleeve 30x165, but at the same time would be shorter and more powerful.
      That would be cool. And not the old anti-aircraft gun of the 60s.
  5. +1
    2 September 2016 10: 10
    BRM-3K "Lynx" was created in the first half of the nineties by a design bureau Rubtsovsky mechanical plant The author was a little mistaken .. Rubtsovsky Machine-building Plant, so it was then called ... and in the case it is a very good idea to install an uninhabited module with a more powerful gun hi
  6. +2
    2 September 2016 10: 15
    Rapid-fire dashboard comparable to ZIS-2 in armor penetration (I recall, in WWII it coped well with tigers and panthers), mounted on light armored vehicles (up to armored personnel carriers) ... The world went crazy ...
    1. +4
      2 September 2016 12: 01
      yes this is the centuries-old struggle of the shield and the sword. the Germans strengthened their armor on Puma, and these decided to find the optimal weapon, with a margin of several years in advance. and until the plasma weapon comes out, this will continue - some will increase armor, others will increase firepower. I read websites in other languages ​​where they discuss military equipment, and I will say that the most developed of the foreigners were satisfied with the caliber of Baikal, frank Germanophiles and Anglophiles. they believe that this is a very successful combination on a lightweight chassis with a 57 mm high-speed automatic gun. I still do not belong to this module, although I admit that I myself also breathed unevenly. but so far there is little clarity, I can’t say how much I support it as a project. we’ll look further at what will happen, the results of tuning the system to a specific chassis.
    2. +1
      2 September 2016 21: 35
      Quote: karelia-molot
      Rapid-fire dashboard comparable to ZIS-2 in armor penetration (I recall, in WWII it coped well with tigers and panthers), mounted on light armored vehicles

      Firstly - not a rapid-fire
      Secondly, it has nothing to do with either the ZIS-2 or its ammunition.

      Teach materiel am
      1. +3
        5 September 2016 22: 29
        psiho117
        Just the same AUTOMATIC !! Materiel you just learn it would not hurt!
  7. +4
    2 September 2016 11: 46
    The AU-220M combat module, created at the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik", is a remotely controlled system equipped with a set of necessary weapons and special equipment. An important feature of this product is the placement of all the necessary components and assemblies in a common building, placed on the roof of the base machine. Due to the removal of the module beyond the limits of the armored vehicles, it becomes possible to release significant volumes within the protected space, which can be used to install this or that equipment.

    "Petrels" are cunning, oh they are cunning. Because they carefully bypass the topic of bookmaker placement. And the exhibition sample of the module "Baikal" is shown without the BC.
    And the BC at their module is located ... under the tower - exactly in the center of the fighting compartment.

    However, one can understand the "petrels" - they have been trying to shove their 40-mm cannon into at least someone for more than 57 years. During this time, it turned from A-220 to AU-220M - and still no one takes it. smile
    1. +2
      3 September 2016 05: 07
      Without a programmable and even better - telescopic ammunition, this gun is in doubt, especially since it is not unique, there is a Bofors 57mm, with a modern ammunition.
  8. +4
    2 September 2016 12: 16
    Quote: Alexey RA
    However, one can understand the "petrels" - they have been trying to shove their 40-mm cannon into at least someone for more than 57 years. During this time, it turned from A-220 to AU-220M - and still no one takes it.


    57 mm is just the most versatile system for the MS department. Replaces a 30 mm gun, and if we refine the BP and 40 mm AG and 82 mm mortar - (create a composite low-ballistic projectile - up to 3 km, the sleeve allows), well, drive the helicopters, if necessary. BT (except tanks and TBTR) any at extreme distances, but tanks on board. Well, plus ATGM mounted.

    A bigger fuck is not needed - learn tactics.
    1. +5
      2 September 2016 13: 23
      Yeah ... and like any universal system, it will do everything equally badly.
      57-mm shell 82-mm mine will never replace.
      For firing on helicopters from systems of this caliber, you need a normal SUAO. This is not a 30 mm where you can adjust the fire on the highway.
      Plus a smaller BC, which is also diluted with a multitude of shells.
      We remove the 100 mm - we lose the normal OFS, which can quickly work out the field fortifications.
      1. +6
        2 September 2016 14: 41
        Compound charge of low ballistics (3 in one already wrote). I am an artilleryman (fired from ZIS-2) and I know what I'm saying.

