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ATCM "Cornet-EM" was tested

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The project of a promising anti-tank missile system "Cornet-EM" passed one of the final stages. This system has coped with all the necessary tests, the results of which will address the issue of adopting and deploying mass production for deliveries to the troops. Thus, in the foreseeable future, the fleet of ground vehicles can be replenished with new anti-tank complexes, characterized by high mobility and high combat qualities.


At the end of last week, domestic media reported on ongoing work in the framework of the Cornet-EM project. With reference to unnamed sources in the Ministry of Defense, it was asserted that military specialists successfully completed tests of the new anti-tank system. The products presented for inspections successfully coped with the tasks assigned to them, showing their capabilities. According to the test results, it can be argued that the new Kornet-EM anti-tank system is in a high degree of technical readiness. In the near future it is planned to complete all the necessary work, after which the complex can be officially put into service and ordered for deliveries to the troops.

Shortly before the advent of such News A promising missile system demonstrated its capabilities during demonstration events. The first public demonstration of the combat work of the Kornet-EM anti-aircraft missile system took place as part of the international competition for the calculation of anti-aircraft troops "Keys to Heaven", held at the Ashuluk training ground. Calculation of the complex made four launches of guided missiles, affecting all conventional targets. According to the results of these events, the promising complex was highly appreciated by the command of the Aerospace Forces.


ATGM "Cornet-EM" self-propelled. Photo Bastion-karpenko.narod.ru


Recall, the Kornet-EM anti-tank missile system, created by the Tula Instrument Engineering Design Bureau, is the latest development of the Kornet family and differs from its predecessors in a number of innovations aimed at improving the main characteristics. Thus, due to the use of upgraded missiles, it was possible to significantly increase the firing range, and one of the variants of the system is proposed to be built on the basis of an automobile chassis, which significantly improves the basic operational characteristics.

The Kornet-EM anti-tank systems (the notation Kornet-D and Kornet-D1 were also used) can use two types of launchers. Direct development of existing units has become a portable system designed for transportation by the forces of calculation. In this configuration, the complex uses a tripod with attachments for control systems and one transport and launch container with a missile. When assembled, such a launcher weighs about 35 kg, excluding ammunition. Despite the need to carry, such a variant of the missile system has all the necessary equipment and is able to fully accomplish the combat missions set, albeit with some minor restrictions.

Another version of the Cornet-EM complex, also referred to as Cornet-D1, was best known. This version of the anti-tank complex is built on the basis of a self-propelled chassis, which can significantly improve its mobility, as well as improve the basic combat characteristics. First of all, there is a significant increase in the portable ammunition, as well as the possibility of attacking two targets simultaneously by the forces of a single combat vehicle.

ATCM "Cornet-EM" was tested
Portable version of the complex. Photo Kbptula.ru


As the basis for the self-propelled missile system, an armored car of the Tiger family with the wheel formula 4х4 is used. Inside the cabin of this machine is set a variety of devices and systems necessary to accomplish the attack of targets using guided missiles. Thus, a console is mounted on the workplace of the operator of the complex to control the existing systems. In addition, two missile launchers are placed in the stern of the vehicle.

The launcher for self-propelled ATGM consists of several basic elements. Four transport-launch containers of rockets are mounted on a common rack, under which there is a block of optical-electronic equipment necessary for searching for targets and controlling missiles. The supporting device of the launcher is equipped with actuators for raising to the combat position with the output of the missiles outside the hull of the base machine. After firing, the launcher may return to the interior of the hull. In this case, the hatch in the roof of the car is covered with a lid placed on the launcher.

The use of two launchers of the new design gives the self-propelled complex a number of advantages. First of all, it is necessary to note a relatively large ready-to-use ammunition consisting of eight missiles in two installations. In addition, up to eight containers with rockets can be stored inside the base machine. Reloading launchers must be performed by the crew manually, after cleaning the systems in the transport position.


Scheme of anti-tank missiles 9М133М-2. Figure Kbptula.ru


The two Kornet-EM launchers are equipped with their own optical-electronic systems, which increases the combat potential of the complex. Using separate systems, the crew has the ability to simultaneously fire two different targets. In this case, for the attack of each of them is responsible for the equipment of a separate launcher.

The optical-electronic launcher system has a high-resolution television and thermal imaging cameras, as well as a laser rangefinder with a missile guidance function. The composition of the missile control system also includes an operator’s console with a monitor for outputting the video signal, automatic target tracking and a set of other equipment. Available equipment allows you to search for targets in any weather conditions and at any time of the day. Search and attack of stationary and mobile targets, including aerial ones at altitudes up to several kilometers, are provided. Provision is made for the use of a remote control that allows the operator of the complex to move away from the combat vehicle a distance of up to 50 m.

As part of the Cornet-EM project, several new modifications of existing guided missiles were developed. These products have a similar design and principles of operation, however, they differ in their main combat characteristics, which is caused by the types of combat units used. Regardless of the modification, the missiles of the complex are placed in a transport and launch container with a length of 1,21 m. The mass of the missile in a container is no more than 33 kg. Rockets have a similar design and layout of internal volumes, but some products of the family differ in their characteristic features. Cylindrical corps of rockets with a streamlined head and tail section of reduced diameter are used. In the head part of the body, arrow-shaped steering wheels are placed, in the tail - stabilizers.


9М133ФМ-2 rocket scheme with thermobaric warhead. Figure Kbptula.ru


The control system of the complex’s missiles is unified. Guidance is carried out in semi-automatic mode using a laser beam. The operator or automatic target tracking must hold the aiming mark on the target, directing the laser beam control to it. In the tail of the rocket is placed the radiation receiver used to determine the deviation from the desired trajectory. An important advantage of such a guidance system is the extreme difficulty of countering a guided missile. The suppression of the control channel is almost impossible.

For the destruction of armored vehicles ATGM "Cornet-EM" must use a guided missile 9М133М-2. In the head and tail parts of the body of this product are placed the elements of a tandem warhead, between which there is a solid propellant engine. Anti-tank ammunition can fly at speeds up to 300 m / s to a distance of up to 8 km and punch up to 1300 mm of homogeneous armor behind dynamic protection.

A variant of the anti-tank missile is the product 9М133ФМ-2, which is distinguished by the type of warhead. While maintaining the main features of the predecessor’s design, this rocket receives a thermobaric warhead placed at the site of the main shaped charge. The head compartment, in turn, is released. The flight characteristics of the 9М133ФМ-2 rocket correspond to the parameters 9М133М-2. The warhead has an effect on the target equivalent to a high-explosive charge in the form of 10 kg of TNT.


Scheme of the rocket 9М133ФМ-3. Figure Kbptula.ru


An improved version was created based on existing guided missiles. weapons under the designation 9М133ФМ-3. From the point of view of design, such a rocket differs markedly from other weapons of the Cornet-EM complex, and also has higher characteristics. First of all, the layout of the internal hull volumes was changed. Now, the warhead is located behind the head equipment compartment, behind which there is an oversized solid-fuel motor with increased traction characteristics. The placement of the instrument compartments has not changed.

The 9М133ФМ-3 rocket in TPK weighs 33 kg while maintaining the dimensions at the same level. Due to the new engine, the maximum flight speed was increased to 320 m / s. The maximum firing range is 10 km. Inside the body is placed a high-explosive warhead weighing 7 kg.

The presence of three missiles with different characteristics allows the calculation of the Kornet-EM ATGM system, regardless of its execution, to choose the ammunition that corresponds to the type of target and hit it with the greatest efficiency. Thanks to this portable or self-propelled missile system is able to deal with enemy armored vehicles with a high level of protection, with unprotected equipment, fortifications and manpower. At the same time, protected targets are destroyed at distances up to 8 km, while the 7-kg high-explosive warhead can be delivered to the 10 km distance. In the case of a self-propelled missile system, simultaneous firing of two missiles of one launcher at the same target is ensured. With the joint use of both installations, the Cornet-EM machine can lead to targets of up to four rockets simultaneously.


Launchers self-propelled complex "Cornet-EM". Photo Arms-expo.ru


According to various sources, the Kornet-EM ATGM has been developed since the end of the last decade. Already in 2011, the system was submitted to tests that lasted for several years. The test took place as a portable version of the complex, and the system mounted on a self-propelled chassis. Shortly after the start of testing, samples of promising equipment were included in the expositions of various exhibitions of weapons and military equipment. In addition, 9 May 2015, the Cornet-EM complexes for the first time took part in a parade on Red Square.

According to the latest domestic media reports, the currently temporary Kornet-EM anti-tank missile system has passed the necessary tests, which brings the project completion moment closer, and in the near future should lead to the adoption of the system and the start of its mass production with deliveries vehicles to the troops. However, the specific deadlines for completing the necessary work have not yet been specified.

Adoption of the latest anti-tank missile system is expected to significantly increase the potential of the ground forces in the fight against enemy armored vehicles, as well as expand the range of tasks they solve. The development of the Cornet-EM complexes will provide an opportunity to increase the range of target destruction, as well as expand the circle of objects being destroyed.


On the materials of the sites:
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  1. corporal
    corporal 31 August 2016 06: 20
    +6
    As far as I understand, we didn’t get to the principle of "shoot and forget".
    Put two separate installations on the car and talk about a breakthrough and modernization, have you learned from jumpers or what? And not ten round the hull? It would be even cooler. wassat
    In short, D.B. (c) Lavrov.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 August 2016 07: 00
      +5
      As far as I understand, we didn’t get to the principle of "shoot and forget".

      Such a missile is easier to fool. And dear would have turned out.
      Put two separate installations on the car and talk about a breakthrough and modernization, have you learned from jumpers or what?

      Something no one thought of putting two ATGM launchers of this type on one machine. Maximum one, and that "single-barreled" - talking about TOW, if that. And look at their dimensions ... eerie monsters. And here, 8 missiles, on a relatively light SUV.
      And not ten round the hull? It would be even cooler

      In fact, this is a lightweight version of Chrysanthemum. Eight missiles will be enough if you do not knock out a column of armored vehicles, then strongly pat it.
      1. Dinko
        Dinko 31 August 2016 07: 18
        +3
        The comparison with Chrysanthemum is not correct. There the rockets are more powerful and it shoots almost in the machine gun.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 August 2016 07: 42
          +2
          Why is it not correct. I clearly wrote - a lightweight version. This applies to missiles, and platforms, and control systems.
      2. Professor
        Professor 31 August 2016 08: 09
        +7
        Such a missile is easier to fool. And dear would have turned out.

        And have you deceived a lot? wink By the way, Cornet is already not cheap. About 40 tons of American rubles per click. That's just without the seeker the probability of hitting the target at a distance of 8-10 km is not great.

        And here, 8 missiles, on a relatively light SUV.

        The low probability of a hit has to be compensated for by a large number of missiles.

        There is no alternative to a missile with GOS and Russia will soon have one. Already have China.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 August 2016 08: 53
          +3
          But only without the seeker the probability of hitting the target at a distance of 8-10 km is not great.