        By helicopters. and not someone and does not burden the duty of the MS department to deal with air targets, as the main task. But to drive away (scare away) and a seriously noticed target at a distance of 10 km and closer is possible.

        100 mm, but why the hell, learn tactics, artillery works on the object (there are more fun calibers), then transfer of fire (the safe removal line is -400 m), this is where the BMP needs to work.
        ! 00 mm scares off its chain.
        57mm will allow approaching up to 150 meters, and already there our tanks are already at enemy positions.

        This system should ensure the fulfillment of the tasks of the squad, platoon. And the battle must be considered taking into account the interaction of all branches of the armed forces and forces.
        1. +4
          2 September 2016 22: 02
          Quote: chenia
          I am an artilleryman (fired from ZIS-2) and I know what I'm saying.
          Wow, an artilleryman, but does not know what ZIS-2 shoots.
          Neud sofa tioretik tongue
          scare away ... a noticed target at a distance of 10 km and closer, you can.

          Note to the theoretician - to destroy air targets, one weapon is not enough, yes ... We need to find, accompany and direct them with something else. The necessary response of the drives is needed, another set of avionics, and much more of what is not in this module.
          Still not good wassat


          100 mm, and fuck, Learn tactics
          100 mm will scare off your chain.
          57mm will allow approaching up to 150 meters, and already there our tanks are already at enemy positions

          Wow, what a tactic! Will you show the West Point graduate ring?
          Well, or can there be any document? About the fact that you are smarter than the Soviet Defense Ministry, the General Staff, and a whole team of designers (who cut down the "weaving" gun) combined?
          What, no? then again unsuccessful soldier
          Well, plus ATGM mounted.

          Peter? What is Ptur? belay There is no ptur on this module, well, it is necessary ... How so? Ah, also mounted?
          But our designers have not yet come up with this ...
          Eh, you're not happy again request
          This system should ensure the fulfillment of the tasks of the squad, platoon

          That's it. And shooting at helicopters at a distance of 12 km, by no means, is not included in the task list of the motorized infantry squad. But for a 100mm gun - just a breakthrough of goals.
          1. +7
            3 September 2016 00: 04
            First, DO NOT Poke, we did not serve in one regiment, I am 61 years old. AND WOW shows your snotty age.

            A composite projectile, low ballistics, is about the future (there are no such shells). The 57 mm camora is huge, the shell can hold up to 3 shells (the first remote, the rest of the striking action), the charge is up to 3 km scanty, this is necessary for shelling the attacked object (enemy trench) after transferring the fire of our artillery. and will allow its infantry to approach up to 150 m. The remaining PSUs are standard.

            100 mm will not allow this (safe removal of 250-300 m)

            The regiment has a means of detecting air targets, and if you are told the range and azimuth of what problems, then look into the optics, and if a raid on the column, then the blind will notice. And these are secondary functions.

            And the document is there.
            Weaving is needed for the Airborne Forces, but for you ignorant task why?
            1. +6
              3 September 2016 03: 46