          Isn't that great? If the hands of the operator tremble, then of course. What makes you think that laser-guided anti-tank systems have low accuracy? Where they point there and get.
          And have you deceived a lot?

          Any autonomous guidance system has its limits. IR GOS do not work well on bunkers, and radars do not see everything that is less than the wavelength of the locator. Optical can be fooled by disguise and ordinary smoke.

          Here, apparently, they went the way of least resistance. Cheap, great accuracy, easy to operate. And if you put the GOS everywhere, they will quickly find control in the face of mobile electronic warfare stations that will drive this head crazy.
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 August 2016 09: 12
            +8
            Isn't that great? If the hands of the operator tremble, then of course. What makes you think that laser-guided anti-tank systems have low accuracy? Where they point there and get.

            Not great, not great.
            1. You can easily calculate the deviation of the laser beam at a distance of 10 km if you reject the PU only 1 micrometer. Something is not visible gyro-stabilized platform on the Tiger and the shaking hands of the operator have nothing to do with it.
            2. PU uses optics with 20x magnification. You try to consider the target in such an increase of 10 km.
            3. As the rocket moves away from the launcher and approaches the target, accuracy decreases. In the third generation, the exact opposite is true. After all, the eyes there are not only on the PU, but also on the rocket.

            Any autonomous guidance system has its limits. IR GOS do not work well on bunkers, and radars do not see everything that is less than the wavelength of the locator. Optical can be fooled by disguise and ordinary smoke.

            You do not take offense at me, but you wrote nonsense. IKs have been working well for long before on bunkers. Even the ancient Javelin does this successfully. Watch the video from Afghanistan. No one sees less than half the wavelength, neither optical nor radiation. Disguise equally affects all generations, especially the first and second. The third has advantages. As the rocket approaches the target, the target can be better viewed and adjusted. About the smoke is generally funny. It’s practically no hindrance to the thermal imaging seeker.

            Here, apparently, they went the way of least resistance. Cheap, great accuracy, easy to operate. And if you put the GOS everywhere, they will quickly find control in the face of mobile electronic warfare stations that will drive this head crazy.

            Yes, by the least resistance due to the lack of a GOS. Not cheap, 40 kilobax per click. The accuracy is not large and inversely proportional to the firing range. Not the ability to fire a target out of line of sight. Shot and sit wait until it hits. There is no way for a rocket to make a slide and hit a tank in the roof. Here, only in the forehead and not the fact that penetration of 1300 mm of homogeneous armor will be enough. About EW generally amused. Javelin has no feedback at all, most Spikes have it via fiber optic cable. What are we going to jam?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 31 August 2016 09: 27
              +3
              You can easily calculate the deviation of the laser beam at a distance of 10 km if you reject the PU just at the 1 micrometer.

              And as if nothing, that stabilization is not in the Tiger, but an aiming device. A missile will fall a few centimeters to the left or right of no one cares.
              PU uses optics with 20 magnification. You try to consider the target in such an increase on 10 km.

              Easily.
              As the rocket moves away from the launcher and approaches the target, accuracy decreases

              Why all of a sudden? A rocket flies on a reflected beam, not a beam. And reflection is still some kind of spot with a diameter larger than the beam itself.
              IKs have been working well for long before on bunkers. Even the ancient Javelin does this successfully.
              Oh ... has Javelin already become ancient? In general, it is programmed to detonate at a certain distance from the shooter. What does IR have to do with it?
              As the rocket approaches the target, the target can be better viewed and adjusted.

              What is it like? The missile itself will consider and determine where to hit?
              It’s practically no hindrance to the thermal imaging seeker.

              Oh really? Are we still talking about the GOS or are we already connecting the operator?
              Not the ability to fire a target out of line of sight.

              You might think your favorite American ATGMs only do that roller coaster and hit tanks exclusively on the roof.
              Javelin doesn’t have any feedback at all, most Spikes have it via fiber optic cable

              Are we talking about GOS or have operators already connected? Javelin is packed with electronics, which can put EM interference, and if Spike has a cable, then what for is there a GOS?

              Professor, let us nevertheless compare the like with the like. And not a laser-guided Cornet against Javelin with GOS. Ash stumps are different systems.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 23 October 2016 09: 56
                +2
                Quote: Wedmak
                Professor, let us nevertheless compare the like with the like. And not a laser-guided Cornet against Javelin with GOS. Ash stumps are different systems.

                “The Witcher, they compare different hover systems for effectiveness.” A tiger with a wolf or a bear cannot be compared either, but somehow the same boar is a shit, or rather, not a shit, the wolves have a chance to fight back, therefore the boar compared and will compare the incomparable laughing And a comparison in terms of effectiveness shows that in the same Syria, and in the Lebanese-Israeli war, in real conditions, that the same Kornet ATGM is in no way inferior to either Spike or Javelin. What the Professor points out, on which the Cornet CAN THEORETICALLY be inferior to these two systems, in reality (and we observe reality now in the same Syria) DOES NOT HAVE any value. That the operator while aiming the Cornet could be a target himself? Was there even one such case? Well, there were no old tanks, but not even under the Kornet, the same newest "Abrams" of Saudi Arabia fell under the more outdated systems, and the operator completely left himself safe and sound! Thus, the likelihood of becoming a target while you "drive" the ATGM (remember those seconds during the attack in a Russian helicopter, when one pilot yells to the other "Hold! Hold! Hold! Hold! Good !!! laughing ) is a contrived problem. No, of course, when the Professor develops recognition algorithms, which a word of three letters on a fence and on a piece of paper will cease to be considered completely different objects, and the algorithms invented by him will become publicly available when the cost of microprocessors falls by some more (falling prices for microprocessors - very stable process) and when some materials used in the production of GOS materials find a cheaper replacement - then it will be possible to think about creating ATGM missiles "fire and forget", why not? And now to shoot Spike at the T-55 is stupidity that only Israel can afford. Why shouldn't they allow themselves? Hyper-rich tribesmen rule America and hold a printing press - why not shoot a T-55 with Spike?
            2. VP
              VP 31 August 2016 18: 37
              0
              And where does the information about the cost of "clicking a button" come from?
        2. Forest
          Forest 31 August 2016 10: 49
          +2
          We are not developing ATGM with GOS, so we will launch a missile both through 10 and through 20 years.
        3. Stiletto_711
          Stiletto_711 1 September 2016 21: 27
          0
          About 40 tons of American rubles per click