              Quote: chenia

              A composite projectile, low ballistics, is about the future (there are no such shells).
              Well so there is no trial.
              The 57 mm camora is huge, the shell can hold up to 3 shells (the first remote, the rest of the striking action), the charge is up to 3 km scanty, this is necessary for shelling the attacked object (enemy trench) after transferring the fire of our artillery. and will allow its infantry to approach up to 150 m.
              Point by point:
              1) if the camera is huge and redundant - what is it for, if you have to specifically cut it? What was conceived as a high-ballistic anti-aircraft projectile turned into a low-ballistic projectile? Bullshit.
              2) the compound multipulite / multi-projectile ammunition showed its complete failure - the dispersion is monstrous.
              3) the said shell with dist. undermining implies the presence of this very projectile (netuti), there is no instrument capable of using it (programming) either;
              LMS with appropriate software - similarly absent
              Any lotions like barrel bending sensor, add. a radar that measures the speed and deflection of projectiles (see the MANTIS and Bofors 3P systems, how many lotions are there to effectively shoot these ammunition) - this is nothing at all. Well, since this is not there, then all this is your naive Wishlist.
              4) Firing to suppress "along the trench", firstly, is not included in the combat mission of the BMP - this time, and secondly - the 57mm fool simply does not have the required amount of ammunition, because they are HUGE.
              100 mm will not allow this (safe removal of 250-300 m)
              what nonsense? with what a fright? Yes, at 300m you can dance hopak, nothing will even move.
              And, you are probably from this sect, who believe that the F-1 has a 200m fragment spatter. Well then, yes, as much as 300m good
              But in reality, a thin-walled projectile of low ballistics, and even direct fire, forms a fragmentation field forward and on the sides, the earth absorbs fragments from the rear hemisphere.
              E-mine, you’re an artilleryman (in your words), do you really not know the common truths? In this picture, remember youth

              The regiment has a means of detecting air targets, and if you are told the range and azimuth of what problems, then look into the optics
              Seriously?!! To the optics? !! 10 km (according to your words)?
              And then shoot there? without target designation, unsuitable for this projectile? with precision plus or minus bast shoes. or two bast shoes what
              I'm afraid the dispersal will be already at 1,5 km a circle of 150 meters. So again, nonsense.
            2. +3
              3 September 2016 03: 55
              Quote: chenia
              First, DO NOT Poke, we did not serve in one regiment, I am 61 years old. And WOW shows your snotty age.

              There is not the slightest desire to speak to you, because, unfortunately, not all the past years add reason. To some, they add only insanity. Judging by the pearls of the "Artilleryman ZIS-2" - there was added marasmus hoo.
              And since no counterarguments have been given to my arguments ... well, I’ve also gone to the fourth dozen, I fall into childhood, WOW! I am excusable hi
  9. +6
    2 September 2016 12: 51
    Will the next improvement be in the form of an Iskander and an LED flashlight?
    Are we really talking about a reconnaissance vehicle? In general, there have always been other requirements for reconnaissance, such as: passability, noiselessness (ideally), stealth and the ability to notice everything, even what is well hidden, as well as speed, not unimportant, and not rare and the main thing is the ability to "shout" to base, bringing to their received data or call fire support. What's the point of a scout armed like a tank and with armor capable of protecting only from a machine gun bullet if they find out about his approach half an hour before he is ambushed and cannot inform his own ?! In such a situation, he will not even have time to make one shot. All that justified him was a "call to mom" so that at least the command would know where and how he died.
    It is sad that where it would seem possible to scroll with a screwdriver, we try to hammer with a hammer.
    1. +5
      2 September 2016 13: 11
      Indeed, more than 30 mm is not necessary for reconnaissance, but in the context I answered about this caliber in general.
      1. +1
        2 September 2016 14: 00
        Indeed, plus the ability to install MANPADS and ATGMs, in principle, it is enough to fight back and run away or to direct artillery with good communications and equipment for accurate target designation. But in this type of machines the issues of noiselessness and stealth have not yet been resolved, and as I understand it, questions about this are not yet in the first place. So they sculpt more artillery on the scout, as if it was not a means for reconnaissance, but a means of suppressing enemy firing points.
  10. +1
    2 September 2016 13: 35
    cool. what can you say
  11. +2
    2 September 2016 14: 28
    I won’t strictly judge, I didn’t sit under the bony, the first thing that catches your eye is the freelance (sorry, all low-level signalmen) shabby short-wave r / s (judging by the pin on the left wing liner), it will be demolished by a fragment (I pressed the transmission and the connection died forever and ever). If the photo is from the 80x archive, write, otherwise all the conversations on the HE about integrated systems of command and control systems lose their meaning. Large and bold minus the article and the author.
    If there are any idiots on the site who are excited about any announced novelty, then from 1-2%.
  12. +1
    2 September 2016 14: 33
    And by the way, Derivation. If the location of the tower is actually unimportant (well, almost unimportant). You can do what you wanted to do for a long time, move the engine forward, and move the tower back to maintain alignment.
    My opinion is the opinion of a couch expert, but the thought is correct :))
  13. +1
    2 September 2016 14: 38
    Does a reconnaissance vehicle need such firepower?
  14. +2
    2 September 2016 14: 47
    Soviet designers have always believed that the BRM should not clearly stand out among the combat vehicles on the battlefield. And such a caliber is a clear unmasking sign for armored reconnaissance, if it also hits, then in general "Atas!" will be, but not only to the enemy. And as an exhibition model, I treat such a model quite well, let the designers work, get their hands on, somewhere this experience will come in handy.
  15. 0
    2 September 2016 15: 46
    Previously, there were pictures in three versions of the lung-medium-heavy module, for different platforms. This lightweight, the middle still has 4 ATGM Cornets in retractable installations. But apparently, the BMP-3 will not pull it.
  16. +2
    2 September 2016 17: 14
    Quote: demiurg
    You can do what you wanted to do for a long time, move the engine forward, and move the tower back to maintain alignment.

    Can. But the tank or any armored vehicles are not designed for parquet tango. How do you expect to hit the enemy’s equipment or manpower if they jumped to a point on the ground and the enemy’s assets are below you ...
    The guys from under the armor will understand me. I will tell you popularly - there is such a concept as "blind zone". A tower or anything can of course be brought back, but how about hitting targets at a minus angle in elevation? Proposals such as deploy a tower aft, does not roll, there is no armor. Thanks for the question and thanks to me. (probably) .
    1. +1
      3 September 2016 05: 24
      Probably the same as it is implemented on all modern BMPs, CV9040, Puma, Bradley there and the engine is in front and everything is in order with the corners and dead zones. But on Barberry and Kurganets really BM is too far behind the center, for my taste.
  17. +2
    2 September 2016 18: 45
    New military equipment always inspires respect for the creators and pride in their country.
    When the earthquake in Spitak puzzled us, what would we like to offer to improve the quality of medical care in the focus of mass destruction and catastrophes. Of course, we were not the only ones to offer inflatable modules, folding compact stretchers, tires and much more. It would be interesting to get acquainted with the modern medical services of the Ministry of Emergencies and Moscow Region, can someone write a review article?
  18. 0
    2 September 2016 20: 58
    In general, it’s not clear that Kurgan will completely replace BMP-2 and BMP-3? if so then why these bmp-3 experiments? Or the BRM-3 will remain at the base of the BMP-3, and all the rest will switch to Kurgan. And why we do not see the Kurgan with a 57mm gun.
    1. 0
      24 February 2017 14: 04
      What about export? In Somalia / Sudan Papuans to drive - that’s it! There, the louder the shot, the steeper.
      1. 0
        24 February 2017 23: 14
        For such countries it is very expensive, you can drive the T-55 there, and instead of installing a 100mm gun put a 57mm anti-aircraft gun, they will buy it with joy.
  19. 0
    3 September 2016 00: 57
    It turns out a light and mobile tank - wedge heel. Which will definitely be able to stand up for itself in any situation.
  20. +7
    3 September 2016 09: 10
    For those who like large barrels, let me remind you of one of the scouts' principles: "Where shooting begins, scouting ends there."
    Whatever they do on the basis of the BRM-3K, in the end it will not be a reconnaissance vehicle.
    The BRM does not need a 57 mm gun at all, but a lifting rod for reconnaissance systems and UAVs.
  21. +3
    3 September 2016 09: 33
    psiho117,

    Here, I have read popular military literature, and stinks throughout the county. Moral ugliness is a sign of a lack of mind.

    Really? even though hopak dancing, I think and why the heck do the transfer of fire, then the enemy will definitely not be up to the attackers.
    It is necessary to forward such heroes forward under your own breaks ..

    Stupid attackers are supported by artillery (this period is called artillery support (more broadly, fire) attacks) for at least 100 trunks per km. and (serious 120-152 mm) and why the hell do you need with your bundle. You won’t take your break. Behind the BMP line can go Vienna, Chrysanthemum, etc., allocated (now this is already battalion artillery) for direct fire fire. Moreover, when transferring fire, they also no longer hit in front of our chain.