          Professor, this is the commercial price for the foreign market, which has a very distant relation to cost.
          About 40 - it turns out up to 400 ?! Professor, is it possible to conclude a contract in the interests of the IDF? laughing
      3. Skubudu
        Skubudu 31 August 2016 09: 48
        +3
        It all depends on who to use all this good for, if for blind Arabs who, as events in Syria show, do not see the launch of ATGM missiles and do not know about their approach until they hit, they can be burned at a rate of 1 rocket = 1 unit of equipment.
        And if we say a shot along Merkava with Trophy on board, this launch / irradiation / launch of a rocket will be detected and Cornet’s calculation will immediately fly a return gift that will most likely destroy it and interrupt the flight of missiles, because they are controlled by an operator who is killed or injured ( not able to launch missiles).
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 August 2016 10: 53
        +7
        "Eight missiles will be enough if you don't knock out the convoy
        armored vehicles, then shake it hard. "////

        Those. You assume that the jeep will stand and wag
        a column of armored vehicles within line of sight, and those ears clap? smile

        Advantages of launching ATGMs (what Cornet, What Tou) from the ground
        in that the launcher and the operator are difficult to detect.
        Jeep and armored personnel carriers are a completely different matter. They are easily detected.
        If a jeep fired long-range ATGMs with GOS out of line of sight,
        then is another matter.
      5. Xroft
        Xroft 31 August 2016 16: 36
        +5
        The funny thing is that when the Americans put variations on their hummers it is called squalor that will die in the first confrontation with the enemy’s equipment (or indicate a low cross-country ability of the wheeled version of the equipment) And if ours do it then it’s super mega and so on.
        What did Chrysanthemum not please? it is already almost not in service.
      6. jasorgho
        jasorgho 6 September 2016 01: 28
        +1
        thought of:
        https://topwar.ru/16251-belorussko-ukrainskiy-mob
        ilnyy-ptrk-karakal.html
    2. Rozmyssel
      Rozmyssel 31 August 2016 07: 37
      +1
      What tactics will these mechanized Cornets use? Will they create shelves for these machines and put them on tank-dangerous directions, along with the Chrysanthemums? To try all this in a stole in the DNI.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 August 2016 08: 11
        +2
        What tactics will these mechanized Cornets use?

        Well, at least they’ll pass the Airborne Forces. The tiger seems to be completely landing itself.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 August 2016 08: 11
        0
        What tactics will these mechanized Cornets use?

        Well, at least they’ll pass the Airborne Forces. The tiger seems to be completely landing itself.
      3. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 August 2016 08: 11
        0
        What tactics will these mechanized Cornets use?

        Well, at least they’ll pass the Airborne Forces. The tiger seems to be completely landing itself.
    3. venik
      venik 31 August 2016 08: 16
      +2
      Reply to "corporal"

      Lord! Yes, you were given these "shot and forget" !!! Do you seriously think that a country that was a pioneer in the field of MANPADS creation, and still produces some of the best samples of this weapon in the world (Igla and Verba), is not able to develop anti-tank weapons working on the same principle?
      It’s just that there were apparently no such tasks - it is too expensive and difficult both in production and in operation! And the question of efficiency - sorry, very controversial ...
      1. corporal
        corporal 31 August 2016 09: 02
        +1
        venik
        Do you really think

        I do not think I see the result.
        venik
        And the question of efficiency - sorry, very controversial ...

        It is debatable to try to laser illuminate the target at 10 km on the battlefield.
        Wedmak
        Eight missiles will be enough if you do not knock out a column of armored vehicles, then strongly pat it.

        Excuse me, are we about the ambush actions of the partisans (DRG), or about a head-on collision of two warring parties?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 31 August 2016 09: 28
          0
          It is debatable to try to laser illuminate the target at 10 km on the battlefield.
          Wedmak

          These are not my words!
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 August 2016 10: 56
        +8
        "And the question of efficiency - sorry, very controversial" ////

        Effectiveness has recently been demonstrated.
        in Nagorno-Karabakh.
        Armenian tanks stood in trenches with smoking top hatches -
        such a long-range ATGM "fire-forget" hit each one.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 31 August 2016 12: 29
          +1
          I agree. The superiority of new anti-inflammatory drugs was clearly demonstrated. It was a specific situation and in it ammunition barrage proved to be excellent. I think our comrades are watching and analyzing what is happening. For five years now, China has had an analogue of spike, the Serbs were going to do something. We are waiting for our solution to the problem, but Cornet is very good and he will serve him for a long time.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 1 September 2016 13: 00
            +4
            "but the Cornet is quite good and it will serve for a long time." ////

            It's right. It’s pretty simple and powerful rocket, and from an ambush
            you can bang the tank for a sweet soul.
            1. Former battalion commander
              Former battalion commander 4 November 2016 20: 37
              0
              All "fire and forget" complexes against armored vehicles equipped with a primitive means of the "President" type (now used on airplanes and helicopters, but nothing prevents them from being used on tanks or infantry fighting vehicles) lose ALL their combat effectiveness. Their heads are EASILY BLINDED by the oncoming laser beam and are taken away. And against this means (scrap), "shot and forgot" has no and NEVER WILL be received (counteraction). And your pollutions on the "efficiency" of such complexes are groundless. Such complexes can be used only against bunkers or those not equipped with countermeasures.
              1. serverny
                serverny 16 January 2017 13: 12
                0
                primitive means like "President"

                So primitive that they are not even equipped with all helicopters in Syria. Most likely because they can’t afford. And by the way, even those equipped successfully shot down, as can be seen from the downed Mi-8 with the officers of the reconciliation center.