    And only after the transfer of fire (400m). BMP starts to work. and other platoon weapons — machine-gun fire, AGS, so that the enemy does not actively protrude.

    And what is the task of the department? Take the first trench occupied by part of the enemy’s squad. If in the know, a reinforced platoon attacks the squad.
    I’m not talking about higher formations; your small brain can not stand it.
    Learn first BUSV (part three).

    A large chamber is needed for high ballistic shells. The cannon has a wide range of tasks to be performed (and a composite projectile, which is not there, but you can create it, only part of the ammunition tank).
    By the way, the installation of 57 mm on the BMP was considered at the end of 80 (you may not know this because of your young age).

    Shooting at air targets serves to REFLECT an air attack. The compartment, even with small arms, must fire at air targets (see Charter). Just the possibilities of 57 mm are much larger.
  22. +3
    3 September 2016 15: 25
    BMP-3 tower, with paired cannons 100mm and 30mm better than any Baikal. The 57mm gun will not produce such a high-explosive effect as the standard 100mm BMP-3 gun, which will lead to a decrease in the combat capabilities of the machine.
  23. +1
    3 September 2016 17: 29
    For the critics of 57mm, I want to remind you that modern local wars are not a hassle in the field, but a struggle for settlements and fights in a city where 30mm in efficiency does not compare to this caliber. With regards to the BRM, I agree here, this caliber is redundant, it is necessary on heavy BMPs and BMPTs. Basically, I agree with Vyacheslav Khalitov (UVZ), it is necessary to create modular-type armored compounds, where each individual module consists of the necessary range of weapons to ensure independent combat operations with any type of warring means.
  24. +1
    4 September 2016 07: 26
    The practice of recent decades has shown that the technique is used more in settlements than in the open field ... and 30 mm cannons are not enough to destroy the enemy. Only in the description there is no possibility of installing active protection of the machine, but it will not hurt.
  25. 0
    4 September 2016 17: 44
    And what is bad about the combat module "Bakhcha" which is on the BMP 3. In my amateur opinion, 100mm is much better than 57mm
  26. 0
    5 September 2016 01: 37
    psiho117, I think chena shot from ZIS-3, the most common model of the time of the Second World War. ZIS-2 was produced limitedly, the main task was to fight tanks. For ZIS-3 they used a well-developed gun mount ZIS-2. All of the development of Grabin. of ZIS-2 is worthy of being noted in the Guinness book
    1. +3
      5 September 2016 10: 25
      I shot from the ZIS-2 57 mm (1973, the first course of the first firing-direct fire), and at the same time from the 85 mm D-44, and T-12,.
      And then ZIS-3 but PDO (this system and in linear parts is a substitute).

      The fact that this system (ZIS-2 and ZIS-3 was not particularly studied (only familiarized), then yes.

      Melon is acceptable for the Airborne Forces, and for simple motorized rifle excess. The squad is attacking 50 m of trenches and 3-4 enemy fighters, the unit of which (GP) previously threw a shell of shells and our tanks are already approaching. And it is necessary that these fighters do not protrude, hammering tanks from the RPG. Enemy reinforcements a tank, several infantry fighting vehicles (not affected by artillery preparation and artillery support) are the goal of our entire company and, first of all, its amplification means. And more precisely, these are the primary goals during the artillery preparation and for our other means of destruction.

      It is impossible to compare systems only by their fire capabilities, but by tasks taking into account interaction.
  27. 0
    6 September 2016 15: 12
    How will this machine destroy a tank? There is a better module with 2A42 and 4 ATGM Cornet.
  28. 0
    19 January 2017 13: 15
    Interesting. and how many BRM-3Ks were produced. In order to upgrade them already, the BMD-4 also did not have time to mass-produce. As the BMD-4M appeared, it seems that our military-industrial complex in the field of armored vehicles is more creative than mass production. The modules are different, self-propelled guns on different chassis in the form of layouts.