                As if the cost of the equipment of the armored personnel carrier with these "eggs" was not higher than the cost of the armored personnel carrier. Plus it won't help against remotely controlled "Spikes".
  2. Dinko
    Dinko 31 August 2016 06: 53
    +1
    Excellent equipment with a range of up to 10 km and great accuracy. Keep it up!
  3. Olena
    Olena 31 August 2016 08: 52
    0
    -I'm not an expert., But it’s already obvious that the rocket flies relatively slowly ... -see all its flight ...
    -It will not hit a flying target ...-unless this flying target will be motionless on the ground ... -Yes, and in a moving tank too ... -very difficult to get ... -And if it is a modern tank with very good "protection" ... -Yes, at least the same Israeli tank. , with its sophisticated protection and "oncoming missiles" ...
    -That, maybe for bandits, such as ISIS, who watch for lonely standing tanks, such a complex will be just right ... -And for a modern army, this is "yesterday" ... -Yes, and "very expensive yesterday" ...
    -The Chinese have already begun to outstrip us ... in this respect ... -They have everything "similar" -the HJ-12 complex ...- much cheaper, and the quality is the same ... or even better ...- they are already there on this HJ-12 complex "fired - forgot" ... - Soon they will make their own S-400 ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 August 2016 09: 02
      +1
      but you can see that the rocket flies relatively slowly ... apparently its entire flight ...

      You can see this because you know where the rocket is flying from and where. Now imagine that a rocket flies out of any hidden place at 360 degrees around. Even if you notice it, by some miracle, you will not have time to react.
      She will not hit a flying target ..

      Low-flying and hovering helicopters, moving tanks and armored vehicles are hit if the operator can hold the laser mark on them. The Merkava is well protected, but does everyone have a Merkava? And if 2-3 missiles fly from different directions? Will the Merkava defense succeed?
      The Chinese are already ahead of us

      Some samples are really better. But they did not get ahead of us yet. It is not yet known how their vaunted HJ-12 will work under the conditions of electronic warfare and other counteraction.
      1. Olena
        Olena 31 August 2016 10: 25
        +1
        -According to "cost", "cost", "productivity" ... -the Chinese have long been ahead of us ... -All the latest Russian weapons are very expensive in their production ..., cannot be mass-produced (only "by the piece" -as in handicraft production); and very slowly and literally in tiny batches it is supplied to the troops ... -As if only states like the states - Liechtenstein, Monaco, Nauru, Vatican, etc. - can resist Russia ... -where you can fight with one or two military aircraft and five tanks .. ...
        -Near Russia there is “countless China”, from which “hungry saliva drips” from its fangs, even when it “smiles” ... -with its army equipped with new weapons, which barely fits into tens of millions (we can even talk about hundreds of millions) ... - It's not even worth talking about NATO ...
        -And Russia ... -with its own "piece weapon" ... -Yes, by the way, where does it suddenly come from several Kornet installations on one enemy tank, and even "2-3 missiles from different sides." .? - So far, in the Russian army, "everything new" is measured only "in pieces" ...
  4. Professor
    Professor 31 August 2016 09: 56
    +6
    Wedmak,
    And as if nothing, that stabilization is not in the Tiger, but an aiming device. A missile will fall a few centimeters to the left or right of no one cares.

    I do not see a gyro-stabilized platform on the PU. Can you show us? And the missile will hit not a few centimeters to the left or right, but several meters.

    Easily.

    I envy you. I have a Zeiss spyglass and I can’t always see a vehicle with a 20x magnification which vehicle patrols the border ~ 10 km from me. About my old LOMO spyglass, I will not write at all.

    Why all of a sudden? A rocket flies on a reflected beam, not a beam. And reflection is still some kind of spot with a diameter larger than the beam itself.

    No. A rocket does not fly on a reflected beam, the rocket has no seeker. The missile goes along the laser path and the accuracy is inversely proportional to the distance. Materiel.

    Oh ... has Javelin already become ancient? In general, it is programmed to detonate at a certain distance from the shooter. What does IR have to do with it?

    Javelin ancient, in service for 20 years. And it is not programmed like that. For whom am I here translating and uploading the materiel about Javelin? Would be honored at leisure. Javelin successfully hits wagons in Afghanistan.

    What is it like? The missile itself will consider and determine where to hit?

    There are operator eyes for this.


    Oh really? Are we still talking about the GOS or are we already connecting the operator?

    Really. Smoke is a weak obstacle to the thermal imager. Video upload?

    You might think your favorite American ATGMs only do that roller coaster and hit tanks exclusively on the roof.

    Bill2 is my favorite. All complexes of the third generation can hit the roof. Some people don't need line of sight. They hit "over the hill". Materiel.

    Are we talking about GOS or have operators already connected? Javelin is packed with electronics, which can put EM interference, and if Spike has a cable, then what for is there a GOS?

    What kind of interference? In which spectrum?
    Feedback as an option for more flexibility.


    Professor, let us nevertheless compare the like with the like. And not a laser-guided Cornet against Javelin with GOS. Ash stumps are different systems.

    Yes? Both anti-tank systems, only one of the second generation, and the other of the third with all the consequences. If you go along your path, then the Cornet can only be compared with the TOU of the 1970 model year.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 August 2016 15: 13
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      With Toe, not only 70 years old, but the modernized 80s and 90s (without wires and with thermal imagers, which). And compare the weight / range / power. With the lack of production of thermal imaging arrays and a modern element base, it is impossible to produce ATGMs of the 3rd generation. Considering the lag in this area of ​​the Russian Federation from Western countries and the impossibility of purchasing the missing element base (20-30 years), it is very correct to continue improving the 2nd generation ATGM. Judging by the news that the Russian Federation is launching the production of missing elements, then wait for the next 5-10 years for the appearance of the 3rd generation of ATGMs (probably 3+ already).
      1. Professor
        Professor 31 August 2016 15: 25
        +2
        It is the 70s. In Cornet, the same tandem warhead. There are no shock nuclei striking on the roof on it. There is no magnetometer. There is no laser profilometer.
        Why then immediately not the 4th or 5th generation? Walk like a walk. wassat
        Speaking of sanctions. So far, there has not been a single real sanction against Russia. The bourgeoisie both sold equipment and are selling it. on which equipment does your semiconductor industry work for?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 31 August 2016 15: 38
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          If they will create it now, then it’s silly to do it again yesterday. An example will be taken from the best in the market. And the United States, as it turned out, is buying semiconductors from China. It’s more difficult to track their sale; they are used a lot in civilian life. More or less sophisticated chips (industrial and military) were banned from supply, as were thermal imagers. With the warhead, the most interesting thing is that the ammunition with the cumulative core of the Russian Federation produces, but in ATGMs they are not used, as well as the defeat of the target in the upper hemisphere, even within the line of sight.
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 August 2016 15: 43
            +3
            The United States buys everything from everyone. Their pride does not torment. The same Carl Gustav buy.
            In order to place the attack core on the ATGM, the rocket itself should not rotate in flight. The same story with GOS. In Russia EMNIP all ATGMs in flight rotate.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 31 August 2016 15: 54
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              Well, just, without a core, why can't we get into the roof?
              The USA can buy everything everywhere, but we cannot. Is it about pride, or what? But we can use weapons against whom we deem necessary and we can produce as much as we need and deliver to whoever needs it .... Take the Mistral for example, our pride did not allow us to buy a ready-made sample or is it some kind of secret cruiser? And the French stopped supplying matrices to tank thermal imagers ... In many ways, they are to blame, all the machines and licenses had to be purchased 15 years ago ...
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 31 August 2016 15: 40
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          Professor, but like me and you to the captains in the rank of demoted ...? I don’t understand.
          1. Professor
            Professor 31 August 2016 15: 45
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            I do not follow virtual shoulder straps. The administration writes that it has changed the system of ranks - a lot of marshals divorced. They made a denomination. soldier
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 31 August 2016 15: 54
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              I, too, but from general to captains, it’s somehow strong.
        3. Stiletto_711
          Stiletto_711 1 September 2016 21: 39
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          There are no shock nuclei striking on the roof


          Enlighten, why bother with a shock core if the power of the warhead is enough to hit a target in any projection?
          1. Professor
            Professor 2 September 2016 12: 25
            +1
            Enlighten, why bother with a shock core if the power of the warhead is enough to hit a target in any projection?

            Just the same in any? wink And in the forehead? And through the bars? But the impact core on the roof is no obstacle.

            So I see, the Professor from the roof of the house shoots spike-amid shahidmobili bars across the border, this will be expensive

            Shas. Throw all the optics from the balcony and start tossing around dope. bully

            Professor, this is the commercial price for the foreign market, which has a very distant relation to cost.

            I believe. The prime cost of them is also 2 orders of magnitude lower and the sales payoff is 10%. wassat
            1. Stiletto_711
              Stiletto_711 2 September 2016 23: 11
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              Just the same in any? wink And in the forehead? And through the bars? But the impact core on the roof is no obstacle.


              It depends on what the goal is. The "Abrams M1A2" has an equivalent thickness in terms of resistance to impact of KS in the frontal projection: turret 1310-1620 mm, hull 970 mm (if we do not take into account the zone of weakened armor). Leopard 2A5 has a 1000 mm turret, 700 mm hull.
              (I am not writing about "Merkava", so as not to provoke discussion of the course of the second Lebanon war, I have absolutely no time for this smile )
              Taking into account the armor penetration of the Kornet-EM cumulative warhead of 1100-1300 mm (this is beyond the DZ), this is a completely solvable task.

              And through the bars?


              Lattices are not a panacea. Yes, there is a chance of destroying warheads, but as they say, fortune, lottery ... And in order not to harbor false hopes, Kornet-EM has realized the possibility of firing two missiles in one beam at one target.
    2. Stiletto_711
      Stiletto_711 1 September 2016 21: 36
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      which vehicle patrols the border ~ 10 km from me

      So I see, the Professor from the roof of the house shoots spike-amid shahidmobili bars across the border, this will be expensive
      button press
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 4 November 2016 20: 52
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        Do not argue with this "professor" he is a typical windbag. He picked up all the rubbish torn from REAL life from the wiki and trumpets here with alleged knowledge. Everything that he wrote about the "Cornet" is complete bullshit. Complexes "fire and forget" in the form they are ALREADY outlived their age against armored vehicles. After equipping armored vehicles with means of the "President" type, "fire and forget" can be safely written off for scrap.
        But the "professor" is not yet aware of these possibilities, and for the developers of "Kornet" THIS IS THE MAIN THING! Can you imagine how many problems the enemy will have when she finds out that ALL of their anti-tank systems are BEZZUBY ?!
  5. Pacifist
    Pacifist 31 August 2016 10: 06
    +1
    Improving combat performance, improving ergonomics, etc. this is wonderful, but judging by the analysis of military operations, we need cheap fencing, returning ammunition with military units for various purposes, like air.
    Barring a couple dozen of such ammunition over the battlefield increases the effectiveness of units at times, and the reaction time to danger is reduced to seconds. Remember, probably about three months ago there was a film shot from a drone when it was visible how a mortar mine flew out of the shadows of the house. So the only thing this drone could do was fix the fact. A retargeting of artillery would take too much time, and if it was a munition ammunition he would only have to give a command to defeat. That's what you need in battles of this type. They can be different and hovering and airplane type, but in the city it is better hovering like a quadrocopter. A couple of kilograms of explosives, in a fragmentation shell, combined with high accuracy and immediate response, will give a greater effect in this situation than a volley of battery.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 4 November 2016 21: 02
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      You were right about loitering. BUT! All these "gimmicks" are very easily PARALIZED either by means of electronic warfare, or BLINDED by laser radiation. After that, they can NOT DO ANYTHING ... So far, NOBODY is PROMOTING these funds, and even more so, USING! BUT! DEVELOP THEIR! And eogda there will be a REAL need to knock down MASSUALLY similar "gadgets" THIS WILL BE DONE!
      1. Pacifist
        Pacifist 8 November 2016 09: 37
        +1
        It would be foolish to argue with that. Yes, electronic warfare must be considered, but the charm of the algorithms for the operation of these ammunition is that they greatly reduce the reaction time, and in the situation I spoke about, serious electronic warfare can not be considered. This is a fight against ISIS and the like, so protecting the channel and duplicating the command line is enough. In these cases, their effectiveness will tend to unity.
  6. senima56
    senima56 31 August 2016 11: 24
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    In any models, systems, installations of our weapons, the "E" index means "Export", i.e. made for export. And these "export" options usually have other, more "modest" characteristics! The author here is confusing something!
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 August 2016 12: 21
    +1
    Here the control scheme is tricky, the missile is cheap without a homing head. Brains are all in the equipment on the machine.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 4 November 2016 21: 22
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      Furthermore! If the equipment is on the machine, and not portable, it has an ADDITIONAL algorithm like "fire and forget". Those. the operator DOES NOT SHOULD keep the target in the crosshair of the sight, for him it does the guidance system computer I will say even more! This computer "illuminates" the target without directing the laser beam at it, but a little higher, so as not to unmask the fact of the attack and ONLY AT THE LAST MOMENT before hitting the target directs the missile to the desired point. Thereby EXCLUDES ANY opportunity to avoid hitting. There are practically NO defense methods against this method of guidance.
  8. Tektor
    Tektor 31 August 2016 13: 01
    +1
    During aiming and shooting, it is desirable to exclude vibration, i.e. the crew should get out of the car if vibration damping means of the guidance station itself were not used, and the car itself should be covered with a disguise, a standard set.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 August 2016 13: 44
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      Did you happen to be invited to the design office?
    2. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 4 November 2016 21: 35
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      If the guidance system is done correctly (and I have no doubt about it). That vibration of the machine body or the device itself does not affect the result due to the stabilization of the laser beam using two rotating mirrors. The time of displacement of the mirrors in two planes at an angle of 45 degrees is about 1 millisecond. And therefore, vibrations less than 1 kHz are easily compensated.
  9. Professor
    Professor 31 August 2016 16: 01
    +1
    The site is buggy. Does not give an answer in the continuation of the discussion. Opens a new comment.

    Zaurbek,
    Well, just, without a core, why can't we get into the roof?

    And how do you make a slide without a seeker?

    But we can use weapons against whom we deem necessary and we can produce as much as we need and also who we need to deliver ....

    No you can not. Sarkozy flew in and the Kremlin immediately changed his mind about hanging Mishiko by the balls. Russian industry lagged behind the West and China, if not forever, then by a generation or 2.
    I hope you haven’t forgotten about the S-300 and the Islamic State of Iran?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 September 2016 14: 53
      +1
      Mishiko was not taken for one place, not because of Sarkozy, it was a test war and looked at the reaction, and at that time the operation was conducted by the 58th army (which had previously fought in Chechnya) with old equipment. I don’t even want to talk about interaction with aviation, it was just a clowning and the same with intelligence. We could run into the entry of Turkish troops and at that time it could end in disrepair.
      About the Roof. Ukrainian ATGM created on the basis of the Soviet ATGM perfectly makes a slide and gets into the roof, do you think there are some technologies used that are not available in the Russian Federation?
      About backwardness: if the modernization of the army does not remain a one-time action, then the backlog will not be critical. Even with the example of this article about Cornet EM. He has high efficiency and automation, armor penetration too. And the presence of KAZ on the tank will protect both from the 2nd and 3rd generation ATGMs ....
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 September 2016 15: 05
        +1
        Mishiko was not taken for one place, not because of Sarkozy, it was a test war and looked at the reaction, and at that time the operation was conducted by the 58th army (which had previously fought in Chechnya) with old equipment. I don’t even want to talk about interaction with aviation, it was just a clowning and the same with intelligence. We could run into the entry of Turkish troops and at that time it could end in disrepair.

        Let's wait for Sarkozy’s memoirs.

        About the Roof. Ukrainian ATGM created on the basis of the Soviet ATGM perfectly makes a slide and gets into the roof, do you think there are some technologies used that are not available in the Russian Federation?

        "makes a great slide and hits the roof"? To do this, you just need either the GOS, or know the distance to the tank with an accuracy of tens of centimeters. Are you able to provide the first or the second? Then you have no problem.

        About backwardness: if the modernization of the army does not remain a one-time action, then the backlog will not be critical. Even with the example of this article about Cornet EM. He has high efficiency and automation, armor penetration too. And the presence of KAZ on the tank will protect both from the 2nd and 3rd generation ATGMs ....

        The lag will only increase from year to year. You have a national holiday launch of the Kyrgyz Republic similar to the one that was launched in the United States during the time of Brezhnev. It is necessary to be friends with the West, then the backlog can be reduced. Catch up and overtake will never work.

        "Efficiency" is still determined only by the words of the developers. No more. "Automation" lags behind third-generation complexes. KAZ is also not a panacea, but it's better when it is. hi
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 September 2016 15: 59
          +1
          Efficiency is when in this case, you have 100 enemy tanks and the right amount of anti-tank systems. You repel their attack. Indicators:
          1. How much did you destroy
          2. with what losses
          3. Can your country produce the right amount of ATGM / or buy from a reliable supplier.

          But the tank itself from the fact that it gets into the 3rd generation or 2nd is still bad.

          I don’t want to get into politics, I don’t like to write much. But we were friends, we did not quarrel, but apparently different countries and peoples have different ideas about friendship.
          1. Professor
            Professor 2 September 2016 16: 47
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            Efficiency is when in this case, you have 100 enemy tanks and the right amount of anti-tank systems. You repel their attack. Indicators:
            1. How much did you destroy
            2. with what losses
            3. Can your country produce the right amount of ATGM / or buy from a reliable supplier.

            No, you're wrong. Otherwise, the most effective anti-tank weapon is an RPG or a hand grenade. wink

            Efficiency is the average amount of ammunition spent on the destruction of one tank.

            But the tank itself from the fact that it gets into the 3rd generation or 2nd is still bad.

            Not equally bad. "Baby" - ATGM of the first generation is unlikely to penetrate the armor


            TOU of the second is likely to break


            The third-generation spike will almost certainly strike.


            I don’t want to get into politics, I don’t like to write much. But we were friends, we did not quarrel, but apparently different countries and peoples have different ideas about friendship.

            I have no idea what you mean, but I don’t discuss politics either. hi
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 10 November 2016 09: 32
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              The tank will destroy both the 2nd generation and the 3rd generation of missiles. It all depends on the shell penetration. Using SPIKE is undeniable in 20% of cases when traditional systems do not work (a tank in a trench, for example) or at a distance. the price of the projectile (mass) also matters ...
        2. alecsis69
          alecsis69 2 September 2016 19: 43
          +1
          What Sarkozy writes is not interesting at all. Think with your head, well, would we take Tbilisi, so what? Following all Georgia to take on the content, and even to the cries of all sides about what kind of Russia is aggressive? You should be good at counting money.
        3. Stiletto_711
          Stiletto_711 2 September 2016 23: 28
          +1
          The lag will only increase from year to year. You have a national holiday launch of the Kyrgyz Republic similar to the one that was launched in the United States during the time of Brezhnev. It is necessary to be friends with the West, then the backlog can be reduced. Catch up and overtake will never work


          Precisely, tell everyone like that, Professor. Then there will be a surprise.

          “By the beginning of the war against Russia, we thought that we could count on the technical superiority of our tanks over the types of Russian tanks known to us at that time, which could to some extent reduce the significant numerical superiority of the Russians known to us.” H. Guderian
          1. Professor
            Professor 3 September 2016 07: 14
            +2
            Precisely, tell everyone like that, Professor. Then there will be a surprise.

            There are no miracles. Lawyers and managers do not make technological breakthroughs.

            It depends on what the goal is. "Abrams M1A2" has an equivalent thickness in terms of resistance to the impact of CS in the frontal projection: tower 1310-1620 mm hull 970 mm (if you do not take into account the zone of weakened booking). At "Leopard 2A5": tower 1000 mm, body 700 mm.
            (I am not writing about "Merkava", so as not to provoke a discussion of the course of the second Lebanon war, I have absolutely no time for this smile)
            Taking into account the armor penetration of the Kornet-EM cumulative warhead 1100-1300 mm (this is for DZ), the problem is completely solved.

            Here I am about that.

            Lattices are not a panacea. Yes, there is a chance of destroying warheads, but as they say, fortune, lottery ... And in order not to harbor false hopes, Kornet-EM has realized the possibility of firing two missiles in one beam at one target.

            The panacea is world peace, and the grilles do an excellent job with ATGMs either destroying it or causing detonation far from the armor, and for a cumulative jet it is like death. To get two ATGMs at one point is like breaking Jack Pot. hi
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 10 November 2016 23: 06
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              about lawyers and managers, you are absolutely right!
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  11. serverny
    serverny 16 January 2017 13: 18
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    With the lack of production of thermal imaging arrays and a modern element base, it is impossible to produce ATGMs of the 3rd generation.

    Bullshit said. The same javelin was developed on the basis of MANPADS, in which the Russian Federation is a leader.
    There is an element base - there is no desire and brains of the customer. As a result, all modern anti-tank systems manufactured by the Russian Federation are designed to war strictly with the Bantustans, who have vehicles without KAZ.